Free Agent Robert Gallery
Tom Cable and Robert Gallery have a strong working relationship and word on the street is that the two would like to reunite in Seattle. Woo hoo, right? Maybe. Free agents are a mixed bag. Tim Ruskell had a habit of signing past their prime free agents to expensive contracts: Patrick Kerney, Julian Peterson, Joe Jurevicius, Nate Burleson, Deon Grant, Deion Branch, T.J. Houshmandzadeh, Andre Dyson, Mike Wahle, Jamie Sharper. Most of those players were nearing or past thirty. Some had extensive injury histories. Most contributed but few contributed for more than a year or two. Many became hindrances before retiring, being cut or traded.
So what's the story with Gallery? Well he's thirty and turns 31 in July. So that's a black mark. Gallery missed time with a hamstring injury in 2010 and missed time with a broken fibula in 2009. Neither injury concerns me too terribly much, but he did miss time, the hamstring injury could recur, and so that should be factored into his contract. He cost between 2.6 and 6.8 million against the cap from 2004 to 2009. That's pricey and I would hope Seattle could sign him for less. Gallery is a guard, which might help his longevity, but though guards peak late and can maintain a high level of play into their mid-thirties, it's not guaranteed.
Gallery is quick, athletic and huge. Speed helps stave off decline and size defies decline. After busting as a left tackle, Cable moved him to left guard and revived his career. Gallery has been a guard since 2007, and in that time has developed a reputation as an under appreciated talent. The Raiders are underrepresented in my library of game tape. I have only three games from this season. If Seattle does sign Gallery, we can do a more thorough breakdown, but I wanted to give him a quick look and provide a quick and dirty scouting report. So I watched him work against Colin Cole, Kentwan Balmer and the Seattle Seahawks in week 11. That should be a pretty easy matchup and one we could expect Gallery to succeed against.
First thing I notice is Gallery is quick off the snap. That's pretty much essential. Despite his height, he keeps a good pad level. He had little trouble getting under and standing up Balmer, but also was able to win leverage against Craig Terrill and Cole. He doesn't, however, show a lot of power as a drive blocker. Both Terrill and Cole battled him to a standstill, and that's not flattering. He also seems to struggle some with his hand fighting, and I expect him to lose some blocks, allow some interior pressure and/or be forced to hold. But he's not a bad pass blocker and he doesn't get driven back. It's just not a standout ability. Gallery also seems to end up on the turf quite a bit. Not sure what that's about.
What makes Gallery interesting is his ability to block on the move. He moves very well and, more importantly, squares and strikes with authority when blocking in space. He does a good job of running to and intersecting his assignment, but he also does a good job looking for people to block and staying active. For lack of a better way to put it, Gallery is pretty nasty. He plays to the whistle, blindsides defenders, and displays the hustle, fire and aggression of a great run blocker. From a more nuts and bolts perspective, Gallery is prompt moving into the second level and doesn't lag like say Max Unger. He reach blocks and combo blocks well. And he doesn't lose many blocks once he's locked in on the second level.
Seattle needs talent at guard, and if it wants to improve its ability to run the ball and potentially wants to build its offense through running the ball, Gallery could contribute towards that cause. There's reason for reservation, too. He's at the brink of old, even for a guard. There's some injury history. He doesn't look like a superstar talent, and free agency tends to force teams to overspend. But as long as the contract is reasonable, signing Gallery could mean adding a quality player at a position of maximum need.
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Totally agree about the age and injury issues being black marks
I don’t think Gallery should get a giant contract from the Hawks, but I do think he could competently man the position for a few years and help instill some nastiness in the line. I’m pretty skeptical about players “mentoring” their backups/successors, but I’m hoping that a little bit of Gallery’s nastiness can rub off on the guys on either side of him.
How has Pete Carroll failed you today?
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Jan 25, 2011 1:36 PM PST reply actions
That too
How has Pete Carroll failed you today?
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Jan 25, 2011 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
I'd say yes if it weren't for
the comment about Gallery falling down a lot. Does Okung really need another guy falling on his ankles?
by Groundhog on Jan 25, 2011 1:38 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
This comment made me get sick to my stomach.
"Retarded isn't a race." -Thingray
by Matt Erickson on Jan 25, 2011 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
My only concern (other than $$$) is that part where you mentioned he hits the ground a lot
We have a guy at LT who had an issue with teammates/lesser mortals rolling into his ankles. Kinda don’t want a repeat problem.
Earl Thomas = God-send
God you guys suck
My stomach can’t handle this.
"Retarded isn't a race." -Thingray
by Matt Erickson on Jan 25, 2011 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
remember when Shaun Livingston snapped his leg playing for the clippers I bout lost my cookies seeing that.
