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So, if you read my article over at SBN Seattle yesterday this might be a little redundant but I thought it would be a good time to take stock on some things that are going on with the Seahawks right now. 

Trade Deadline:

First of all, the NFL trade deadline is tomorrow so if the Seahawks are going to make some moves to pick up some draft picks or even players, they're going to have to do so today. I have to think that Schneidy is on the phone right now - he's not exactly a guy to stand pat and be satisfied with what he's got. Rumored players that COULD be on the trade block include:

RB Justin Forsett - though we all love Forsett, he does represent some possible trade value to the Hawks, considering they have Marshawn Lynch in front of him, Leon Washington either in front of him or closely behind him, promising practice squad player Vai Taua, and now Allen Bradford waiting in the wings. I'm not advocating the trade of Forsett, but I can see why some people consider him expendable. 

Considering the addition of Mike Morgan to the practice squad precipitated the Aaron Curry trade, you could very, very loosely surmise that the Allen Bradford signing may precipitate another RB being traded, but that's just wild boredom induced conjecture on my part. 

WR Golden Tate - another guy who might seem expendable at the moment. I definitely am not advocating this, but with the emergence of Doug Baldwin and the signing of Sidney Rice he's fallen down the depth chart. Kris Durham is a promising young receiver and Ben Obomanu has been holding it down during Mike Williams' battles with injury this season. Speaking of Obo...

WR Ben Obomanu - pretty much the same line of thinking here. The Hawks have built up quite a bit of depth at WR and Obomanu may have some value, however minuscule, on the trade market. Teams looking for a disciplined route runner with fairly dependable hands might inquire - the Jets recently traded Derrick Mason to the Texans for a conditional 7th round pick and as we saw today, the Rams just picked up Brandon Lloyd for a conditional 5th, I believe. I don't know if I can say with any certainty that either of those players is much better or worse than Ben Obomanu - Lloyd put up better numbers last year but is a journeyman and Mason isn't getting any younger or more spritely. Anyway, I suppose Obomanu COULD have value to a WR-needy team.

As I look over our defense there aren't any glaring trade candidates, except maybe Marcus Trufant. Which I doubt will happen, as he's injury prone and has a pretty big contract. I suppose the Hawks could Aaron Curry him and eat almost all of his contract, but the difference is that Trufant has been playing pretty well in the role the Seahawks have him in. 

The Roster:

The Seahawks currently have one open spot on their roster that's just burning a hole in John Schneider's pocket. There are a few routes that can be taken to fill it, including a trade, free agent signing, a practice squad signing, or a PUP list activation. 

The practice squad is currently made up of offensive linemen Paul Fanaika, Brent Osborne, cornerback/safety Chris Maragos, defensive end Lazarius Levingston, wide receiver Ricardo Lockette, running back Vai Taua, TE John Nalbone, and linebacker Mike Morgan.

Of those guys, I'd say I suppose the most likely active roster candidate would be Mike Morgan, because of Aaron Curry's trade and Matt McCoy's injury. The Hawks are down to Leroy Hill, David Hawthorne, K.J. Wright, Malcolm Smith and David Vobora in their linebacker corps so they'll probably need to address this. 

The other thing to keep in mind is that TE Zach Miller's injury hasn't yet been detailed and if he misses any significant time they Hawks are down to one healthy TE. Options? TE John Nalbone could get called up from the practice squad, ole Dominique Byrd could get a call, and/or Cameron Morrah could return to the team from the PUP. Speaking of the PUP...

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Physically Unable to Perform List: 

Here is how the PUP works: If a player is placed on the PUP list to start the season, they can't play for the first six games. They are also not allowed to practice with the team during those first six weeks. This is now week seven. 

Starting today, the PUP list player has three weeks to begin practicing with the team. If he is unable to start practicing with the team during these next three weeks, he has to go on IR and thus miss the rest of the season.

From the time that the player starts practicing with the team, the team has three more weeks to add the player to the 53-man roster.

In summary, there are four relevant dates:

Start of season: If you're on PUP, you have to sit out 6 weeks. This is what happened with Butler, Morrah, and Lewis.
Week Seven: now you're allowed to practice. This is today.
Week Ten: if you're not practicing by now, you're on IR.
Week Thirteen: if you're not on the 53-man roster by now, you're on IR.

The Seahawks current PUP players are DB Roy Lewis, TE Cameron Morrah, and WR Deon Butler. Roy Lewis is practicing today. I'm not sure about Morrah or Butler. John Boyle, beat writer for the Everette Herald, was telling me the other day that he's heard all three are close to returning to full speed. That means there will be some decisions on this trio pretty soon. 

