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Defense Keeps Seattle in, but Offense Refuses to Score, 34-12

This game was reminiscent of the Seahawks-Niners or Seahawks-Browns games, and might be the story of the season: the defense does enough to keep us in, but the offense refuses to do enough to keep up even with these fairly mediocre offenses. And like the Niners game, the end-score really doesn't represent the difference between the two teams on the field, with 14 Bengals points coming near the end on a punt return and a pick six.

The Bengals dink-and-dunk offense was kept in check for most of the game, Andy Dalton producing 5.8 YPA and only had 29 throws. I don't know about the rest of you, but he showed little to me that made me regret passing on him. And while Bernard Scott pulled off a few nice runs where his speed was too much for our defensive lineman, he was kept to 3.5 YPC. The Bengals tried picking on Richard Sherman and that worked well for a while, but they ended up paying for it when Sherman had one interception and then later on punched a ball out of A.J. Green's hands for Kam Chancellor's interception. Our cornerbacks were not nearly as bad as I had feared, though I could do without the costly pass interference penalties. The Bengals offensive line struggled with our defensive line at times, needing to hold several times, but Dalton showed enough escapability to prevent the pass rush from totally crippling their offense, sacked only once.

Andy Dalton's job seemed mostly to not make mistakes, and he failed at that in throwing multiple interceptions. He was unimpressive otherwise, though the 43-yard TD throw to A.J. Green near the end of the second half was a thing of beauty, with Green outrunning Earl Thomas. Just one of those plays where top-tier talents go head-to-head and one comes out on top.

Special teams were a big factor, with long kicks from Nugent and Hauschka. Hauschka delivered on a bad hold, which was excellent. Less excellent was the return game. Washington had some nice returns but didn't take any all the way on numerous opportunities. On the other side, Pacman Jones and Brandon Tate looked pretty damn good all day, and when the Seahawks showed terrible coverage on a punt, Tate took it to the house.

Star-divide

But the main topic should be offense (once again). Charlie Whitehurst started, and started terribly, producing two three-and-outs on three drives. His middle drive was alright, and could have resulted in a touchdown if not for a Sidney Rice drop and flag. That was quite a factor this game, Rice, Miller and others had key drops at exactly the wrong times, helping neither Whitehurst nor Tarvaris Jackson. But they made up for it, particularly Ben Obamanu, Sidney Rice (both 100-yard games) and the continually incredible Doug Baldwin (73 yards). Also not helping was our offensive line, James Carpenter and Robert Gallery once again standing out in a bad way.

Tarvaris Jackson did not start well either, but he was certainly a shot in the arm for the offense, with multiple big plays with the aforementioned receivers.  He produced 8.1 YPA, which is a great number from a quarterback, and marched the offense down the field on multiple drives. The running game didn't help until too late into the game, with some bad run-blocking and Marshawn Lynch producing a pathetic 1.5 yards per carry. But the biggest problem was finishing. Tarvaris produced two long drives in the 2nd and 3rd quarter that led us to the redzone, but we fell short of scoring touchdowns. Once on a run at the end of the first half, where the Bengals dubiously batted the ball away and could have been flagged for delay of game, and once in the third quarter that ended with a short Hauschka field goal. Those were costly misses from our up-and-down defense, which never managed to properly grab any momentum in the game.

But despite all that, after our fourth quarter touchdown the score was 17-12. The Seahawks attempted a two point conversion, a good decision in my opinion because it showed the coaches having more faith in the defense than in the offense, which is a hard to argue against. The two pointer failed, and the game escaped our grasp after that: a field goal, a punt returned for a touchdown and a pick six. The field goal was discouraging, but those others plays are the type that just kind of happen, salt in the wound, rather than telling on the quality of our team in any structural way.

And believe it or not, our offense produced 411 yards versus 252 of the Bengals. The yardage was there, but the touchdowns weren't, through a combination of bad decisions and unfortunate plays. This game was very discouraging on first viewing, because it was such a frustrating watch, but my first impression is that - with all said and done - a) our defense once again performed really well against a run-focused dink-and-dunk offense and b) our offense failed to score, and that certainly won't do, but they showed real signs of life under Tarvaris Jackson. He definitely impressed considering his shorter preparation time and the fact that he was still injured, which is promising for the rest of the season assuming he can keep it up. I wouldn't expect our rungame to improve against the top run defense Cowboys next week, though, and while Lynch is certainly a factor, our offensive line is not nearly as good at run blocking as it should be.

The 49ers are now 6-1, and with no other NFC West team having more than two wins, they are all but guaranteed to win the NFC West this season. And that's sort of ok by me, as the other teams duke it out for draft position.

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The fact that Jackson threw for over 300 and played pretty well overall almost makes me more concerned.

I still think we need a QB in the draft, but games like this make me feel there are many other holes to fill as well.

by MFAN on Oct 30, 2011 5:11 PM PDT reply actions  

i can live with Jackson.

seriously, I think there is the process of these guys just needing the time to know each other long enough to send each other Christmas Cards… and building depth. I would love to see all pro lineman be the thing to chase at this point.

by Zak Venturo on Oct 30, 2011 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like Jackson also but,

I believe we are set for the most part on the o-line, we have put a lot of resources into it and they are still young.

by sensual vegetable on Oct 30, 2011 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I feel like we don't need THAT many more pieces to be a contender

so…we should trade up and get 3-5 total picks in the first 3 rounds

Heresy grows from idleness.

by Corax --Nevermore-- on Oct 30, 2011 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Our OL can't block

…but it constitutes a lot of “resources,” so I guess that’s ok.

The pass blocking was sporadically accpetable at best, and the run blocking truly bad. As far as I could tell NONE of it was on Lynch.

Cable is no miracle worker. That much is clear. And he’s not making it any easier to take by saying things like “they are starting to get it, really improving, etc.”’ If they are rookies and are going to suck, just say nothing and leave it at that. But that line got handled today. Embarassingly bad. The only question is whether they will get better fast enough to keep any quarterbacks and running backs we put back there off the IR.

Tarvaris did very well under the curcumstances. We can win with him. We can win with Lynch. We can win with our WR and TE corp (Baldwin is a true find—holy crap the man is a player!). We can win with our defense as a whole (although it reverted to poor form on third downs again today). We cannot win with our current OL.

by Hawkdawg on Oct 30, 2011 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Blocking does seem like the olines biggest weakness.

