The Worrying Lack of Seahawks Pass Rush
I did a writeup a while back on what I felt are the matchup strengths and weaknesses of this particular Seahawks defense. This wasn't a criticism of Pete Carroll's defensive system, which I really do not feel strongly about one way or the other, but mostly to focus in on what we do well, and looking for explanations why our defense looks strong one game and weak another. Not all run-based, dink-and-dunk offenses are easy to contain. We held Atlanta to a pretty meager 5.3 yards per play, even if they did score on us well, and this defense did really well against the Bengals, which isn't easy. But at the same time, Eli Manning passed for 10.8 YPA, Ben Roethlisberger for 9.9 YPA and Tony Romo for 9.0 YPA against us, all well above their average performances of 8.4, 8.1 and 8.1 YPA. The Cowboys are a proficient offense, but when I say we have a hard time against deep passers I'm not talking about a lack of ability to stop the truly elite, I'm saying that anyone who passes even passably well deep is making this mediocre defense look bad. The fortunate bit here is we don't face a lot of those, only three so far and only Chicago and the inconsistent Philadelphia team left.
I've focused on the cornerback spot for a long time. But after our depth has held up well following two key injuries, and with our high-level safety play making up for a lot, it's become pretty clear our secondary isn't our biggest problem. The search for why our defense works like it does seems to start and stop at the inadequate pass rush. When you build your defense with cornerbacks jamming receivers and linebackers roaming the flats more extensively than last year, you disturb the short passing options well. But - somewhat separately from that - the problem comes in with the longer passing option, with our corners' relative weakness in keeping up with longer, complex and faster routes. If you don't get to the quarterback, that means trouble. We have 14 sacks on the season, good for 30th in the NFL, five from Clemons with no other player having more than one. Sacks are mostly a result stat, it's about getting the passing offense off its rhythm and forcing the quarterback to take poor decisions, which is a tally of hits, hurries and sacks. We're just not getting there.
Field Gulls member-but-sadly-not-writer Jacob Stevens has been noting in the comments for a while now that the defensive shift in gap assignments from last year sees the 1-tech (then Colin Cole, now Brandon Mebane) 1-gap, instead of 2-gap. That means that where we had two 2-gappers and two 1-gappers last year we now have one 2-gapper in the strongside defensive end and three 1-gappers in the rest. I think that's closer to what people expect when they hear "Carroll is a Kiffin disciple", since the Kiffin model is all about shooting gaps and letting linebackers worry about gap containment (though our cap discipline isn't great, as the Ravens showed in beating us with a few end-arounds to start the game). That said, it leaves a lot unchanged: the pass rush still has to come primarily from the weakside or "Leo" end, and the 1-tech is still supposed to draw double teams to free up the 3-tech. But out 3-tech is a more run-oriented position than you'd expect, filled by a big body as it is. Just a temporary solution until we hopefully get a decent-to-good 3-tech? I dunno. Our Dline is still fairly patchwork, there is no PC/Schneider drafted player who makes a steady contribution to the Dline (though Pep is knocking on the door), whereas the linebackers and secondary have various rookies and sophomores from the draft. That makes me think we're still looking at a stop-gap mix on the line, even with younger players in the rotation.
Is a shakeup of the defensive line rotation in order? I find that harder to say. This doesn't seem to be a problem where a single player is to blame, but primarily a combination of lack of interior push and Clemons disappearing for stretches. Clinton McDonald is getting more playing time which I think is good, as he has value as a specialist. Raheem Brock is seeing more snaps but we're not seeing anything close to his late-season explosion last year. In fact, he was mostly invisible this last game. Do we need better blitz packages? Blitz packages can never replace front-four pressure, just supplement it. One thing I would definitely like to see less is Earl Thomas blitzing. Not because he's bad at it, his speed and small size give him a good shot at the quarterback though he's also chipped out easily. But rather, I think it's counterintuitive to take out the best player of your secondary to hit the quarterback. What's better, having Kam Chancellor in single high and ET blitzing or vice versa? The answer is pretty obvious. I like Kam, but he doesn't have nearly the range or instincts of Earl Thomas. So, less of that please.
