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Hey everybody...This is Fooch from Niners Nation. Over the last couple years our sites have certainly had their fair share of interesting discussions and general trash talking in regards to our two annual matchups. The 49ers and Seahawks have developed an interesting little rivalry and I think we all enjoy it.
Now that the 2010 season is upon us, I wanted to open up a FanShot for some discussion of the game. This thread is more for the intelligent discourse as opposed to the always entertaining trash talk threads. Since the season is just getting started, both teams have plenty of issues of which opposing fans may not be entirely aware. Given that, I wanted to open the floor to any questions you all might have about the 2010 San Francisco 49ers. It's been a rather busy offseason for the 49ers with a mix of changes and continuity.
The 49ers have become a popular pick to win the division, but they still have plenty of issues to be resolved. The QB position is set at this point, although that doesn't necessarily mean it is solidly set. Alex Smith is in the final year of his contract and still has plenty to prove. The 49ers overhauled their offensive line this offseason with a pair of first round picks. Additionally, starting center Eric Heitmann is out with a broken leg for a few more weeks, and so the team has former second round pick David Baas moving over to center for the first time since college. He's performed well, but this first game at your incredibly loud stadium will be a big test for the entire offensive line.
The defense has some question marks as well but is arguably in a much stronger position and will be key to the 49ers chances of winning the division.
On an unrelated note, I'll actually be up in Seattle for the game, so I'm excited for my first game at Qwest Field in what should be a crazy environment.
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Thanks for taking the time to make a fanpost
Have you noticed a lot arrogance on the side of your fellow 49ers fans. I mostly lurk here and I rarely find my way to your site but I do like to check it out from time to time for an opposing view and quite often when I go over there it seems as if quite a few fans think the division is theirs. I have seen comments such as they are hoping at least one of the other teams is over .500 so the division doesn’t appear to be so bad. For the fans of a team that hasn’t finished over .500 since 2002 to have this kind of confidence is surprising. I definitely don’t go over there all that often (maybe once a week for a few minutes) but is this the general feel you get over there from your fellow fans?
Isn't this trash talk? Politely formulated but still :P
by Thomas Beekers on Sep 8, 2010 1:59 AM PDT up reply actions
It sort of is.
But I didn’t mean it that way.
I tried to think of ways to put it where it wasn’t but it was hard for me to do that without mentioning they haven’t been over .500 in quite awhile. I basically just wanted to know if he noticed that fans on his site thought they had it in the bag before the season even started since I have gotten that impression the very few times I have gone over there recently.
trash talk
It would probably qualify a little as trash talk, but given the fact that most folks are picking the 49ers to win the division, I think it’s a good question at the same time.
I do think 49ers fans are excited about this year’s team, but I also think a lot of times remain a bit concerned about some of the team’s question marks. The team has struggled so much the last 8 or so years that a lot of fans aren’t quite ready to crown them. But we’re certainly close!
by David Fucillo on Sep 8, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
To be fair, everyone who's not a fan of another NFC West team is pretty much on the 49ers bandwagon.
There’s naysayers, like Football Outsiders, but mostly, it’s just easy to buy into the hype. It’s easy to feel good about the team we’ve got. Look at the roster turnover with the Seahawks. I do understand that there are still many key players sticking around but there’s, what, 27 new players on the roster? It’s hard to tell if they’ll be good. The Cardinals have lost an awful lot of leverage with fate, and the Rams are honestly scaring me more than either the Cards or the Hawks, based solely on the future.
I wouldn’t say thinking the division is our’s is really “arrogant,” so much. Confidence and arrogance are two entirely different things. If a phrase like “We’ll stomp the Seahawks, the division is ours,” comes up – well – that’s just divisional rival talk right there.
Lastly, I don’t think 49ers fans were the first to think the division was their’s. Even the most intense of naysayers have seen significant turnover after all of the media hype in our general direction.
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Yes, but it's the NFC West
The Seahawks still nabbed it when we were clearly in decline until the Cards finally challenged us for it. I absolutely hate it, I’d rather be in a tough division and win by being really good, but there’s no denying the NFC West is the weakest (AFC West caught up to it by now). So opinion do differ in the 49ers just being “that team” to back itself into the playoffs and go one-and-out, or a legitimate contender. Hype or no, you won’t see many media outlets claim the latter.
