Seahawks at Giants Recap: Will The Win Help Seattle Turn The Corner?
Hey everyone at FieldGulls, I'm Charlie Todaro. First, thank you to Danny for the opportunity to be here. I've been a big fan of the site, even as a former writer for SB Nation competitor Bleacher Report.
Danny pitched the idea of becoming a regular contributor here not too long ago, and here I am. I'm thrilled to be here and it's a pleasure to meet you. I have no idea who is familiar with my work, so I've added this link as a reference.
I will admit this important fact to you right away. I did not watch the game on Sunday--the first game I have missed this season--as I attended the Frys.com Open. I once played the course in an amateur tournament and got ripped apart, so I wanted to see the pros play it better than I did. I went to the event knowing I could watch the game later, and felt it was close to a win-win.
Admittedly, it was disappointing to miss one of the most impressive victories of the Pete Carroll era. An East Coast, national exposure, double digit underdog, 10 A.M. kickoff supposed-to-lose type of game for Seattle in the opinion of most; a must win, get the season back on track into the bye week game for the Seahawks.
But, my consolation prize for missing the victory "live" was witnessing the Tiger Woods hotdog incident from about 45 yards away. The short version: Tiger was lining up his putt and about to pull the trigger when this guy right in front of me starts yelling a version of "yea Tiger." He then ran onto the course, simultaneously unleashing a fully assembled hotdog, the pieces falling nowhere near Woods.
The guy made it about 50 feet from Woods, and then fell to the green awaiting his arrest-the footage has been removed from YouTube, but the beginning of this clip shows the abrupt ending to the folly.
The Seahawks victory I learned about a few holes prior all of the sudden seemed like every day business compared to the twilight zone I had just entered. Does the hot dog throw have any connection to the game itself? No, it was just too weird not to talk about, especially considering the thrower was inspired to do something "epic" by the movie Drive and chose this.
Anyway, going to the tournament with limited access to game information-by choice, not a smart phone owner-led me to a couple conclusions. First, there was the initial surprise of learning the 36-25 final score. I knew pieces of the game, but was still trying to fill in major blanks and had no legitimate proof yet to determine whether or not this game was a fluke.
After I watched the game a few times and looked at the stats, I began to ponder; was this win an anomaly on par with the hot dog throw, or was this the win that jumpstarts the Seahawks' defense of the NFC West?
Towards the end of last week I had a strong feeling I would be moving to FieldGulls, and thus didn’t write a "game preview" like I had for weeks 1-4. I watched a fraction of the "gametape" I usually do and didn’t pay much attention to what came out of Seahawks land.
The one small piece of information that caught my eye was Tarvaris Jackson's Week 5 presser. I felt it was clear T-Jax was frustrated with the 1-3 start and steaming due to the fact that this team would be 1-4 with him at the helm if they lost.
Seeing his frustration, I formed the opinion that if this coaching staff and young team were even close to winning more; the X and O’s would be panned out and their mindset would be right. I’m not saying I expected or even needed a win, but simply a performance that could match the intensity of the second half of the Falcons game. Seattle needed to start fast and hang with the Giants for 60 minutes.
My last article at Bleacher Report was as recap of the Week 4 loss, 6 Changes Carroll and the Seahawks needed to make. Though not specifically pertaining to the Giants game, I did hope Seattle would make some of these changes starting Week 5. And since I’m a newbie here and many of you may have very little idea about my ‘Hawks thoughts, I’ll use those six ideas as a starting point for Week 5 review.
More no huddle offense: The ‘Hawks started the no huddle on the second play of the game, and continued for the majority. Whitehurst ran it as well, though more sporadically than Jackson. I loved this change, and hope it remains part of the offense.
Continue to open the first down playbook and stay ahead of the sticks: In the first half Seattle was in shotgun on first down eight times, and they ran on four of those plays. The first 1st and 10, shotgun call in the second half was the Jackson option run when he got hurt. I have mixed feelings here.
I did not know this was the play Jackson got hurt on before watching this game. Upon first viewing, I was intrigued by this call—the defense bit hard on the fake handoff--until I saw Jackson grab his pec a few seconds later.
This is aggressive Pete Carroll finding his opportunities, but now two years in a row a ‘Hawks quarterback has been hurt on a designed running play. Carroll said he scolded Jackson for not getting down or sliding; Carroll has to make sure Jackson knows that before Sunday, not after it happens. I think this type of call should be used every so often, but it can’t come at the expense of the quarterback’s health.
