Seahawks at Rams: Wishes for Baby Seahawks
A funny thing happened on the way to picking up a top 5 pick for the Seahawks. They just won too many games and by week 14 they could realistically have played themselves out of the top 10.
Prior to the season, projections may have sat around six wins on average, and maybe eight or nine on the high end because of the state of the NFC West. After starts of 0-2, 1-3, and 2-6, one could reasonably expect at different points of the season that because of bad play at quarterback, no running game, and injuries to the secondary, that grabbing the second best quarterback in the draft was still a viable option.
A win over the Ravens, a "W" that was not expected to be there, may seriously re-adjust those expectations. Per Danny O'Neil, the Hawks are one of five teams in the NFL to have beaten two teams with a minimum of six wins currently. (Along with Baltimore, Pittsburgh, San Francisco, and Green Bay.)
Don't get me wrong. I always hate this moment. The moment when a person tries to make a prognostication of a win total and then people who sorely disagree say that person is "too optimistic, living in a dream land" or "too negative, we're better than that."
Nobody knows for sure if the Seahawks will finish with three wins, with 10 wins, or with something in between. Commonsense tells us the total will be somewhere in between. The possibility of 10 wins is probably less than 1%. I would guess the probability of three wins isn't quite that low, but not very high. My only point is that most of us believed the Hawks would be 2-7 before Sunday. Now we have to account for an extra win. And the next four games setup in a very interesting way.
If I've learned one thing in my life from betting or survivor pools, it's that you can go broke very quickly if you don't take homefield advantage seriously.
After the trip to St. Louis this week, the Seahawks play three straight at home. The combined record of those teams: 8-19. Don't be fooled by the fancy speed and big names of the Eagles. They've earned every bit of their 3-6 record.
Take the next four games, coupled with a week 16 game against a Niners team that will have locked up the division by then and a week 17 game against the Cardinals, and the Seahawks might (might) wind up with 7-8 wins. (This is the time when you call me a moron that needs to go back where he came from. But that would be silly because that means I'd be closer to you in Seattle, not further away.)
That would mean no top 10 pick. Last season the 7-9 teams were St. Louis and Miami and they picked 14th and 15th. The 8-8 teams were Jacksonville and Oakland and they picked 16th and 17th (sorry for explaining the obvious.) The difference between six wins and eight wins will have a significant impact the draft standings. Robert Griffin III could move his draft stock up to being the solid #2 QB and that could be good news if you're a Matt Barkley fan or bad news if you're an RG3 fan, but either way, the Hawks could very well play themselves out of the top two QBs.
A lot will be learned this week in a game that shows just how much better, or equal, we are to the Rams.
Also, I'm not ignoring the losses of James Carpenter or John Moffitt, the concussions suffered against the Ravens, or the possibility that the Hawks could just completely fall apart over the last seven games. I'm just guessing that three wins is the minimum amount of games the Hawks win down the stretch.
A win on the road in St. Louis would be the birth of a new attitude for Seattle fans this year. I think people are kind of expecting that the Hawks lose this game. The last time we pulled a major upset was in week five, and then coming off of the bye we played our worst game of the season and lost to Cleveland.
Of course, we were without four starters on offense in that game. Again, we will be without at least two parts of our offensive line in St. Louis, and potentially more important pieces of our offense. If they lose, we'll say "of course." If they win, we'll say "Of Course! That's what men do!" and the Hawks will return home for three games feeling good about the improvements that they've made.
We'll be welcoming home a new breed of Hawk. One that can turn this season around and salvage some dignity in the 2011 season. I welcome this baby Hawk and courtesy of this nugget from thelilbee.com, here are my Wishes for Baby:
I hope you learn... to gel on the offensive line fast
So we officially say farewell to the rookie season that was James Carpenter. I think that Carpenter experienced more lows this year than he did highs, but I also believe that he was making strides in the right direction. I didn't expect him to be some dominating right tackle from the get-go. I don't think people should have expected that.
He made too many mistakes and they often negated the good work that he did. At least, from the fans perspective when we hear your number called by the refs more often than we hear your name called by the announcers.
And farewell to the rookie year of John Moffitt. I feel I didn't get to know you as well as I did Carpenter, whether that's a good thing or a bad thing. You did have struggles, but the closer a player gets to the middle of the line, the more unnoticed you go. It's tackles that take the most credit and the most blame for their play. Your injury isn't as publicized as Carpenter both because of his first round draft status and his position, but both of your losses are important. How important?