‘course, it’s the playoffs, anything can happen.
by Thomas Beekers on Sep 8, 2010 2:06 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think you'll see many 49ers fans claim the latter.
In fact, I haven’t seen a single one that wasn’t in jest. It always seems to be “Let’s see what happens once we get there.”
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I agree with this
I would rather have a tough division as well. Of course given the choice between losing a tough division and winning a weak division I think any fan would take the latter. I guess I like a tough division as long as my team is on top of that tough division. heh
You disagree that the 49ers are the favorites to win the division?
They are the most talented….
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Sep 10, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Hey Fooch
Can’t say I watched too much Niners in the pre-season. Did you guys keep the same line around throughout or has it been in flux? After the draft, I mostly expected the line to increase in leaps and bounds in run-blocking, but not so much in pass-blocking. How’s it looked?
Troy Smith is better than Nate Davis. Agreed/disagreed?
How’s your special teams look?
Well, assuming this isn't solely for Fooch ...
The line was cohesive throughout the preseason. The most shuffling occurred at center, where Eric Heitmann was injured. Still, it was pretty definitively David Baas as the starter. The rookies won the starting jobs early on, and played the majority of all games. They’d go in for a half, sit a few plays out, then mix back in and out. The run blocking has looked solid and the pass blocking has looked vastly improved over last year.
Troy Smith.
Special teams punting is great. Kicking is a slight worry with Nedney’s age. Returning looks to be a strength on both units. Coverage was good in preseason, but some of the core guys (ie Robinson) were cut, so the verdict is out on that front.
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Quick note ...
… that the pass blocking is far from perfect. It’s just that “vastly improved,” can still apply without it being perfect.
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offensive line
Ninjames answered the first one pretty well. The rookies won their jobs the first week of training camp in part b/c they’re first round picks, and in part because the opposition talent wasn’t all that great. Throw in David Baas moving over to center and it opened up both positions pretty well. Baas has been at center since the first week and seems to be grasping things fairly well at this point. It’s going to have its hiccups and I look forward to seeing how they handle the noise on Sunday at Qwest given the near legendary status of the crowd noise.
Troy Smith is better now in terms of being an emergency QB. I think Nate Davis is more talented than Smith and if Davis could get his work ethic and the mental stuff together, I don’t think there’s any doubt he’d be better than Troy Smith long term. For purposes of this season, I think Smith is a better emergency QB.
Lot of changes on special teams (outside of punter and kicker). The team traded for Ted Ginn to be the kick returner and 3rd WR. Ginn hasn’t had many opportunities to return but he’s certainly got the speed. The punt returner week 1 will likely be Phillip Adams, with Kyle Williams competing for the job once he’s 100%. They’ve lost guys like Scott McKillop (injury) and Michael Robinson (now a Seahawk) and both were key on special teams units so it will be interesting to see how the unit responds with all the changes.
by David Fucillo on Sep 8, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
2010 draftees
How has Taylor Mays looked in training camp? Is he the starter or is just going to be part of the mix.
How about the two first round lineman? Have they adjusted well so far and what are your expectations of them.
Mays isn't starting yet
He’s looked very good in training camp though. The biggest positive is that he is working harder than just about everyone, putting in extra time, bugging coaches with questions ect. Very coachable. I imagine they’ll work him in here and there but won’t start him for a while. Davis and Iuipati have looked good, particularly Iuipati. They struggled a little in the first preseason game but improved dramatically as they got more playing time and Iuipati is a beast with run blocking. Davis has trouble with speed rushers but seems to be getting better. The big question of course is how many false start penalties they’ll have at quest due to the noise.
Mays is the No.4 safety
There’s too much talent in front of him right now.
Maybe next season when Michael Lewis and Dashon Goldson are both free agents.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Sep 10, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Do you feel any presure to win on Sunday?
The Seahawks could not have served it up any better for a win for the Niners. What would happen to your peers if they were somehow to give this game away? Would all of that confidence still be there?