I liked that nine of Seattle’s 10 longest plays came on 1st or 2nd down. They did a much better job of getting first downs on 1st down, or setting up 2nd and short. Hopefully the Jackson injury doesn’t dampen the feeling around the progress that was made.
Start stronger: Beating a dead horse with this one, but Seattle had been outscored 67-13 in the first half through four games, including 33-0 in the first two weeks of the year.
14 first quarter points in New York was thrilling, especially knowing two red zone fumbles in the first half stunted even more output. Plus, Seattle broke 30 points for the first time this year.
Make life tougher on the opposing quarterback: They sacked Eli Manning three times, forced a fumble and picked him off three times. Chris Clemons is on fire. Eli surely had a headache after Anthony Hargrove flattened Danny Ware for the third quarter safety. Manning's 61.5 completion percentage was the lowest for any quarterback versus Seattle this season. Progress, but more consistent pressure is needed.
More Leon Washington and Anthony McCoy: Washington averaged 2.25 touches a game coming in and got four against the Giants, including a nifty one handed catch. Improvement, but I want to see him more involved as a receiver.
After the injury to Zach Miller, I got what I asked for…whoops. First of all, McCoy failed to get his feet down when he was WIDE OPEN on the sideline late in the third quarter. Secondly, tight ends make a living by catching passes over the middle and ignoring the footsteps of opposing safeties. McCoy dropped one in his gut, got his hands on another on passes over the middle, finally making a first down catch on the touchdown drive. His play was underwhelming, but at least we saw him in extended action.
Tighten the formula: Carroll likes his team to win the turnover margin, play clean football, stop the run, run the ball, achieve balance on offense, minimize opponent opportunities and control the clock. Through four games Seattle struggled in most of those areas.
Week 5 brought some improvement; Seattle forced more turnovers than they had all season, lost the time of possession battle by less than three minutes and ran the ball effectively amidst the no huddle attack.
However, they turned it over three times in the first half, foiling their chance to go up huge early in the game. The Giants also had 1st and goal inside the 5 with under two minutes to play. Thankfully, the defense eventually got the message and Brandon Browner ended it with the pick-six.
Seattle’s largest deficit was three points. They scored more points in the first half than in the four previous first halves combined and had no meltdowns in the final minutes. In general, this performance was a step in the right direction.
Some much shorter observations pertaining to not only Week 5:
--Seattle dominated field position, starting drives at (on average) their own 39 compared to the 19 for the Giants.
--The Giants first and only 3rd down conversion came on the Victor Cruz tipped pass touchdown early in the 4th quarter.
--I have been a proponent of the Brandon Browner experiment all along, starting in February and continuing through his early poor play. While his penalties are driving us all bonkers, he has flashed legitimate potential the past two weeks. He played the screen game very well versus Atlanta and allowed 4 completions on 8 targets his way versus the Giants, an average of 5.9 yards per target. He was also credited with three passes defensed and an opposing QB rating under 40.
--Steven Hauschka has a leg…I think enough of one to hit a 61 yard attempt every so often.
--The Seahawks opened up the blitz-book; Kam Chancellor, Earl Thomas and Walter Thurmond were used to bring pressure all day. Even Kennard Cox got a chance. Raheem Brock and Alan Branch were used almost-effectively together rushing the passer. I noticed Chancellor was going for the hit instead of getting his hands in Eli’s face. Hopefully we’ll see him deflect one at the line sometime soon.
--Jeron Johnson is a special teams kamikaze. I want to see him blitzing once or twice a game. I miss Byron Maxwell. Marcus Trufant’s back concerns me; is Roy Lewis fully healthy?
--If Eli Manning throws the Earl Thomas interception outside shoulder and a little deeper to Hakeem Nicks, does E. T. undercut a long touchdown throw? Is the play then seen as him continuing to take questionable angles?
--Minus a few pre-snap penalties, Max Unger made a positive difference in the past couple of games. Paul McQuistan has played better over the past few weeks. James Carpenter still sometimes looks like a rookie in pass protection. Russell Okung didn't have a false start versus the Giants; it's about time.
--Doug Baldwin should not have gone undrafted. How did everyone miss? I thought it was extremely telling that Schneider faxed him a note in the wooing process. One criticism; Baldwin needs to go north-south when near the first down, not east-west.
--I’ve also been a fan of the Alan Branch acquisition from the start. Great to see him get his first sack as a Seahawk. Also, it’s worth noting the defensive line on the field for the Anthony Hargrove safety; Chris Clemons, Al Woods, Clinton McDonald and Hargrove. Danny spoke of improved depth earlier in the week, and this is a prime example.