Paul McQuistan isn't making his first trip around the block. Familiar with Tom Cable from his days in Oakland, he's been in the league since 2006. No team seems comfortable enough to go into a season with him as starter, but as a backup he's fine. We don't expect you to wow us into winning a starting position next year. McQuistan feels more like a 28-year-old relief pitcher called up to the bigs for the first third time in his career simply because someone was needed.
Breno Giacomini is in his fourth season, most of it spent on practice squads. He'll play a more important role in the offense as right tackle, and maybe their is still potential there to learn something. I don't expect the Seahawks pass protection to struggle as much as it's run blocking.
I just want to see these guys avoid mistakes and glaring "Oh my God Tarvaris is going to get killed!" moments.
Football Outsiders ranks the Hawks as one of the worst performing lines in football, but I would have to assume those numbers have been improving as the season has gone along. Just as you would expect from the youngest line in the game.
Additionally, I want to say that I do see the detriment that two major injuries to our two top picks could bring to the franchise and the offensive line, but in the short-term, I believe it is manageable. The strength of this team wasn't the offensive line to begin with.
I hope you aren't afraid... to run the football
Against the Saints, Marshawn Lynch achieved Certified Legend status. One run to rule them all. But that was last season and this is this season. Lynch is going to be looking for a new contract after the year, and multi-year deals aren't built off of single runs.
In his first four games, Lynch ran the ball 46 times for 141 yards, an average of 3.06 yards per carry.
In his last four games, he has ran the ball 83 times 366 yards, an average of 4.40 yards per carry.
Lynch also hasn't faced very many bad run defenses this year: San Francisco, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Dallas, and Baltimore. He's been tested and over the last two games he's won the battle. It felt like Lynch willed us to win over Baltimore (let's give credit where credit is due... to everybody) and he's scored a touchdown in each of his last five games.
In those last five games that Lynch has played, the Hawks have averaged 383 yards of offense.
In the other four games: 195 yards.
The Rams have given up the most yards against the run in the league, allowing over 150 per game. It will be interesting to see what happens when the two new guys on the right side of the line and Lynch meet the league's worst run defense. The Hawks probably won't be afraid to give it to Marshawn 30 times, and if that happens it almost certainly means that we won.
I hope you love.... eating Ram for dinner
It's interesting what people have chosen to eat or not eat. I mean, I can only assume that ram tastes terrible, but that would mean that at some point someone had to eat ram.
I had emu once and it tasted like mud scraped off of an old bicycle tire. So why do people in Australia continue to eat it?
But animals will eat anything. I hope that a Hawks favorite delicacy is ram and that they swoop down and take a bite. I hear the horns are filled with Nutella.
I hope you get... Doug Baldwin the ball
Pending health.
Dougie Fresh is one of the major pieces of the future of the Seahawks. I love Sidney Rice more and more each week, but Baldwin as the "other guy" has been exciting to watch. Interestingly, outside of the Giants game, he hasn't been a major factor in our three wins.
He had the 50 yard catch against Baltimore, but the Hawks are still 1-3 in games in which Baldwin gets a minimum of 4 catches and 70 yards.
This isn't a slight on Baldwin himself. He's not only a rookie wide receiver, one of the toughest positions to adjust to from college to the pros, but he's an undrafted rookie wide receiver. I'm just saying, I like it when he's involved. It's personal favoritism. Its greediness on my part that maybe he can Dougie himself up to 900 yards receiving as a rookie.
I find that successful offenses aren't simply built around having a number one wide receiver as much as they are built on having wide receiver depth. The Patriots, Steelers, Saints, Packers, Cowboys, and Giants all have great depth. If Baldwin was unable to build on this awesome start to his career, you'll see a big drop-off in depth when looking at Golden Tate, Mike Williams, and Ben Obomanu.
We need you Dougie.
I hope you laugh... at the Rams mistakes
One thing that the Rams have not done this year is turn the ball over very much.
Sam Bradford has thrown four interceptions over 257 attempts. They've fumbled the fourth most balls in the NFL but two of those belong to A.J. Feeley, one to Cadillac Williams, three to Greg Salas (out) and one to Danny Amendola (out.)
Bradford has fumbled seven times and Steven Jackson twice.
In their three wins, the Hawks have been the benefactors of 10 turnovers by the opposing offense. In their six losses, they've only seen the other team cough it up four times.
St. Louis has turned the ball over at least once in every game, but never more than twice. they also haven't forced more than two turnovers in any game. If their pattern holds true, this game won't be mistake-free but it won't be mistake-heavy either. If our pattern does, than we may see a whole lot of turnovers.
"Winning the turnover battle" is the most obvious goal there is outside of "scoring more points than the other team." Seattle will just need to take advantage of any opportunity they get. If you intercept a pass or recover a fumble, please do whatever you can to take it to the house. We've seen too often what happens in the red zone.