I just don’t believe we need to draft more than 2 linemen within the first day. A guard would be nice.

by sensual vegetable on Oct 30, 2011 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

is it just me

Or did blocking seem to do alot better when gallery wasnt in? shouldnt he help the line? but seems when he is in he has a negative affect

by Dominic Matlock on Oct 30, 2011 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

It makes me less concerned

Because I kind of feel a lot of that production shows Pete’s setting up talent around the quarterback works like it should, even with less-than-ideal talent like Whitehurst.

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by Thomas Beekers on Oct 30, 2011 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Exactly.

When we do get a QB in the draft next year, he’ll have a solid team around him.

"You SUCK, Keary Colbert! You should be selling insurance. INSURANCE, Keary!
-Random drunk Hawks fan in Miami after watching Keary Colbert drop another wide-open pass.

It's Great To Be a Florida Gator!

by Wayward Llama on Oct 30, 2011 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I said that earlier as well to a friend.

TJ is a gamer for sure. Tough, competitive, has skills to make plays. If our OL play was better, I think Jackson could put up points pretty regularly. He probably isn’t in the running for franchise quarterback going forward, but he definitely can hold down the fort while we look and wait for a young qb.

by GriffinNW on Oct 30, 2011 5:19 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

What do you suppose we do then?

We can’t draft a guy in the middle of the year or trade for one at this point.

by GriffinNW on Oct 30, 2011 5:25 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

I'm not saying they need to get one now.

But they do need to get one this off-season. If they go another year without addressing quarterback, someone is going to get fired.

by BrianL on Oct 30, 2011 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree, and I think they will bring someone in or have someone in place.

Or I hope they do this… Though TJ has shown some flashes of being good, I think our FO knows we still need to go out and get someone else too.

by GriffinNW on Oct 30, 2011 5:31 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

No.

No we shouldn’t have.

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by hazbro24 on Oct 30, 2011 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I was being facetious.

I understand that QB is the most important position but I believe that relative to what other teams are doing the choices we have made on QB are not that bad.

by sensual vegetable on Oct 30, 2011 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

If they don't get a QB this offseason, I swear to god that I will not watch this team next year.

I will boycott them the same way I boycotted the 2004 team after Hasselbeck’s “We want the ball” fiasco.

I was so angry with them that I didn’t watch all of 2004 and didn’t tune back in until week 3 of 2005 when we thumped the Cardinals like 40-10 or something.

"You SUCK, Keary Colbert! You should be selling insurance. INSURANCE, Keary!
-Random drunk Hawks fan in Miami after watching Keary Colbert drop another wide-open pass.

It's Great To Be a Florida Gator!

by Wayward Llama on Oct 30, 2011 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I loved "we want the ball"

but yeah, I’m starting to wonder how I’m going to get through another year of QB play like this one.

by Nate Dogg on Oct 30, 2011 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Boycott the team? Really? Seems hasty.

This sounds stupid, but your username sounds like a distant cousin of Fearless Frog (Adjective + Animal). I know you’re not FF, but it’s worth noting.

I respect your opinion even though it's wrong.

by SSreporters on Oct 30, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

"we want the ball"

would have been more tolerable if my mouth wasn’t still bitter from the Engram drop in the end zone against the Rams.

SS, I’m just tired of watching this shit, man. 08, 09, 10, and now 2011. Working on four years straight of just being outright pathetic offensively. Running game is abysmal. Passing game is laughable. I really, truly feel like we are a solid QB away from being a competitive team. The defense kills itself out there and gets turnovers and forces punts and here comes fucking Charlie or Tarvarious, overthrowing Baldwin, expecting Rice to reach five yards out of bounds to snag a ball, dancing in the pocket, staring guys down like they are lingerie league WR’s.

I’ve been thinking for three years now "Wow, there is no way we don’t bring in a (young) QB. Finally Pete gets here, and I’m like “Dude I know Carroll is going to bring in someone to sling the fucking pigskin.”

 So PC/JS get here and bring in Charlie and I’m thinking “Who’s this jackoff? Oh, it’s that guy who isn’t better than Billy Volek that I made fun of when we played them in the preseason and called him Zoltar because he looks like some shitty wizard or gypsy or something. Oh well, at least he’s probably a better QB than Seneca Wallace…which is kind of like saying he’s a better QB than me, but whatever. I’m tired of the Senesack and the Senerunoutofbounds.” Then another year passes and it’s pretty obvious that Hasselbeck is going to limp off into the sunset. And another draft passes without getting a QB. Oh, and we’re going to fire our OC and bring in this mediocre guy from Minnesota along with his mediocre QB…..yadda yadda you get the point. I’m going to have hot chocolate.

"You SUCK, Keary Colbert! You should be selling insurance. INSURANCE, Keary!
-Random drunk Hawks fan in Miami after watching Keary Colbert drop another wide-open pass.

It's Great To Be a Florida Gator!

by Wayward Llama on Oct 30, 2011 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

Ah, got those switched around.

"You SUCK, Keary Colbert! You should be selling insurance. INSURANCE, Keary!
-Random drunk Hawks fan in Miami after watching Keary Colbert drop another wide-open pass.

It's Great To Be a Florida Gator!

by Wayward Llama on Oct 31, 2011 3:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

i don't understand your logic

“we want the ball” solidified my love for this team. it showed how much confidence matt had that this no-name team from seattle could come in and beat green bay.

they didn’t… but it only made me more excited for the next season… which ended in bobby dropping the ball… but that just got me even more excited for the next season… which ended in a terrible super bowl.

i don’t mind if season’s end poorly as long as there is some definitive sign of extreme passion that promises that next year will be better.

2003 was matt walking off the field looking more pissed than any person could be
2004 was matt laying on his knees punching the ground.

you missed out on some good (albeit heart breaking) stuff that made the super bowl even sweeter.

i won’t boycott this team… but i don’t feel like we are anywhere close to having our moment of, “next year is going to be better”

by clarka on Oct 30, 2011 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

My love for this team doesn't waver.

Yes, Hasselbeck’s confidence (arrogance?). Then terrible receiver Alex Bannister screws his route up and there is a pick six. It’s pretty much Seattle football in a nutshell.

Like I said, I love this team more than any rational guy should.