This last Seahawks game might not be the ideal example, because we put in a ton of pressure packages that we normally wouldn't, due to the Ravens pass-heavy offense. This included regularly lining up Raheem Brock, putting Clinton McDonald on the field a lot, and kicking Red Bryant inside when Raheem Brock was in. And yet we still couldn't get to the quarterback, creative and pass-attuned defensive packages notwithstanding. What's more, the Ravens did not frequently keep in a tight end to block, their offensive line was enough to generally handle our pass rush. Here's a few good and bad plays:
3-7-SEA 34 (11:28) (No Huddle, Shotgun) J.Flacco pass short right to R.Rice to SEA 32 for 2 yards (E.Thomas)
Seahawks have Raheem Brock (98), Anthony Hargrove (94), Alan Branch (99) and Chris Clemons (91) in, with David Hawthorne (57) and Leroy Hill (56) threatening the line. Ravens in shotgun with four WRs and a running back in. Five rush with Chris Clemons dropping back. The left tackle takes out Branch, the center David Hawthorne, the right guard stops Brock as he stunts inside, the left guard is left with little to do. The play breaks down for the Ravens on the other side. Brock stunting inside freed up Hargrove to go one-on-one with their right tackle, and Hargrove gets his hands right on the tackle's numbers, pushing him aside and then flying almost free at Flacco, who scrambles to his right. In the meantime, Hill is cut by Ray Rice, which bought Flacco a little extra time, but Hill is up and back on the quarterback fast, which forces Flacco to take the quick outlet pass to Rice. Excellent play by the Seahawks.
1-10-BLT 15 (5:21) J.Flacco pass short right to T.Smith pushed ob at BLT 27 for 12 yards (R.Sherman).
Seahawks in base, Ravens with a tight end in on Chris Clemons' side. The Seahawks rush four. Clemons is moved into the LT by the tight end, Branch and Mebane are in kind of a cluster with the interior line (I think the center actually has a hand on both). Red Bryant is isolated on the right tackle, and is held at the line of scrimmage before swatting away the RT's arms and coming at Flacco. Not a load of time for Flacco, but Torrey Smith beat Sherman with a simple comeback on the sideline.
3-10-BLT 27 (3:51) (No Huddle, Shotgun) J.Flacco pass incomplete deep right to T.Smith [T.Hargrove].
The Seahawks are in a dime formation. Brock, Hargrove and Clemons are the down linemen, with 2 linebackers and six defensive backs (so 3-2-6). Atari Bigby is near the line but drops back. Leroy Hill blitzes, as does Roy Lewis from the slot corner spot. Ravens are in the shotgun with splitbacks, Ray Rice releasing as an outlet while Dennis Pitta (on Flacco's right) stays in to block Roy Lewis, who is coming in with a full head of steam. This would look good if not for Hargrove and Clemons overruning themselves and getting walked out by the tackles. As Flacco as throws, only Brock being blocked by the center and right guard are still in front of him, the rest of the blocking is to his side or behind him. Hargrove is credited with a pressure here but I don't even think Flacco saw him - just to his right as he throws - he simply threw a bad pass to Torrey Smith.
2-6-BLT 49 (:21) (Shotgun) J.Flacco pass deep right to A.Boldin to SEA 34 for 17 yards (R.Sherman).
Seahawks have Raheem Brock, Lazarius Levingston, Alan Branch and Chris Clemons in. Brock tries to stunt inside but the RG picks him up well, leaving Levingston fight a double team while Brock moves. Branch is single-blocked out by the LG, and Clemons tries but fails to spin-move past the LT. Enough time for a deep pass.
3-8-BLT 42 (10:18) (Shotgun) J.Flacco pass short left to T.Smith to BLT 44 for 2 yards (A.Branch) [C.Clemons].