I hope you never forget... we all love you
Win or lose, we won't have to choose
The Hawks are the team we chose
Go out and fight, all through the night
Hawks and 12th man are bros
(I guess I'm just into poetry now.)
I hope you ignore... the non-believers
I'm a believer. Yes, I definitely am.
Not everybody is. I know there are those out there who aren't sure if this team is headed in the right direction, and others that honestly believe that they aren't. Not to say that is the majority, or even a faction of people that even merit mentioning, but I'm going to mention it anyway.
I've been thinking about this a lot lately. About how you identify a team that's on the cusp of being good. There are a lot of different ways of thinking about this, a lot of different angles, and no right answer. History is a telling and often accurate way to find answers when looking ahead, but it's not perfect. In fact, it's when history is wrong that we most fall in love with sport.
When I think about teams "on the cusp" I often think about teams like Stanford football. I think about when they were terrible and they beat USC. They didn't win many games, but they won some big games and they held tight. I for some reason also always think about ASU basketball from a few years back before they became a top 25 team for a short time. For a couple of years they were bad but they put a scare in everybody.
Now the Seahawks sit here at 3-6, one year after finishing 7-9. Over the last four seasons: 19-38. Nothing to show for our first round pick after finishing 4-12 in 2008 (Aaron Curry) isn't a good way to start. Russell Okung and Earl Thomas the next year were steps in the right direction. James Carpenters time on the shelf could hold us back again.
But there's still a lot of good:
Ride, Baldwin, Okung, Thomas, Kam Chancellor, Brandon Mebane, Richard Sherman, Red Bryant, and Max Unger for starters. Then the next level of good potentially being: Zach Miller, Robert Gallery, re-signing Lynch, re-signing David Hawthorne, LeRoy Hill, KJ Wright, and a healthy return of Walter Thurmond and the lineman. I'm sure there are varying opinions on all of those.
I see a team that has gotten better as the season has gone on. A team that's been competitive for the majority of the year, not a doormat. I mean, look at the AFC West. Would you rather be Kansas City or Denver? I'm not even so sure I'd rather be San Diego. I'm happy with the players we've got and I hope we do add the quarterback of the future, a good one, next year.
I hope you become... one of the meanest defenses in the NFL
I want to see more smashmouth football on Sunday. I want to see players that just plain don't give a darn! People call Ndamakong Suh a dirty player? Give me 11 of him. Bill Romanowski may be a lot of things, he may be a total douche, but in the end he'll just tell you that he won four Super Bowls.
Being a dirty player, being a tough player, playing to win the game and not to avoid fines, doesn't seem to cost teams wins. I'm not calling Kam Chancellor a dirty player, but the way he plays is the way I like to see football players play.
We may all hate the Steelers, for good reason, but in the end they've been to the most Super Bowls recently and they are definitely the dirtiest team in the NFL.
You won't lose any fans by putting stickers on your helmet.
These Hawks are one of the youngest teams in the NFL. At times, they play like it. At other times, I see the potential of a ferocious defense, and an offense that could be explosive with a few adjustments.
This game against the Rams won't make a huge difference in the grand scheme of things. If the Rams win, then both teams will be at 3-7. If the Hawks win, then we'll be two games ahead of St. Louis and two games under .500 with six games left. Many of them winnable.
I know that we need to draft the quarterback that's going to lead us back to the playoffs, but we've already played ourselves out of the top two available. Winning seven or eight games might seem meaningless to some, but if Seattle were to finish the season on a positive note then they'll be more amped up to get back on the field in 2012 and continue that good feeling.
The Lions were 2-10 last season and some fans might have wanted them to lose their final four games in order to secure a top pick. A win over Green Bay in week 14 was the start of a four-game winning streak that hurt their draft order considerably, but also helped change the attitude in Detroit.
We need to change the attitude here. We need to lose the adolescence. We can grow up considerably over the next seven games and that's a good thing. It's a great thing when you consider how not cute a baby hawk is:
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Are there really Hawks fans that expect us to lose this game against the Rams?
Because that freaking baffles me.
The Rams offense has been dreadful. Their strength is Stephen Jackson. This comes against the effective, healthy Hawks defense that excels against the run. Advantage: Seahawks
The Seahawks, like you mentioned, have been running the ball VERY well the past few weeks, and against some of the toughest defenses in the NFL. According to Football Outsiders, the most effective runs have gone between LT/LG and LG/C, so the loss of Moffit and Carpenter may not effect the running game that much. And the Rams D has allowed the most rushing yards per game. Advantage: Seahawks
Hawks Passing game isn’t great, but the Rams D is down like … 10 cornerbacks. And every single Seahawks participated in full practice on Thursday, so all our dominant WRs should play. Advantage: Seahawks
The Rams passing offense has been bad, but Bradford is healthy and he’s getting some weapons back from injury. Hawks pass D has bee slightly below average. Pass rush has been pretty bad. Rams are at home. Advantage: slight edge to Rams.