Just thought about that my bad.
Napoleon McCallum, Oakland Raiders.
Theisman’s leg break is about a 4 in a 1-10 scale comparison for gruesome MNF injury.
"Life does not cease to be funny when people die, anymore than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 25, 2011 5:32 PM PST up reply actions
I was watching when it happened. gnarly.
and here it is for you. He almost had to get it amputated.
"Life does not cease to be funny when people die, anymore than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 25, 2011 5:34 PM PST up reply actions
Trying really hard not to watch that clip.
WANNA WATCH IT… but cannot handle broken bones.
well... if it helps you to see that which cannot be unseen...
I’m not entirely sure that it is “bones” that get broken… more like, well… what’s the term?
KNEE that gets broken.
"Life does not cease to be funny when people die, anymore than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 26, 2011 3:33 AM PST up reply actions
I'm good with a 3 year contract.
Front load it, so if he does wear down in his year 33/34 season, we can let him walk cheap. He would provide an instant boost to our OL, and since I’m resigned to the re-sign, might as well put a solid line in front of the corpse of Hasselbeck.
"Life does not cease to be funny when people die, anymore than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 25, 2011 2:29 PM PST reply actions
Your math is wrong
He’ll be 31 during the 2011 season and would be a FA at 33 if he signed a 3-year deal. OGs can play pretty competently at that age, so we might be stuck with a guy thats playing well AND a FA AND about to decline just as he’s signing a new contract. I think we should sign him to a front-loaded 5-year deal so that we can have the luxury of cutting him or keeping him after 3 years (instead of worrying about re-signing an old guy thats playing well for us).
The thing about NFL contracts is that they’re mostly fluff and you really need to sign a guy for a couple more years than you’re planning to keep him around (if nothing else than for the benefit of the player and agent being able to brag about the big numbers).
How has Pete Carroll failed you today?
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Jan 25, 2011 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
You sure?
If he would be 31 prior to the 2011 season then he would be 32 at the end of 2011, 33 at the end of 2012, and 34 at the end of 2013, wouldn’t that make him 34 at the end of a potential 3 year deal?
Robert Gallery was born July 26th, 1980
If we sign him this year to a 3-year contract, he’ll finish the contract in February 2014 at the age of 33 year and ~7 months.
How has Pete Carroll failed you today?
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Jan 25, 2011 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
I see...
and 34 years old that summer as a FA. Just depends on how you look at it. I’m convinced we could use Gallery big time but depends on the price I guess.
You've been playing too much Madden.
"Life does not cease to be funny when people die, anymore than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 30, 2011 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
His birthday is July 26, 1980.
So he’ll be 31 for the entirety of the 2011 season, 32 for the 2012 season and 33 for the 2013 season.
Well, regardless....
my point remains the same.
Front load the contract, cut him if he declines.
"Life does not cease to be funny when people die, anymore than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 25, 2011 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
I hope it happens
I have no faith in anyone on the roster being an above average LG ever, including Unger. I think talent-wise, Gallery is much better than any of them. It would obviously suck if he fell on Okung’s ankles, but im not sure that really sways me against him.
He just seems like a good fit.
Any chance he'd get a shot at right tackle
Either in Seattle or elsewhere?
Why mess with success?
If Gallery comes to Seattle, he’ll play the same position he did under his former and current coach. Getting a new Right Tackle isn’t THAT hard; better to find someone who has been playing the position recently.
I think you gotta bring Gallery on board.
He is without a doubt getting older and may cost a bit but if he doesn’t break the bank then why not? He’s gonna show Okung some valuable dirty tricks and perform and play hard everytime he’s on the field. Plus he’s intimidating with a gang of cool tats and wild hair. He would fit and impact positively right away with Cable on the sideline. We need to get more intimidating as a whole and not be a looked at as “we, are playing Seattle Sunday, lets just blitz the hell out of em’!”
Because tackles make more money than guards
I was just wondering whether anyone thought he might fit at right tackle (again, with either Seattle or another team) since he was originally drafted as a (left) tackle. It could affect his value on the open market, etc.
He's played some right tackle (2004 and 2005)
Gallery’s a guard now. You never know, but it’s very, very unlikely he’s ever shifted back to tackle.
Well
He was a bust at LT not sure how he would be at RT. But like someone said, why mess with success.
What about the other F.A. Raider linemen,
Mario Henderson and Khalif Barnes, is there any talk of Cable luring them over? Barnes played for UW, he might be interested. We need depth, and there are definitely some Hawk tackles who need firing.
Obviously I'd rather have Gallery
but I’d rather have all three.
