Raiders & Bengals close to a trade for Carson Palmer
For a 2012 first rounder and a conditional 2013 pick (2nd that can turn into a 1st). I'm ecstatic we're not giving up that kind of a price for Palmer. Seriously, that could be two firsts. Insane.
Schefter confirmed it as official.
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I understand that Campbell getting hurt may have bumped up the offer for Palmer
But if Mike Brown had a first round pick on the table for Carson prior to this and is only now pulling the trigger… like you said it would be insane
Mike Brown got a lot of crap for how he dealt with it
But he looks pretty savvy right now. Wait until a team panics, then pull the trigger.
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by Thomas Beekers on Oct 18, 2011 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions
He should send Campbell a fruit basket.
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by Lo Pann on Oct 18, 2011 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wonder if he was truly intent on not trading him regardless
and then changed his mind after Palmer’s lost so much of this season and they’re happy with Dalton, or if he always was willing to trade him for the right price but it was this high and he never budged, expecting there would be a scenario like this. I dunno.
Head of catering.
by jacobstevens on Oct 18, 2011 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions
In Breaking Bad, the car wash owner would only sell the car wash to Walt for an insane amount of money because of his hate for Walt.
Everything has a price, but sometimes you’re in the position emotionally to turn down everything that’s not a complete ripoff and sometimes it works out. Even if it didn’t work out, Brown wouldn’t have regretted his decision, in my opinion.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Oct 18, 2011 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
This MUST be rec'd, for the reference to BB.
However, thank you for the spoiler. I only just started season 4.
by Matt Erickson on Oct 18, 2011 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh crap, I guess that is a spoiler. Seemed so inconsequential to me when I said it.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Oct 18, 2011 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
It's alright, it was almost a foregone conclusion.
And you didn’t give away THAT much. ;)
by Matt Erickson on Oct 18, 2011 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm thinking Brown would have stuck to his word and not traded Palmer
… after all, Brown is the same guy that turned down two first round draft picks (offered by the Washington Redskins) for Chad Johnson OchoCinco.
Procrastination is the Art of Keeping Up with Yesterday.
by Ryche And Roll on Oct 18, 2011 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Holy shitballs.
Wouldn’t he have been a free agent at the end of the season anyways? Is the ghost of Al Davis still making shitty deals?
Seattle dodged a bullet there. Fuck the Raiders.
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair or fucking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. - Al Swearengen
No, he's under contract until 2015
Raiders get that contract now. It’s pretty expensive.
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by Thomas Beekers on Oct 18, 2011 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions
In fact, they don't have the cap for it
He’ll have to restructure
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by Thomas Beekers on Oct 18, 2011 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions
wow.
Agreed, two firsts is borderline insanity.
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by Thomas Beekers on Oct 18, 2011 7:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Yikes, going from one awesome organization to another.
I guess he got some extra rest out of it.
The Raiders are the epitomy of awesome.
As for the Seahawks, they shall have stars at elbow and foot...Though they sink through the sea they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion.
He's been working out.
As for the Seahawks, they shall have stars at elbow and foot...Though they sink through the sea they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion.
Borderline?
One first is borderline insanity. Two firsts and they should be committed.
by Nshima on Oct 18, 2011 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
man, the raiders sure hate draft picks
hopefully the next janikowski doesn’t come out in 2012 or 2013.
This is an deeper kind of stupid. Palmer isn't even the kind of athletic freak that Davis usually overpays for.
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It's panic
Though to be fair, I have to assume the conditional 1st will be hard to reach…then again…
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by Thomas Beekers on Oct 18, 2011 7:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Uck
Jay Glazer
Trade is for a first-rounder in 2012 then a second rounder in future that can turn into a first-rounder based on his play
Yuck
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by Thomas Beekers on Oct 18, 2011 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Even that's too much
I don’t know that I’d give up a second rounder let alone a first and second.
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It's terrible
I mean a conditional that can drop way down, fine, but a 1st and 2nd is way overpaying, let alone a 2nd that can turn into a 1st
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by Thomas Beekers on Oct 18, 2011 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
They overpaid bigtime. Too bad we couldn’t fleece them in the Aaron Curry trade. This reminds me of the Bears giving us a first for Rick Mirer.
It does kinda feel that way
But I think Palmer’s a lot better then Rick Mirer.
by B.B.Finnegan on Oct 18, 2011 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Exactly -- given that it was the Raiders,
we really should have gotten more for Curry. This trade makes ours look even worse than it did last week.
