DraftWatch - Week 8
by Hmph on Nov 1, 2011 9:13 AM PDT
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UPI/John Angelillo - The Miami Dolphins heroically walk out of MetLife Stadium knowing that they successfully prevented the Indianapolis Colts from having the only winless record in the NFL and a stranglehold on the #1 pick in next year's draft.
It looked bleak there for a while, didn't it?
With just minutes left in the game, the Miami Dolphins looked poised to upset the New York Giants last Sunday. With the win by the Rams against the Saints earlier, a Dolphin victory would mean that the Colts would have been the only team left in the league to win a game, and hence were almost assured of the #1 pick in the draft unless they suddenly go on a rampage and win a bunch of games.
But thanks to Eli Manning and crew, the Dolphins are now at 0-7, and while the Colts still have the top pick thanks to schedule strength, the Dolphins continue to keep pace with them record-wise.
But let's think about this for a second. Yes, we all know that watching Roger Goodell smiling with Andrew Luck as they pose for a photo holding a Colts jersey between them conjures up pangs of jealousy and resentment, does it really matter from a Seahawks standpoint which of these two teams ends up with Andrew Luck? They're both AFC teams, so we'd never have to face Luck more than once every four years, unless there's a Super Bowl matchup in between the scheduled clashes (which absolutely none of us would have a problem with). Yes, we wouldn't get him, but then neither would the Rams, Cardinals, or 49ers (and I don't believe for a second that Luck would pull an Eli and demand to play for his college coach. He's a big boy, and big boys don't hide behind their coaches like that).
Besides, we'd much rather see the Colts pick first than one of the teams that follow close behind in the draft order right now:
1. Colts (0-8, .538 SOS)
2. Dolphins (0-7, .563 SOS)
3. Rams (1-6, .474 SOS)
4. Cardinals (1-6, .549 SOS)
5. Jaguars (2-6, .496 SOS)
6. Panthers (2-6, .504 SOS)
7. Vikings (2-6, .578 SOS)
**8. Seahawks (2-5, .509 SOS)**
9. Broncos (2-5, .582 SOS)
10. Redskins (3-4, .459 SOS)
11. Eagles (3-4, .495 SOS)
12. Browns (3-4, .500 SOS)
13. Cowboys (3-4, .509 SOS)
14. Titans (4-3, .455 SOS)
15. Falcons (4-3, .471 SOS)
16. Jets (4-3, .491 SOS)
17. Buccaneers (4-3, .504 SOS)
18. Chargers (4-3, .513 SOS)
19. Chiefs (4-3, .518 SOS)
20. Raiders (4-3, .532 SOS)
21. Bears (4-3, .554 SOS)
22. Texans (5-3, .435 SOS)
23. Saints (5-3, .471 SOS)
24. Patriots (5-2, .451 SOS)
25. Bengals (5-2, .483 SOS)
26. Bills (5-2, .486 SOS)
27. Giants (5-2, .491 SOS, 1-1 Div.)
28. Ravens (5-2, .491 SOS, 1-0 Div.)
29. Steelers (6-2, .491 SOS)
30. Lions (6-2, .552 SOS)
31. 49ers (6-1, .450 SOS)
32. Packers (7-0, .491 SOS)
(Strength of Schedule is the total winning percentage of every opponent on a team's schedule. Records of divisional opponents are counted twice since they appear on the schedule twice. If schedule strength is tied, divisional record is the tiebreaker, then a coinflip.)
I think we can all comfortably say that we'd much rather see Indianapolis extend the lease that Satan has on their soul for another 10 years to get Luck rather than the two single-win teams that are poised to jump in to take the pole position if both Indy and Miami go on winning streaks.
And don't think that the two teams at the top of the list are guaranteed to stay there. The Dolphins have already shown with come-from-ahead losses to the Giants and Tebroncows that they're getting tired of losing and would like to put that trend to a stop. Meanwhile, the Colts may end up backing into a couple of wins, seeing as how they still have two games against the Jaguars on their schedule, plus a home game against Carolina after their bye week.