Seahawks are in nickel with the Ravens lining up four wide receivers. Seahawks line up Brock, Levingston, Branch and Clemons. Branch takes a step forward and then drops back into coverage. Both the center and left guard had their eyes on Branch and take a second to adjust. The center helps the right guard with Levingston, while the right tackle handles Brock, who releases off the block to try to stunt around. Clemons battled past the left tackle, with the left guard adjusting too late to help him out, and he is right in Flacco's face as the quarterback throws the pass.
1-10-BLT 18 (5:46) (Shotgun) J.Flacco pass short left to R.Williams pushed ob at BLT 30 for 12 yards (R.Lewis).
Seahawks line up Brock, Branch, Bryant (at the 3-tech) and Clemons. Branch is stood up by the center. Bryant actually bulls the left guard well but the guard gets enough of him to walk him just past Flacco, so he can't get a hit in. Brock halfheartedly spins in front of the right tackle and then runs behind Branch to nowhere. Not sure how much of it was by design by Brock's late stunts looked very ineffective. Clemons spins himself both out of the left tackle's block and out of the play.
3-3-BLT 37 (4:27) (No Huddle, Shotgun) J.Flacco pass short middle to D.Pitta to SEA 46 for 17 yards (C.Maragos).
Seahawks in 4-1-6. The pocket collapses fast here, primarily due to Red Bryant rushing out of the 3-tech, who absolutely mandhandles a doubleteam by the right guard (who falls down trying to block) and the center. Possibility for a sack here if not for coverage breaking down. Roy Lewis is in man on Pitta from the slot, but bites on the tight end's stutter-step, losing him on the slant. Chancellor doesn't pick him up though he's right in position, and the Ravens get an easy completion that could've gone even further if not for a nice form tackle from free safety Chris Maragos.
2-3-BLT 41 (11:34) (Shotgun) J.Flacco pass incomplete short right to L.Williams (R.Sherman).
Brock, Clinton McDonald, Branch and Clemons are in. McDonald draws a double-team, Branch is nicely handled and Clemons hasn't even really been engaged by the left tackle yet when the ball is thrown. But on the other side, the right tackle tries to shovel out Brock but either mistimed or mishandled it because Brock runs right past him, and even though this is a 1-2 second slant play he still nearly got to Flacco.
1-10-BLT 46 (7:34) (Shotgun) J.Flacco pass incomplete deep middle to A.Boldin.
Brock gets right around the right tackle again, but Flacco has a pretty clean pocket to step into as Bryant and Branch get nothing. Another poor throw by Flacco.
2-10-BLT 46 (7:30) (Shotgun) J.Flacco pass incomplete deep right to T.Smith (E.Thomas).
Seahawks line up Brock, McDonald, Bryant and Clemons. Clemons drops back while linebacker Malcolm McCoy rushes between the two defensive tackles. The left tackle does a good job on Bryant who soon gives up the rush to reach up for any possible passes. Brock is walked around Flacco by the right tackle. The running back (Ricky Williams) picks up McCoy perfectly, which leaves the entire interior line to triple-team McDonald, who consequently doesn't do much. As Brock is moved to Flacco's left, the quarterback bootlegs right, and throws an imperfect but catchable pass that Earl Thomas knocks down.
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Forgive me if this is a dumb question
But I dont watch the X’s and O’s on the Seahawks games…
Why DONT they blitz Kam more? Is it a skillset thing, a scheme thing?
My mind can easily picture Flacco going down like a sack of disconnected bones…
I don't think Kam is particularly quick, or nimble.
I can’t see him being all that proficient at cutting sharply enough to round the corner off the edge, though he does appear to have the ability to tackle (for an example of how not to blitz, see a famous gif starring Brian Russell).
Fair enough, and thats a good answer
I try not to watch Brian Russell gifs, it just makes me feel bad for the guy.