How are we going to lose this game, again?
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by Nick Andron on Nov 18, 2011 10:22 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
The matchup is arranged in a way that we should actually destroy them pretty badly.
I just don’t know how the Moffitt & Carpenter injuries change things. Let’s say we at least start slow because of the game time. Their pass rush is getting to us chronically from the right side. A cose game, frustration killing confidence, a few bad calls going against us. I could see us losing, but I do expect to at least win close, if not run away with it.
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by jacobstevens on Nov 18, 2011 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
Yep, that's the big wild card.
I’m expecting more Miller on the right side. Which will be fine, because their pass pro guys are so inexperienced, I don’t think we’ll need a TE threatening the middle to have an effective passing game.
Honestly, I think it comes down to Tarvaris. Even under relatively little pressure, he had a pretty bad game against the Cowboys. If he can play more like he did against the Ravens (good, not great), that’ll be enough to seal the deal.
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by Nick Andron on Nov 18, 2011 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
You just jinxed it
the crowds will be calling for your head come Monday
Heresy grows from idleness.
by Corax --Nevermore-- on Nov 18, 2011 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
I'll stand ready to accept full responsibility.
Head of catering.
by jacobstevens on Nov 18, 2011 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
I will clarify. I thought about clarifying it when I was proofreading but I guess in my head I was like "No, that makes sense" but I suppose I was wrong.
As a Seahawks fan, I almost expect to lose this game because we should win this game. Coming off of the high of a big win, it’s just sort of a “Seattle thing” where we say “Oh, of course we lost. F@#$ing Seahawks, man” just like how we folded against the Browns after winning in New York.
You’re use of logic and reason is correct but I’m not using logic and reason, I’m using “Seahawks.” That’s why a win, for me at least, would be a step in the direction of saying, “Let’s change that attitude” like when it was the heyday of the mid-2000s.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Nov 18, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
Haha, fair enough.
By the way – their left tackle (Saffold) getting an MRI today on a pec injury.
Still think we’ll lose? =P
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by Nick Andron on Nov 18, 2011 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
I'm not concerned about their offense scoring many points. I'm not even concerned about our offense scoring points.
Maybe something weird happens on special teams again, I don’t know.
If you looked at it only on paper, the Hawks should win by three touchdowns probably.
But:
The Hawks are 1-4 on the road.
Two new starters on the o-line.
The Rams have won 2 of their last 3 with a win over the Saints at home, nearly 3 straight if not for a Patrick Peterson 99 yard punt return in OT.
Plenty of reasons why I could see the Hawks losing this game. I think its similar to Ravens fans who told us “I don’t like this game” before we played them even though we expected Bal to win.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Nov 18, 2011 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
Exactly
This is just how things work. The hawks should not have beat Baltimore. The Broncos should not have beat the Jets last night (every NFLN analyst picked the Jets…) Always go with the underdog.
by William Bryan on Nov 18, 2011 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
Anyone else think Tim Tebow is like Neo?
An ‘Anomaly’?
Heresy grows from idleness.
by Corax --Nevermore-- on Nov 18, 2011 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
Ask yourself who your QB will be, and that should tell you how you can lose.
No slogans. Just win!!!
by drgarnett on Nov 18, 2011 5:43 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Eatin stuff
Im an Australian, and although emu is vaguely edible, we dont eat it.
We eat a whole lot of sheep though, and a ram is just good old mutton. Chew em up, and spit out the bones.
Eat goat?
I like goat, good flavor if fresh. Goat curry is great the way my mom makes it.
Heresy grows from idleness.
by Corax --Nevermore-- on Nov 18, 2011 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
After serving in Aghanistan
and having to eat goat because our FOB was not able to get resupplied, I can confidently say I will never eat goat again in my life. I am a meat eater love meat and this stuff was bad. Really really bad.
Really?
You must’ve had bad goat or something. Did you see the animals killed in front of you? Let me tell you, sick goat tastes horrible.
Heresy grows from idleness.
by Corax --Nevermore-- on Nov 18, 2011 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
Goat in the states is not the same as goat in the desert
Especially when you are eating with locals, who only eat with their right hand and pick off of your pile. Its life changing in a bad way.
they took turns pissing into the bitch's ocular cavities.
This way to the cafeteria!