Daughter
Wife
Seahawks

I don’t mind losing, I mind looking completely inept. I’m glad that Tarvaris is looking a little better, despite his obvious shortcomings. But Charlie shouldn’t start again and should be released this offseason. I’m through. If TJack gets hurt again, put in Portis, see what the kid can do. He surely can’t do any worse than Charlie.

"You SUCK, Keary Colbert! You should be selling insurance. INSURANCE, Keary!
-Random drunk Hawks fan in Miami after watching Keary Colbert drop another wide-open pass.

It's Great To Be a Florida Gator!

by Wayward Llama on Oct 31, 2011 3:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

You're bluffing!

You’ll give the Seahawks the silent treatment, but take her back 3 weeks later when she knocks on your door at 11 PM, giving you puppy dog eyes.

by HititHere on Oct 31, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Probably.

I’m a sucker.

"You SUCK, Keary Colbert! You should be selling insurance. INSURANCE, Keary!
-Random drunk Hawks fan in Miami after watching Keary Colbert drop another wide-open pass.

It's Great To Be a Florida Gator!

by Wayward Llama on Oct 31, 2011 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Which is why I disagree with Sando

that PC should be coaching like his job depends on winning the next game. Honestly, he shouldn’t be, because that would be counter-productive. If his risk/reward evaluation on things like that 4th-and-2 call isn’t based on whether or not it will help him win the game, but on what he’s trying to do to develop the team for next season — well, I can’t say for sure if that’s the case (and I can see why he wouldn’t want to come right out and say it if it is), but that’s probably the right approach.

by The Ancient Mariner on Oct 31, 2011 6:47 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

If Carroll seriously considers the thought of "wait"

He needs to be fired. I’m not interested in a 2nd regime not bothering to address the future with a young QB.

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by SSreporters on Oct 30, 2011 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am not as down on this team as some.

We have just been getting bad bounces and we are not good enough to overcome them yet. Things will even out.

by sensual vegetable on Oct 30, 2011 5:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Wow, that yardage difference is striking.

Didn’t quite feel like that. The difference in YPA is less surprising, I more or less expected about those figures & difference.

Head of catering.

by jacobstevens on Oct 30, 2011 5:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Hm

I felt like in the 2nd half, particularly in the end of the 3rd quarter to the beginning of the 4th, the big play threat from Tjack to a WR was always, consistently there. This is TJack’s third straight game where he’s looked semi-competent to averagebly good, so I think all he has to do is prove consistency. He had great ball placement on multiple throws, unfortunately our WRs weren’t able to come down with the balls

Heresy grows from idleness.

by Corax --Nevermore-- on Oct 30, 2011 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

He also had horrendous ball placement on multiple throws.

I’m surprised so many people are suddenly coming out in support of Tarvarious. Yeah, he looks good compared to Whitehurst, but he’s still incredibly bad.

"You SUCK, Keary Colbert! You should be selling insurance. INSURANCE, Keary!
-Random drunk Hawks fan in Miami after watching Keary Colbert drop another wide-open pass.

It's Great To Be a Florida Gator!

by Wayward Llama on Oct 30, 2011 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've been a Tarvaris...well, not supporter, but a 'chancer'

I think he had more ‘good’ throws than ‘bad throws’.

Heresy grows from idleness.

by Corax --Nevermore-- on Oct 30, 2011 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think he's improved slightly

but watching him repeatedly overthrow guys is frustrating.

"You SUCK, Keary Colbert! You should be selling insurance. INSURANCE, Keary!
-Random drunk Hawks fan in Miami after watching Keary Colbert drop another wide-open pass.

It's Great To Be a Florida Gator!

by Wayward Llama on Oct 30, 2011 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

It seems like he's developing rapport with other WRs to me

He had some really good throws, and I feel like the number of those throws is increasing every week.

Heresy grows from idleness.

by Corax --Nevermore-- on Oct 30, 2011 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

did you see...

All of his lineman being pushed in his face? I’m not arguing that he is the most accurate guy ever or even close, but he has shown the ability to get it to guys in tight windows when he has a good pocket around him.

by YPbeau on Oct 30, 2011 11:23 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

Yeah, o-line wasn't the best.

But he’s struggled when the o-line played well.

"You SUCK, Keary Colbert! You should be selling insurance. INSURANCE, Keary!
-Random drunk Hawks fan in Miami after watching Keary Colbert drop another wide-open pass.

It's Great To Be a Florida Gator!

by Wayward Llama on Oct 31, 2011 3:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

TJax wasn't the reason we lost; hell, he (and the defense) were the reason we were in the game in the first place.

There was A LOT of orange if Tarvaris’s face in this game, and more than one dropped passes that were the fault of the receivers alone. Our o-line played atrocious, and if we can’t block then we can’t move the ball down the field consistently which means our defense is on the field way too much and gets tired by the end of the game (although they weren’t at fault for the punt return TD, and after that the game was essentially over).

Let’s worry about the QBotF in the future, because right now the o-line is our #1 problem.

by J.L. White on Oct 31, 2011 2:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

The issue is that

Let’s worry about the QBotF in the future, because right now the o-line is our #1 problem. has been the refrain for the past five years. First rounder last year. First and second rounders this year. They are trying to fix the o-line, and I think that with a normal off-season, they would be much, much better. How to fix the problems with this line? I see bad protection from RT and mediocre play from Gallery which we were warned about. So, another offseason, more learning from Carpenter, maybe another draft pick at LG, but they cannot “wait” any longer for the QBOTF.

"You SUCK, Keary Colbert! You should be selling insurance. INSURANCE, Keary!
-Random drunk Hawks fan in Miami after watching Keary Colbert drop another wide-open pass.

It's Great To Be a Florida Gator!

by Wayward Llama on Oct 31, 2011 3:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

At this point, what our OL needs is time and health

Adding more talent to it will no doubt be necessary at some point, but right now, it would be counterproductive. I don’t think anybody has any doubt that the next key piece to add is a talented young quarterback.

Though I do hope that when they do, they don’t stop working with Josh Portis. Keep developing the kid even if he’s not the Great Hawk Hope — insurance in case the #1 flames out, and a nice return in trade if he doesn’t.

by The Ancient Mariner on Oct 31, 2011 6:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oops, one correction

I should say, I don’t think too many people doubt we need a top QB prospect next. Obviously, there’s never unanimity about anything (as JLW’s comment shows).

by The Ancient Mariner on Oct 31, 2011 6:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think he's good

But even I am coming around on his potential to be a good stop-gap. All he has to prove, to me, is consistency. Yes, the errant throws are there, but no one is claiming he’s a great quarterback, as long as he’s good enough.