It was just intense, and it was ball, and it was juice. The juice level in that room was high, and it was awesome.
by mister bunny on Oct 18, 2011 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
I think we're lucky to have gotten ANYTHING for Curry
And I think they’ve been trying to trade him since the contract restructure in the offseason.
by B.B.Finnegan on Oct 18, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
I think we fleeced the Raiders on the same level, relatively speaking.
I would have been happy to get one 7th for him. To get a 6th and a potential future 4th? I’ll take it.
by Matt Erickson on Oct 18, 2011 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
In terms of value for Curry
We really got a dollar for a dime. The rams just got a top 20 WR for a 6TH. We got a 7th and possible a 4th for Curry.
by Bruto56 on Oct 18, 2011 12:05 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Honestly I don't think the two are related at all.
As for the Seahawks, they shall have stars at elbow and foot...Though they sink through the sea they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion.
Who's the interim GM again?
As for the Seahawks, they shall have stars at elbow and foot...Though they sink through the sea they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion.
No one
They have a CEO tho’, some lady, forgot her name
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by Thomas Beekers on Oct 18, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
So is she making these trade decisions?
As for the Seahawks, they shall have stars at elbow and foot...Though they sink through the sea they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion.
Dunno, but don't think so
Pretty sure Hue Jackson is in charge of football operations.
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by Thomas Beekers on Oct 18, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I think Al Davis's wife assumes full control
Who knows who’s actually in control now though
by B.B.Finnegan on Oct 18, 2011 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
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by beastwarking on Oct 18, 2011 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think the son is responsible for football operations
I think he’s involved in more of the business side of things.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Oct 19, 2011 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Brandon Marshall, Vincent Jackson, Kevin Kolb, now Carson Palmer.
The list of high-priced free agents that PC/JS have refused to whore themselves out for financially, grows longer.
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by Brandon8 on Oct 18, 2011 7:34 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Only one of those you list was a free agent.
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by Thomas Beekers on Oct 18, 2011 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Sorry, trade prospects.
http://17power.blogspot.com
I have to believe that JS is constantly low balling all deals..
So, it looks like the hawks are in the mix whenever there is a block buster deal going down. You never know when an organization is just trying to get rid of a player.
Did you want them to do this deal?
they took turns pissing into the bitch's ocular cavities.
This way to the cafeteria!
All things I railed against when talking heads were claiming the Hawks were first in line for them.
All things Ruskell and Holmgren would have jumped on.
It’s good to have an FO that understands buy low and sell high.
You can call it a high price, and it is,
but if the Raiders go to the Super Bowl with him, it’s worth it.
The idea that we’re going to keep ignoring the most important position on the field and win anyway, somehow, is ludicrous. How much longer do we have to wait before they spend a first round pick on a quarterback?
Yes, we've waited two whole drafts, one of which had no QBs and the other having all good QBs gone before we pick
Truly this wait is unbearable. Something must be done!
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by Thomas Beekers on Oct 18, 2011 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
Agree
We can’t transfer Tim Ruskell’s lack of planning into urgency for Pete Carroll.
by Stay Off the Flowers on Oct 18, 2011 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Not for this FO
I’m not going to put decisions of the previous FOs going back to the 90s on this one.
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by Thomas Beekers on Oct 18, 2011 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions
The good news: something will be done.
Unless Jackson or Whitehurst force them not to, which would only mean something (drastic) would not be necessary.
Head of catering.
by jacobstevens on Oct 18, 2011 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I presume you're counting Sam Bradford as "no QB"?
I would agree with that, but just checking.
by The Ancient Mariner on Oct 18, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
We weren't #1 pick.
So does it really matter if there was one franchise QB there?
by Stay Off the Flowers on Oct 18, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
That would be in the "all good QBs gone before we pick" category
I never have bought Bradford as a franchise QB, though.
by The Ancient Mariner on Oct 18, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm kind of coming around on Bradford just being bad, but it's not a foregone conclusion
But we had no shot at the #1 pick, unlike 2011 when we could’ve probably traded up if we really wanted to
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by Thomas Beekers on Oct 18, 2011 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Pete and John
really haven’t had a good group of QB’s to choose from yet. Can’t really blame them.
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Raiders are being fleeced here.
