Major Minor Moves of the Off-Season: Brandon Mebane on the Weak Side
Everyone sick of discussing roster moves? I know I am. Everyone ready to talk football? Good lord do I know I am.
Long time readers know I am crazy about Brandon Mebane. Here's a story about Brandon Mebane.
Mebane was a three-tech in college and a good one. He broke in with Seattle by filling in for an overtaking and making expendable Chuck Darby. Darby was a one-tech, but a Tampa 2 style one-tech. He was quick off the line and had active hands and did not anchor very well but did provide pass rush from a position teams rarely wring pass rush from. Mebane was Darby but better in almost every conceivable way. As an added bonus, the bulked-up Mebane proved pretty damn hard to move and so he became a quality anchor too.
What Mebane does is pretty simple: He is quick, strong enough and hard enough to block to force consistent, almost persistent double teams. Unlike most defensive tackles in the NFL, he survives and can even split a double team. Simple but rare and a huge boon for his surrounding teammates. A pass rush is typically four on five. Mebane accounts for two.
Jim Mora moved Mebane back to three-tech. This was described as his "natural position" because he had played it in college. This is where the story gets interesting. Mebane was a three-tech at California and despite his great play at the position, scouts thought he was too slow, too stiff and not explosive enough to play three tech in the pros. And there is some truth to that. Mebane is not Kevin Williams or Jay Ratliff. And as it turned out, Mebane had his worst season as a pro under Mora.
Part of the problem was Mebane's pairing. He was teamed with Cory Redding on the left and Redding was, in many ways, another Brandon Mebane. It was never really clear if Mebane or Redding was supposed to be the playmaker, but neither really turned out to be one. Redding didn't free Mebane and though Mebane did free Redding, Redding was a tackle playing end.
Part of the problem was that Mebane showed the same ability to explode into the backfield and disrupt runs and pressure passes, but as scouts anticipated, he wasn't really what you want in space. Quarterbacks could anticipate and outlet or roll out. Running backs could evade him. All those pre-draft concerns about his closing speed and agility proved correct, kind of.
Pete Carroll has quietly fixed the Mebane dilemma. Mebane is no longer a three tech, necessarily, though he will start most snaps over the three gap. Mebane is now an under tackle and that is a subtle but potentially major change. Whereas before, Mebane was freeing Redding and though Redding was good, he wasn't doing much with the single block and space given, Mebane is now freeing a light, quick, explosive pass rusher.
Mora's front four broke down in two places. As mentioned, neither Mebane nor Redding could take advantage of the single blocks the other provided, but also, and perhaps more importantly, putting Cole at one-tech and typically on the right, meant Seattle's right defensive end was fighting through multiple blockers on most snaps. Patrick Kerney and Darryl Tapp were facing double teams and long edges and chip blocks and all sort of other garbage you do not want your best pass rusher to face.
Carroll has paired Seattle's best defensive lineman and the lineman far and away best able to force a double team with the team's best pass rusher. Check out Chris Clemons schooling Michael Roos. Check out Chris Clemons schooling Bryant McKinnie. What unites both plays? Mebane drawing a double team and isolating the tackle against a quicker, more agile pass rusher. And which game was Clemons most absent? Week three, when Seattle started Craig Terrill at under tackle.
It might seem minor. It certainly has been overlooked. But starting Mebane on the weak side and allowing him to create favorable matchups for the Seahawks Leos will pay dividends all season, and every season for as long as Mebane is a Seahawk.
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If we can whip up enough support I will gladly work as a middle man
but spearheading events is just not something I am good at or really have the time for.
If this gets done you better share Mebane with the rest of us.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
how do these pairings and this altered gap responsibility
aid the Seahawks in run defense? just curio?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZDUh9yboqI
Your culture is primitive; yet so funky!
One side will have Cole, Bryant and Curry will be very difficult to run against
one side will have a soft edge where the Leo plays.
Love the caption and photo.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
When are we gonna be able to buy this guy's jersey already?
Once all the Housh jerseys are off the racks they should have space.
You can also go to the pro-shop by the stadium
And it takes them about a half hour to make whatever jersey you want.
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
I doubt it.
The cheap-o (ha! ‘cheap-o’) jerseys are iron-on, hence the expediency.
The authentic ones are sewed on, so I don’t think they do those. I could be wrong, though.