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by Thomas Beekers on Oct 30, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Incredibly bad?

Going back to the Falcons game, the moment that Jackson began to click in this offense, he’s put up the following numbers in basically 2 and a half games:

61% completion rate, 8.08 YPA.

That’s a very solid completion rate and an outstanding YPA rate. To put that in perspective, Aaron Rodgers YPA last year was 8.3. Matt Hasselbeck’s was 6.75.

by Kip Earlywine on Oct 31, 2011 2:35 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Just got done watching this on dvr.

Man, I’m sick of watching this team. The defense plays its tail off, the offense can’t do anything. Get a young stud at QB, replace Gallery, hope that Big 75 improves even more in the offseason, and for gods sakes stop starting Marshawn Lynch.

"You SUCK, Keary Colbert! You should be selling insurance. INSURANCE, Keary!
-Random drunk Hawks fan in Miami after watching Keary Colbert drop another wide-open pass.

It's Great To Be a Florida Gator!

by Wayward Llama on Oct 30, 2011 5:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Clearly the offense did something

they gained 411 yards, you know.

Heresy grows from idleness.

by Corax --Nevermore-- on Oct 30, 2011 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

The offense only started working when Seattle was down by double digits

This is a slow starting team on a weekly basis.

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by SSreporters on Oct 30, 2011 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

All about context.

When the bulk of your yards are coming once you’re down big, it’s not a sign your offense is working.

by BrianL on Oct 30, 2011 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fact: even when they were down it wasn't garbage time

as a result, you can’t discount the efficiency of this offense once they get going. Now, I will admit, they should be quicker at getting going.

Heresy grows from idleness.

by Corax --Nevermore-- on Oct 30, 2011 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fantastic. They gained 411 yards and scored 12 points.

"You SUCK, Keary Colbert! You should be selling insurance. INSURANCE, Keary!
-Random drunk Hawks fan in Miami after watching Keary Colbert drop another wide-open pass.

It's Great To Be a Florida Gator!

by Wayward Llama on Oct 30, 2011 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Clearly

a game winning effort.

"You SUCK, Keary Colbert! You should be selling insurance. INSURANCE, Keary!
-Random drunk Hawks fan in Miami after watching Keary Colbert drop another wide-open pass.

It's Great To Be a Florida Gator!

by Wayward Llama on Oct 30, 2011 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't mean to imply that they're tearing it up

merely to insinuate the fact that they the statement that they ’can’t do anything’ is not really a fact.

Heresy grows from idleness.

by Corax --Nevermore-- on Oct 30, 2011 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

And I didn't mean to sound snotty.

But I mean, yeah, 411 yards, cool. But we HAVE to start scoring. TJ has to start hitting open guys. The OC needs to put in Forsett or Leon once in a while.

"You SUCK, Keary Colbert! You should be selling insurance. INSURANCE, Keary!
-Random drunk Hawks fan in Miami after watching Keary Colbert drop another wide-open pass.

It's Great To Be a Florida Gator!

by Wayward Llama on Oct 30, 2011 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Justin Who? Leon Who?

It’s all about Lynch! He runs hard!

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by SSreporters on Oct 30, 2011 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Surprise attacks are for weenies.

"You SUCK, Keary Colbert! You should be selling insurance. INSURANCE, Keary!
-Random drunk Hawks fan in Miami after watching Keary Colbert drop another wide-open pass.

It's Great To Be a Florida Gator!

by Wayward Llama on Oct 30, 2011 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh there's a bunch of great quotes on uncyclopedia's page for Space Marines on that

“If you are not fighting hard enough, fight louder.”
“The best approach is always from the front.”
" If their flanks and front is both heavily defended but they are vulnerable to an aerial strike, distract them with aerial bombardment and then attack from the front."
" If attacking from the front is still not working, you’re obviously not attacking their front!"

Heresy grows from idleness.

by Corax --Nevermore-- on Oct 30, 2011 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

All of these quotes came from Seattle offensive coordinators

since 2006.

"You SUCK, Keary Colbert! You should be selling insurance. INSURANCE, Keary!
-Random drunk Hawks fan in Miami after watching Keary Colbert drop another wide-open pass.

It's Great To Be a Florida Gator!

by Wayward Llama on Oct 30, 2011 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

All great points

and I agree 100% with ‘we HAVE to start scoring’. Well, maybe bold and underline the word ‘HAVE’.

Heresy grows from idleness.

by Corax --Nevermore-- on Oct 30, 2011 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's what happens when the o-line plays like SHIT.

Not sure how you come away from this game bitching about the QB play; it’s not like they’re moving the NFL Draft up to next week. The Bengals were cutting through our blockers like swiss cheese, and even a 100-foot, gold-plated Andrew Luck would have trouble leading an offense through that.

by J.L. White on Oct 31, 2011 2:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

An outlier

Seattle didn’t have trouble scoring points against Atlanta or New York. They did against Cleveland, but only because Charlie Whitehurst actually is pretty horrible.

Seattle didn’t score today in large part to a retarded tuck rule, a baker’s dozen drops, and some clock management issues. At the end of the day I’m much more concerned about moving the ball. You gain 400+ yards with consistency, then good times are ahead.

by Kip Earlywine on Oct 31, 2011 2:39 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

They probably are

The clock management on that final 1st half drive was excellent all the way up to that unfortunate timeout with 14 seconds left. In general, it feels like PC has done a mostly good job with the 2 minute offense in his time here, though a closer observation could prove that incorrect.

Rice and Miller are not known for drops. Anthony McCoy is having a brutal season for drops, but he’s the only guy on the roster I expect to drop passes on a regular basis.

by Kip Earlywine on Oct 31, 2011 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with you. This is a hard team to watch.

I had dvr’d the huskies game on Saturday and should have watched that instead. I don’t see this team winning another game this year. The good part of that is that we will finally get the QBOTF.

Oh yeah…..I remember thinking during the game; “Sure am glad Pete passed on Dalton, that would have SUCKED!”

(yes, sarcasm)

by Michael Harp on Oct 31, 2011 6:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

You don't see the Seahawks winning another game this year?