I agree. Kam has some speed but not Polamalu type speed.
I’d honestly rather see Thomas in deep coverage, Kam covering TE, and more LB blitzes. Our LBs have been getting lit up in coverage, seems like every week is another TE getting 10 catches or 100 yards.
Id also like to see Hawthorne play OLB again and move KJ in the middle. I think Hill should be strong side again, Hawthorne weak, KJ middle. Hill was a pro-bowler on the strong side(he has the speed to cover TEs and strength to handle double teams), KJ is build to be a MLB (same size as Urlacher). If Hawthorne succeeds then the whole corp is better, if not, correct it with the draft.
Sigh
why does everyone think Polamalu has speed? Don’t you all dimwits know he has a teleporter stuck in the back of his pads?
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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Nov 15, 2011 8:02 PM PST up reply actions
I think they are happy with his blitzing, but blitzing puts more stress on the secondary
and I think they were trying to keep the safeties between Ray Rice and the endzone.
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Good article.
I worry about this pass rush scheme. Are they relying on finding some kind of special type of 3-tech that is not only huge but able to rush the passer consistently? Is this a realistic goal? What other players in the NFL currently fill that role?
You can only accumulate starting and elite talent at a certain pace, otherwise you end
up paying too much for it, either via draft picks or cap hit. I see the Hawks wanting a DeMarcus Ware or Mario Williams type player to share time with and then replace Clemons. If Clemons had just a bit more power to drive through the block, I don’t think we would be having this conversation, but he is too often redirected out of the play. If Clemons could turn the corner just a bit harder or not be pushed so deep, the QB would have to step up into his OL and would always be throwing off his back foot. Part of the problem I thought Flacco had in the game was once he stepped up inside Clemons rush, it was hard to step again into a throw because our front three had moved their central OL a few yards back.
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you do know that Chris Clemons was a hybrid LB/DE....
He is only 6-3 250 pounds, he isnt exactly the prototypical bull-rusher, I would never imagine seeing Clemons bull-rushing D’brickashaw Ferguson, he is a player that produces from Carroll’s system, he will not be going to the giant’s for big money( or any team other then Seattle) for his strength. He is a quick off the snap and pretty much a three point stance LB.
I was pretty clear that I didn't think he was a bullrusher. He is just limited as a speed rusher
because he doesn’t have elite speed, just very good, and he doesn’t have the power/speed combo to be able to get in a place in the backfield where the QB has to step up into our interior linemen (who I think get decent penetration the last few games, but the combination of edge/back pocket pressure from Clemons and interior pressure is not enough to collapse the pocket). Clemons is very good for what he is, but he is shy of dominating.
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I'd be fine with Earl blitzing more
In goal line formations if they have the personnel. He has the speed and agilty, but I don’t want it happening enough for it to be expected.
Regular formations I want him in his usual “badass” role.
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by DKrottenhawk on Nov 15, 2011 1:38 PM PST via mobile reply actions
This might part of the reason why we're not getting sacks:

(not that we can really do anything about it)
http://twitter.com/seahawkeye/status/136547144126570496
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Nov 15, 2011 1:43 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
Holding goes uncalled all the time
but it seems like Clemons might be having a slightly harder-than-average time getting calls. And if your LT can just tackle the most problematic pass-rusher than the rest of the OL can focus on the other guys.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Nov 15, 2011 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, it does seem like Clemons doesn't get much help from the refs.
If Clemons’ jersey said “Freeney” on the back he’d probably get more calls, you know? It reminds me of the NBA a little bit. The same way that Kobe and LeBron can drive into the lane and fall down and get free throws but some scrub off of the bench wouldn’t get a call and the same way that Browner barely has to touch a receiver to get PI called on him. The reputation helps get the refs eyes on them, and helps get the calls.
(Not implying that the problem is nearly as bad in the NFL as it is in the NBA. But I really do think it happens.)
GET OFF ME!!!