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
Very informative and
I feel that ol optimism kicking in. Here’s to winning the “slugfest” Sunday.
by broadbill birdwatcher on Sep 7, 2010 3:48 PM PDT reply actions
I was just wondering about all this
Well at least Carroll isn’t Jim Mora. He seems to know how to use talent wisely and who the weak points are. Hard to tell until the season starts, but I like.
This is heartening analysis
And I hope Mebane and Clemons or Brock see some level of success as a pair.
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
San Fran Success
I predict a Clemons tornado on Davis this weekend. Mebane and Clemons should shine against confused rookies on the road.
Fly Leon! Fly!
by BleedGreenandBlue on Sep 7, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually he'll be blocked out by Vernon Davis who will still be able to release into a route and be a threat the whole game.
I consider the 49ers a substantially better team and anticipate a good distance in wins between us & them at the end of this year. As in, 7 wins to their 10-11. But actually I expect this game to be close, and it’s winnable.
Clemons will still mainly be lined up on Staley's side though, right?
Davis will probably chip Clemons a bit then release into his route, but it will be Clemons vs Staley for the most part, correct?
It's not right or left, but strong side and weak side
but the offensive left is typically the weak side.
I was speaking facetiously since we'd seen teams motion the TE to switch strong/weak sides after our Leo lines up on the weak side.
But I don’t know, to be honest. I saw the Leo at 2, 3 & 4 point stances, often nothing different in play from a DE except that the size is supposed to be small — like I can understand going with a talent like Freeney in spite of his size, and I can see favoring speed over size and recognize that mostly they are opposing factors, but if smaller=faster is all that there is to the Leo position, it’s kind of dumb, isn’t it? I mean it’s kind of turning your strategy into your goal — but as a weak side player Leo was lining up against LTs and RTs.
So I still expect him to face Staley more, like you say, but I don’t know for sure because I’m waiting for a regular season game to see if the system is going to be more like a 3-4 in terms of play-calling, who is sent in on pressure, or if it’s going to be like preseason looked: a 4-3 with a small end and a big-ass end.
Strong/Weak
I cant see our coaches not reacting to this. I would think we would game plan around the tight end motioning but thats just me. I know teams are usually set before they motion the tight end but even high school football we would adjust to the strong and weakside on the defense in this case it will be interesting to see what the coaches do during a real game. I a couple of games we would blitz the linebacker right at the tightend and send the faster player inside. The Offensive tackle expects help but the smaller player bolts inside and then the Linebacker catches the Tight end trying to chip and knocks him sideways so he never releases into his route… that said the NFL is far different, with different athletes but I cant believe are coaches are just going to get abused cause we have a smaller end on the weakside, or maybe I am an idiot and the leo is only is successful situationally or you need the right player who can compensate.
Fly Leon! Fly!
by BleedGreenandBlue on Sep 7, 2010 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Linebacker blitz
When they motion the Tight End to the weak side our smaller LEO could be able to cover his route and have the strong side LB blitz the QB
The future is looking better
Zone Blitz
I think I have seen Clemons actually do the Zone Blitz and I am not opposed to it, its creative. I only have one peice of footage in my head so far of Clemons being Juked by Adrian Peterson on his on long run of the game in the pre-season, but what linebacker hasnt been juked by AP
The whole Idea I think behind the Leo is to try and create in inbalance in your favor, if the offense adjusts you have to adjust and audible… You will hear some expletives on my end, if they dont protect clemons when they motion to the Weakside with tightend or run counters/traps
Fly Leon! Fly!
by BleedGreenandBlue on Sep 8, 2010 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions
They'd have to be idiots to not have some kind of coutner measure
I expect them to. Or at least by a game or two into the season if they keep getting gouged by it.
by B.B.Finnegan on Sep 8, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
It'll be cool to see Davis on Davis.
In garbage time if nothing else.
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I wonder...
…if PC has ever visited fieldgulls. Chances are that he will, if he hasn’t already. And I am sure John & Co. never let up knowing that someday, their insight could impact the psyche of the brain-trust of the Front Office. Or maybe thats just me being optimistic. Anyway, keep it up guys, this gets me through my workday…
You need to get one of those facebook apps that automatically post your FB updates to twitter.
I do this for my business, it’s great.
Posting on Field Gulls automatically puts a post up on Twitter and Facebook.
My guess is SBNation’s authoring tool is integrated with both.
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
I hate myself for it but I can't help but look ahead.
