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Assessing Need: Offensive Line

Seattle played smashed in the mouth football in 2010. It hopes to reverse that.

Since we're talking Robert Gallery and improving the run game, I thought we should take a quick look at what the Seahawks have and what the Seahawks need on the offensive line to achieve that presumed goal.

Left tackle

Starter: Russell Okung

Backup: Tyler Polumbus

Depth: William Robinson, Chester Pitts, Ray Willis

Need: Not great but not to be ignored.

Okung missed time as a rookie and high ankle sprains are notorious for recurrence. When he was in, he flashed franchise caliber talent. Filling in for Okung, Polumbus kept his nose clean as a pass blocker but contributed little as a run blocker. He's a restricted free agent this offseason and could be signed as depth, but it's minimal depth--something a bit above replacement level. Robinson's is a project. He was way too thin coming out of San Diego State. Has he grown? Maybe, but probably not. Pitts ended the season on injured reserve. In many ways he's still recovering from microfracture knee surgery. It was heartening to see him take the field, but Pitts shouldn't be counted on. Willis lacks the quickness to be a left tackle. I'd rather he push for starts at right tackle.

Guard

Starters: Vacant

In the mix: Max Unger, Polumbus, Pitts, Stacy Andrews, Mike Gibson

Need: No starter, no developmental talent outside of Unger, and little quality depth; the Seahawks need to add a guard assuming that guard will start, and at least one more guard that can compete for snaps.

In this case, I don't think there's good reason to separate left and right guard. Seattle very well may need both. Andrews is under contract through 2014, but he was miserably bad, especially as a run blocker and was eventually benched in favor of Gibson. Gibson is under contract through next season and will probably be invited to camp to compete. I anticipate Unger will take over at center, but if he doesn't, he's no lock to start. The emphasis on the run game could help, because Unger moves well, but that's about as positive as I can be about Unger. He's looked consistently physically overmatched in his short professional career.

Center

Starter: Vacant

In the mix: Unger

Need: Depends entirely on whether Seattle re-signs Chris Spencer and/or intends for Unger to start. Could be a need, but it could be a need that's internally filled.

Unger hasn't seen many professional snaps at center, but I worry about his power and ability to match against nose tackles, over tackles, and, well, defensive linemen. He just hasn't looked good, and though I understand he's cheap insomuch that his contract is cheap, and he's expensive insomuch that he cost a second round pick and Seattle doesn't want to give up on him, the Seahawks have no good reason to count on him either. So, depending on what Cable and Carroll think about Spencer, and what Spencer thinks about the Seahawks, this could be a pressing need or no need at all.

Right Tackle

Starter: Sean Locklear

Backup: Polumbus, Willis

In the mix: Breno Giacomini, Andrews, Pitts

Need: Locklear was Seattle's worst regular offensive lineman and among the worst starting right tackles in the NFL. He once was talented, and that talent would seemingly match him well with a zone blocking scheme, but after a raft of injuries and two very down seasons, Seattle would be foolish not to upgrade. Even talent isn't eternal.

Willis is probably the best internal option, and the presence of Willis and Polumbus means Seattle is not really in need, at least from a depth standpoint. But the talent is thin and it wouldn't surprise me if Seattle selected a tackle early, mindful both of Okung's injury history and the dearth of depth at left tackle, and also that right tackle, someone like Gabe Carimi, could be best available talent at 25. Carimi's a powerhouse and a good fit for a run first team.

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After reading this....

I am more convinced than ever we could use Gallery!

by NickEwing on Jan 25, 2011 2:56 PM PST reply actions  

Not that we have that good a shot at it

Joseph is coming out of a down year but the Bucs desperately need to raise their wage-list because they’re well under any reasonable cap floor. They will resign Joseph.

by Thomas Beekers on Jan 26, 2011 4:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Hmmm, would Tyron Smith be a good fit at RT?

It seems to me like he would. He’s played RT during his time at USC, he’s played in a ZBS at USC and he was at USC with Carroll.

by Coach Owens on Jan 25, 2011 3:02 PM PST reply actions  

It really makes me sick that we might let Spencer walk and it seems to be a prevailing consensus...

just to “open up” the center spot for Unger who has gone nowhere near proving he can play in the NFL. And that would leave us one capable starter on the OL going into next year, and 4 huge question marks, with most of the potential answers who are on the roster currently not even particularly young or with a high ceiling.

Scary, when the “number one priority of the offseason” is bringing back an immobile 35 year old QB.

"Life does not cease to be funny when people die, anymore than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw

by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 25, 2011 3:13 PM PST reply actions  

For the record

I’m all for leaving Unger at RG (or even benching or releasing him) and re-signing Spencer.

by Coach Owens on Jan 25, 2011 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't want to strawman anyone here, but...