I feel like we need to win on Sunday
to establish the tone for the season. I think it’s the same as last year in that if we play as good as we have shown we can play, if we really execute and don’t make stupid mistakes…it could get ugly. That is, of course, the thing that every team tries to do…play their game and not shoot themselves in the foot.
We have a 4 game stretch that includes 3 road games and the home game is Monday night against New Orleans. So any win early on that we can get is definitely a huge plus.
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First games of the season rarely set the tone for the season, and most would be foolish to believe that.
Golden!
by Carl Shinyama on Sep 8, 2010 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions
says the fan of the team desperately hoping the new HC wont run them into the ground
so you’d be cool with a good drubbing?
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You keep using this word "pedestal".
I do not think it means what you think it means.
As for drubbings, we’ve had our share and we’ll live should the sun shine on the 49er dog’s ass this Sunday. What goes around, comes around.
inside of a dog it's too dark to read.
Oh, I know what it means
and I know this team has tripped and fallen in the past despite having the pieces in place…
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I think results of game 1 do slightly more often than 1st games, though, if that makes any sense.
A win or a loss would likely not set much of a tone, for us. A win for the 9ers would be par for the course and not mean much. A loss to us would indicate they need to work on things, and sets them up for a pretty slow start; the next easy-ish team for them is in October, the Raiders, and if they can’t beat us, the possibly better Raiders might also give them trouble, right?
I agree with you on your point, but I think a loss for the49ers would be one of the cases where, with the expectations, a loss to a team like us would have significance.
by jacobstevens on Sep 9, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
How's Anthony Davis been playing at RT?
We’ve got Red Bryant on that side, and he’s been a handful for RTs this pre-season. He’s been able to regularly get into the backfield, string runs wide, etc.
I’m starting to think he might be the key to pressuring the QB, rather than Clemons vs. Staley.
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
he's going to give up some pressure
that’s a given. He’s learning. He has been beat by speed rushes on the outside though he’s improving. I suspect a back will chip to help him on passing downs. Alex has been doing very well on sensing pressure and stepping up, still making a good play. So here’s hoping that continues.
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Another interesting point to consider regarding Davis ...
He is only 20 years old! Youngest starting OL for the Niners, ever.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Sep 8, 2010 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Pretty incredible.
And I thought Early Thomas was young!
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
I don't think the Bryant-Davis matchup is suited to us.
I don’t think Red has the qualities to really take advantage of Davis’ scouted weaknesses, but this is his first real pro action, and the only other DE with Red’s size is Haloti Ngata. So maybe it will be a rude awakening, but otherwise I expect the true story of how each guy will perform in 2010 will be answered in the subsequent 15 games.
by jacobstevens on Sep 8, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Davis struggles against speed rush to the edge
thus far. If he get’s his hands on you, he’s pretty good though.
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Ha!
Is he really, though? I mean, really? How many NFL running backs would you take before Julius Jones? (please, people, do not actually attempt to answer this question)
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by Eegah on Sep 8, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
He's not an average starting running back
Average RB overall, yes.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Sep 10, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm guessing Hawks' and 9ers' fans aren't awake yet
west coasters…these sorts of posts usually have about 200 comments in them very soon after being posted.
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I can't wait to see Taylor Mays get worked like a bitch.
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 8, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
he wont be in the game much
but when he is I don’t think he’ll get beat too badly. He’s spent the most time at the facility of anyone this off-season working on film and technique. By the way, I’d go with the extra chinstraps and flack jackets Sunday…
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you won't get to.
he’s our #4 safety right now.
the good news (for you) is that Michael Lewis is still starting for us, so you will get to see one of our safeties get worked like a bitch anyway.
When life gives you fruit, add a bunch of sugar to it.
lol
He’ll only be on special teams.
Your boy Earl Thomas though….
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Sep 10, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
keep running over people in the run game
and next man up at QB. This team isn’t built around a QB, rather he’s just a part of the thing.
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So you plan to hand off to
Crabtree, VD?
by Spin Forever on Sep 8, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
no, no, no
Gore, Westbrook, Dixon…Following Iupati is a sure-fire way to gain yards.
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i would love to see
an end-around to VD.
dude runs a 4.38
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QB
That’s a tough call at this point. Smith is signed through this season so it’s possible he could be gone even if he’s successful (although I think he’d re-sign). But if he struggles, I could see the team going after a veteran initially to compete with David Carr (signed to a 2-year deal) and either hope for progress from Nate Davis or draft another QB next April.