Injuries:

Tarvaris Jackson: Still no word on his 'high-grade' pectoral strain. Zach Miller: Still no word on his shoulder/head injury. Rumor has it that Robert Gallery is progressing well and could return this week. Mike Williams should return from a concussion. Leroy Hill was hobbled last game by a hamstring injury. Haven't heard how he's doing. Malcolm Smith had a similar issue and Byron Maxwell is still recovering from a high ankle sprain so he should be back soon.

My guess is that in the next couple of days, or possibly even today, we'll find out more about these and then I'll update accordingly. 

Thoughts on all this?? 

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Potentially onto something w/r/t RB

I don’t see RB as an area of strength, so it’s plausible to trade someone in that group and keep churning the depth chart for higher potential players. Forsett comes to mind as expendable given the depth. What isn’t clear to me is what his value would be.

I also see the WR spot as an area of strength and don’t suspect we’ll see changes there. While we could potentially afford to let talent go at that spot, I don’t see our past moves suggest the FO will work to achieve an area of strength, and then destabilize it.

I think the roster churn is done, to fortify position groups (into strength) not take away (and make more weakness)

by GnarlyHawk on Oct 17, 2011 12:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Obo has a little too much veteranosity, familiarity, good attitude, and special teams contribution

to be THAT expendable. In other words, his value to us is probably more than to any other team.

As for the Seahawks, they shall have stars at elbow and foot...Though they sink through the sea they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion.

by Cheddar28 on Oct 17, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Return of Lofa?

Perhaps it is more agreeable to Lofa now that his options are so limited. It would be good to have a solid veteran to help the kids develop, and his odds of surviving half of a season must be better than surviving a whole season. Although from a merchandising standpoint it would be a bad move.

Or is the divorce final at this stage?

Believe me, I know what I'm talking about. Mack Strong shops at my grocery store.

by YoSoyMacho on Oct 17, 2011 12:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Probably final.

Hawthorne’s doing fine at his spot. I say we let him go.

by Stay Off the Flowers on Oct 17, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd love to have Lofa back...

…as a coach.
His knowledge of the game is indisputable, unfortunately so is his inability to stay healthy.

The balance he was able to strike between his run and pass defense, the way that he was able to overcome any lack of speed or size through sheer smarts; think he could eventually become a great Defensive Coordinator if he wanted to. I just hope that there isn’t so much animosity between the current organization and Lofa, that he decides to pursue that coaching career elsewhere.

by Dizzy Saturn on Oct 17, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Forsett

I don’t know why we haven’t used him more this year. He has been our best rb for yards per carry in the past. He really hasn’t had many plays this year. I’m wondering if he has a minor injury ?

by AlaskaHawk on Oct 17, 2011 12:38 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Definitely a possibility.

Could it be Carroll thinks Lynch is the kind of back you just need to ride all game? Mixing Forsett in last year didn’t get us anywhere in each game’s big picture, regardless of his above average YPC.

As for the Seahawks, they shall have stars at elbow and foot...Though they sink through the sea they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion.

by Cheddar28 on Oct 17, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can get behind that. Also, and this is ust more speculation here but,

maybe Lynch has outcompeted Forsett this time around, whereas last year Justin had the advantage of spending the entirety of the year with the team.

As for the Seahawks, they shall have stars at elbow and foot...Though they sink through the sea they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion.

by Cheddar28 on Oct 17, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not that anyone cares what I think...

…but trading Forsett would upset me more than just about anyone on the team.

Why? I think he is much better than he has been shown. Just thinking about how he would look in the Ravens offense – not much different than Rice, I believe.

So the point is that he is worth WAY more than Seattle could ever get for him on a trade. I’d rather see BMW go (because he would be perceived as far more valuable in the league and therefore command more of a return). Or CW, or Lynch, or just about anyone other than Okung, Carpenter, or Thomas. I think that’s it…

About the 2011 Seahawks: "And if I laugh at any mortal thing, tis that I may not weep." Byron

by Hawksince77 on Oct 17, 2011 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

It sounds as if the open roster spot is for someone on the PUP list.

My guess is that they will put Morrah on the 53 and keep Morgan on the practice squad.

Depending on what they think of Butler, they could just let him go. If they really like him, they would have to let someone else go/trade them, but I doubt that they value Butler more than Obo, especially considering they gave Obo a 3 year extension at the end of last season. I also doubt that they value a Butler, whose one star attribute is his speed that may not ever be back to its full strength, more than the upside of Tate. In summary, I think that Butler becomes a casualty.

