In Which Mike Mayock (& Mattlock) Pontificate Upon Matt Barkley
Matt Barkley vs Notre Dame (via JMPasq)
DK edit: this fanpost was from the weekend but I'm frontpaging it because I think it could generate some good discussion (and already has) and I like the effort put into this post. Well done Mattlock...
I started watching this video over on SeahawksDraftBlog (if you don't frequent this site, do so. And follow Rob on Twitter: @RobStaton). I decided to make a couple notes in a comment about the video, but then a couple turned into more than a couple, so I decided to post it here also.
I had no idea Mike Mayock was the colour guy for this game, so I got super excited when I started watching it. Mike Mayock commentating on a Matt Barkley game? Can life get any better?? I submit that it cannot!
I need to stop watching film of Barkley, because I'm gonna fall way too in love with him, then I'll lose out on him, because Seattle sports fans can't have nice things.
To the analysis!
3:13 -- Matt heaves this 50 yards in the air, and just barely overthrows his receiver (better than underthrowing, here's to you, Charlie)... the pocket is giving way in front of him, so he can't really step into this throw, and still has no problem hucking it 50 yards.
3:42 -- Quick pass, excellent touch, and leads his receiver perfectly, which actually probably adds 4-5 yards to the play.
3:58 -- This is the kind of play that I think really sets Barkley apart from anyone not named Luck. Under pressure, maintains his composure, and not only makes a catchable pass with a lineman around his ankles, but has the presence of mind to wait for his receiver to gain just a bit more separation before making the pass. Such presence of mind. Many NFL QBs would not make a play like this.
4:22 -- This is a seriously impressive throw. Weak arm?? Give me a break. A bullet into triple coverage, placed exactly where only his receiver can catch it. You'll never see a Colt McCoy/Andy Dalton/Jimmy Clausen/Christian Ponder make a throw like this.
4:54 -- I have no earthly idea how Barkley sensed the CB blitz. Quick release, places the ball perfectly (again). Should have been a TD.
5:56 -- For people saying he's not athletic enough or doesn't progress through reads... he clearly begins to run after at least his FOURTH read--and gains 7 yards. Not an explicitly "mobile" QB, but he's smart, knows when to tuck and run, and where to go to get yards.
6:58 -- Just look into those blue eyes, and let Mayock do the analysis. Reads, baby, reads.
7:18 -- Again with the eyes, man. I'm starting to feel like this may be love.
7:54 -- Runs the play-action bootleg to perfection. Nothing available, no problem, just juke the would-be tackler and run 12 yards and pick up the first. Man, imagine how good he'd be if he was athletic!
8:23 -- This is when I knew it was love. Look at the big boy hustling downfield and throwing blocks. Reminded me of another Matt... on another note, how many times did Woods run straight into his blockers in this game?? Haven't watched enough of him specifically to tell if this is a regular issue with him, but goodness -- have some patience, man.
8:52 -- This is another bullet. Mayock makes the point that this could have been a TD. I think he meant if he hadn't let him quite as much, so he didn't have to dive, then it would have been a TD. I think that is a good point, but my god, are we picking nits now.
9:39 -- "(A)n uncanny, innate sense of timing"... how many times has something like this with the 'Hawks turned into a sack and sometimes a fumble? Ball protection, no turnovers, no sacks. This boy is a Pete Carroll disciple--or at least just a good QB.
10:26 -- I think he has at least one throw like this every single game. Gorgeous pump-fake followed by a picture-perfect pass that only Woods could catch. How do you defend something like this?
Man, was this a pretty performance. Full-blown man-crush going on here now.
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Play Charlie for Barkley?
I kid, that does rhyme though.
Seriously, if by some stroke of genius/suckitude we do land Barkley, do you start him first game or does he need more time?
I like that... Suck for Luck is out of the question at this point
Charlie for Barkley I can get behind
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Not that I actually want us to loose...just can't bring myself to root against us
OH and Barkley starts from Day 1 no and, ifs or buts about it
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Not that I would agree with the "suck for Luck" mindset...
for I surely want the Seahawks to win every game, but I really don’t think we are completely out of the Luck sweepstakes.
Losing these last two very winable games...