So next week, when we'll probably see a score like "ATL 24 - IND 3" flash on the ticker at the bottom of the screen, just remember - this year's draft positioning is just as much about who we keep the big-ticket players away from as it is about who ends up getting them.
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Thank you for Draft Watch
I am really interested in this each week, thanks for figuring this out.
So far the Hawks are slotted for the 3rd best QB, Barkley or Jones. Either is fine with me, as long as we get one of them. The biggest threat is Denver, I don’t see them winning another game. Seattle will probably split with ARIZ and STL, winning two more games at home. This will drop us down to the second tier of QB, and it will be Tennehill. He looks okay, but not at the same level as the top three.
Jones sucks.
The Seahawks taking him because they’re backed into a corner would be an awful situation.
by Coach Owens on Nov 1, 2011 3:41 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I agree about Jones
I’ve yet to watch a game with Luck or Barkley but have seen a game with Jones and he makes horrible decisions. He actually reminds me of Cholly but with a little bit more upside. I hope we do not draft him in any round. It would take years to groom him to be a number 1 but I see him as being a career backup
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by DKrottenhawk on Nov 1, 2011 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
RG3 > Jones
Granted, I know nothing about Jones. But, that said, RG3 looks amazing.
by GasolineSnuggie on Nov 1, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have been falling in (no homo) love with him too. He's also just a perfect fit
for the type of offense Seattle has as well. And if Tjack does play consistently, getting better, he could stop gap us for another year as RG3’s groomed on the bench. Or just start him out the gate, but either way, I’d love the Hawks to get him
by twocolorcrayon on Nov 1, 2011 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
What happens if Tarvaris keeps progressing and we have no shot at top 2 QBs?
I know I may be crazy by saying this (and I certainly wouldn’t have said this before the season or after the first 2 games), but what if Tarvaris keeps looking more comfortable and better equipped to handle this offense by year’s end? Does that mean we don’t reach on a QB if Luck/Barkley are not available?
I kind of wouldn’t mind passing on 1st round talent after that and spending our high pick on an impact player on defense or maybe another o-line guy. Then we could draft 2nd or 3rd round talent at QB.
It all depends on whether Tarvaris looks like he can handle an NFL offense by the end of the season, but he has certainly looked promising and decent in his past few performances.
Totally agree
If TJ continues to look decent and gets a few wins, then draft a QB in the second or third round.
I think at this point, there are 4 QBs that would not be a reach...
if taken in the first. I think Jones and RG3 will be expected to go in the 1st, if Griffin actually comes out. I would be fine with any of those top 4 QBs.
T-Jax's contract is for 1 year after this, isn't it?
Holding off for 1 more year of Jackson is playing acceptably is not out of the question, in my opinion. Carpenter isn’t panning out just yet, but we’re seeing what kind of impact a GOOD 1st rounder can have, with Earl Thomas. And partially, in Okung (who I still expect more out of).
Seahawks splitting with the Cardinals and Rams would only net us one more win.
We’ve already played Arizona at home, and won. We have the Rams and Niners as our remaining divisional home games.
Seahawks 8th?
The Vikings SOS is .579 and our’s is .509. So why are they picking ahead of us?
Also, my thought is that Indy likely only takes a QB if it’s Luck while Miami will take the best QB available at their spot. Therefore, i’m strongly rooting for Miami to get the #1 pick.
btw, i love this DraftWatch and look for it on Tuesdays. Thanks!
Vikes have one more loss. They haven't had their bye yet
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by Thomas Beekers on Nov 1, 2011 6:03 AM PDT up reply actions
I think at this point
I’d be happier if the pick was RG3 as opposed to Jones or Tennehill. Seems like he’d bring a lot of the things PC like about T-Jax with a higher upside
Nothing personal, but...
I would prefer that my QB of the future not be compared to T-Jax.