Brandon Mebane will be Robert Quinn’s best friend in 2011.
kick ass article
Given that there’s not much of a talent difference on the d-line from last year, I was wondering how Carroll hoped to improve the pass rush.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZDUh9yboqI
Your culture is primitive; yet so funky!
Ummmm....remember when he ran around Minny's line and, uh, tackled Adrian Peterson from behind?
That was cool.
by J.L. White on Sep 7, 2010 4:18 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
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Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
Okay, so I know the paragraph where you lost me...
It was this one:
Pete Carroll has quietly fixed the Mebane dilemma. Mebane is no longer a three tech, necessarily, though he will start most snaps over the three gap. Mebane is now an under tackle and that is a subtle but potentially major change. Whereas before, Mebane was freeing Redding and though Redding was good, he wasn’t doing much with the single block and space given, Mebane is now freeing a light, quick, explosive pass rusher.
Please to be explaining a bit more, because I damn sure thought that 3-technique and under tackle were the same thing. What are the differences in typical alignment for an under (and any subtle variations that Carroll prefers) and a “Tampa style” 3-technique?
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Three refers to the guard's outside shoulder.
It is neither left nor right; strong side nor weak side. Mora played his three on the defensive left, opposite the offensive right and that also typically is the strong side. Quinn wanted a big strong side end, just like this year, and that means Mebane played beside Redding for most of the season.
Mebane isn’t really a three any more. He is an under tackle, and under this sense means opposite the weak side. That means Mebane and Clemons will be playing the same side.
"opposite the weakside"
Do you mean "on the weakside? Because if Clemons is the weakside DE, Mebane should be the weak-side DT.
I know I’m just getting caught up in jargon, but either you said that incorrectly or you have a definition to add to my understanding.
Yeah, it hit me like a brick, a few minutes ago, so I was coming back to correct myself.
Opposite the weak side of the offense, which is what dictates strong and weak anyway.
4 3 over vs 4 3 under
So basically mora ran a 4 3 over and Carroll runs a 4 3 under…nt on strong side in 4 3 under and plays the weak side on the 4 3 over? Plus the under allows the sam/curry play on the Los
by Davis Hsu on Sep 7, 2010 5:53 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Gracious
got it now
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
When you say 3 gap, I think you mean B gap.
Mebane’s lethergic results after switching to 3-tech never made sense. This feels like a small awakening.
The three gap is part of the B gap. Numbered gaps are more precise, because they refer to a gap and a side.
Rec'd
By someone who clearly understands pictures better than words!
Really useful – thanks
Great illustration
How come I never hear of 2 gap or 4 gap, just no reason to sit on the outside shoulder?
Ah, something else I didn't know.
I was in the midst of responding and asking but I see your answer, it just decided to float up there.
Wouldn't it be great
If the FO would offset all this unsettling roster churn with a Mebane extension?!
I can dream!
It is what it is...
by kidder95 on Sep 7, 2010 4:33 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
ideally
that’d be every week ’cept the bye right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZDUh9yboqI
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I hope it's the week we send Hawthorne, Tats, Curry & Davis
to pressure the QB on about 18 snaps. Not all at once, of course (insert John Marshall joke here).
man nothing unites the Seahawks fans
like a good John Marshall rip or a good Largent praise…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZDUh9yboqI
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Regarding this and for anyone that has the game recorded
Listen to Colin Cole rebuff when Moon says Red Bryant should battle to a stalemate. Cole talks about setting the edge. It’s a display of the football intelligence that got him signed. Think it was the Vikings game.
Cole=Brian Russel of the D-line?
7 picks for 7 quarterbacks in Draft 2011! EFF IT!
by Seatown_Sport_Head321 on Sep 8, 2010 1:17 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Cole may be one of the weaker starting DTs in the league, but
BRuss was one of the worst players in the NFL, although he did have that all-world grit.
Does Red Bryant shortening the edge by demanding double teams give more chances to blitz pressure getting home?
Dexter Davis and Aaron Curry allow for drooling when drawing up blitzes but is this even a reasonable hope?
by Joshua Kasparek on Sep 7, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
This move probably saves his career
watching him he just seemed so body awkward at DT at times I felt kinda bad for him. If he succeeds here that would be great for him. It’s a lot easier to see Carroll is trying to work to a players strengths rather than putting what has been a square peg in a hexagon.
by Joshua Kasparek on Sep 7, 2010 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
is that what worked so well on the Lofa blitz against the Vikings?