…certainly has kept us in it. Suddenly the Dolphins look like they could be a 2-win team, and the Vikings and Cards will eventually get 3-4 each, and the panthers will eventually get their due and get 5-6 wins. As long as we keep losing these winable games, we might be picking in the 2-4 range. Hope springs eternal. Did anyone else see how Luck, after tossing a potentially fatal Pick-6 with 3 minutes left, goes over to his receiver and says, “my fault” and then rolls down the field for the tying score? Thats the kind of competitor you can trade some picks for.
by Crominator56 on Oct 31, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Malarkey for Barkley
To improve, they should try to become the musical southern cal of the west. - bRuins Nation poster on the Stanford band.
by bluemax on Oct 31, 2011 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I don't know, i see a lot of little passes
But it also looks like USC’s offensive line isn’t very good. A lot of pressure on Barkley. He goes through his progressions well it seems, which is exactly what Griffin III doesn’t seem to. Raw, but extremely talented. Landry Jones seems ok i guess, but I’d guess it’ll take quite a bit of work to make him a successful NFL QB, if at all.
The short passes mostly look designed.
You can’t knock a QB for throwing a screen if that’s the play call.
I think Griffin is better at making reads than he’s given credit for.
I was skeptical at first, but Griffin looks flat out amazing at times
I think I’m beginning to prefer him over Barkley
by B.B.Finnegan on Oct 31, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Griffin came out of our local high school...
been watching him play since his sophomore year, so I can’t help but hope he turns out to be great and the Hawks get him. Not sure he will, or we will, but I can hope.
The Left Tackle is an All American and likely first rounder
the rest of the is kind of meh
To improve, they should try to become the musical southern cal of the west. - bRuins Nation poster on the Stanford band.
My concern with Barkley is consistency.
Compare this game to his Cal game and you wouldn’t think you were watching the same quarterback. And even against Notre Dame he has moments where his accuracy or zip disappears on him. Since you took a more favorable look at him, I’ll try to be a little more critical and play devil’s advocate a bit.
0:05 and 0:43 – These two plays are a huge part of why Barkley is so highly considered. He has an amazing ability to manipulate pass rushers and find space in the pocket while maintaining good footwork. He’s not an athletic quarterback but he’ more than athletic enough. He senses pressure, has a handleful of little tricks to avoid rushers and can grab a few yards when it’s time to run.
1:22 – This throw is terrible and there’s really no reason for it. Tons of time and space, the nearest rusher is three yards away from him when he throws, and his receiver is wide open. Barkley unleashes a complete duck of a float ball that forces his receiver to use every last bit of his vertical leap to come down with the ball.
2:09 – Barkley gets criticized for dumping off too much, and this looks like an example of it. I don’t think that’s fair however, I’ve seen USC run this play several times and it almost always goes to the TE in the flat. I think this is a designed short pass and shouldn’t be held against Barkley’s decision making.
2:18 – So much for being critical, I love this play. Rolling out to his right, he’s able to keep his feet underneath him and zip a very accurate pass across his body, finding his receiver sitting in a zone between two defenders. The best part about it is that Woods is probably his third read on this play, the full back and his wide receiver (#82) are probably his first two progressions there.
3:13 – As just barely as this pass missed, it still missed. That’s awfully open in the NFL, for a quarterback whose biggest asset is his touch and accuracy you have to make that pass.
4:22 – That bullet into triple coverage got his receiver decapitated. It’s a nice throw with good placement, but yikes.
4:54 – Did he sense the blitz? Nice play, should’ve been a touchdown, but how much credit do you give him for feeling the pressure on that play?
5:20 – Barkley doesn’t quit on a play and he’s not afraid to throw with defenders at his feet or trying to wrap him up. More often than not this makes me incredibly nervous. On the play before this he’s able to hang in long enough to dump a pass off that goes for four yards. On this play he gets hit as he throws and ends up lobbing a pass to no one in particular. That a USC player comes down with it seems like luck to me.
7:07 – Just listen to Mayock on this. I really don’t worry about Barkley being a captain checkdown type. He gets a lot of easy passes called for him in the various screens that USC runs but he looks to go down field every opportunity he gets. To me this is just a smart decision to check down after the clock in his head says it’s time to get rid of the ball.
7:54 – Love everything about this, he’s so crafty when it comes to evading defenders, but holy crap SLIIIIIIIIDE! It’s seems like quarterbacks don’t slide anymore, why is that?
9:39 – Again, he’s not afraid to throw with defenders hanging off of him and that’s not a good thing. He’s getting suplexed as he throws and the pass ends up closer to three Notre Dame players than any USC player.
10:02 – Another needlessly wobbly float ball that makes for a tougher catch than needed, forcing his receiver out of bounds when it should have been an easy touchdown. He’s got tons of time and plenty of space to step into the throw, what happened here?