If this is a 2 – 14 team, I’ll eat my tie. There are several games against the Cardinals and Rams left, at the very least.

Tarvaris Jackson actually played better than Dalton, in many regards. Dalton would not be the answer for this team.

by HititHere on Oct 31, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Tavaris had to air it out

because they were down 14. All Dalton had to do was dink and dunk and run out the 4th quarter. Definitely not Dalton’s best game, but winning in Seattle is very tough and setting the tone early with the FG and TD to Simpson was huge. Not sure he would be the “answer” in Seattle (mostly because there are other areas holding the team back) but I sure like him in Cincinnati

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by Derftron on Oct 31, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

He seems like a good fit in Cincy

I just don’t think we should regret passing on him, the same way we shouldn’t regret passing on Sanchez.

I also think we’ll win at least a handful more games. We’re inconsistent, but like we showed against the Falcons and Giants, when the team clicks it can do good things. Cincy and Cleveland are both surprisingly good this year. We’ll stumble into a few more wins. Losing 2 in a row in pretty ugly fashion, with the backup QB starting, does not mean the sky is falling.

by HititHere on Oct 31, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

at some point

Seattle is going to have to draft a QB and develop him. This might be the year to do it with Landry Jones, Barkley, OK St. Qb, etc. etc. all being solid prospects

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by Derftron on Oct 31, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Absolutely... I hope they draft somebody this year

Jackson has started doing ok, but he really is just a stopgap.

by HititHere on Oct 31, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, I don't see this team as currently constituted

winning another game. They will be 2 and 14 and it will be a well deserved record. Can’t block. can’t run, can’t catch, can’t play punt coverage…..no, 2/3rds of this team is the worst in their respective areas that I have ever seen a Seahawks Offense or Special Teams. It IS however a rebuilding era and thing like this are to be expected. The offensive line is the crux of the offensive issues. Robert Gallery sucked before his injury, he sucks now. This kind of play I could excuse from the rookies. Not from Gallery. He needs to refund his pay and retire. Immediately. If Rice drops another handful of passes in the next game I’d bench his over-paid ass. How much longer is Butler out for? I’d take a starting two WR of Obo and Butler with BMW in the slot.

Defense….I am VERY HIGHLY impressed with BOTH of our young CB’s. Our safeties as well seem to be playing at a high level. The whole D really is quite good.

Marshawn Lynch….Minus one run against the Saints last year and one run at New York this year, why are people in love with the guy? I wouldn’t resign him. If they do he better be willing to take a pay cut. Draft a 2nd or 3rd round RB. Cut Force as well, he’s really not that impressive. No team in this league fears the Seahawks running attack.

Unless you are the Baltimore Ravens of a couple of years ago, you cannot win games on defense alone.

by Michael Harp on Nov 1, 2011 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hah, for real? You don't think this team can take the Rams at home?

Ok then.

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by Thomas Beekers on Nov 1, 2011 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Are you going to really tell me that you believe that our

Defense (as great as it is) can overcome a suck ass offense and an even worse Special Teams and beat the Rams all by itself?

Really?

by Michael Harp on Nov 1, 2011 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Rams have one of the worst defenses in this league

What are you basing your view of this offense on? Just these last two games? This offense has moved, y’know, it’s not remotely the worst offense in the league.

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by Thomas Beekers on Nov 2, 2011 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

According to this page

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats/byteam?group=Offense&cat=Total&conference=NFL&year=season_2011&sort=530&timeframe=

if you look at both yards per game and points per game, the Seattle Seahawks offense is horrible. Next to last in yards and near the bottom in points. So I must respectfully ask your definition of the term “remotely.”

by Michael Harp on Nov 3, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Those stats include Charlie's Cleveland Steamer

and the early struggles of the offense. You can’t seriously think that the offense hasn’t improved under TJ, can you?

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Nov 3, 2011 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I believe that the Cincy game

showed that the offense still has a long way to go.

by Michael Harp on Nov 4, 2011 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why wasn't the first half ending play reviewed?

I thought close plays inside 2 min get reviewed for free by the booth? I didn’t get a good look at Lynch’s knee on the play and they didn’t show the goal line cam on TV?? Why wasn’t that play reviewed. It looked pretty close on the angles they were willing to show.

by Dick5 on Oct 30, 2011 5:20 PM PDT reply actions  

This

either kick the field goal or throw the ball. so weird.

by spoonbill on Oct 30, 2011 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is hardly the first time Carroll's OC has done this nonsense

Bates last year called a QB draw with Hasselbeck at the 3 against the Chargers with no timeouts. Predictably they didn’t score and we got no points out of it, which made the end of that game a lot closer than it should’ve been.

I’m not looking for MENSA members, but the lack of critical thinking is killing me.

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by SSreporters on Oct 30, 2011 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd rather be irrational sometimes than predictable all the time.

It would be a different story if we were starting Captain Play-Action at QB and the Leaping Rockettes at TE, but I have no problem with the call, this time.

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by shams on Oct 30, 2011 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

The play was actually Tarvaris' responsibility

The play was supposed to be a run if the defense had a specific alignment, and a pass otherwise. Tarvaris recognized the alignment for run, and called the run play at the line. It almost worked. I know it looks ugly in retrospect, but Lynch very nearly scored and if the refs had been paying attention, Seattle would have had one more play.

A Bengal appeared to kick the ball intentionally to get an extra couple seconds, which is an automatic delay of game penalty. If you watched the broadcast closely you could even see PC mouth “you can’t do that!” to the refs. After the game he confirm as much by refering to the illegality of what the Bengals player did to the football. The sitting on Lynch is bad enough, but legal. Knocking the football away is not. Refs missed it.

by Kip Earlywine on Oct 31, 2011 2:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Okay we cannot trade Carlson now

Because McCoy is just complete ass. Not an effective blocker and him and Morrah of course had their usual cameo drop.

I counted 7-8 drops today. It sucks.

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by SSreporters on Oct 30, 2011 5:21 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, takes some of the blame off of Tarvarious.

Horrible drops today. McCoy has been a real disappointment to me because I was hoping on him being a draft day steal.

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by Wayward Llama on Oct 30, 2011 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Way too many of USC's offensive talent under Carroll end up failing/not meeting their potential in the NFL

Sanchez, Leinart, John David Booty, Bush, Jarrett, BMW is still a bust, Byrd, McCoy, Sam Baker, Kirtman, who else am I missing? The best USC offensive guy under Carroll is actually Palmer.