I’m nervous about Forsett being gone and what that would do to the locker room situation with Lynch. Perhaps they don’t plan on re-signing Lynch past this year and both could be gone? If that is the case, then I think we have folks to fill out Forsett’s spot, but maybe not Lynch’s. Based on the earlier description of Bradford today, maybe he could take Lynch’s spot.

Eternally looking forward to someone making a Seahawks song based off of Lil' Jon's "Shots" song named "Hawks!"

by Bobby Cink on Oct 17, 2011 12:43 PM PDT reply actions  

Lynch has been a pretty positive personality, has played through a lot and gone through a lot of frustration

plus he is more effective than your average FA RB – I’m not so sure he gets let go unless someone with a lot of talent becomes available or develops for us.

As for the Seahawks, they shall have stars at elbow and foot...Though they sink through the sea they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion.

by Cheddar28 on Oct 17, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

IMO, Butler's the best trade candidate now that he's off PUP.

Like you were saying, he’s the one skill-set that doesn’t seem to fit with the new offensive philosophy. Honestly, I can’t see him moving ahead of any WR currently on the roster, and I think it’s hard to justify spending a 53-man spot on him given our needs at other positions. He doesn’t have the size of BMW, Rice or Durham; the versatility of Obo; Baldwin’s developed into the Engram slot-machine we hoped Butler could be; and I don’t think it’s time to give up on Tate’s open-field ability just yet.

Not that he’d bring much in a trade (and we have zero leverage) But TEN is still looking for depth without Britt, and there’s a prior working relationship with Hass, and maybe HOU, with johnson out and Knapp on the coaching staff there … could possibly snag a conditional 6th or 7th if we’re lucky – which is better than nothing.

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by jteckmann on Oct 17, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I could see Morrah and the Morgan being called up

With 5 LBs and 1 TE there has to be one or two position groups that are carrying more guys than are necessary. We definitely need a TE who can catch the ball, McCoy looked pretty raw last week.

by Billy Showbiz on Oct 17, 2011 1:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Misc draft thought

If we’re drafting 7th overall, Do you trade up for Luck or sit and draft Barkley/Jones? If you do trade up, how many picks do you give up to nap Luck? 2 first rounders and a 2nd? 3 first?

by klyphx on Oct 17, 2011 2:18 PM PDT reply actions  

If I was in that position (and Luck doesnt slow down for the rest of the season)

Then I would give up whatever is necessary to get Luck, as long as the team holding the #1 pick isnt from our division. 3 1st rounders? If you think Luck is “the guy,” then hell yes.

by SeahawksPhan on Oct 17, 2011 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hyberbole aside

You can’t trade out that far in advance. A team cannot bargain picks more than two years removed from the current season. Thus, it’s theoretically possible for us to package next year’s 1st rounder, plus the 1st rounders for ‘13 and ’14. However, going more than one year out is ridiculously uncommon, since there’s really no predicting where the draft order will fall.

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"John Morgan IS Field Gulls, asshole!"

by Clendy on Oct 17, 2011 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

It depends who is ahead of us.

I really doubt Barkley will still be there after 5.

by wetzelcoal on Oct 17, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Luck snaps to Luck

Luck takes a five-step drop. Luck sees Luck covered on in the flat. Pass rush covered by Luck on the left side. Luck looking downfield, Luck and Luck both stuck in traffic. Pass by Luck down the sideline… caught by Luck! Takes it to the 45, 40, here comes the safety… blistering block on the side by Luck and now Luck has some space. 25, 20, running out of room to run, Luck pitches it to Luck! 15, 10, 5, touchdown! The Seattle SeaLucks go up by six! Listen to those deafening cheers from the 12th Luck!

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- GreatGoogly, to John Morgan

"John Morgan IS Field Gulls, asshole!"

by Clendy on Oct 17, 2011 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Trading up will be pohibitively exspensive.

Only suckers like Daniel Snyder will pony up the multiple picks from multiple years that it will take. Look what the Falcon’s gave up to get Jones.

by Fumanchuchu on Oct 17, 2011 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Last time we had "excess" WR talent

and tried to parlay it into another position we ended up in a multi-year injury-dropsies-bad juju WR drought.

I don’t like the idea of it, and wouldn’t support trading a proven guy. Only Tate or Durham, but the return on them wouldn’t be worth it to even pick up the phone.

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by hazbro24 on Oct 17, 2011 2:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Gonna we akward when Butler comes back...

Oh hey, um, hows the knee. So uh, we are gonna give you the 5th spot and uh yeah, go get em champ.

by dogsho on Oct 17, 2011 3:01 PM PDT reply actions  

As far as I am concerned

Butler should be ahead of Tate on the depth chart.

by wyobo on Oct 17, 2011 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

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