I have a hard time nit picking college talent
For the most part i think Barkely is clutch and a great talent to build around for the hawks. No qb goes out every game and throws perfection, look at Brady / Breez / Rothlisberger / Manning. They all have bad games all have a handful of terrible throws a game and they have been playin the game a long while. For Barkely, the skies the the limit and the only thing that truly matters, Does he WANT to be a great QB for years to come. I thought Cam Newton would be a big bust, has all the athleticism in the world but i didnt see it translating well to the NFL, but what made him so far succeed? His overwhelming desire to be great and I have no doubt he wont be with that work ethic.
And with the connection between carroll-barkely i feel we could only reap the benefits!
by Dominic Matlock on Oct 31, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I feel like you just described Matt Stafford
almost word for word. Amazing player at times, and then the accuracy goes out to lunch for a few drives, nobody knows why.
by Hancock.Brett on Oct 31, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
dude
even accuracy needs a break, DUH
Heresy grows from idleness.
by Corax --Nevermore-- on Oct 31, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
To me, these are excellent points
and also things you could conceivably fix with a NFL QB coach.
Heresy grows from idleness.
by Corax --Nevermore-- on Oct 31, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
To continue with my man-crush on Barkley ;)
1:22 — I agree with you that this throw looks terrible. It’s a wobbly duck, though I’m not gonna get too hung up on that. The fact that he almost airmails his receiver… I keep coming back to the fact that Woods is a true sophomore and now that Lee is a freshman, and I think there’s a good chance that they just aren’t running their routes quite right. Lee gets popped off the line of scrimmage, and perhaps that threw the timing off just enough that he ended up a yard nearer Barkley than the route is designed? Or maybe Barkley just made a bad pass.
5:20 — As the pocket collapsed, he needed to get rid of the ball. He didn’t really have anywhere to run, so he wound up and fired but his arm was hit as he threw, which completely knocked the ball off-target. It can be concerning that he’s as comfortable with defenders on his ankles as he is, but I really can’t see something I would rather have seen him do here. I think it’s just a good play by the D-lineman.
10:02 — This stood out to me as one of his worse throws when I first watched the tape. He definitely seems to have trouble throwing a clean spiral at times, which, if a consistent issue, could continue to hurt his zip and accuracy. Still, if he throws the maybe ~35 yard pass 6-10 inches lower, he has a TD. Meh, as a college prospect, I’m not gonna complain too much. If he’s making that kind of mistake after several years in the NFL, me ‘n’ Matt’ll be havin’ words.
by Matt Erickson on Oct 31, 2011 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Picking nits at 8:52? That wasn't a good throw. Hell, that was a bad throw
Lots of floaters and balls thrown at or near the LoS by Barkley in this game. This whole “throwing with people all over me” isn’t going to stick in the NFL, so it isn’t an asset. Plenty to like, but not exactly flawless footage.
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To quote Dominic Matlock from above (because hey, same name!):
I have a hard time nit-picking college talent. Yes, it was a bad throw, but honestly, even if that happened in a Seahawks game now, I don’t see us complaining that the QB led the receiver too much and turned a maybe 31 yard reception/41 yard TD into “just” a 25 yard reception and a first down. I mean, yes, we might passively snipe at him momentarily, but the reality is that he led him by perhaps 3-4 feet too much (which could just as much have had to do with Woods breaking to the middle one step too late). The throw was low too, but again, that may be a result of Woods taking an extra step before his break.
Even if we put this throw on Barkley, my question is, so what? You mean he can’t make perfect throws throughout the entire game? I don’t expect perfection out of my QB, even when he’s a 10 year NFL vet. Much less if he’s a junior in college. He has time to grow. He shows that he has the ability, the leadership, and the intelligence, and that’s what I’m looking for.
by Matt Erickson on Oct 31, 2011 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Eh? We complained for a week about Whitehurst having a poor throw that could've otherwise led into a TD, and it wasn't nearly as bad a throw as that
It’s nice that it’s a bullet, but people often misunderstand “deep arm” to just mean “able to zip it downfield”.
Anyway, I’m really unsure about what you’re saying here. It’s not a good throw, so just note it’s not a good throw and move along to the next one. Like any good or bad throw, it’s a part of the big picture. You can’t ignore bad ones, you can’t ignore good ones. No reason to dismiss anything as “nitpicking”. I’m not sure what you’re arguing to do with it otherwise.