But on defense that school just produces beasts. Clay Matthews, Cushing, Polomalu, etc.

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by SSreporters on Oct 30, 2011 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah

Carroll came in I think at Palmer’s last year?

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Oct 30, 2011 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Carroll went to USC at 2001

So he pre-dates by a year.

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by SSreporters on Oct 30, 2011 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

That doesn't really mean anything in context of how he's played for the last year

the only reason he’s not having the year he did last time around is b/c the QBs aren’t getting him the ball.

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Oct 30, 2011 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

JaMarcus Russell is a bust. Ryan Leaf is a bust. etc etc etc.

Maybe BMW isn’t worth a top 10 pick. But given that his career clearly isn’t over, and that with a good qb (like Matt) who develops rapport with him means huge stats, he can’t be classified as a bust.

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Oct 30, 2011 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

65 catches for 750 yards is not huge stats.

If Jamarcus Russell comes back next year and completes 55% of his passes for 2500 yards, 15 TDs and 10 picks is he not a bust any more?

by Nate Dogg on Oct 30, 2011 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

*was* not *is*

My point being, you can’t continue to classify someone as a ‘bust’, because to me that implies being horrible in your entire career and just pooping.

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Oct 30, 2011 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes he can

Calvin Johnson had 78 catches for 12 touchdowns with QBs like Orlovsky, Kitna, and Culpepper at QB. Detroit went 0-16 that year.

Bad QB play is only half the story.

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by SSreporters on Oct 30, 2011 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just don't see how you can continue classify BMW as a bust

as far as his career goes. I’ll admit, he was not worth the top-10 pick at the time. But he’s clearly turned the corner and is on the rise.

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Oct 30, 2011 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's hard to say

He hasn’t had the chance to produce this year so if he only has one good year in him then it’s a clear sign of a bust.

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by SSreporters on Oct 30, 2011 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

So it's still up in the air.

We shall see, I suppose.

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Oct 30, 2011 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Curry has a good season next year.

Bust or not a bust?

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by hazbro24 on Oct 30, 2011 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

He just got traded for a 7th

Good season = 90 tackles, 5 sacks.

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by SSreporters on Oct 30, 2011 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not well versed in all the LB stats

but say he has a monster year. For us, he wasn’t worth that high of a pick, but if he produces killer years, then certainly he regains that ground he lost. In my opinion.

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Oct 30, 2011 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just because he's revived his career and had a good season doesn't mean he's not a bust.

He was the 10th overall pick and he sucked for three years and was out of football for two before having a decent season. That’s absolutely a bust.

by Nate Dogg on Oct 30, 2011 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

What's a bust who plays well in subsequent years, then?

Dunno a term for that, personally.

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Oct 30, 2011 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

See, and that's where I disagree

You may HAVE been a bust, but you are not a bust anymore

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Oct 30, 2011 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

maybe my definition of 'bust' is too broad

maybe it just means that you were not worth the top ten pick. In which case I concede the argument and say I’m wrong.

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Oct 30, 2011 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

So in which case he is a clear bust

for me, like I said, a bust is a career failure playing pro football.

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Oct 30, 2011 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Making him a draft bust

Not a career bust. There has to be a difference right?

by brugg on Oct 30, 2011 5:57 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah

I think my definition of ‘bust’ is a ‘career bust’ like you said, contrary to other people’s definition of ‘bust’, which is ‘draft bust’

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Oct 30, 2011 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

He wasn't producing in Detroit

Whether it’s his fault or not he was out of football for a reason.

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by SSreporters on Oct 30, 2011 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

But being defined as a 'bust' means that you stink all round, always, forever, period.

BMW made a comeback, and probably has several very productive years as a #2 wideout in front of him still.

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Oct 30, 2011 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree. This was BMW's chance to prove he could be a solid WR2

and I thought he might have a chance to be considered a low tier WR1. But he has been found wanting, horribly wanting.

this year he is less athletic than last year, he is less able to get even minimally open, and he has 9 catches and 89 yards in 5 games. Averaging 1.8 catches and 17.9 yards per game.

he is tied for 177th in the league in yards receiving and 182nd in receptions.

he has produced 1 more yard that Golden Tate on one less catch, same number of targets and touchdowns. these are the luminaries that are performing about the same as BMW this year : Kevin Ogletree, Roy Williams, Chad Ochocinco, Matt Willis, Jeremy Kerley, Naaman Roosevelt.

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by pqlqi on Oct 31, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

BMW is a bust for the Lions for the rest of time, even if he goes to the next 10 Pro Bowls.

That part of history has already been written, the moment the Lions released him back in 2007 or whatever; the same is true of Aaron Curry when we traded him to Oakland, and the same is true for Jim Plunkett when he left New England to begin his HOF career with the Raiders. In that context, Mike Williams is a bust.

The Seahawks, however, didn’t use the 10th overall pick to acquire Beamer. We brought him in at a minimal salary and he responded by becoming the Seahawks #1 receiver in 2010. Now, we did re-sign Williams to a (fairly meager) 3-year contract, and it’s still possible he’ll under-perform compared to the amount of money he’s making now, but (a.) it’s not like we’re anywhere near the salary cap with him around, and (b.) he’s still worth having around. Whatever happened during Beamer’s career before coming to Seattle is immaterial.

by J.L. White on Oct 31, 2011 2:29 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I like Tarvarious.

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by Wayward Llama on Oct 31, 2011 3:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the tip.

"You SUCK, Keary Colbert! You should be selling insurance. INSURANCE, Keary!
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by Wayward Llama on Oct 31, 2011 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd also like you to have this.

"You SUCK, Keary Colbert! You should be selling insurance. INSURANCE, Keary!
-Random drunk Hawks fan in Miami after watching Keary Colbert drop another wide-open pass.

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by Wayward Llama on Oct 31, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Carlson is on IR and then a FA

I don’t know how we’d trade him even if we wanted to.

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Oct 30, 2011 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I put quite a bit of this game on Pete Carroll.

