The Official FieldGulls Fantasy Football Thread. Week 6 Edition.
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Here at Field Gulls we’ve had discussions on just about every aspect of football, including having discussions about when we can or should have discussions about Fantasy. Well, this IS the place. You can, if you must, add fantasy talk in additional game threads, but be warned, someone may be watching, and they may be mocking. Here, you have free rein to talk your team’s reign or your rain of injuries. Something to note, and this should be a true football fan’s golden ticket when it comes to heaven and hell and the voiding of the warranty on your soul.
The first rule of Fantasy Football, you do NOT root for players against the Seahawks.
The second rule of Fantasy Football, you do NOT root for players against the Seahawks.
On this site, for sake of your own health, NEVER cheer against the Seahawks due to your fantasy roster. My personal rule is to avoid as much as possible acquiring division rivals, or to avoid playing them against the Seahawks if reasonably possible. Statements like, "Well, at least I have Larry Fitzgerald on my fantasy team" (if) he was scorching the Hawks will unleash the hounds of hell upon you. Please don’t be that one bastard playing the "Don’t Come" line at the craps table. Not only will you bring bad mojo to everybody, but you’ll likely get verbally harassed, if not banned. You’re a Seahawk fan, you aren’t "that guy" you are one of OUR guys—act like it!
I was bouncing around trying to come up with an idea for this week's write up, and you'll love what I decided on. But first, let's address last week. The Bills went out and won, proving me wrong on my prediction there. Shocking. Whatever I say, expect the opposite. Kind of a good rule of thumb. Then again, David Nelson caught only 1 pass for a 6 yard TD, with only two targets, and Scott Chandler was 1 reception (1 target) for 4 yards. So I wasn't completely off in my predictions. Danny, I do hope Nelson is now either in the waiver bin or on someone else's team in your league...That Buffalo Philly game really makes me wonder what the heck happened to the Eagles though. They went from a team knocking at the door to a team that may put one of the longest tenured and most highly respected coaches on the proverbial hot seat. As the saying goes, NFL stands for Not For Long if you don't win...
What's more, this Philly start is raising cain with fantasy leagues. I saw Mike Vick go top 3 in several leagues in which I was either in or helped someone to draft. While I never thought he was deserving to go ahead of Brady, Brees or Rodgers at QB, I certainly didn't think by week 6 he'd be ranging anywhere between 8 and 17 in QB scoring in the various leagues to which I'm attached, ranking behind such luminaries as Matt Hasselbeck, Cam Newton and Alex Smith. ALEX SMITH?!?!?
DeSean Jackson is still a top 20 wide receiver, but then if you look closer, that's still a bit disappointing. He's closer to 20 than 10, and he's appeared healthy while playing in every game thus far, while so many other upper tier WR's such as Miles Austin, Andre Johnson, Vincent Jackson, Dez Bryant, Sidney Rice, Kenny Britt, and Brandon Lloyd (among others) have all had times of ineffectiveness and missed considerable time/snaps due to injury.
I still think they will right the ship, at least enough to keep Andy Reid's job. But the playoffs?!? That's not even on the distant horizon for this struggling team. Getting out of the cellar in the NFC East will be a significant chore at this point.
Are There Any Sleepers Left?
Injuries and now bye weeks are forcing issue and in deeper leagues, there aren't that many good consistent scorers left. Are there any hidden gems out there? While at this point in the season you aren't likely going to find a frontline WR1 or RB1, you may find a spot starter, a bye week replacement, or even a potentially upside guy moving forward.
Places to look? Offenses that started slowly but are picking it up. Players coming back from injury that maybe you can buy low on. Also, players on bye so their value might be decreased temporarily. Players who had team injuries that negatively affected their value, but those teammates might be returning to action. Finally, potential replacement starters who might get a run and show higher value than expected, allowing them to keep the starting role they temporarily inherited.
Finally, remember these are players that are probably not full time starters. They're players to fill out the edges of your roster with hope of upside, as opposed to immediate starters.
Anyone coming to mind? I'll give you a clue... I can't believe I'm writing this, but I see some actual fantasy value in players we're quite familiar with.