Ahhhh....what a great lifestyle
how they have so changed since one thousand years ago….
Heresy grows from idleness.
by Corax --Nevermore-- on Nov 18, 2011 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
Stufr you must be a military man or a vet
You are absolutely correct in the way the locals grab off your pile which is really disgusting, but we had actually run out of food at the FOB so we had to purchase goats from the locals for a two week period. We almost ran out of water too, which would have been really bad as well.
I bet goat is good in the states, I’ve just got really bad memories of goat and it being the only food available. You either ate it or you starved, so we ate it. I made a promise to myself after that, when I got home I would never eat another food I don’t like again, ever.
Anyhow, back to football I guess.
Funny thing
Im in Afghanistan as well, and its funny, at my FOB, the cooks try to have theme night and on Mexican night, instead of like a burrito or something, it was lamb curry, but they labeled it spanish lamb curry, I was like wtf!!! Im sooooo sick of lamb curry, we have it every day. I know what my dog feels like now.
Make It Matter
by Seahawk Junky on Nov 18, 2011 10:14 PM PST up reply actions
Curried goat is the most amazing thing on the face of the earth.
Head of catering.
by jacobstevens on Nov 18, 2011 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
I've had kangaroo before
Doesn’t taste too different from beef, actually. A little bit more dry, a little bit more gamey, but not bad at all.
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The goats were not in good living conditions
Had feces and stuff matted in the fur. The meat had a distinct flavor that was akin to their smell. Yes I saw them killed in front of me which didn’t bother me at the time. Now it would although I still eat meat, but now I don’t hunt anymore, philosophical changes and I don’t want to kill another living creature.
Okay
yeah, the reason I asked was to see if you knew what condition the goat was in. Yeah, the goats here (US) are pretty well kept, nice and healthy and all. They’d taste much better.
Heresy grows from idleness.
by Corax --Nevermore-- on Nov 18, 2011 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
Baby hawks are "not cute"?
But look at that picture. One baby hawk has its fuzzy widdle wing around the other.
Aaawwwwwwww.
by Groundhog on Nov 18, 2011 3:08 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Pretty sure he's just saying
“Don’t bother feeding this one… see, he can’t even sit up straight.”
by TrynZushi on Nov 18, 2011 6:33 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I won't mind if we lose this game
St. Louis has a very very low fan base and they could use a little cheering up. Seriously go check out Turf show times, there is ALMOST no one there. If we lose it will be like charity work.
Watching the Seahawks is like peeing on yourself, everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling it brings
by DKrottenhawk on Nov 18, 2011 8:54 PM PST via mobile reply actions
The Rams seem like a government funded sports franchise to me
Ugly uniforms, shitty stadium, no energy in the fanbase. I feel bad for them too.
by jhmg16 on Nov 19, 2011 9:16 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You're right about the Rams fanbase needing a bit of cheering up...
… Turf Show Times has a absolutely great member base. The comments on our posts drops when injury news hits (i.e. – yesterday with the R. Safford news). Though we haven’t had much to cheer about this season and we have our share E.A. Poe-nics rapping out their doom and gloom, we have, in my opinion, one of the funnier sites around.
Some posts get a few comments, while others get almost gameday thread numbers. A fiction post not long ago had over 1000 comments and the day Lloyd was acquired traffic topped 47000 PVs in a day.
Field Gulls is a great site, but so is TST and I’m thoroughly honored to write for our growing Rams rabble of readers. I hope you’ll all drop by for the Monday Night Photo Caption contest we run each week. It cracks me up every time.
All the best, and here’s to a great game this Sunday!
by Douglas M on Nov 19, 2011 10:53 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, the commentary might be down on some posts of late but TST actually has more overall readership than Field Gulls.
They’re a great community, and I’m a big fan of a LOT of their writing. Thanks for stopping by this week Douglas and keep up the good work over at TST.
Surely we can have a few
gratuitous cheap shots at both the Rams and Turf Show Times. Come on Seahawks fans, where is your competitive spirit?
Just to help get it started: TST doesn’t really have readers, most of its PVs are there to look at pictures of the cheerleaders. Next, more than a few of its PVs are by people who googled animal husbandry, and ended up at the site by accident. There, now I feel much better. BTW, shouldn’t Field Gulls have pictures of the Seahawks cheerleaders, or for that matter, anybody’s cheerleaders?
The Seahawks winning feels really, really good
during and immediately after the season. And then, at the combine and as draft day looms, it makes me feel really, really depressed. Kenneth Arthur, is this a mild form of manic-depressive behavior, or is this just the reality of being a Seahawks’ groupie? Anyway, a good read.

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