Which Is Fine
But RG3 Screams athleticism, but with much better accuracy. It’s a fair comparison.
Picture TJax at his best, but all the time. That’s the kind of passer RG3 is.
Live work and breathe like an optimist.
Exactly
If T-Jax did the things he does well on a regular basis he’d be the perfect QB for this team and we’d be talking about which defensive lineman we want in April instead of having nightly wet dreams about Andrew Luck. From what I’ve seen of RG3, in my uneducated opinion, he has that potential
He never looks like he gives up
He has uncanny accuracy and runs… but when he runs he is still looking up field. Even when his team is overwhelmed, he is still fighting to get things done.
Have to reserve judgment on RG3 until the end of the season
He has yet to win against good competition this year.
He plays for Baylor so . . .
Or to put it this way, their last winning season since last year was 1995.
If all of the stuff that was said about Griffin was true he'd be a lock for the first overall pick, ahead of Luck.
He’s athletic but not Vick athletic. He’s undersized. His accuracy and decision making are erratic. He does not make pro reads. I like the guy, and I might even like him with the Seahawks first pick, but the risks with him are numerous and glaring.
Plus,
how cool would it be to refer to our QB as RG3? That’s a tight nick-name.
It was just intense, and it was ball, and it was juice. The juice level in that room was high, and it was awesome.
by mister bunny on Nov 1, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Manning is still on the active roster.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he forces himself onto the field for the last 3 or 4 games of the year to put an end to this young whippersnapper coming in and taking his job.
70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.
Indy would be foolish to do that
This is a lost season for them. Risking a recurrence of his injury would be a catastrophe for them. They’re better off limping to the end line and letting Peyton heal.
Sure, but Manning will want to defend his turf.
Just like Hass did here up until the end, even during the lockout. And like Favre in Green Bay.
The difference is that Manning is damn near the GM in Indy and wields a big stick.
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by hazbro24 on Nov 1, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
If Manning doesn't play at all this year, the Colts can elect to opt out of his contract.
I sincerely doubt that Indy flushes away that option until they KNOW WITH AS CLOSE TO 100% CERTAINTY AS POSSIBLE that Peyton is healthy enough to take the field and play at something close to his pre-injury ability, without constantly at risk of re-aggravating the injury.
Again, the Colts are keeping Manning OR drafting Luck, NOT both.
I think the Colts are keeping Manning active precisely for this reason
If they keep him off IR, they can watch him practice after his recovery and see if there’s anything left in the tank. If he’s done, they can cut him and draft Luck. If he recovers, then they can build around him.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Nov 1, 2011 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah; the Colts could get a Herschel Walker-esque load for the #1 pick.
Keeping Manning’s status up in the air only helps their leverage in trade talks.
If Miami goes #1 this spot looks pretty terrific
We’ll be set up for our choice of the #2 QB.
However, I would assume we would still need to trade up regardless because Denver and Washington would probably offer a lot to leapfrog us.
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by crushedoptimist on Nov 1, 2011 10:29 AM PDT reply actions
This assumes that Denver finishes with more wins than us.
I don’t think that happens. We are a better team than the Broncos.
Eternally looking forward to someone making a Seahawks song based off of Lil' Jon's "Shots" song named "Hawks!"
Best case scenario, in my opinion (under the ridiculous premise of SEA not coming back and winning the SB)
1) Dolphins draft Luck
2) Colts power played by Manning to select someone other than Barkley
3-7) Stays close to the way it is, with those teams all invested in QBs already
8) Seattle, good chance we would have to trade up to the 2-5 range to get Barkley. Might be able to trade down a few spots and pick up RG3 (which would scare me since someone else could draft him, Jets maybe?!?). I don’t like Jones or Tannehill nearly as much as Barkley or RG3.