Unger’s been in the league for a year, and linemen can often peak late. Maybe we shouldn’t get too carried away with his potential to contribute just yet?

by kow on Jan 25, 2011 4:33 PM PST up reply actions  

You bring up a good point.

My problem is that he never looked “NFL strong.” That more than anything gives me fear of his ability to (ever) contribute.

"Life does not cease to be funny when people die, anymore than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw

by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 25, 2011 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Many players can peak late, including linemen

But the lack from Unger having shown the ability to hold the point against plenty of competition is, at the least, worrying, and should have the front office making plans for possible replacement.

"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch

by crushedoptimist on Jan 25, 2011 4:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm all for giving him another year as a starter

If he still is not showing improvement, then look for a possible replacement. Its not like we will be competing this year anyway

by Flamefox111 on Jan 25, 2011 6:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Then we should absolutely NOT resign Hasselbeck.

Spread the word.

"Life does not cease to be funny when people die, anymore than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw

by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 26, 2011 3:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm glad other people see it this way too

I admit that I don’t get to see every game, but I did get to see about 8 games this year. In that amount of time, I don’t think I ever saw Spencer get called for any penalties or miss a snap due to an injury. He’s durable, relatively smart, and would probably be cheap to re-sign.

I could understand if he wouldn’t want to re-sign with Seattle if Mora was still the coach, but I would think he’d be willing to stay with us after this season. He may not be an All-Pro talent, he may lose blocks now and then, and he may not be everyone’s favorite player, but I think he needs to stay.

by Jackrabbit5683 on Jan 25, 2011 5:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I really hope we're able to re-sign Spencer.

It has been speculated that there might be little or no free agency period this year. I hope that increases the chance that Spencer returns.

by eeezzbok on Jan 25, 2011 3:21 PM PST reply actions  

Like Spencer finally...

He was the most consistent and reliable O-lineman all year, and has made the most strides in the past couple of seasons.

He was a MAJOR reason Lynch had that monster run, getting the second level after making the initial block at the line, and showed the grittiness needed to succeed under Tom Cable.

Get him a 3-4 year deal yo!

Ka-Kaaa!

by JerryNice on Jan 25, 2011 3:54 PM PST reply actions  

have to agree

I have been disappointed in Spencer since they got him, but he finally looked like a real O-Lineman this year.

I hate to bet the farm on Okung, given his injury issues this season, but if he and Spencer can hold up and we can bring in a good left guard to solidify at least one side of the line, maybe we can actually run the ball for the first time since the line was Ruskelled in 06.

Man does this team have holes though! O-Line, D-Line, QB, WR, DB all need improving quickly. Personally, I think you have to start with the O-Line.

by dundundun on Jan 25, 2011 4:17 PM PST up reply actions  

"Ruskelled"... heheh.

Nice.

I don’t agree with it, I still put the blame on Hutch and his agent, but I think it’s a well played turn of phrase.

"Life does not cease to be funny when people die, anymore than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw

by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 25, 2011 4:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I partially agree

I think they felt “disrespected” with that whole transition tag thing, which was Ruskell’s idea. But the poison pill thing was a bit much, both sides share the blame on that one.

Though, to go beyond Hutch, anyone that wants to defend Ruskell, all I can say is he gave a 29 year old running back an 8 year, $67 Million contract. Not that contracts mean anything in the NFL, it’s just the silly idea of actually signing a running back until he’s 37.

by dundundun on Jan 26, 2011 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Why have you been disappointed in Spencer?

He’s been the most reliable lineman we’ve had for the past several years. And you can’t really pin Okung’s injuries on him insomuch as other linemen falling on the back of his ankles.

SomaFM got me through college.

by Wayward Llama on Jan 26, 2011 6:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Agree

I don’t pay much atttention to line play (mark of an inexperienced NFL watcher I suppose), but I recall Spencer being good, or at least not noticeably bad.

by Mickapeckalin on Jan 25, 2011 5:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I think we have a strong need at every spot but starting LT.

Okung and hopefully Spencer are core parts to build around. We need a RT and two OGs. There is no way in hell Polumbus or Gibson should start. Only ultra-optimistic speculation would have Willis starting and playing well at RT. Not re-signing Spencer makes 4 empty spots to fill. Subtracting a quality Center when you already need 3 other line positions would be insane. It will be hard enough filling both Guards and RT.

Polumbus and Gibson are garbage. I’m not sure they’d play for any of the 31 other teams in the NFL.

If Unger has been lifting like a madman and gaining the requisite strength to hold up at the point of attack, he could be serviceable and I’m not ready to give up on him.

