Seahawks Injury Updates: Tarvaris Jackson Has Strained Pectoral Muscle, Out Indefinitely; Entire Rest Of The Team Is Banged Up
by Danny Kelly on Oct 10, 2011 3:53 PM PDT
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-- Seahawks starting QB Tarvaris Jackson has a high-grade sprained pectoral muscle, per Pete Carroll's press conference this afternoon. He has no timetable for Jackson's return and wouldn't rule out his starting in Week 7's matchup in Cleveland, but in the meantime Charlie Whitehurst will get the first team snaps. Rookie Josh Portis is for now the backup QB and Pete noted "I'm not going to have any hesitation with him" if he needs to.
-- Pete insisted Russell Okung is fine.
-- Jameson Konz has a knee injury that will likely require surgery, meaning his season is likely over. Bummer for Konz, was his first NFL game.
-- Marcus Trufant has a bruised sacrum and that injury is not related to his back issues from last year. There was no timetable on his return.
-- Mike Williams (concussion) and Leroy Hill (hammy) will play in two weeks at Cleveland.
-- Marshawn Lynch sprained his ankle early in the game but played through it. He's feeling it today but my guess is that he'll be fine.
-- Zach Miller had an MRI on his neck today but no results available yet. No timetable for his return.
Thanks to Christian Caple, Curtis Crabtree, Liz Mathews, John Boyle, Danny O'Neil, the Seahawks beat, and the Seahawks' twitter feeds for relaying the press conference notes.
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What the hell is a bruised sacrum?
That word hurts my nuts just reading it.
70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.
Am I the only one..
Who thinks the red out line looks like a dinosaur?
by Ironbob on Oct 10, 2011 4:09 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 12 recs
Yeah, I don't know what he's thinking
It’s clearly Nessy.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Oct 10, 2011 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
No i was agreeing with him, it does look like a dinosaur.
And the other red outline in the corner is the meteor that comes and kills it, either that or its just Bam Bam Kam coming to destroy it.
You're wrong
The red thing up top is the underside of a rowboat that’s floating, unaware, above Nessie.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Oct 10, 2011 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Carl Everett doesn't believe in Kam Chancellor.
"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)
by Johnny Slick on Oct 10, 2011 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions 7 recs
Hah! I used to suspend my belief in dinosaurs just for him.
While he was at the plate.
It's clearly a UFO in the shape of a beer bottle cap
70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.
It looks like my mother having sex with the mailman-GASP!
Uh…..I think I’m going to go lie down now.
dude there's some things that should never be said
are you sure your from wa?
Carroll never rules out the player
They’re always “feeling better the next day”, and then it’s been four weeks.
"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch
by crushedoptimist on Oct 10, 2011 4:08 PM PDT reply actions
And then they're IR'd
and he’s as surprised as you. The same thing goes for cutting players. One day Pete’s talking them up, the next day they’re not on the team.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Oct 10, 2011 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Which is why Josh Portis probably won't be our backup in two weeks.
He got the dreaded “Carroll press conference support” kiss of death
"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch
by crushedoptimist on Oct 10, 2011 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
And David Gerrard is still available.
Coincidence?
"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)
by Johnny Slick on Oct 10, 2011 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
david garrard
doesnt wanna sign with a team that isnt committed to him, reason why he hasnt signed with Colts. even with their interest in him.
by Bruiser89171 on Oct 10, 2011 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Seems like the bye week is timely, this year
Pretty early in the season for it, though. We can’t always count on having an early bye to heal up. Though we’re almost out of our hard schedule hump, so hopefully injuries won’t be as much of an issue for the rest of the year.
"That's funny. I post here all the time and I never see (you) here."
- GreatGoogly, to John Morgan
"John Morgan IS Field Gulls, asshole!"
If I actually thought the Seahawks were poised to make a deep postseason run
Then I might be concerned with when the bye-week was. Since I doubt that, I think this is a perfect time, since we just lost everyone.
While we’re on the subject of when the bye week is, do people think an early bye week is better, or a later one?
GET OFF ME!!!
Right after a win
and right before an away game. That’s when.
But seriously, earlier the better in a non-offseasoned season.
by Stay Off the Flowers on Oct 10, 2011 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions
12 out of 32 teams will have had their bye by the end of next week.
In 4 weeks it’s up to I think 24 of 32. The “early” bye (not really all that early once you take the preseason into account) is more the norm than the outlier.
"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)
by Johnny Slick on Oct 10, 2011 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions
KOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONZ NOOOOOOOOOOOO
WHERE AM I GOING TO GET MY PROPER GRIT DOSAGES NOW????