Basically, we just need IND to select someone other than a QB, and SEA to draft ahead of Denver and Washington.
by GasolineSnuggie on Nov 1, 2011 10:34 AM PDT reply actions
Worst case scenario
IND – Luck
MIA – Barkley
DEN – Jones/RG3/Tannehill
WASH – Jones/RG3/Tannehill
SEA – screwed with the 5th best QB or no QB
by GasolineSnuggie on Nov 1, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
No, worst case scenario would be STL or ARI ending up with the #1 pick.
Or worse, going 1-2.
"There's an old saying - revenge is a dish best served immediately."
I have a hard time seeing either of those teams selecting Barkley.
I don’t know if they would be so enthralled with Luck as to take him if given the chance. Maybe they would, but they have other needs and are invested heavily at QB right now.
by GasolineSnuggie on Nov 1, 2011 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions
No way that happens for a number of reasons.
Most of which is that Tannehill is no where near a top 5 player. He’s probably not even a first round pick.
I'm not completely sold on the Colts taking Luck if they pick first.
It’s probably what I would do, but looking at how terrible they are without Peyton Manning… they have so much work to do. A scenario in which Manning plays the final four games of the year, and looks fine, I could see the Colts trading the pick for several picks that they absolutely need. Because there are several teams that would compete heavily against each other, the price would probably be even higher.
Would I trade a 2012 1st, a 2012 2nd, a 2013 first, and a 2013 2nd for Luck? I personally would, but luckily I am not the GM and I don’t have to take the blame for it failing.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Nov 1, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
We should have trade 2 first rounders to Cinci for Palmer
Watching the Seahawks is like peeing on yourself, everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling it brings
by DKrottenhawk on Nov 1, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I wonder if Oakland would take 3 first rounders
by GasolineSnuggie on Nov 1, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
all of our 2012 draft and all of 2013?
book it!!!!!!!
Watching the Seahawks is like peeing on yourself, everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling it brings
by DKrottenhawk on Nov 1, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
For Kyle Boller I mean
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by DKrottenhawk on Nov 1, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Just from what Isray has said, and considering the situation
I would be moderately surprised if they wound up with the first pick and did anything but select Luck.
by GasolineSnuggie on Nov 1, 2011 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Peyton may enjoy a hot young prodigy
I am not sure Peyton’s ego is against the drafting of a QB. His ego may make him want to start, but I don’t really see a scenario where he is trying to force the Colts to not draft for their future.
There were some rumors of a Manning trade.
If they got Luck they could trade (a healthy) Manning for a lot and get those extra pieces they require. Would they do that? Who knows. They seem to be missing a lot and could benefit from a rebuild it would seem.
Peyton Manning is 35, signed to a $100 million contract, and is recovering from a possibly-career-threatening neck injury.
He will not be traded.
He's also one of the greatest QBs to ever play the game
If he plays the last 2-4 games and looks like the Peyton Manning we all know, then the Jets, or another team, giving up two 1st rounders seems reasonable. The Jets with Manning look like a SB favorite. The Ravens with Manning look like a SB favorite.
by GasolineSnuggie on Nov 1, 2011 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions
*operater of smart phone fail
by brugg on Nov 1, 2011 11:43 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
GadolineSnuggie( not the appropiate space for this but whatever)
As your name suggests you might be explosive(in a good way). You seem to be brand new here yet your comments are everywhere here.
I dig your commentary. Have you posted here before under a different name or are you just now comfortable posting?
I only ask because as I scan this site daily(it’s my homepage) you have erupted out of nowhere. What makes this striking is your adherence to proper grammar and reasoned argumentation while most new posters seem to skip the site rules part and go straight to posting. Anyways, it’s always awesome when reasoned people join a conversation. Welcome, and thank you(even if I don’t care for what you have to say). Smiley face?
by brugg on Nov 1, 2011 11:37 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
No, he can't be traded with the contract
There are almost no other teams in the NFL that can fit that number under the cap, especially competitive teams. He would have to renegotiate.