Hasseldone.

by Misfit74 on Jan 25, 2011 5:53 PM PST reply actions  

I have nothing against Polumbus and Gibson

They are good depth to have, but they should not be the planned starters

by Flamefox111 on Jan 25, 2011 6:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Polumbus is a good situational player

for situations when Okung is hurt and we’re too far behind to actually run the ball.

Gibson’s a good guy to have on the end of the bench.

Willis is in his 40’s and fresh off the IR.

Andrews and Locklear need to go.

I hope Okung can stay healthy.

How can you say we don’t need depth at tackle?

by seattl on Jan 25, 2011 6:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Indeed

you are right, somehow I thought he was an old-timer who used to block for Steve Young.

But it’s up there at the top, that Willis and Polumbus are not great, but good enough for depth at RT. I guess I dont know who Willis is, but Polumbus can’t run block to play there, and I can’t think of anyone on our roster who could achieve mediocrity at RT, other than maybe Willis who I am unfamiliar with.

by seattl on Jan 25, 2011 6:42 PM PST up reply actions  

oh I see

it looked like that was directed at you

by seattl on Jan 25, 2011 6:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Willis

is talented, but he’s more of an old-school mauler than a zone-blocker. I’m convinced he would be starting if not for our scheme.

SomaFM got me through college.

by Wayward Llama on Jan 26, 2011 6:02 AM PST up reply actions  

I read somewhere, maybe here,

that Cable runs more of a power ZBS, and likes bigger guys than Gibbs did. How much of a difference will it, who knows. But maybe Cable could use a mauler in ways that Gibbs could not.

by seattl on Jan 26, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

That would be good.

I’ve always liked Willis.

SomaFM got me through college.

by Wayward Llama on Jan 26, 2011 5:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Stacy Andrews

Did you overlook the possibility of stacy andrews going back to his natural position at right tackle? Wasn’t he good there? i.e. probowl caliber?

by quelly on Jan 25, 2011 5:54 PM PST reply actions  

Stacy Andrews is a terrible tackle

no matter how many times people bring this up. This is why he went to guard.

SomaFM got me through college.

by Wayward Llama on Jan 26, 2011 6:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Ryan Harris is a RFA...

He’s had some injury problems (toe, ankle) over the last season and a half, but his return to health coincided with the Broncos having more success running the ball (relatively). Reputedly, he’s also a good locker room/team guy and he’s also very involved in the community here in Denver.

He’ll be 26 next season, has had success in ZBS, mobile and plays with some nastiness. I’ve read some criticisms of him being undersized @ 6’5" 300, but I saw him at Broncos training camp a few years ago (Clady’s rookie year) and the differences between Harris who’s supposedly undersized and Clady, who @ 6’6 315 (at the time) was considered prototypical, made me look at measurements a little differently. From purely physical standpoint, Clady was a little taller, with freakishly long arms, but the weight differential looked to be primarily fat. Not that Clady is fat for an OT, but Harris is noticeably not. Harris is actually thicker through the legs and looked to have just as much upper body muscle mass- just no gut or man boobs.

All that is to say that at the right price I think he’d be a great addition to the Seahawks. If they could somehow manage to nab Harris and Gallery in FA and another G in the draft (Schillinger?) I’d be very pleased.

by creid on Jan 26, 2011 9:39 AM PST reply actions  

I'm a huge fan of taking a very close look at Ryan Harris.

I think he can be one of the better RTs in football when healthy.

Hasseldone.

by Misfit74 on Jan 26, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

What.
just no gut or man boobs.

You got a problem with man boobs?

"Life does not cease to be funny when people die, anymore than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw

by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 26, 2011 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Bwah hahahah!

Yeah, me too. Too late.

"Life does not cease to be funny when people die, anymore than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw

by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 26, 2011 9:09 PM PST up reply actions  

What does all this shuffling do (repost)

To affect the zone blocking scheme?? Thus far we’ve seen exactly how and why zone blocking fails…. I suppose what I’m really asking is what is the advantage of running a zone blocking system other than you can acquire appropriate talent without wasting high draft picks? The cohesion necessary to execute a good zone blocking scheme is something that requires starters STAYING starters and not playing musical chairs with injuries, poor performance, etc. Why not just get 5 maulers who beast their way through a D line in a man on man basis? Seems to me that the trenches should be less about finesse and more about savagery… Cable runs a ZBS so I suppose we’re in for more of the same….? I’m really just thinking out loud. Anyone else daydream about having a power blocking system while watching our O line fail at establishing run lanes all season? Regardless, and as always, GO HAWKS.

by Brendan O'Leary on Jan 26, 2011 10:24 AM PST reply actions  

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