From not starting Jackson even though he was healthy enough to play, to the flag fest of the first half, to the fiasco at the end of the half, to the special teams melt down the coaching and preperation just wasn’t good enough. They did seem to make some nice adjustments offensively coming out of half time but for the most part it seemed like the team had completely unravelled.

by Nate Dogg on Oct 30, 2011 5:22 PM PDT reply actions  

True

When your team hasn’t scored a TD in six quarters you take the 3 points. Maybe wasting the time out makes the other team commit slightly more to the pass because only an idiot would run with no time outs???

by Dick5 on Oct 30, 2011 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know we're a young team, but I can't help but wonder how much Carroll focuses

on discipline & reducing penalties. It’s pretty bad right now.

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by jacobstevens on Oct 30, 2011 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would like to see our D

Play with a lead for a change. I am sure they would be even better if they ever got to play with a lead.

by Dick5 on Oct 30, 2011 5:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Weird weird game.

was pretty confusing at CenturyLink. Serious lack of replay on lots of penalized plays in the first half and very poor explanations from the refs.

by spoonbill on Oct 30, 2011 5:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Went to the grocery store after the game, and on the radio

some clown called in and compared Carroll to Josh McDaniels at Denver. Said we had a good team before Carroll came in and blew everything up and ruined the franchise. Really wanted his head.

Hilarious.

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by hazbro24 on Oct 30, 2011 5:26 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Did he mean that "good" team

that was 4-12 and 5-11 in the two seasons prior to his first season?

by EvilSammy on Oct 30, 2011 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I saw that. Sack Tebow, commence Tebowing.

Epic.

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by hazbro24 on Oct 30, 2011 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

If that's the case...

There will be a lot of Tebowing in the weeks to come.

by Buster! on Oct 31, 2011 2:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Speaking of busts......

Tebow will be figured out pretty soon.

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by SSreporters on Oct 30, 2011 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've been a huge Tebow hater the past few weeks

but now that he is actually failing, I feel kind of bad for him. I think I was mostly just pissed at the Denver “fans” that booed Kyle Orton off the field. The guy was a scapegoat for the poor performance of an entire team, and I think could have been a serviceable starter (a la Jay Cutler).

by Trudy Beekman on Oct 30, 2011 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Granted, Denver fans have gotten a lot of attention recently, but MAN that fanbase just seems to be ignorant. Booing Orton off the field and chanting for Tebow.

He should never have been a first rounder.

by HititHere on Oct 31, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

haha

"You SUCK, Keary Colbert! You should be selling insurance. INSURANCE, Keary!
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by Wayward Llama on Oct 31, 2011 4:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

What the hell happened on that backwards pass?

I was in a bar with no volume, so I didnt really understand the call. Was it the tuck rule or some bullshit? I was raging pretty hard.

by Steeeve on Oct 30, 2011 5:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Tuck rule

play is dead right there — incomplete pass

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by dcrockett17 on Oct 30, 2011 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tuck rule makes it so an accidental backwards pass is a forward pass

Probably wouldn’t have changed the game since the ref was in the way and prevented it from being a safety or TD but a retarded ruling indeed

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by SSreporters on Oct 30, 2011 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

It’s actually already listed on the “Tuck Rule” Wikipedia page. Damn the internet age is fast.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuck_rule

by Steeeve on Oct 30, 2011 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

The second time for Dalton.

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by hazbro24 on Oct 30, 2011 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Does the rule really take into account backward passes, or just incomplete forward passes/fumbles?

It seems to me that a backward pass is a backward pass, regardless of the Tuck Rule. At the very least, it should be Intentional Grounding.

The ref stopping the ball with his crotch is just typical for Seattle.

by Groundhog on Oct 31, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bengals Fan here

Andy Dalton wasnt fantastic today, but there is good reason why people are excited about him and why you SHOULD regret passing on him. In his first year in the NFL, he is ranked as the 12th-14th best QB in the league with no offseason , etc. etc. Dude is legit. Neither of the INTs were that bad, as they both served as basically punts that pinned Seattle inside their own 10 and AJ Green should have had 1 of them. That said, he needs to improve over the next few years and not turn into Joe Flacco 2.0.

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by Derftron on Oct 30, 2011 10:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Time will tell, Derftron 3030.

Nice win today. Stout DL play.

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by shams on Oct 30, 2011 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Congrats to the Bengals

The best team won today. The Bengals’ DL was great. Dalton looks pretty good. But so did Kitna early in his career. We’ll just have to wait and see. But I’d be excited about his potential if I were a Bengals fan.

by Nshima on Oct 30, 2011 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry, but I don't see it

He had a very nice pass to AJ Green for 6. Outside of that throw, I was wildly unimpressed (and have been) and am very happy we didn’t spend a first rounder on him. He has done “ok” in a very simple, high percentage offense on a team with good talent against a very easy schedule thus far. There is a reason that many QB needy teams didn’t pounce on him in round 1. He’s a guy you plug in, not build around.

Please don’t mistake this as “hating” on the guy, but I just see limited physical ability (which will be a huge detriment in that division with that weather). He seems to be a little bit of a “gun slinger” as well, but I think that will lead to high turnovers in the future as he doesn’t have the arm strength to “get away with it.” Now, arm strength isn’t everything, but I just see a very limited QB who needs a lot around him to be successful. Luckily, the Bengals have some serious offensive talent with a pretty good OL as well as top notch weapons in Gresham and Green. Will that be enough? Only time will tell.

Like I said, don’t interpret this as baselessly “hating” on a guy, but I just am really happy we didn’t settle for him in round 1 as I see a ceiling of “middle of the road” starter. I could be totally wrong, but I have see nothing so far that leads me to think otherwise. *To give him credit, he has made some nice plays, but he doesn’t really pass the eye ball test to me.

by MTJ on Oct 31, 2011 7:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can understand that

If yesterday and 30 second hilight packages was all I saw of Dalton, I wouldnt be wowed either. But here is the thing, he has lead multiple drives at the end of games to win and isnt making the terrible mistakes that many rookies do. He must be viewed in the context that he is a rookie with little-to-NO offseason program. Other than Cam, he is head and shoulders above the other QBs that were drafted, and to be rated/ranked as a top 12-14 QB out of the gate is good enough for a lot of Bengals fans. Remember, lots of QBs look very shaky in their first few seasons, including some of the best in the league right now (Brees, Rodgers, Ryan, etc.) To complete over 60% of throws as a rookie and have more TDs than INTs makes us Bengals fans happy, as well as the fact that he can finish of a lot of drives with TDs and not Field goals. Lots of QBs play well between the 20s, its nice to have a guy that can finish too.