"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)
Watch some white dudes play basketball?
GET OFF ME!!!
by Cannonater on Oct 10, 2011 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Could you imagine a one on one matchup between Jason Williams and Brian Russell?
Neither player would be able to dribble the basketball due to all the grit on the ground.
"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)
by Johnny Slick on Oct 10, 2011 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The same Jason Williams that was a fancy passing machine?
I thought he was pretty damned finesse. But I might be dating myself.
Has anyone else noticed that the "Fox" branch of the media covering the Hawks seems to lead the call for Whitehurst?
I’m not saying it’s because of “Fox”, but on both 950 KJR and the Q13 postgame they really push the “this many people want Charlie to start” and “Is there a QB controversy brewing in Seattle?”
Right, that was kind of my point
But those two don’t direct the show, do they? I mean, I suppose it wouldn’t be so hard for them to say “this is what we want the narrative to be”. Regardless, you really get two entirely different perspectives from the two radio channels. I prefer 710.
Fox news gets worse and wrse the more I pay attention to it.
I mean seriously? Whitehurst no way passed the eye test for me.
As for the Seahawks, they shall have stars at elbow and foot...Though they sink through the sea they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion.
Talk radio thrives on the existence of strong opinions, so
these guys want to stir up some controversy, QB or otherwise. A few weeks ago it was if Carroll was on a short leash, in the spring it was questioning whether Carroll, Schneider, and Cable were all on the same page in the draft.
Overall, most local sports radio doesn’t have good analysis. I like Hugh Millen on 950 because he is clearly a student of the game and he has no qualms putting his opinion out there. I can’t take Brock and Salk show so I listen to Mitch. Most of the late morning and afternoon lineup on 710 and 950 bother me, so as the morning rolls on, I listen to Thom Hartmann on progressive radio because he tries to solve controversy instead of create it.
Smashmouth is the new sexy!
Well T-Jack sitting because of injury
will finally give Whitehurst a chance. I don’t feel quite about it as I thought I would. If Charlie comes in and just lights stuff up like a pinball machine, great. But I thought that Jackson was really starting to come on these last couple of weeks so Charlie has some convincing to do if he’s going to win this job long-term.
Tavaris was playing pretty well
until he remembered that he was Tavaris and stared down his receiver and threw the ball directly to the Giants defender.
I still prefer the Tarvaris that chances a INT or two
to the one that just stands there holding the ball until he gets sacked.
I prefer that Tarvaris too
but that INT was just stupid
I see your point and I agree it was a bad throw
but can I just say, on the side, the criticism of QBs staring down a receiver is way, way overused? Yes, it can be detrimental and further, it’s a warning sign that a QB may struggle and never be prolific.
But in reality it rarely makes a significant difference. The premise is that DBs will read the QB’s eyes and be able to defend the pass or be in better position to make a play on the ball. And that does happen occasionally. But not often, and in fact because of the premise, QBs frequently can use it to their benefit to manipulate the DB, whether for that very play or for another one later. If the QB is judging the window of openness on a receiver’s route soundly, it matters very little how long he’s been looking at his target.
I see Rodgers, Brees and other very good QBs locate the route that will be breaking open, within a second of the snap, and look that guy’s way the whole time before he throws, with regularity. In and of itself, it’s not a problem. A good QB can manipulate a safety and keep him from getting a step or 2 on the route that he wants, with some frequency. But that fact doesn’t mean good QBs never stare down a receiver and poor ones do chronically. It’s rarely a valid criticism.
Head of catering.
by jacobstevens on Oct 11, 2011 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Nice Work Lynch
For a banged up wheel, you did good there pardner.
Live work and breathe like an optimist.
If anybody finds anything encouraging about having a "high-grade pectoral strain (tear)" , please pass it along.
If high-grade is like a really great tear or like the one most people would choose to have. All I’ve read tells me Charlie is our new Q.B.
If that was the case, I've gotta think Carroll would have said so.
Either they don’t know how long T-Jack will be out, or he’ll be there against Cleveland.
Mario Williams same injury, out for season.
Mario had a pec strain this week too and is having season ending surgery. Not saying this is what happened to Jackson but it can be very bad.
by Seahawk_Superbowl on Oct 10, 2011 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions
There is a difference between a pec strain and a tear, which is what Mario Williams had.
I don’t think I read anything about his (Williams) pec being strained at first.
Eternally looking forward to someone making a Seahawks song based off of Lil' Jon's "Shots" song named "Hawks!"
Is there?
I thought all sprains were tears, just a matter of degrees.
It's all along a continuum
A strain is technically a slight tear of the muscle, just like a sprain is a slight tear of the tendon.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Oct 10, 2011 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Strain= Muscle/tendon tear
Sprain= Ligament tear.