I think I mentioned this in the season preview comments
Figuring that our pass rush would improve just by the fact that Clemons would HAVE to get 1-2 calls a game in his second year with us. I didn’t think there was any way he’d be in the same place he was last season which is getting held every single play and not drawing calls. Welp, we’re here. I admire his fight though, that’s gotta be frustrating to get every single game and not get any calls.
Wow, this makes me angry...
Eternally looking forward to someone making a Seahawks song based off of Lil' Jon's "Shots" song named "Hawks!"
Gotta admit it's a pretty good takedown though
I laughed hard at it
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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Nov 15, 2011 8:02 PM PST up reply actions
ive given up looking at clemons directions
i see more holds there than any other position. for whatever reason we simply do not get the calls. someone slip the refs some cash or something
I should preface my comment by saying I have no knowledge of the rulebook given to the officials...
But that doesn’t look like holding to me, just good blocking. Clemons is the one who turns his back to the guy, who then just blocks Clemons to the ground. From what little I know, holding is legal if it’s inside the shoulders. I thought it was arms extended outside the shoulders that counted as a penalty.
For example, an offensive lineman can absolutely manhandle his assignment, even driving him to the ground, and it’s just great blocking if his arms don’t extend out beyond his shoulder pads: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd-BSrVsRDs
Hogtying Clemons around the throat, however, ought to have been a flag, yes?
by John Edwards on Nov 15, 2011 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
I think the problem is the LT has his arms around Clemmons.
Refer to post below.
by brugg on Nov 15, 2011 5:33 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Seems like a legit move by ravens
Oh! It’s not?
Why you no call that ref?
Ref: fuck you Seahawks, I lost a lot of money on that Saints game!
Pete Carrol:Dang! I’m still jacked up and pumped up anyways.
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by DKrottenhawk on Nov 15, 2011 2:00 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
It subjectively feels like a disproportionate number of non-calls have gone against us
this year, maybe just random luck. I don’t think our pass rush has done anything to bring about an unusual number of holds against it, though. It’s just not shown up except in spurts here & there.
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by jacobstevens on Nov 15, 2011 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
I believe that the blocker has his hand inside the shoulder pads... legal positioning right?
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I couldn't say for sure, but I don't think that applies
USE OF HANDS BY OFFENSIVE PLAYER
Article 2 An offensive player cannot obstruct or impede an opponent by grasping him with his hands or encircling any part of a defender’s body with his arms, except in the following situations:
(a) If he is a runner. A runner may ward off opponents with his hands and arms. He also may lay his hand on a teammate or push him into an opponent, but he may not grasp or hold on to a teammate; or
(b) During a loose ball that has touched the ground. An offensive player may use his hands/arms legally to block or otherwise push or pull an opponent out of the way in a personal attempt to recover the ball.
See specific fumble, pass, or kick rules and especially 6-2-1; or
© During a kick. A kicking team player may use his hands/arms to ward off or to push or pull a receiver who is legally or illegally attempting to obstruct his attempt to proceed; or
(d) During a legal block
Article 4 An offensive blocker cannot:
(a) thrust his hands forward above the frame of an opponent to contact him on the neck, face, or head
(Note: Contact in close-line play that is not prolonged and sustained is not a foul unless the opponent’s
head is pinned back by direct and forcible contact);
http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/15_Rule12_Player_Conduct.pdf
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Nov 15, 2011 2:54 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
sarcasm font fail.... sorry
Smashmouth is the new sexy!
I wasn't being sarcastic
It looked like holding to me but there may be some nuances to the rule that I’m missing.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Nov 15, 2011 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
"An offensive player cannot obstruct or impede an opponent by grasping him with his hands or encircling any part of a defender’s body with his arms,
except in the following situations: …
…(d) During a legal block"
by John Edwards on Nov 15, 2011 4:52 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah thats wierd.