The other big thing is that he is extending plays, which is something Carson could never do because he runs a 7.8 – 40 time. Dalton is no Mike Vick, but having the ability to break the pocket is huge in the NFL.

Again, time will tell with Dalton. Its all about improving over the next few years, but I will take his start for sure

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by Derftron on Oct 31, 2011 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

You do realize that Palmer ran a 4.63 forty, right?

For comparison, Cam Newton ran a 4.56 and Jake Locker ran a 4.59.

by Matt Erickson on Oct 31, 2011 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

That was before his knees got shredded

Not really relevant anymore

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by Thomas Beekers on Oct 31, 2011 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Joe Flacco? He's not even remotely like Joe Flacco

Also, rookies usually look better before opposing teams get enough tape on them. I’d be very nervous about both Cam Newton and Andy Dalton in the coming weeks.

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by Thomas Beekers on Oct 31, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm coming around on Dalton.

I was surprised by his pocket presence on several occasions. TJ has this little fire drill he does for about half a second after he has pulled the ball down but before he is going to scramble. That little fire drill ends in a sack about half the time. So annoying!

Dalton had none of that.

His arm, however, looks limited for the deep ball. Or even semi-deep ball.

by Harvey Manfrengenson on Oct 31, 2011 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

His pocket presence and ability to extend plays while looking down the field impressed me

And that’s it. That’s not enough.

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by Thomas Beekers on Oct 31, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Those are things you don't typically get from a rookie.

That’s why I think he’ll at least be a good starter. At least.

by djafrot on Oct 31, 2011 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I needed a good laugh so I went to the Raiders to check our old friend Aarron C.

They have this highlight video of him running around like he did here (Bull in the china shop) & the only hit he really made was in a down players back (w/helmet) personal foul . And he’s now listed behind groves on the depth chart but they still pulled a major coup in their eyes. Funny shit. God I still hate the Raiders.

by Richard fg7 on Oct 30, 2011 11:11 PM PDT reply actions  

His first game

a SURE int hit him right in the hands and he dropped it.

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by Wayward Llama on Oct 31, 2011 4:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

You know what I hate about the team this year?

The fact that they’re constantly making me angry.

The 2011 season thus far has been an endless parade of disintegrating pockets, non-existent run-blocking, punt return TDs, first half 3 & Outs, dropped passes, Brandon Browner PI penalties, punts from the opponent’s 34-yard line, flags for holding or false start on nearly every drive, and being outgained 350-120 with time of possession being something like 42-18. I realize this is a young team that had almost no time together before the season started due to the lockout, but watching these guys trip over their own feet week after week after week is about as frustrating as anything I’ve ever had to experience with this team.

Just one game, maybe even two, where things go relatively smoothly, would be nice. Is that too much to ask?

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by Hmph on Oct 31, 2011 12:04 PM PDT reply actions  

I hear talk about QB of the future...

but tell me who the front office should have gotten to satisfy that need. None of the guys available where they drafted seemed worth the pick. I would rather we get potential superstars at other positions than Mark Sanchez or Andy Dalton or spend way to much on guys like Kolb or Palmer. We have to recognize that the last couple QB classes have been pretty bad with the exception of the guys at the top and next years class is pretty fricken deep. I for one am glad that PC/JS didn’t make a rash decision based on “need” and draft a mediocre QB that would have gotten murdered this year behind a young offensive line searching for consistency.

by YPbeau on Oct 31, 2011 3:31 PM PDT reply actions  

This FO hasn't been in place for 5 years

and, even if it was, investing a high pick on a QB in the 2007 or 2008 draft makes very little sense, given Hasselbeck’s production in 2005 and 2007. I understand you’re frustrated with the QB situation, but please try to make some sense with your arguments.

FYI, here are the top QBs available to us our highest pick (and most are horrible or unproven):

2007 – Isaiah Stanback, Jeff Rowe, Troy Smith (no first, Kolb and Beck gone in the early 2nd)
2008 – Joe Flacco (if we traded 11 spots to the #17), Brian Brohm, Chad Henne, Kevin O’Connell
2009 – Mark Sanchez, Josh Freeman, Pat White, Stephen McGee
2010 – Tim Tebow, Jimmy Clausen, Colt McCoy, Mike Kafka
2011 – Andy Dalton, Colin Kaepernick, Ryan Mallett, Rick Stanzi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_NFL_Draft
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_NFL_Draft
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_NFL_Draft
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_NFL_Draft
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_NFL_Draft

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Oct 31, 2011 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

The only QB here I wish we had taken in retrospect was Josh Freeman instead of Curry,

but there are probably 100 players I wish we had taken with that pick instead of Curry, and as far as players between Curry and Freeman, I would have preferred Raji to Freeman at the time of the draft. Unfortunately, like me, our FO drank the Curry coolaid before the draft, and didn’t draft a decent player. I think given the difference between the Jets OL and Defense, Sanchez would have performed far worse here than he has in NY, and that has been less than impressive.

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by pqlqi on Oct 31, 2011 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

In retrospect yes

but we would have killed Ruskell, more than we already did and do, for making that pick. Don’t feel bad, we all drank the kool aid.

by YPbeau on Nov 1, 2011 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure yet that next year's QB class is particularly outstanding

Especially if Barkley doesn’t declare

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by Thomas Beekers on Oct 31, 2011 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Question.

What IF question.

What if someone like Barkley really liked a certain coach or team? Could be skip the draft and just get signed as an UDFA? Are there rules against this?

"You SUCK, Keary Colbert! You should be selling insurance. INSURANCE, Keary!
-Random drunk Hawks fan in Miami after watching Keary Colbert drop another wide-open pass.

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by Wayward Llama on Nov 1, 2011 4:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes. You're not eligible to play in the NFL until you pass the draft/supplemental draft process

Bernie Kosar and the Browns famously created a bit of a loophole, as he declared too late for the regular draft and the Browns, by the rules then, ensured by way of trade that they had the top supplemental pick. But that’s not possible anymore.

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by Thomas Beekers on Nov 1, 2011 5:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cool, thanks.

"You SUCK, Keary Colbert! You should be selling insurance. INSURANCE, Keary!
-Random drunk Hawks fan in Miami after watching Keary Colbert drop another wide-open pass.

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by Wayward Llama on Nov 3, 2011 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

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