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by Thomas Beekers on Oct 31, 2011 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I see alot more inconsistancy with Jones
but thats just what i see
by Dominic Matlock on Oct 31, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Barkley is a good pick
Even if we give up a lot for him.
by montanamikey on Oct 31, 2011 12:19 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Is he really considerably better than Sanchez?
I think he is clearly the better of the two, but I’m not sure he’s worth giving up the farm for. I was impressed with his performance against ND, but I’m not completely sold. He has nice touch, and certainly a stronger arm than Sanchez, but I don’t see the prodigious talent of RGIII.
It wouldn't necessarily have to be the farm
Throw in JForce, CW, Tate (maybe), and perhaps a 4-5th rounder to get in perfect position. This is me the non-draft analyst and relatively uninformed draft trade guru speaking.
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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Oct 31, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I think that trade seems a lot like when
the Jets traded like Peyton Hillis Chauncey Stuckey a couple other players and a late round pick to Cleveland. But I think it was basically cause Mangini wanted his players comin with em to Cleveland.
If it came between a farm for Barkley or RGIII, I would just take Griffin.
There is also the possibility that Griffin leaps ahead of Barkley in many teams QB rankings and gets selected first.
by B.B.Finnegan on Oct 31, 2011 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
We would need Miami to get Luck
and the Colts to come in second for a shot at Barkley. RG3 is really starting to grow on me.
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by Lo Pann on Oct 31, 2011 2:21 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I watched the first half of last weeks Baylor game
Beforethey scored any points. The INTs didnt look like they were his fault. Except I think one was thrown behind the WR. Thats about all Ive really seen of em. So Id love to see one of these of him.
Here's him vs Texas A & M
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I think a trade up for a Shiny New Can't Miss QB will cost us Big Time.
I think the league will see us coming. As in, Seahawks want to trade up baadddd.
Factor in competition in the bidding from other QB needy teams, and maybe we’d be better off sitting on our very own, fairly high First Round Pick and use it on Robert Griffin.
(Does all this QB speculation mean we might not make the playoffs this year)?
by broadbill birdwatcher on Oct 31, 2011 2:25 PM PDT reply actions
Barkley doesnt seem very accurate
A lot of his throws just seem a little off, even if they were completions. Those windows will be a lot smaller in the NFL. I do like how he goes through his progressions though. He already reads defenses better than Charlie and his tunnel vision on WRs.
Barkley had a decent game
But USC is a run first team. So they don’t depend on his arms. Besides the great plays he had a few lousy ones too. His biggest mistake was to focus on one receiver and let the defense read his eyes.
by AlaskaHawk on Oct 31, 2011 3:41 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
USC hasn't had a run game all year up until the Stanford game.
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by hazbro24 on Oct 31, 2011 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
In the spirit of Halloween
i watched the chucky movies (bad i know, but the wife hadn’t seen them). In Child’s Play 3 the main character, Andy Barkley, goes to boot camp where he finds Harold Aubrey Whitehurst tied up in the closet.
Creepingly fitting is it not?? Barkley shows up to bail out Whitehurst who cant handle his situation HAHA.
by Dominic Matlock on Oct 31, 2011 3:46 PM PDT reply actions
dont want him as a 1st rounder
weak arm, seems to overshoot players, inaccurate, doesn’t seem to know where to place the ball – lack of depth of his vision?
the way we are playing in the nfl we might have a good chance of drafting him in our round
i do like his scrambling ability, recognize pressure, and composure.
We cant get him
The top 4 QB taken in order:
- Indy 0-16 = Luck
- Miami 0-16 = Barkley
- Denver 2-14 = Jones.
- Seattle 4-12 = Tennehill.
Indy would be crazy not to pick up a QB at #1 or #2
sorry, i would go for RG3.
The kid poses problems for any D. Hope his stock don’t go any higher…. Super underated.
by paytonrex on Oct 31, 2011 10:17 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
sorry, i would go for RG3.
The kid poses problems for any D. Hope his stock don’t go any higher…. Super underated.
by paytonrex on Oct 31, 2011 10:17 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
sorry, i would go for RG3.
The kid poses problems for any D. Hope his stock don’t go any higher…. Super underated.
by paytonrex on Oct 31, 2011 10:17 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
You must hate mobile posting now
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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Oct 31, 2011 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
best line ever
I need to stop watching film of Barkley, because I’m gonna fall way too in love with him, then I’ll lose out on him, because Seattle sports fans can’t have nice things.
how do you think I feel seeing him every day!?
by Scott Enyeart on Nov 3, 2011 10:17 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs

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