--As Danny outlined yesterday, Golden Tate threw a key block on the Obomanu touchdown—I’m still trying to figure out that celebration. Tate’s numbers—two catches, 31 yards—don’t accurately describe the solid game he had.
--Both Manning to Jake Ballard completions on the first drive, touchdown included, showed why the IR’ed Matt McCoy was valuable to this team. The linebackers need to shore up their coverage.
--Charlie Whitehurst has won a division championship game and has now gotten revenge on the team that handed him a huge loss in his only other NFL start. His play hasn't been extraordinary, but when he’s both standing on the sidelines or on the field he looks like he wants to win. I like that.
Now back to the original question; is this victory an anomaly or have the Seahawks turned their season around?
After watching Jackson’s presser noted earlier and seeing the team come through on Sunday, with Whitehurst at the helm in the end, I’m not prepared to make any sweeping statements. The ambiguity around the quarterback situation—we don’t know how long is Jackson out for-- makes it difficult to pinpoint where this team is heading.
I will say this. Heading into the season I didn’t think the Seahawks’ changes to the starting lineup would bring them another division title. The injury histories of Sidney Rice and Robert Gallery scared me and still do. The defense made some major additions, but the group is so young. The struggles Seattle had getting it "right" in 2010 with a veteran team had me thinking this group was headed for an encouraging 6-10-type season (for the record, I 100% did not and will not hop on the Suck for Luck bandwagon, or anything like it) in 2011. I still think the odds of that type of season occurring is somewhere between possible and probable.
However, the following dawned on me after re-watching this win. In the Friday presser before Week 1, Carroll praised this team for being a hard-working, serious group that wants to improve and win. He was excited to see their potential and liked working with them because they "bring it" on a day to day basis.
It's clear the team suffered from a lack of offseason work in the season’s first quarter, but Seattle has won two of three. I attended week one in person and have been to both home games. I'm surprised by the win in New York, but I don’t think this win came out of nowhere.
After the game, Carroll spoke to his team about the fact that they are primed to win, throwing around quotes; "We’re ready to turn the corner and never look back…We don’t have to lose anymore…We don’t have to give up games anymore…We’ve got to keep marching, keep moving."
Carroll is always optimistic. However, these words struck a chord because they are eerily similar to what he told his USC team in 2001, after cornerback and now Seahawks’ secondary coach Kris Richard’s pick six sealed a win at Arizona. Carroll told them they didn’t have to lose anymore. They lost one more game that season, their bowl game. Then the program took off to win at least a share of the Pac-10 conference for seven consecutive seasons. Carroll credits that play for the change in fortune.
The Seahawks have time to rest and rejuvenate during the bye, and we’ll maybe learn more about Jackson’s injury. However, I think it’s clear that the win in New York jumpstarted the beginning of that championship swag, the confidence needed to consistently win games in tenuous situations.
Maintaining that mo-jo through the bye is on the shoulders of the coaching staff. They must think like the staff that prepared the team for the Giants and get the players acting like a team that doesn’t have to lose anymore. They must begin working with urgency, regardless of their record.
I’ve tempered my expectations that the 2-3 Seahawks have turned the corner and are on their way to repeating as NFC West champions. However, that won’t prevent me from hoping that Browner’s pick-six to seal the Week 5 win could be the beginning of history repeating itself.
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Like it. Good read!
Welcome to Field Gulls. Hope to see more of your writing around the site. Good insight all around.
Thank you to both.
Much appreciated. Danny has graciously opened the door, so you will be seeing me regularly.
by Charlie Todaro on Oct 13, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Great read, thanks!
Strong bye-week content is so so welcome, especially going into it on a high note. Legitimately excited to see what next week brings!
Awesome.
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You mean "Welcome to the rec"
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by Kenneth Arthur on Oct 13, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I mean "wreck"
As in a group of seabirds.
But also, yes, “rec.”
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by Jacson Bevens on Oct 13, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
W(rec)k?
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by Jacson Bevens on Oct 13, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Trying to think of a way to employ the Spanish horror film (REC) and 1. Drawing a blank and 2. Nobody would know or care.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Oct 13, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't know if you are asking seriously or not but yes.
There are probably a lot of people who have never heard of it but actually they saw it when they did a shot for shot remake called Quarantine starring Debra Morgan.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Oct 13, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I was really asking it within the pun.
Thanks, I’ll keep it in mind if I ever come across it.
by Stay Off the Flowers on Oct 13, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I've made too many feeble attempts at rec/wreck puns to not rec this
Remember the time the Giants fans rec’d everything? That wrecked everything.
by jhmg16 on Oct 13, 2011 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Wrecked.