Degree of tear correlates with the amount of muscle/tendon or ligament tear. The way I learned it was grade 1=25%or less tear and 1-6wks recovery. Grade 2=25-50% tear and 1-6month recovery. Grade 3= more than 50% with up to 2 years recovery. This is for common people that don’t have staff and equipment at their disposal. If it is a high grade strain, I would except Jackson out for awhile..
by bonecruncher on Oct 10, 2011 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I learned a similar grading system... but in the case of a "high grade" strain
They are probably referring to the appearance on MRI examination:
Low grade means you just have some edema on MRI imaging.
High grade means you can see disruption of muscle on MRI imaging.
For an elite athlete wanting to return to the game, I would think at 50% (maybe even as low as 30%) or greater you would absolutely get surgery to repair it. Below 30%, the recovery should be similar to what we see with most hamstring injuries – variably limited action that may affect a player for only a few weeks or for an entire season.
Smashmouth is the new sexy!
holy redundance batman, how bout "MR imaging"
Smashmouth is the new sexy!
I should of said
With all I’ve read about pectoral tears. Ya, I know they are calling it a strain. But you could call it a bionic implant & it would still be a torn pec.
by Richard fg7 on Oct 10, 2011 7:08 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Hey guys, I also follow the Houston Texans.
Mario Williams was just sidelined for the entire season with a torn pectoral muscle, so hopefully this isn’t the case for TJax. He was just finding his rhythm
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
2011 Vancouver Canucks - The closest feeling to winning I've ever had.
"so hopefully this isn’t the case for TJax"
How strong am I suppose to be hoping?
by Edgar for Pres on Oct 10, 2011 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
You just earned my vote.
I like candor in a statesman.
"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."
Either the pec is torn or t isn't.
Hopefully it’s not THAT complicated to confirm one from the other, but I’m not going to worry too much about it until I’m given a reason to.
well either clipboard jesus
turning a miracle or we’re right back in suck for luck. Jeez on a side note the lions are going to win the superbowl.
After all this "start Charlie" stuff, people now think the season is lost because TJ is hurt?
Please, neither QB is the main reason for our success so far, and will not be in the near future.
by Stay Off the Flowers on Oct 10, 2011 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Weird, since a lot of people were like "with this oline, it's only a matter of time until charlie's starting"
Or people saying Charlie will be starting by the bye because TJAX will get pulled.
by B.B.Finnegan on Oct 10, 2011 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Speak for yourself
Tavaris has proven himself to be a middling quarterback. I’m excited to find out what Charlie can do.
by clarka on Oct 10, 2011 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
What "high grade" means
If they are using the standard definition of “high grade”, the news is all bad for T-Jack.
http://radiology.rsna.org/content/210/3/785.full
“A complete tear was defined as a distinct complete interval involving all of the fibers at the site of injury. A partial tear was defined as some continuity of the fibers at the site of injury. Partial injuries were considered high grade if more than 70% of the fibers were torn, moderate if 30%–70% of the fibers were torn, and low grade if less than 30% of the fibers were torn.”
That doesn't sound good at all.
That could mean multiple weeks.
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
2011 Vancouver Canucks - The closest feeling to winning I've ever had.
That's what I think indefinitely means
Sounds like IR to me. I know there were some folks here that said this was going to happen before the bye. Charlie will lead the way.
Ouch
I’m scared to do push ups now.
by Stay Off the Flowers on Oct 10, 2011 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions
My guess is it’s a “grade 2” under this scheme.
http://www.coreperformance.com/knowledge/injury-pain/pectoralis-muscle-strain.html
But yeah. Weeks to months.
Was it on his throwing side?
Either way, I’d guess we’re going to get a good look at what Charlie can do, but if it was his throwing arm then it might well be the season for TJ.
It was on the right side
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Oct 10, 2011 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmmm, a mediocre QB learning to throw with his left hand for the first time?
Or Whitehurst? Just going out on a limb, but I’d say Whitehurst is the better option…:)
by Highwatermark on Oct 11, 2011 7:15 AM PDT up reply actions
I was being sarcastic.
I’ve felt Whitehurst was the better option from the get-go.
Didn't Hass sometimes throw lefty?
by Stay Off the Flowers on Oct 11, 2011 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions
I remember when Kyle Orton did once.
Head of catering.
by jacobstevens on Oct 11, 2011 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, in fact he's a natural left-hander but the league made him stop because he had a bad habit of murdering wide receivers by throwing the football right through their body.
"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)
by Johnny Slick on Oct 11, 2011 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions
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