Even if they get to the superbowl, they will have Aaron Curry pull a Barret Robins.
is it bad that I don't get this reference?
before my time?
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It was like a decade ago!
Bucs-Niners SB?
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Ohhh wait okay I vaguely remember that...
But it was the Raiders Bucs…. I got it I got it
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I don't think the right comparison is Robins
More like Glen Coffee retiring to answer the call of Christ
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It's way too early to make any judgements about the quality of the QBs of the 2011 draft
but there are a lot of rookie QBs this year bringing the fire.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Oct 18, 2011 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, it's funny how everybody here hated all over Andy Dalton.
And everyone else.
“So glad we didn’t pick him.” “We’re so much smarter than talent evaluators!”
by pacificsands on Oct 18, 2011 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions
I still don't like Andy Dalton as a QB. Why would I?
He looks like an inferior Colt McCoy with better weapons.
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by Thomas Beekers on Oct 18, 2011 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
The Bengals have a stout D, and a weak ass schedule.
They’re not out beating the Patriots.
70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.
But he's 15th in quarterback rating!
#sarcasm.
As for the Seahawks, they shall have stars at elbow and foot...Though they sink through the sea they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion.
I was one of those guys
and I’m happy to be proven wrong.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Oct 18, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
You haven't yet.
As for the Seahawks, they shall have stars at elbow and foot...Though they sink through the sea they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion.
The only ones that were available were
Dalton , Kaipernick , Mallet or trading for Kolb or Orton. Not really a great group to choose from.
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair or fucking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. - Al Swearengen
He's looking marginally better than Tarvaris Jackson. Does that translate into "I would rather have drafted him than James Carpenter"?
Really?
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by Johnny Slick on Oct 18, 2011 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Locklear was awesome.
He just needed a good QB behind him.
by Fumanchuchu on Oct 18, 2011 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You surely
Saw a different Locklear than me. I would never put the adjective awesome with Locklears name.
Not even then for me
I would use the adjective decent at that point in his career.
That was the reasoning.
He was a guard that moved to tackle and performed quite competently. I, like many others, figured that he would grow into the position and be even better over the next few years. Obviously it didn’t happen but there was cause for excitement at the beginning.
Sorry, I never learned
how to use the sarcasm font.
@ah@
The symbol with the 2 on the keyboard at both ends of a statement it doesn't work in the title though
So is Carpenter
It also helps to have a functional Offensive Line when you draft a young QB. Seeing as the ‘Hawks have taken to OTs and a G in the last two drafts and I’d say they agree.
Build the OL, get receiving threats, then draft a QBotF.
by CMC_Stags on Oct 18, 2011 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
All things considered, if both become stars at their position (big if) I would prefer Dalton over Carpenter...
To be clear though, I was happy and still am happy with our draft, I am simply arguing that Dalton has shown some promise, and while it is to early to grade him outright, it is foolish to claim he has no upside.
Upside is a matter for the scouts eye
and its not foolish to say that a qb has limited potential based on their own opinion, your own expert opinion just views it differently.
Obviously a star QB is better than a star RT.
But the odds a of late first round Quarterback becoming a star are vastly smaller than those of a Tackle.
It is also his first year in the league
Quarterbacks tend to get better as they gain more NFL experience. A quarterback is average as rookie full time starter could have a pretty bright future. Obviously it is still only 1/3 of a season in, but Dalton is out performing Carson Palmer’s rookie year at this point. Dalton doesn’t have Palmer’s physical skills so perhaps his growth is limited, but marignally looking better than Jackson as a rookie is pretty impressive accomplishment.
There is a long list of QBs who look ok to good as rookies
Then we realize that they weren’t asked to do much and when they are later on they suck.
they took turns pissing into the bitch's ocular cavities.
This way to the cafeteria!
Mirer...
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by Johnny Slick on Oct 18, 2011 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
That was the easy one that I was thinking of
they took turns pissing into the bitch's ocular cavities.
This way to the cafeteria!
Vince Young. Rick Mirer. Greg Cook. Dennis Shaw. Jim McMahon.
All NFL/AFL/AFC/NFC rookie of the years. That’s just the most blatant, burning examples, the guys who looked truly legit as rookies and then did very little with their careers.
Well McMahon might be a bad example, he was mostly good but derailed by injuries.