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by Jacson Bevens on Oct 13, 2011 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, that place was a dirty rec center.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Oct 13, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Thank you.
Psyched to be a part of it.
by Charlie Todaro on Oct 13, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Great read welcome to Field Gulls.
It’s always good to see new writers coming in with their own take :)
I agree that expectations must be tempered in regards to the defence of the NFC West Crown. However, I think Seattle turned a corner (perhaps not THE corner yet) in the second half of the Falcons game and they brought that into the Giants game.
Thank you.
Hopefully they do something similar in Cleveland…I’d like to see the defense set the tone and build off of the momentum created by the pick-six.
by Charlie Todaro on Oct 13, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Couldn't agree more man
Hopefully the offense will follow suit and start like they did in the opening drive against the Giants.
A very welcome to Fieldgulls good sir
Ya know, that Seahawks/Giants game had like every aspect of exciting football. It was like a Monster Truck Rally. For instance, if that game had been scripted in a movie or show, it woulda seemed over the top & unbelievable
Can't wait for the 2011 season to kick in.
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by jubelthebear on Oct 13, 2011 11:46 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
So....how many hours until the bashing of Cleveland?
by Stay Off the Flowers on Oct 13, 2011 12:02 PM PDT reply actions
I heard that whole city is living in sin with a safety pin.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Oct 13, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I have some reasons to temper enthusiasm.
That doesn’t mean the significant improvement we’ve seen this year hasn’t been real. A lot of it has. It’s just that we’ve gone from some hopelessly atrocious pieces undermining the basic ability to compete in a game, to being a flawed team that is below average.
I guess I’m a little surprised Justin Tuck’s absence hasn’t been remarked upon as a factor from the Seattle perspective yet. But I’ve been busy and am not keeping tabs all over the place. I’m sure some have mentioned it, but I believe it was a significant factor. Pierre-Paul is more than an edge-rushing athlete, which I didn’t expect, he’s an upcoming legit DE on the strong-side. But on a team filled with pass rushers, they were missing their best overall player on defense.
Their offensive line was also rather in shambles. Diehl is not playing well, and both Centers don’t give them what O’Hara used to give them.
We should still be encouraged. It’s still shocking to see play like that from the first snap on the East Coast. We did still get gashed defensively, and did still suffer 6 sacks. We won because of turnovers and still could have lost at the very end.
The team has become much better, and the QB play has strongly improved. Either QB is going to be OK, not awful. Neither will be great this year almost certainly. And don’t assume we’re better than Cleveland on the road.
Head of catering.
Maybe the Tuck injury talk
was mitigitaed by the fact that half our squad got hurt before and during that game, and that we finished them off with our backup QB who hadn’t taken a snap all season.
by fiftyone on Oct 13, 2011 1:05 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I came to say something like this.
Or, in the words of Winston Wolf, “let’s not go sucking each other’s dicks just yet.” The Hawks did what they had to do, but the Giants were terrible, and the game still could have gone either way. I’m not ready to view this as a sign that the team has turned a corner.
by Suburban Shocker on Oct 13, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Kinda agree with the conclusion, but not the specifics
I think if people are making playoff hotel plans already then yeah, they should simmer down. But, otherwise what the NY victory says is that Seattle’s ceiling is probably as one of the “other” non-elite teams in the NFC. After GB, NO (b/c of their experience) and maybe Detroit, nobody lacks a significant flaw. In that sense, Seattle can be right in that next group that includes NY, Dallas, SF, and WAS.
So, when I looked at the specifics I feel like maybe you discounted just a taaaddd too much. The Giants’ defensive line, sans Tuck, is still an elite group. Without him, McQuistan or Moffitt weren’t left to fend for themselves. That’s an obvious loss for the Giants, but it made for more of a “fair fight” than would have otherwise. That line was still one of the best 3 or 4 we will see this year, and the overall performance was quite good overall if uneven.
Against NY’s offensive line I would discount our front four’s performance too much. Eli holds onto the ball a long time, so I’m never sure how much to blame the line for many of his sacks. Regardless, our defensive line looks like the real deal versus the run — same as last year with Red Bryant. They’ve been a mildly pleasant surprise at generating some pressure on the QB, if not full on sacks they’re getting home.