- Sidney Rice. Sidney was a top10 WR two years ago prior to injury. He's young, he's healthy, and since his return has 15 receptions and 21 targets in two games. He's a legitimate starting option moving forward, but if you are in a league with non-Seahawk fans, they might not know it yet. Get him for a fast starter like either David or Jordy Nelson, he's a better option than either moving forward. He is a full time WR2 moving forward off the bye.
- Doug Baldwin. Whereas Sidney may not be available given his past performance, going into a bye week I'm positive Baldwin will be. My co-GM and I are debating dropping BMW (our 5th/6th WR) for him, given his perceived higher upside in our eyes. This isn't an indictment of BMW, but an approbation of Baldwin. The last two weeks he has 15 targets and 13 receptions, and seems an ideal possession receiver with sneaky YAC (yard after catch) potential. Grab him now before it's too late. While he will not be a weekly fantasy stud, he will be a guy you can put in any week in a pinch, and if you are in a PPR league, his high target and reception numbers will help you.
- Player 3- flip a coin. Charlie Whitehurst and Tavaris Jackson. Don't laugh. Tavaris was the 13th rated QB in my keeper league over the last 3 weeks including reduced stats vs. NYG due to injury. Add Charlie's 8 points and he moves into the top 10 and ahead of Alex Smith and-yes, it's TRUE-hot starting Matt Hasselbeck. (At least over the last 3 weeks!)
Also, tied with my Baldwin comment. I'm willing to let go of BMW and keep him off the list of Seahawks to grab for a couple of reasons. First, he was getting fewer looks early in the season when he could/should have been getting more (only 14 targets through 4 games) and the emergence of Baldwin and return of Rice aren't going to immediately help him now. Second, he is injured himself. I still think he's a good compliment to Rice and Baldwin, but I think he's the compliment as opposed to the guy you trust to score. The other two are simply better fantasy scoring options moving forward.
I know I didn't watch the game last week (and yes, I did finish the Portland Marathon, but no, I wasn't fast. At all.) According to everything I've read, both QB's played decently. Charlie might hold the offense if Tavaris' injury lingers, but both QB's fit the bill of a player with offensive upside that comes from
- an improved offense that started slow. With three new starters on the OL simple getting their bearings helps
- other players in the offense being injured and either back, or coming back soon from injury (Rice, Gallery),
- the "X factor"-that thing that seems to come from a team that is doing positive things and feeding off of itself. Say what you will about Pete Carroll, his teams seem to do that.
Now, this doesn't mean grab all these players and damn me to hell if they don't perform. But in larger leagues, the QB might be a solid ‘depth with upside" guy, and Baldwin fits the bill of bench depth from a possession receiver as well as Jordy Nelson, Lance Moore or Deion Branch. All things being equal, why not go with the guy in Blue???
Have a great weekend either watching football all day and not caring who wins or loses, or possibly taking the weekend off entirely and building some marriage/relationship credit.
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Pick one for this week:
Tim Hightower (vs PHI), Antonio Brown (vs JAX), or Torrey Smith (vs HOU). Standard ESPN league, no points per reception. None of them are ideal starts, cause my team stinks.
I like the matchups
of Hightower and Brown. Phili stinks against the run and the Jags are strong against the run, which should mean Pitt passing more. I would go with Brown. Hightower is questionable and Torrain has really played well recently for the skins.
I think Hightower is the 3rd down back now.
I don’t see him passing Ryan Torain if Torain stays healthy. What’s more, his running ability isn’t that great, so even if Torain goes down I think Helu will jump Hightower to the number one slot and Hightower will stay 3rd down back.
The biggest thing to watch for there is if the other two guys manage to effectively pick up blocking assignments. That’s the only thing Hightower does better…
"How much blow can Charlie Sheen do? Enough to kill two and a half men." -Jon Lovitz
by Tyler Jorgensen on Oct 15, 2011 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm in leagues with wayyyy too many Seahawks fans
Rice, Baldwin, Lynch were taken early on in the season and held onto :(
Yeah, I didn't list Lynch because even in most leagues he's already gone.
Plus his value isn’t as high as Rice’s in a “trade for him” mode.