But I partially agree with Tre9er in that this is a team that doesn’t need a super start QB. Obviously someone has to be able to throw the ball, but with the talent at receiver, the strong running game and an improving defense, the QB doesn’t have to carry the day.
by David Fucillo on Sep 8, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Andrew Luck.
we have 10 tradeable draft picks next year.
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Again?
When did he regress the first time?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Sep 10, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
i personally thought
he got worse as 2006 wore on.
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by these3words on Sep 10, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I just wish I could watch this game
in any way other than a shitty, lagging, 10 minute behind broadcast, internet stream…
I for one, welcome our new gold-panning overlords
Whose hopes of a playoff run depend entirely on the amount of responsibility they must place on a question-mark riddled quarterback, a la Mark Sanchez. Because the San Fransisco defense is comparable to the Jets’… right? …… Right?
by Anticitizen_One on Sep 8, 2010 11:05 AM PDT reply actions
no, you're right
we’re better
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all 11 guys were actually already inducted into the HOF
just yesterday
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The Jets...SMH
O-V-E-R-R-A-T-E-D
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LOL
I remember last year, when all I heard from the Hawks fans was taunting about our 1st round bust named Vernon Davis… I think you all know how that turned out. I’m pretty sure Alex Smith will be the answer to those question marks you have there…
by mr. instigator on Sep 8, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
QB
I would actually say the 49ers defense could be as good or better than the Jets defense. Obviously I’m not 100% convinced of this, but I feel the 49ers defense could be excellent this year.
I also don’t think Alex Smith needs to be a great QB for this team to be solid and a potential playoff run does not depend entirely on Smith. Offensively, it depends on whether the offensive line can mesh, whether Frank Gore can avoid getting too nicked up (and if he does whether Westbrook/Dixon can provide some punch), whether Crabtree takes the next step in his development, and whether Vernon Davis can provide consistency to go with his clear talent. That’s several “whethers” but I think several of those will be answered positively.
by David Fucillo on Sep 8, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
You're right, I don't think Smith has to be great for the 49ers to secure the division
I was instead suggesting that it may turn into the same situation the Jets were in last year. The QB is not very good, but give him the least amount things to screw up, and a solid defense and run game can carry the day.
by Anticitizen_One on Sep 8, 2010 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Smith
I think Smith is much further along than Sanchez last season. Smith is in a unique situation for him (consistency in the offense for a second straight year) and I think it will show in his performance. Again, I don’t think he’ll be a superstar, but I do think he can be a very solid QB for this team.
by David Fucillo on Sep 8, 2010 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Alex was better than Sanchez last year
And I think the 49ers defense is better than the Jets.
49ers have more talent.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Sep 10, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
How are Hass' ribs?
Any chance you can baste them with some BBQ before the game? Pretty sure P-52 likes a molasses based sauce if you have any.
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Sure they are tasty. Nice and tender.
Maybe it will give P-52 something to occupy him, take his mind off of things, while someone else backs into the playoffs…..again. Like a pacifier.
sounds good
I think Bowman is more ready than they let on anyways.
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Nah
Willis is from Tennessee. He likes a good Memphis Rub…
by mr. instigator on Sep 8, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Ribs are good.
Seems very recovered from that injury last year. Of course, things can change in a split second.
Golden!
by Carl Shinyama on Sep 8, 2010 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions
[drops match, runs away (for now)]
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Oh I'd already forgotten about Heitmann's broken leg, what a blow.
OK so what’s your starting 5 look like, then? Staley Iupati Baas Rachal Davis? Or are the guards switched?
To sum up my thoughts of this game, I consider you guys substantially better than us, but the match up makes it a fairly even game. There are very many ways for us to fail (no running, starting slow, no pass rush, QB issues (arm strength, INTs)), but I won’t be surprised at any outcome. Unless we stomp you into the ground, that would be a genuine shocker.
no, you got it
I’d say the right side is weakest in pass protection but the whole line is stout in the run game. Still I think the line is much better than it was at just about any point in 2009.