I haven't seen much of him in action
But I would lean towards yes. As far as age and possible decline goes, I’d feel much better about signing a ~30 year old guard than I would a like-aged WR or QB. Having twinkle toes doesn’t really mean as much on the line as in a skill position. Declining reflexes don’t matter as much, since on the offense he doesn’t have to worry about reacting to the count.
But teams need linemen, and from what everyone’s saying about him, Gallery could be expensive, even with lobbying from his old coach. I don’t think he’ll bust, per se, but I worry about him playing up to whatever dollar amount we sign him to. I don’t know what kind of guards there are on the draft board, but it might be cheaper to draft one for long-term sake if we’re looking to construct a O-line dynasty.
Well, chew on this:
“He cost between 2.6 and 6.8 million against the cap from 2004 to 2009. That’s pricey and I would hope Seattle could sign him for less.”
Hasselbeck’s return will likely cost between 6.8 and 12 million per year.
Expensive is relative.
"Life does not cease to be funny when people die, anymore than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 26, 2011 7:26 AM PST up reply actions
but relative to their positions,
2.6-6.8 for a G might be more expensive than 7-12 for a QB, if the QB wasnt Matt Hasslebeck. Where’d you get the numbers for Hasslebeck? I’m for bringing him back, but 7m would be hard to justify.
Our line needs a big shot in the arm, and Gallery knows Cable’s system and excelled in it This year. It would be great if we can talk him down, but if he can jumpstart our rungame and it looks like he can, the price might be worth it. 31 is a fine age for a guard.
Delhomme got 7 mil last year, and he was worse than Hasselbeck prior, and there really wasn't a market for him.
It’s just my estimate, but given his experience and past salary, he isn’t going to go for less. He’s going to want to start, so that means starter money. He’ll have between 2 and 5 teams interested. That will drive up the price in terms of years/yearly cost/guaranteed money.
"Life does not cease to be funny when people die, anymore than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 26, 2011 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
Oh man
so it might even take more. I wouldnt mind a longer contract if it wasn’t guaranteed, or a guarantee on a 2-year contract, but anything more would be uncivilized. And a longer, non-guaranteed contract would prob call for an even higher base? If it’s even possible. Oh man.
And so I don't misrepresent
myself, 2 years at a Guaranteed 7 mil per = I’d be ok with walking away from that, that would be a real gamble.
What does all this shuffling do
To affect the zone blocking scheme?? Thus far we’ve seen exactly how and why zone blocking fails…. I suppose what I’m really asking is what is the advantage of running a zone blocking system other than you can acquire appropriate talent without wasting high draft picks? The cohesion necessary to execute a good zone blocking scheme is something that requires starters STAYING starters and not playing musical chairs with injuries, poor performance, etc. Why not just get 5 maulers who beast their way through a D line in a man on man basis? Seems to me that the trenches should be less about finesse and more about savagery… Cable runs a ZBS so I suppose we’re in for more of the same….? I’m really just thinking out loud. Anyone else daydream about having a power blocking system while watching our O line fail at establishing run lanes all season? Regardless, and as always, GO HAWKS.
by Brendan O'Leary on Jan 26, 2011 9:56 AM PST reply actions
I also am wont to switch to a mauler-based o-line after our continual feeble failure of the past few years with ZBS
…then I grudgingly admit that scheme rarely triumphs over talent, and that most of our linemen have flat-out sucked with the exception of Spencer, Okung, and, at times, Sims, and that continuity probably matters a great deal. But nevertheless, I am ready for some changes.
Hopefully Cable can make the ZBS work and we acquire some more size, athleticism and talent. I am tired of watching our linemen bulled, rag-dolled, tossed-aside and swam past; watching opposing defenses live in our backfield, our RBs getting hit behind the line of scrimmage roughly at the same time as receiving the handoff and the overwhelming dread and despair of 3rd (or 4th) and short.
I’d love to see what JForce can do with a hole here and there, and with the ball in space.
'and the overwhelming dread and despair of 3rd (or 4th) and short'
that one got a laugh.
I want a mauler line too. Force could be an asset, I’m excited to see what the new OC can do with him. And we could pound it with Lynch, and not for stuffs and 2-yarders.
Ok....
So here is my take first left to right:
LT Okung
LG Mike Pouncey G Florida 1st round Pick
C Unger
RG Gallery
RT Danny Watkins OT Baylor 2nd Round pick
Now clearly for this to happen Seattle needs to be very active in Free Agency like getting Gallery, Seymour or Ngata, and Asomugha, and Quintin Mikell. Maybe Sidney Rice wouldn’t hurt, and of course resigning Hasslebeck and Mebane…
If Seattle pried away Ngata from Baltimore..
I’d do Jason Pierre-Paul back-flips. On a bed of hot coals.
Hasseldone.

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