Is Tavaris available? Might want to watch his health, but he might be the one Hawk you can get who might be able to help you, if you’ve got a questionable QB situation…
"How much blow can Charlie Sheen do? Enough to kill two and a half men." -Jon Lovitz
by Tyler Jorgensen on Oct 15, 2011 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Roethlisberger count?
Weeks and weeks of awfulness followed by a 5TD explosion. Gotta project him to be somewhere in between going forward, obviously, but man it’s hard to root for him to succeed.
He's certainly a solid option in a 2QB league... or a bye week replacement. But then, I'd rather go with Tavaris and take my chances than have him on my roster...
"How much blow can Charlie Sheen do? Enough to kill two and a half men." -Jon Lovitz
by Tyler Jorgensen on Oct 15, 2011 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Pick one for my Flex
No ppr. Standard points league. David Nelson (at NYG) or Heyward Bay (vs CLE)?
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm starting to actually like Heyward Bey.
I think he’s playing pretty well, and on top of that he’s got home run potential that far surpasses Nelson. The key is to separate his excessively high draft status from his production. If you do that, he’s actually not doing to badly now, and his hands are getting better.
With his talent, fewer drops means more targets. He got 7 targets, then 12(!) the last two weeks.
Compare that with Nelson who appears to be going the wrong way (again, 5 targets total the last two weeks) and you’ve got a buy long candidate with upside in Bey.
"How much blow can Charlie Sheen do? Enough to kill two and a half men." -Jon Lovitz
by Tyler Jorgensen on Oct 15, 2011 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm done with DeSean
He’s going to be traded next week so I can get a damn running back. I can’t screw around with Jonathan Stewart and some other random guy I picked up.
I respect your opinion even though it's wrong.
I've never actually drafted him.
I just don’t trust him, never have. Might be shading my presentation here, but I like bigger stronger more consistent less flashy receivers. Andre Johnson is my favorite, sort of the opposite…
"How much blow can Charlie Sheen do? Enough to kill two and a half men." -Jon Lovitz
by Tyler Jorgensen on Oct 15, 2011 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions
The problem is Vick is all about Maclin and Avant this year
And no one is kicking to Jackson anymore.
I respect your opinion even though it's wrong.
I disagree
D Jack has put up some pretty solid games so far this year, fantasy perspective. 102 and a TD, 171, 86 and TD. With how bad Philidelphias defense is playing, there will undoubtedly be more chances for him to produce. I don’t see Phili blowing anyone out, and Andy Reid really doesn’t run that much anyways. I actually like him going forward and don’t think Phili will play any worse offensively then they already have.
Thoughts on starting TB Mike Williams?
I don’t know what to do with him anymore, I could start Crabtree or Ward instead.
I'm in the same boat.
I keep holding onto him because I just can’t believe Tampa Bay has regressed this much. Plus I keep reading stuff like this , which makes me think they’re working to get him integrated. Bottom line, without Blount and a good running game they’re going to have to throw this week. I’d start him because your other options don’t inspire much confidence, although I wouldn’t expect much.
I can't stand Hines Ward.
I’d rather start a guy like Williams based on potential. Ward is about the only player I wont get no matter what. (I even have Big Ben in one league, but I have QB issues… Ward is another story.)
That being said, he’s not a terrible start, but limited upside. He gets lots of targets (9,6,4,4,8), but doesn’t produce much more than short yardage (67 is high for a week, and two TD’s came last week, fresh in the mind).
Crabtree’s targets (2,6,9,5) are fewer and more inconsistent, but he does have an improving offense. They’re facing Detroit, so I don’t know that they’re going to be able to run, and they might fall down early, which means cheap late passing. I think he might get his first TD, he’ll certainly get more snaps than he has the last couple weeks. Rotoworld calls him a good WR3 play.
"How much blow can Charlie Sheen do? Enough to kill two and a half men." -Jon Lovitz
by Tyler Jorgensen on Oct 15, 2011 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, for the record, Mike Williams is still getting lots of looks, he just hasn't done anything with them yet.
"How much blow can Charlie Sheen do? Enough to kill two and a half men." -Jon Lovitz
by Tyler Jorgensen on Oct 15, 2011 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions
He has the dropsies and is in a serious soph slump
With a QB who isn’t doing much. I’d bench him until he shows something again.