The turnover luck you’d have to say evened out completely. We won because of turnovers, but we also weren’t blowing them out in the 3rd quarter because of turnovers too. Add to that, the Giants had 3 or 4 near-miracle catches that accounted for enormous and important gains. Cruz is fumble-prone, and fumbled. Eli has thrown the ball into traffic since he was at Ole Miss. The Giants’ turnovers played to type. On the other hand, Seattle had two relatively uncommon goal-to-go fumbles, without which it may have been a two score game throughout the 2nd half.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Good rebuttal.
I probably am discounting it too much, and the team does deserve credit for the win. I was downright shocked, even from the beginning of the game, that we were competitive. So yeah, good point.
I still don’t know whether to think it’s repeatable. If it is, though, then yeah, they are in the thick of the non-elite “others” contending in the NFC.
Head of catering.
by jacobstevens on Oct 14, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Or, to put it another way, did you know that disco record sales were up 400% for the year ending in 1976?
If this trend continues…….AAAAAAAAAYYY!!!

Head of catering.
by jacobstevens on Oct 14, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Your writing on Bleacher Report
is the reason that I came here. The editor here is a lot better THAN the Bleacher Report editor.
That sentence reads funny emphasizing 'than'.
by Stay Off the Flowers on Oct 13, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bleacher Report writers
really have a problem distinguishing the difference between then and than.
Oof
that sounds painful to read.
by Stay Off the Flowers on Oct 13, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Harder then you think.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Oct 13, 2011 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Welcome CT
I’ve read your stuff before, good reads.
So YOU were the guy on the green with the Hot dog, trying to say hello to Tiger?
Live work and breathe like an optimist.
In my mind, Todaro is pronounced EXACTLY the same way the Scooby Doo would pronounce "too-da-loo!"
Can you comment on these allegations?
by jhmg16 on Oct 13, 2011 1:06 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I can...
Toe-dar-oh. But my guess is Scoob wouldn’t be able to pull that off…is one of my favorite cartoons.
by Charlie Todaro on Oct 13, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Speaking of cartoons... are you my neighbor?
*crickets chirp *
I see what you did there
Great film. Up in my top 3 with Spirited Away and Ninja Scroll.
by TrynZushi on Oct 13, 2011 5:58 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh my god, that Tiger Woods hotdog thing.
What the hell? I now HAVE to see that movie Drive. Hopefully it won’t compel me to do anything stupid.
I'm kind of a big deal...
The soundtrack is excellent.
At least the first 4 songs if you don’t dig ambient music.
by Stay Off the Flowers on Oct 13, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I've heard the exact opposite
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Oct 13, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
All in taste then
I dig 80’s vibes
by Stay Off the Flowers on Oct 13, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I haven't heard it
I haven’t even seen the trailer, only heard that the movie is pretty great, but I guess it elicits some strong reactions.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Oct 13, 2011 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
that clip regarding the hotdog was halarious
yeah the soundtrack was epic. it fit well with the movie.
not enough Christina Hendrix
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by 12tudentoftheGame on Oct 13, 2011 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I've actually seen Drive twice.
The second time I made a bunch of friends go see it because I wanted to see their array of reactions, and I wasn’t disappointed.
It’s a provocative movie, but didn’t have me wanting to throw hot dogs. In fact, absolutely nothing about what the the guy did during the incident had me thinking “oh, this guy is inspired by Drive.” After the arrest, the cops sat him in a patch of dirt for all of the spectators to see. He looked puzzled. I’m still puzzled.
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by Charlie Todaro on Oct 13, 2011 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Hauschka
With you. He can really boom kickoffs, and having seen him for five weeks now, I would totally endorse a 60-yard field goal attempt in favorable circumstances.
I read this as "Hauschka be with you."
Eternally looking forward to someone making a Seahawks song based off of Lil' Jon's "Shots" song named "Hawks!"
And also with you.
It was just intense, and it was ball, and it was juice. The juice level in that room was high, and it was awesome.
by mister bunny on Oct 13, 2011 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
lift up your hearts
in the name of Hauschka?
I think that would be,
“We lift them up to the Hauschka.” But the level of sacrilege is getting very high at that point.
It was just intense, and it was ball, and it was juice. The juice level in that room was high, and it was awesome.
by mister bunny on Oct 13, 2011 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks Charlie
I still see us winning 9 games this season. I have a feeling the 49ers game is going to be a big one!
Loved the article. So well written, argued and concluded.
Welcome to FG!
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Because no one else has yet.
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by Danny Kelly on Oct 13, 2011 3:12 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Haha, fucking awesome! We're going to Candy Mountain!
(Cleveland is Candy Mountain?!?)
by John Edwards on Oct 13, 2011 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Good to have you around, Charlie! Great stuff, hope to see more.
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