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by Thomas Beekers on Oct 18, 2011 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions
A car needs tires, but even the best tire in the world doesn't matter if there's nobody behind the wheel.
by pacificsands on Oct 18, 2011 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Apparently you've never watched Night Rider
by B.B.Finnegan on Oct 18, 2011 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This analogy is all kinds of messed up.
A car without tires is a shitty ride no matter how good the driver is.
by Fumanchuchu on Oct 18, 2011 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I still think Mallett was worth our 2nd.
As for the Seahawks, they shall have stars at elbow and foot...Though they sink through the sea they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion.
Agreed
But he doesnt “fit the system” … regardless if he can make all the throws
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I'm glad we got Moffitt instead, myself.
For all the talk of Carp struggling and just now starting to come into his own, Moffitt’s been pretty solid all year long. He’s made his own share of rookie mistakes, of course, and it always looks bad when a guy blows past a guard on the pass rush, but I have no worries with him and am not sure I’d be saying the same re: Dalton with some replacement level guard on the right side.
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by Johnny Slick on Oct 18, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
There are?
There’s been a ton of over-inflated passing stats but the adjustment with defense catching up to offense seems to be well and truly on its way, plus the defenses now have tape on these guys. Newton’s impressed, but who else? Gabbert looks awful, Ponder didn’t look great in spot duty, Mallett hasn’t played, Kaepernick I dunno didn’t watch, and Dalton looks weak but his receivers keep bailing him out.
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by Thomas Beekers on Oct 18, 2011 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Of course if true, what does this do for Marvin Lewis?
He’s been out in the press over and over again since the offseason saying that they were going to bury Palmer. I guess it helps the team is winning games this season…
Eh? Marvin Lewis doesn't have anything to do with this
Also, “bury”?
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by Thomas Beekers on Oct 18, 2011 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I confused Lewis and Brown - it's early
And the answer is “he’s laughing all the way to the bank”. Nothing to see here, ugh.
He speaks for Mike Brown
and they obviously don’t care what the media says, they made a move for 2 first round picks and showed that they aren’t the worst team in the NFL without him. That’s pretty incredible.
by Stay Off the Flowers on Oct 18, 2011 7:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Official? Adam Schefter
Carson Palmer to the Raiders now official. Compensation expected to be a 1 in 2012 and a conditional 1 in 2013.
Already edited into the fanshot a few minutes ago, bro
But thanks!
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by Thomas Beekers on Oct 18, 2011 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Man, that much draft capital, if managed correctly, could turn a mediocre team like the Bengals into real players in their division
But then again, they also have a Mike Brown managing those picks.
With the Steelers in slow but steady decline,
the Ravens figuring to eventually follow, yeah, they could be in position to be on top for a handful of years, starting soon.
If they don’t blow it. They have before.
Head of catering.
by jacobstevens on Oct 18, 2011 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions
So, let me get this straight...
The plan all along, was to mismanage an organization, so you have a disgruntled QB who refuses to play for you so you can trade him when some other team suffers an injury to their starting QB.
Brilliant!
No you didn't.
However, to my eye, it’s more of a gamble than a sign of brilliance.
A brilliant gamble? sure.
Rookies are FA after 4 years now.
Players are gonna be like, yeah, I was doin’ time in Cincy…but got out in 4 for good behavior.
70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.
Wow, the Raiders are even worse at trades without Al Davis
But on a good note, they will either cut Palmer after the year or trade him to the Seahawks for a 6th round pick and a conditional 8th
According to a Cincy fan on their blog
On ESPN they said that the Bengals wanted Curry in the deal. I don’t know if it’s true since I wasn’t watching ESPN, but interesting if true. Maualuga has been out for the Bengals.
Yeah, Mort mentioned the same
So it seems fairly sure he was mentioned in negotiations. Would’ve been interesting.
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by Thomas Beekers on Oct 18, 2011 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions
At Silver and Black pride there are a lot of mixed reactions. Some ecstatic, some in a murderous rage
While everyone at CincyJungle is doing the no-pants dance of happiness
The Raiders need to a hire a GM, stat.
A rookie head coach thinking his team is a QB away from being in the superbowl should not be put in-charge of making personnel decisions.
They looked like a playoff team with Campbell.
If Palmer lights it up they are certainly a contender. It’s a gamble, but go big or go home.
70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.
The additional issue here is that Palmer walks onto a team he doesn't know with a system he doesn't know and will be expected to pick right up where Campbell left off.