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by Thomas Beekers on Oct 15, 2011 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't disagree with that--
except that we’re comparing him to Crabtree and Hines Ward. In that comparison he isn’t that far behind either of the other two, and has the most proven upside to boot.
"How much blow can Charlie Sheen do? Enough to kill two and a half men." -Jon Lovitz
by Tyler Jorgensen on Oct 15, 2011 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not confident in Matt Schaub, especially after Andre goes down.
You think he can cope with Kevin Walter and Owen Daniels against the Ravens?
He'll be sitting on my bench.
If you’ve got a better option, use it. He might have a solid game, but I wouldn’t expect him to shine.
"How much blow can Charlie Sheen do? Enough to kill two and a half men." -Jon Lovitz
by Tyler Jorgensen on Oct 15, 2011 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Can't stand Fantasy football.
This is not a slam on people that do. Actually, I love being able to talk to, more and more people about football, and to do that intelligently. Fantasy football is the reason for that. I live and die with the Hawks. I never want to be in a position where I root against them, so I have never played.
The reason that I wrote this is because I wanted to thank Whiskey Chainsaw; I love your disclaimer. I don’t read fantasy articles, but I love reading how you’ll ban someone for rooting against the Seahawks. Seeing those words lets me know that Seahawk Nation is something special: We’ll accept your opinions, but if you slam on the Hawks, we’ll kick your ass. Thanks for contributing to such a great site, Whiskey, Danny, et. al.
Thanks man!
I was shuddering as I read the initial headline, but you had a great save there! And I appreciate it.
Why am I up at 3:36? Checking my fantasy rosters one last time before bed, knowing I’m not likely up before the eastern games. Just dumb, haha!
Whenever I see words like this:
Seeing those words lets me know that Seahawk Nation is something special: We’ll accept your opinions, but if you slam on the Hawks, we’ll kick your ass.
Always reminds me of words like this:
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remembered-
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne’er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition;
And gentlemen in England now-a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs’d they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin’s day.
"How much blow can Charlie Sheen do? Enough to kill two and a half men." -Jon Lovitz
by Tyler Jorgensen on Oct 16, 2011 3:40 AM PDT up reply actions
You're welcome
As I said, fantasy football has made the casual football fan so much more knowledgeable. Most of the diehard fantasy people that I now were already football fans, but I’ve met several hotties that have become football fans because of fantasy football. For that reason alone, I am so glad that it is so popular.
I’ve enjoyed your articles, and it’s freakin’ awesome when you see a Shakespearean quote on a football blog!
Someone offered me AJ Green (WR, Cin) for LeGarrette Blount (RB, TB)
This is a keepers league, and based on our keepers rule, I can keep either of them for a 9th rounder next year (so obviously, they are both good keepers). Would you take this deal? I like Blount and think he might turn into a top 10 RB, but AJ Green is also very dynamite. They are both young too (Green is 23, Blount is 24).
Well it obviously depends on your current RBs and WRs and if you have a greater need at either of them
Green is less risky for next year because he’s gonna be the man no matter what.
Blount on the other hand sits on most 3rd downs and who knows, the Bucs could draft a RB and all of a sudden make the split carries next year.
Okung - Gallery - Unger - Moffit - Carpenter
by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Oct 15, 2011 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree with Roy Weaver.
List your entire roster, let’s look a little closer before making that call…
"How much blow can Charlie Sheen do? Enough to kill two and a half men." -Jon Lovitz
by Tyler Jorgensen on Oct 16, 2011 3:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, I already have 2 pretty good RBs (AP and Turner) and some good WRs (DeSean jackson, Marshall, DHB, Wayne)
So Blount/AJ Green will likely be my Flex play. The thing Im more concerned about is how they will do next year and beyond, since this is a keepers league.
by SeahawksPhan on Oct 16, 2011 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
So how many can you keep?
Are you able to keep AP? Turner? If so, I’d probably go the other direction and keep AJ, because Marshall and Wayne are something of question marks in my mind, given the tenuous situations at QB moving forward both short and long term. (I’m not at all sure Peyton’s coming back ever)
"How much blow can Charlie Sheen do? Enough to kill two and a half men." -Jon Lovitz
by Tyler Jorgensen on Oct 17, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions

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