It’s been so long since I’ve seen a LB run inside the OT and be completely untouched on the way to the quarterback.
by Hancock.Brett on Sep 7, 2010 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions
We seen it all last year
We were just on the offensive side at the time!
The future is looking better
by eohawkfan on Sep 8, 2010 1:23 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm glad this got pointed out.
Both of the plays you mentioned by Clemmons stuck out to me for the very same reason. MeBane! forcing the guard to collapse down gave clemmons the space he needed to outpace the recovery from the tackle. Great post as usual John.
by timlin45 on Sep 7, 2010 5:05 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Maybe, but it takes speed and an outside threat for an inside move like that to work so well.
I’d guess that his outside game is more threatening to a tackle than we’ve noticed so far, and that it’s respect and an overcommitment to that outside that brought us those two inside beauties. Probably both of those pro bowl tackles are good enough to neutralize the outside against him, while exposing themselves for a countermove.
Or he lulled them to sleep with the same move 3 times in a row, and then busted out the inside move. Tough to really know for sure without seeing him out there more.
Thanks
A great article with wonderful insight.
Good to see that Mebane will be unleashed
to fulfill his maximum destruction potential.
It's Great to be a Florida Gator!
Here's hoping this is the offseason that Craig Terrill is finally released.
Where's that guy that said something like, "John Morgan never write positive stories!"???
It's a Casio on a plastic beach
by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Sep 7, 2010 8:07 PM PDT reply actions
Haha, only after he was ripped.
It’s the Jimmy Mora version of football blogging. John = Mare.
(just kidding, duh)
Mebane split doubles twice on goal line stands
…ended up in the backfield and tracked the RB down both times.
I think we saw a lot of plain vanilla during the preseason because no matter what PC said, he was heavy in talent-evaluation and also understands the edge he can have in the first game by showing as little of his hand as possible for Week 1’s opponent to study (anyone else think Hass is throwing to Carlson once a game?).
Great article John! I’m a big Mebane fan too, and after the success he had before Mora took over, I had a major “Oh, shit!” moment when Mora decided to “improve” him by the change you cited. When a young guy like Mebane is kicking butt and taking names, NEVER screw with him!
I’m also amazed at how well Red at end is working out. I knew he was strong and fast and mean, but I didn’t realize how much his length was hurting him inside until I saw him at end. He’s in the backfield on every play, and I still haven’t seen a tackle handle him one-on-one.
Like Schneider said: Bigger, stronger, faster and more talented! Go Hawks!
Simply put: Excellent observation, John.
I hadn’t thought of it that way. I’m glad you pointed it out.
Golden!
I wonder: Does this pairing allow for quicker execution by the linebackers when they are blitzed?
Some people like creative blitzes, but I find that I don’t care for it so much as I care for well-executed blitzes.
Golden!
Mebane is honestly one of the few players
I’d be upset with if they traded.
Punks jump up to get beat down.
ummm
Trufant anyone?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZDUh9yboqI
Your culture is primitive; yet so funky!
by jubelthebear on Sep 7, 2010 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Tru , Tats , Carlson and ...
Really that’s about it.
Tru and Tats are kind of on a short list for me though they’ve had a few down years due to injury and if they keep that up my list may shorten.
Punks jump up to get beat down.
Okung or Earl Thomas?
I’d be pissed if they traded them because then I’d realize they “trading everybody up in here”, not just guys from the last few regimes, but there own.
I think I stole the bed intruder quote from a prevous commenter
It was a few days ago and was so brilliant I thought it to be my own. Thanks for loaning it.
My goodness. I hope they make it a priority to re-sign Mebane.
Guy is just too good to let walk. If Clemons or Brock have any success, it should be attributed to Mebane’s performance.
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
One of the best posts I've read
John, thanks for this write-up. This might be the best example I’ve seen of your ability to pair Seahawks love with Football 101. Actually, this might be upper-division. It’s really helpful, as have been your frequent explanations of things, in passing, such as the way language has to shift when talking about distinct offensive or defensive schemes—to wit, the need for different terminology to describe line positions when switching from 3-4 to 4-3.
So I was wondering, can you recommend one or more good books that really talk X’s and O’s in an analytical way? Preferably something that gives some context, too, about the genealogy, if you will, of plays, positions, and offensive and defensive schemes. If not, there’s a good candidate for your next book. And by the way, folks, Everett Public Library will soon be carrying four copies of John’s book. By all means, buy your own, too.

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