A smart coach would bench him for a month – after all, Palmer will be there for the next 5 seasons – but I highly doubt that will happen.
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by Johnny Slick on Oct 18, 2011 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't agree.
Boller isn’t an option to play and neither is Pryor. He’s gonna Favre it.
70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.
Hue Jackson was the Bengals WR coach from 2004-2006 and then became the Falcons and Raiders o-coordinator.
Not saying that the offense is going to be exactly the same, but there’s a familiarity there at least that most teams that traded for Palmer wouldn’t have.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Oct 18, 2011 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions
You sure the murderous rage is a reaction to this trade, or just the general ambience of Raider Nation?
Head of catering.
by jacobstevens on Oct 18, 2011 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Is it the ambience or the decor?
Not sure which one I like more….
70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.
The ambience is the murderous rage, the decor is the knives and skulls.
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by jacobstevens on Oct 18, 2011 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
That's not the Applebees I know.
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by hazbro24 on Oct 18, 2011 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
At least they have good Feng Shui
Also, I hear they are giving away first round picks at the door this Halloween. All GMs are lining up.
by goatweed on Oct 18, 2011 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Really brings a room together.
As for the Seahawks, they shall have stars at elbow and foot...Though they sink through the sea they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion.
by Cheddar28 on Oct 18, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Really cleaves flesh asunder.
Head of catering.
by jacobstevens on Oct 18, 2011 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Palmer is clearly better than Campbell so I get that perspective.
As for the Seahawks, they shall have stars at elbow and foot...Though they sink through the sea they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion.
At this pace
Raiders won’t have any picks for the next draft,
Live work and breathe like an optimist.
They will because they can't trade away the compensatory picks for Gallery and Nnamdi
Which should be high, like a 3rd.
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by Thomas Beekers on Oct 18, 2011 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Right, lotta compensatory picks
And TBH it’s starting to look like the 2012 draft may be another weak one. So their tactic might not actually be that bad.
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by Thomas Beekers on Oct 18, 2011 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I personally don't see where this trade is so WOEFULLY BAD as some are saying.
I’m not defending it, but given the contextual factors of their organization right now, and they’re one (awesome) fourth quarter in football from being 5-1 I don’t think it’s that ridiculous.
I hate playing this game, but it sounds like they could have traded “Lawrence Jackson” and “Josh Wilson” two late first/second round picks that—shocker— ended up being unsuccessful for Carson Palmer and a chance to (potentially) stamp their playoff passport the next few years. The demand on quarterbacks is quite high. This is the same league that valued Matt Cassel as a 2nd rounder, Kevin Kolb as a 2nd(?) rounder and recent all-pro (or just pro-bowler?)
Again, if I’m a Raider fan, I don’t know if I’m chest-bumping at the water cooler today, but I’m probably not that motivated to start polishing up my pitchfork either.
by SgtSasquatch on Oct 18, 2011 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Hmm, crazy like a Fox?
Remember the notion that a lot of teams, possibly including Seattle, were intent on finding ways of taking extra picks in 2010 because it was such a strong draft? I’ll be on the lookout for the inverse behavior, now.
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by jacobstevens on Oct 18, 2011 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions
How sad would that be,
to not have picks one the first or second days?
As for the Seahawks, they shall have stars at elbow and foot...Though they sink through the sea they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion.
I wish the draft was one day....
Wake up, roll one up, sit back for 7 hours and watch college highlight videos while Kiper’s hair is on mute until you pick.
by Stay Off the Flowers on Oct 18, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
They've got a second rounder left.
And 5 hours to burn it.
70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.
No they don't, they gave their second rounder to New England in a draft pick swap
I think they have a third, a fifth and a sixth?
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by Thomas Beekers on Oct 18, 2011 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Right
1st on Palmer, 3rd on Pryor, 4th on Campbell.
So would that be preferable to how we treated the QB situation, guys?
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by Thomas Beekers on Oct 18, 2011 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Nope nope nope.
As for the Seahawks, they shall have stars at elbow and foot...Though they sink through the sea they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion.
Very interesting stuff..
I gotta say I am glad this trade happened. Carson Palmer’s best seasons by far were 2005 and 2006. He has been really a second tier QB since then and his career almost ended entirely. Obviously the Bengals organization was pretty dysfunctional.
Campbell’s numbers as a Raider are about in line with Palmer’s career averages. So, they had no reason to do a deal like this until Campbell got hurt. Of course, the Raiders have a great running game so perhaps Palmer will outperform..