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by Thomas Beekers on Nov 2, 2011 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I suppose he could do that though.
If he felt like the Colts were going to go with Luck and he wanted to be committed to – perhaps he would be willing to leave for less money.
There are a decent amount of teams that would feel like Manning would put them over the top as a playoff/super bowl contender.
Will it happen? It’s hard to see it becoming a reality, but as long as we’re dreaming of the future I could see it. It’s all contingent on Manning proving he’s healthy and worth giving up 1st round talent to get him.
I agree with this.
I’ve been thinking it for awhile. If I was running Indy and before the end of the season, I had confirmation that Manning was healthy, I would take 3 1st round picks and a 2nd round pick for Luck easily. 9 picks in the first 2 rounds over the next 3 years plus Manning would make Indy way better than Luck and maybe an extra 1st from whomever takes Manning.
I dont think the Colts will pick Andrew Luck. Unless they know something we dont know about Mannings future. They have to consider that 1) If they have a healthy Peyton Manning they have a decent offense and 2) If they have a healthy Peyton Manning they have a terrible defense. I think they need to take a defensive player first round, they are giving up 40 points a game.
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by GasolineSnuggie on Nov 1, 2011 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Manning will never be healthy
With his neck issue he would be foolish to come back. He probably will anyway, but he is just one hit away from being permanently paralyzed. The colts will pick Luck if they can.
by AlaskaHawk on Nov 1, 2011 12:12 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
He is not at any more risk to permanent paralysis than any other player in the league
He had a single level cervical fusion, and that does not carry any increased risk of cervical cord injury after a successful surgery, although he does have some increased risk of having accelerated disk degeneration at other levels.
Smashmouth is the new sexy!
That is the same injury that paralyzed my uncle.
All it took was a ten mile per. hour car crash.
I am sorry about your uncle, sounds horribly unlucky.
But I don’t think that means that Manning shouldn’t ever get in a car going over 9mph.
Smashmouth is the new sexy!
The Colts have three straight home games also: Atlanta, Jacksonville, Bye, Carolina.
If they come out of that 0-3, okay, we’ve got a potential 0-16 team. But there’s a decent chance they come out of that 2-1.
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Maybe
somewhere along their schedule they will play like they did against Pitt but pull out a surprise win too.
by Bruiser89171 on Nov 1, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Hey guys, I thought about a very interesting scenario that we all saw in pete's first draft and could be replicated by this one:
If we all recal the popular mocked pick with the 14th overall was taylor mays. Everyone thought pete would go after the guy he scouted and coached in college. Instead he went with a different player that he felt was better in Earl Thomas who is probably the best defensive back from that draft. Personally, I had not heard of earl thomas in the top 20 until his name was called so i was surprised.
This year i don’t think i’ll be surprised to see us finish in the top 5 (two VERY winable games vs. the browns and bengals and we drop both? schedule doesnt get much easier later) I would think we attempot to trade down (given the history of pete) to around the tenth overall with the Redskins. They get Barkley and we draft RGIII. I’ll throw up some brief scouting notes after this, but i wouldnt be surprised for Pete to shock EVERY draft “expert” and avoid his old college guy to take someone he thought was better.
Scouting notes:
Luck: don’t think we get him w/o selling a lot of picks and landing in the right scenario (colts, or a team that took a QB last year at #1). Luck is a good QB already. He’s got a great arm, shows wonderful accuracy. He has demonstrated a couple issues with timing, but those are few and far between. His pocket awareness is terrific. The negatives i see are his schedule. He’s only played on team w/ a winning record at their home once. He did well, but i need to see him against an upper echelon defense to see how he adjusts. That is the biggest fear i have with him, can he translate almost 2 levels of competition up? (oh, and USC’s defense isn’t that great this year in my opinion. And this is from a USC fan)
I know you don't have an East Coast bias, I just found it interesting hearing something like this on the radio this morning about how he doesn't play in the SEC.
And I’m thinking to myself, how many current good or starting quarterbacks played in the SEC?