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So then if we put Red & Cole on your offensive left and Mebane & Clemons on your offensive right,
that could really give you guys trouble. Having the three 300 pounders all in a row on your offensive left could keep the lanes open for Milloy & the LBs to shoot the gaps and make the tackles. Especially because Baas will probably double up with Rachal against Mebane quite a bit. Iupati beats Cole every time, I guarantee, but Cole’s one value, in strength holding the point, can still keep blockers off the LBs, and Red is a 2-gap end.
Then Mebane and Clemons/Davis, our best rushers, best penetrators, against Rachal, Davis & Davis, gives our anemic pass rush a bit more hope.
So this is actually a matchup I really like. But honesty I have no idea if our coaches will line our guys up this way or not.
by jacobstevens on Sep 8, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
don't forget
we have Smith-Power!
Justin Smith, Alex Smith, Reggie Smith, Troy Smith
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Was seeing a genital theme
But yeah, the smiths too . . .
by Spin Forever on Sep 8, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Our Davis power just just reduced
I wonder if when they were thinking about cutting Nate Davis they decided that if they did, they needed to replace him with a Smith.
yes
there is a phenomenon in the universe regarding how many people you have with the same last names…and also how many Pacific Islanders you have.
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Johnsons, Andersons, Joneses
there are a lot of sacrifices you have to make to get the proper amount of Smiths and Davises.
When life gives you fruit, add a bunch of sugar to it.
There's a few things I'm curious about.
I’ve heard people make a big deal out of Alex Smith’s comfort in operating out of the shotgun and the coaching staffs belief that Gore can’t run out of the shotgun, is this completely overblown, or is there any truth to this?
Also, it seemed to me that Singletary kind of got stuck with Jimmy Raye after his first few choices turned down the job. I’m guessing part of this being due to Singletary’s lack of coaching experience, and maybe a lack of connections. If he has another solid year as a coach, I would have to think that the OC position with the 49ers would have to become a pretty desirable position given the talent on the team, and the relative security of Singletary’s job. How secure do you think Jimmy Raye’s job is? Do you think as long as Alex Smith is playing well, the 49ers will be stuck with the same offense for fear of putting Smith through another change? Or are you guys warming up to JRII’s system?
by Mind of no mind on Sep 8, 2010 10:22 PM PDT reply actions
Alex Smith
Smith showed a lot of comfort in the shotgun thanks to his days in the spread offense at Utah. Gore seems to think he runs better with a fullback in front of him out of the I-formation. I don’t know if it’s overblown but I’d suspect the team will mix in some shotgun while sticking mostly with more “traditional” offensive formations (I, single-back, etc).
The Jimmy Raye offense has had its ups and downs. It will be interesting to see how the team operates in year 2 of the offense. This is the first OC to stick around more than one year so 49ers fans are really hopefully it leads to good results.
Long term, many think QB coach Mike Johnson is the eventual successor since Jimmy Raye isn’t exactly a young pup anymore. If Smith plays well in the system and the 49ers have success on the field, it would seem like the team would want to stick with what works. And if Mike Johnson is in fact the heir apparent to Jimmy Raye, one would hopefully see less of a transition problem for Smith and the rest of the offense.
At this point, while some folks are down on Raye’s offense, I’m going to withhold judgment at this point.
by David Fucillo on Sep 8, 2010 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Fooch covered most of it
but I’d add that Smith played out of the ’Gun more last year because it was familiar to him, like riding a bike. We needed him to be comfortable and bring us back from deficits and keep us in games at times and the ’Gun was what he knew. Gore is a good runner, it was the O-Line that held him back, not completely whether it was the ’gun or pro-formations.
Alex has had another year to practice snaps from under center and we’ve seen mostly pro-sets in preseason other than 3rd down.
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Raye
He’s got good plays, but his selections seem to come at the wrong time. He seems to be most uncreative when we really need a 1st down (4-minute drill) and early on in games. I hope that Johnson can start getting more input into play calling, maybe Raye can stay on as a consultant but MJ can start calling the plays.
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well i'm not warming up to his system.
i can’t stand such boring play calling. it makes the games so much less exciting.
if it worked well then i would live with it, but our offense wasn’t very good last year.
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