So its legal to hold if its legal. Circular logic in the rulebook? Damn ambiguous NFL.
by brugg on Nov 15, 2011 5:36 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
The rules being quoted were for use of hands, not blocking.
by John Edwards on Nov 15, 2011 5:40 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, but according to same quotes
It’s illegal to wrap arms around player unless it is a legal block. That doesn’t make sence to me.
by brugg on Nov 15, 2011 7:05 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not sure ANYBODY knows what's within the rules for blocking along the line of scrimmage, especially the officials! *insert laugh track*
Ask any football player, at any level, if there’s holding by lineman on any given play. It’s like asking if there’s water in the ocean.
With that being said, my non-credible opinion was that there are some very basic aspects to what blocks are correct and which are penalties…
Good blocking:
-pushing (even pushing a defender to the ground)
-blocking arms do not extend horizontally beyond the blockers shoulder pads
-anything the refs don’t notice
Holding penalties:
-pulling a defender to the ground (this can include just holding on and dragging a defender to the ground as he goes by…also known as “tackling” or “pulling a Locklear”)
-holding on to a defender with arms extended out beyond the blockers shoulder pads
Who knows? The wording in the official’s handbook could be something esoteric but simple, such as “holding a defender is a penalty if it prevents a defenders otherwise unimpeded approach to the football”. That would make holding legal if the blocker keeps his body in the way, but illegal the moment the defender is “going around” but still being held. Sadly we may never have the privilege of knowing!
by John Edwards on Nov 15, 2011 7:35 PM PST up reply actions
There's more stuff in that pdf at the link
but I’m not sure if I understand it.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Nov 15, 2011 5:48 PM PST up reply actions
Shoot and phooey on me, I didn't catch that the pdf you linked was straight from the nfl's website.
I guess my rules speculations are moot!
by John Edwards on Nov 15, 2011 7:50 PM PST up reply actions
It's easy to understand.
A legal block vs. a hold is defined as referee’s discretion, wherein a large market legacy team high in jersey/memorabilia sales blocks can be deemed legal when against unknown talent on quasi expansion teams. Block is illegal when it can be determined to be detrimental to more marketable teams.
70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.
You gotta think pass rush is top priority this off season.
Such a shame Aaron didn’t work-out for us. I guess Teebow thinks he’s OK though.
Hey, thx for the shoutout and the gentle reminder I don't need to keep mentioning the gap assignments ; )
Head of catering.
Please don't stop
I always forget, and it helps to be reminded often. :)
by Matt Erickson on Nov 15, 2011 2:42 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I'm pretty sure Seattle is the worst team in the NFC West when it comes to pressure and sacks from 4 man and 3 man rushes
So they have to get pressure from blitzes. I don’t know a site that can put up stats for number of blitzes, but I guarantee Seattle is in the bottom 10 of the league.
I respect your opinion even though it's wrong.
Maybe we shouldn't be dogmatic about sacks being an empty result stat.
Tell that to Lofa Tatupu after he whiffed on Drew Brees. Taking into account the currently dominant QB model – scrambling, elusive, improvising – I have to feel that there’s value in getting the QB on the ground and actually ending the play. Basically, neither pressure with no sacks nor sacks with no pressure are guaranteed to lead to things.
http://17power.blogspot.com
Sacks definitely have value.
I think he’s just trying to say sacks in spite of a lack of consistent pressure can be a big problem even when you have the sack numbers. The wording may seem more dismissive than he’s trying to be.
I think we’d all prefer consistent pressure. You gotta figure, over enough snaps, if the pressure is good enough it will yield sacks. And when sacks are no couped, pass plays can still be affected.
Head of catering.
by jacobstevens on Nov 16, 2011 8:21 AM PST up reply actions
Its kind of amazing
Seatle has the 30th ranked pass rush, an anemic offense, and still managed to beat a couple of good teams,. I am thinking it is similar to the qb situation. You can build a deep team and devise good schemes and that will take you a ways. But nothing can substitute for a top-flight pass rushing lineman.

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