Harvard, Michigan, USC, Miami of Ohio, Delaware, TCU, Texas, Boston College, Missouri, Tennessee, NC State, USC, USC, Florida, Ole Miss, Virginia, Eastern Illinois, Virginia Tech, Cal, Georgia, Vanderbilt, Florida State, Purdue, Kansas State, Boston College, Auburn, Utah, Oklahoma, Houston, Arkansas (Tarvaris)
Of note: Jake Locker (Washington) Colin Kaepernick (Nevada) Vince Young (Texas) Matt Moore (Oregon State) Jason Campbell (Auburn) Kyle Orton (Purdue) Curtis Painter (Purdue) Rex Grossman (Florida) John Beck (BYU) Donovan McNabb (Syracuse) Charlie Whitehurst (Clemson)
So when he pointed out that he didn’t play in the SEC, I had to scratch my head. The above SEC quarterbacks are Tarvaris Jackson, Jay Cutler, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Matt Flynn (Not Listed), JaMarcus Russell (Not Listed), Matthew Stafford, Jason Campbell, Tim Tebow, Rex Grossman, Cam Newton.
So to me, that argument that he didn’t play in the SEC, didn’t hold any water. JaMarcus Russell did pretty great in the SEC against tough SEC defenses. The Pac-10 quarterbacks are Aaron Rodgers, Carson Palmer, Matt Cassel, Jake Locker, Mark Sanchez, and Matt Moore. I’m probably forgetting some important ones, but just looking at current and relevant. I think that group holds a candle to the SEC, especially when you’re talking about Rodgers.
Then you’ve got the guys like Matt Schaub, Joe Flacco, and Ben Roethlisberger, that rarely played a defense of near-SEC caliber.
Would I like to see Luck versus an SEC team? Sure. Maybe LSU-Stanford in the championship game will settle this once and for all.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Nov 1, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry, he started at Arkansas, and that's where I messed up.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Nov 1, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
It's OK, your premise is correct.
The SEC doesn’t produce good QBs. Take away the Manning brothers, because they were produced by Archie and not the renowned QB factories of Ole Miss and Tennessee and you’re left with a shit sandwich with only Stafford and Newton for bread. And Newton only played one season at Auburn.
70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.
Yeah, a good quarterback is a good quarterback. If anything, going to a smaller school just allows you to slip further than you should. Or sometimes, the idea that you didn't play against good competition is correct.
Got to love the draft.
This doesn’t take into account: Tim Couch (Kentucky), David Carr (Fresno State), Joey Harrington (Oregon), Byron Leftwich (Marshall), Kyle Boller (Cal), JP Losman (Tulane), Matt Leinart (USC), Brady Quinn (ND), or Jimmy Clausen (ND). Slightly more damning for the Pac-10 there. But a couple SEC hits as well.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Nov 1, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
The Earl Thomas pick wasn't unexpected
It made a lot of sense, given the needs of the team, and was widely predicted at Mocking the Draft. Taylor Mays would have been the surprise pick at that point, not ET.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Nov 1, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
The surprise was that ET fell a couple of spots and we got him
Didn’t everyone think that Philly would grab him?
they took turns pissing into the bitch's ocular cavities.
This way to the cafeteria!
He was on their radar
but there was a good chance he would fall to us.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Nov 1, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
really?
i followed that draft like crazy and had not heard ANYTHING about thomas going before 14. or before 20. The saftey bias was knocking Eric Berry down out of the top 2 so it was also knocking the other safties (except, oddly, Mays)
Really.
It was a clear need for the team and Thomas rose up the draft boards late (some said he was better than Berry). Maybe you and I read different draftniks, but ET definitely made sense at the 1.14 (as did a few other guys) and shouldn’t have been unexpected.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Nov 1, 2011 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup.
He was gift wrapped at 14.
It was just intense, and it was ball, and it was juice. The juice level in that room was high, and it was awesome.