I hate to say it, but the Raiders season has a really interesting storyline now with Davis dying, Palmer in, and a 9 year playoff drought. Their home game on New Years Day against the Chargers (last game of the season) could end up being a real classic. Yay, football!
I hope he plays super-well for the Raiders.
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by jacobstevens on Oct 18, 2011 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Raiders haven't had a good quarterback since...what...
Ken Stabler?
As for the Seahawks, they shall have stars at elbow and foot...Though they sink through the sea they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion.
What the Raidahs are going for is Jim Plunket 2.0.
Super Bowl.
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Wow.
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Can't really disagree with a team that drafts terribly trading draft picks for a great player
They’d waste the damn things anyway.
by Gihyou on Oct 18, 2011 8:36 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
They've got more to show for their 1st rounders in the last 10 years than we do.
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Peter King would certainly argue so
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by Thomas Beekers on Oct 18, 2011 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions
They've got Janikowski,
McFadden, Heyward-Bey, Micheal Huff, and Rolando McLain all on the roster. And they did pretty good with that Nnamdi guy for a while.
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I agree that it's an overpay, but at the same time... I think draft picks are getting overrated slightly.
If Carson Palmer could regain what he was several years ago, not even be a Pro Bowl QB, but if he could be a Matt Schaub-like QB, I might take it. The Raiders can win that division. Not sure how long its going to take for him to get ready in the offense, but I know Hue Jackson is familiar with him from his Bengals days and probably isn’t worried about it.
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But from the Bengals perspective, they just got two first round picks.
For a guy who wasn’t even on their team.
Yeah, I think both teams won.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Oct 18, 2011 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe they looked at the state of their division
KC has a lot of young talent – but pretty much got destroyed by injuries this year. They’re going to have a decent draft slot probably next draft.
Denver… well they’re starting Tebow and just traded their best receiver, so yeah.
San Diego is beatable and hasn’t looked that great thus far.
So maybe Oakland wants to just go for it now. Win Today!
Hahaha Denver....
As for the Seahawks, they shall have stars at elbow and foot...Though they sink through the sea they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion.
If they were a QB away from being a SB contender
But the defense is giving up 25 points a game. They must be counting on Curry to step in and fix it.
Honoring a legacy should only go so far.
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by the other side on Oct 18, 2011 10:02 AM PDT reply actions
Loath entirely.
As for the Seahawks, they shall have stars at elbow and foot...Though they sink through the sea they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion.
I did let "epitomy" slide above, in my defense.
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by shams on Oct 18, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
From what I remember too..
They did a great job drafting the past couple of years. Why flip your momentum (and future) for a QB who had his best years at least 5 years ago? I think Palmer is a good QB, but one safety blitz from being lost for the year.
I think we could have nabbed Palmer at one time, but the FO saw that line of ours and said “save it.” Now that they seem to be getting better every game, getting that young stud QBOTF is a perfect scenario for the future.
For some reason, I just see Matt Barkley here next year. Just a hunch.
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Isn't Campbell only supposed to be out 6 weeks or so?
At worst, he would miss the rest of the season and be completely healthy by training camp. Does he fit with what the Seahawks do? He’s not a speedster, but he’s also not a statue, and he has a pretty strong arm.
Hey I got proof man Curry IS the the defensive fix.
All you gotta do is go to Silver & Black pride and read what they are saying. That many idiots can’t all be wrong.
Most of them seem excited about the trade,
which is alright, I guess. What I find kind of funny is that they consider Pryor the QBOTF.
Curry probably will be much more successful in the silver and black -
remember his first 5 or 6 games where he ran roughshod over teams before he was told by the coaching staff to behave and he tried to be “professional”. I think he needs a place where he is allowed to be “nasty” – and Seattle is not really that place. At least Curry is not in Pittsburgh.
As for Pryor, now he has three years behind Palmer to learn the craft – I think Palmer (and Hue Jackson) will be a good mentor for the obviously entitled kid. Pryor does not seem like a bad seed, just someone who hasn’t had a strong father figure or disciplinarian in his life. I think Tressel seemed more like the “boys will be boys” kind of guy.
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For the record...
I was championing the idea of a possible trade for someone else’s cast-off, but to quote Switch from The Matrix, “Not like this. Not like this.”
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I can't believe they are starting him on Sunday.
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