Eric Berry was NEVER considered to be taken before Suh, Bradford and McCoy.
Berry was right there with Okung and Trent Williams, though, and Earl Thomas was regarded just a rung below those guys, along with Joe Haden and Brandon Graham (and Ryan Matthews and CJ Spiller). Getting Thomas at #14 wasn’t TERRIBLY surprising, but he was more highly regarded than everyone else that was still available, including Mays (except for those crazy Tebow lovers).
While I was glad we got Thomas, there was one other name I would have love to get at that spot: Dez Bryant. But I think we still got the better player.
Then you didn't follow it that close
Eric Berry and Earl Thomas were considered different but interchangable by some pundits, including Mike Mayock.
No one was seriously proposing we take Mays at #14 except John Morgan when he was trolling Mocking the draft.
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by Thomas Beekers on Nov 2, 2011 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Did he really troll a fellow SBN site while FG editor?
That kid had balls.
"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."
I say "trolling" unfairly
But he didn’t take it very seriously.
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by Thomas Beekers on Nov 2, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's the original piece
http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2010/3/25/1387179/2010-sb-nation-nfl-mock-draft
and here’s the followup:
http://www.fieldgulls.com/2010/3/26/1391755/the-taylor-mays-problem
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Nov 2, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
We were kind of stuck in a loop of negativity
But that was still ridiculous.
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by Thomas Beekers on Nov 2, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Hah, good times
Why? Based on what?
Have we seen PC lay down a foundation of over-drafting players? Does Schneider have a terrible reputation as a draft evaluator?
I simply do not understand where this overwhelming negativity vs PC comes from. Yes he’s upset and confused us with some free agent moves, but it seems like you guys are all set to label him bust and move on.
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by Thomas Beekers on Nov 2, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Considering Q/PM were on the job just a few months, and they traded away Tapp & Sims for (seemingly) nothing, we were very unsure what would happen in the 2010 draft.
Reaching on guys like Spiller and Mays and Tebow weren’t that OUTRAGEOUS because we just gave up a higher-than-expected ransom for Charlie Whitehurst; there was no telling what direction we would go.
Morgan’s mock picks were based at least somewhat on that uncertainty.
They were based on false equation of dubious trade decisions equating a lack of draft skills
Reality does not work that way.
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by Thomas Beekers on Nov 2, 2011 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions
So you're suggesting that the pick was based on assuming the FO were idiots?
Because, if they’d make unpopular/unwise trades, they’d surely make unpopular/unwise draft picks? That’s pretty much the argument made by critics in the MtD comments.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Nov 2, 2011 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions
If I remember correctly, Morgan mocked we'd pick Spiller at #6 (on the Mocking The Draft website).
I don’t think he thought Carroll was stupid; I just think he thought (at that time) that ANYTHING was possible. I don’t think John Morgan mocked those two picks because he legitimately thought they were the best players available, or the best fits for the Seattle Seahawks.
I do remember a bunch of FGers getting pissed over the Tapp trade (myself included) and making sweeping generalizations of Pete Carroll’s and John Schneider’s personnel acumen (myself not included).
Morgan mocked Mays at #6 over Berry
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Nov 2, 2011 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions
And went on to describe Mays' potential as something like what we're currently seeing out of Chancellor.
The reaction to that mock draft was ridiculous and is even more so nearly two years later. I think John meant to do something unexpected but I don’t think his intent was to troll MtD or to lampoon the Q/PM.
I think that was sort of the point
but then there’s the whole second piece.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Nov 2, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
we're not getting luck
are there other players available at our round besides maybe barkley?
Does anyone other than me like Austin Davis?
The two games I got to see of him he looked really good. I also read he is going to break Brett Farves passing record if he has not done so already. I might be the only one hoping we trade down a few spots and pick up Morris Claiborne. Does anyone think that Andre Branch would be a good second round pick?
He's probably gonna be a late riser in the draft board, so I'm gonna temper my expectations for Davis. Watching a post game interview after his win against UTEP and he sounds like the PERFECT QB MOULD Pete would look for.
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by RagingAlot on Nov 1, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think so too.
I really do not see Pete picking Barkely. He seems to like the players he could not get to play for him college.
Worst case scenario: Lark, Barkley, RG3 and Jones don't declare for draft. It's scarily possible.
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I will scream in agony of RG3 doesn't declare.
by twocolorcrayon on Nov 1, 2011 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope that exact scenario happens
unless we get one of the top two next year, I doubt we improve much if any. We aren’t going to get one of those next year. If they don’t declare it will just stack the deck even deeper for QB talent the next year. Being in this not bad enough to get a top 3 pick, not good enough to get better then a top 10, can’t find a QB anywhere on earth situation is making me crazy. At least if they don’t declare I would have SOMETHING to hope for… Not that it would happen in a million years.
by 12th_man_syndrome on Nov 2, 2011 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
So in addition to sucking this year, but just not sucking enough we also
need to suck another season so we can get a better pick in ’13?
Fuck that. Let’s start Portis and get this shit over with.
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Where does Russel Wilson rank in all of this?
I think i like him.
I've got ridiculous upside.
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Mid rounds at best probably.
There’s a chance he’s under 6 foot and Wisconsin has a super easy offense for a quarterback to run, his production won’t mean a ton.
Yeah, I've seen him all over the place
Mostly as middle round guy, but NFLDraftScout.com has him as their 6th best QB. Seems like he gets the ball out quickly, if nothing else.
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by Jacson Bevens on Nov 1, 2011 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I doubt we get Luck or Barkley...
These teams are as bad as or worse than the Hawks in my estimation:
Colts (should take Luck or Barkley, rework Manning’s contract for one year)
Fins (will take Luck or Barkley)
Rams (would take Luck and trade Bradford)
Cardinals (would take Luck if they could trade away Kolb’s contract; likely view Barkley as a push)
Jags (would take Luck or Barkley over Gabbert)
Broncos (will draft a QB with their first pick; there is a reason Tebow is starting and Lloyd was traded away)
Redskins (could conceivably finish the season with an 0-fer; they are really bad)
I think these teams are rated below us right now, but are out of the discussion:
Panthers (Newton is the real deal, will not take any QB)
Vikings (Ponder has been quite impressive in 2 games, with AP and a decent D they likely finish out of the Luck discussion and I doubt there is any other QB they would take over Ponder)
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Trading Bradford isn't an option
No one will take on that contract. The Rams won’t ever be seriously in the consideration for Luck. And I don’t think Barkley (at this point) is nationally rated nearly high enough that the Jags would kick Gabbert to the curb just yet.
by Matt Erickson on Nov 2, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
When somebody mentioned it, I really had to look back at the Rams schedule and wow... no wonder they were winless.
I could see them winning 5 games.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Nov 2, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Have you watched Gabbert at all this year?
I know it’s only two games for me and his teams is not loaded with talent, but yeesh – there is not much differece from Charlie on the surface.
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The Jags would have to be nuts to get rid of Gabbert.
And since they won’t be in a position to get Luck, there’s not even a question about it.
by MT Olson on Nov 2, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm with you on the Colts and Fins
I think the Rams will play better the second half of the season, and may even pass the Hawks for wins. They also won’t be able to trade Bradford.
The Cardinals will likely be stuck with Kolb. I can’t see them being able to trade him away.
I think the Jags are close to being out of the Luck/Barkley game. It’s hard to say, although the defense didn’t look that bad against Baltimore, plus they play the Colts twice and Cleveland once.
Denver I think would take any QB they could get, but I don’t know where they’d fall in the Luck/Barkley thing. The AFC West is an odd division.
Washington still has Miami and Minnesota on their schedule, and 1 or 2 wins would likely put them out of the Luck/Barkley race.
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