Appreciating the Potential Return of Tarvaris Jackson
Yesterday, when addressing the Week 8 loss to Cincinnati, I put Tarvaris Jackson as the picture representing the post. This is ironic because I failed to mention him or even bring up his importance to the Seahawks.
Though Whitehurst sealed the deal in Week 5, the increased efficiency and potential of the offense is apparent with with Jackson under center, the value of his experience has now become clearer. After the Cleveland loss I noted that the fans may now unite around Jackson; conversely, Whitehurst got booed last week when he entered for a 4th down play late in the game.
The time that Jackson spent off the field over the course of three games was equivalent to clock time of roughly two games. There are only nine games left and the Seahawks are simply trying to get rolling and out of this hole created by a two-game slide. Jackson needs to be the quarterback for those nine games, it was clear after the game.
One of the most memorable moments for me about the loss to the Bengals came after the Cincinnati pick-six, when the camera became fixated on Jackson on the sideline. He was staring at the ground and then appeared to look at someone with this "really… we’ve got to fix this..." type look.
This happened after Jackson hurt his knee on the third to last drive, but went back in on the next drive. He proceeded to get crunched when throwing a pick to Reggie Nelson, but got back up to chase Nelson down the field before he scored. One thing is clear: T-Jax is one tough dude and is the leader of this offense.
Right after Jackson shifted his vision, Carroll walked at Jackson across the screen, with body language that I thought was on a very similar level to that of Jackson. It wasn't a hostile look and I’m speculating, but it looked like it was a starting QB and coach, "what the hell do we do next?" type exchange. This was my interpretation based on the TV camera angle and for whatever reason the exchange gave me more confidence in Jackson.
This post is sort of an extension of my post from yesterday, which I fear may have been misconstrued a bit. In a nutshell, the Seahawks are finding themselves in a position where they need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps after losing two very winnable games. That look on Jackson's face said it all: it's gut check time. Time to get this ship righted. As the quarterback and captain, a lot of that is on him.
In recent days Carroll praised Jackson's toughness, trying to stress to the media that this is a major injury ailing Jackson. Apparently Jackson is not 100% and it's possible he will deal with pain all season. The impression I've gotten about the injury is that it's a matter of pain tolerance. It seems as though Jackson is ready to and currently tolerating that pain.
I definitely think his absence has contributed to the little losing streak, but I’m also happy we’ve learned the marked difference between Whitehurst and Jackson. Heading into the Cleveland game there was some sentiment the "drop off" wasn’t considerable. Now, there is certainly less of that.
We saw the no huddle work well with Jackson on multiple occasions before his injury, and at times it was explosive. The success in the no huddle allowed the Seahawks to go to an up-tempo, tone setting offense. Heading into the Cleveland game, one of the concerns I did address was the offense potentially having issues adjusting to Whitehurst’s cadence. Unfortunately, it looked as though it was an issue.
Carroll went as far as to say in retrospect, part of the reason they think the no huddle hasn’t worked as well in the past few games is because Jackson hasn’t been back to keep it going. It's worth noting that Seattle moved the ball well against Cincinnati by mixing the no huddle instead of relying on it. But now that he's potentially back, Seattle can continue experimenting.
We’re now at nearly midseason and the Seahawks are in a tenuous situation at 2-5, but it helps that we know who should be the quarterback. I’ve said repeatedly to a few people; I wouldn’t truly be satisfied with 2011 if we didn’t at least see a glimpse of Charlie Whitehurst. I think a lot of people felt this way.
I was admittedly hopeful going into Cleveland, and now I must admit I'm over it (not to make judgment on how Whitehurst's career will turn out). The somewhat selfish hope to see Whitehurst start has been more than satisfied. I’m fine with the flop, because it brought clarity.
Regardless of what’s "realistic," this team doesn’t want to lose a lot of games this year. Jackson is intent on playing if he can and wants to get some wins. And for an offense that needs to "get rid of the newness" and desires consistency along the offensive line, I for one am appreciative Jackson could start this weekend and more importantly, its clear he is the right choice.
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Very good point
there was a lot of talk about how the dropoff wasn’t that big. Now we know – TJack is probably servicable (waiting to land final judgement until end of season), maybe a bit more. It’s possible he sticks around for another year, as a McNabb type bridge to the youngster we’ll probably bring in this draft.
Heresy grows from idleness.
by Corax --Nevermore-- on Nov 2, 2011 12:01 PM PDT reply actions
Do you mean
“another year” being through 2013?
Or just that he will be here to complete his current 2 year contract?
yeah, 2013
If he’s good, he’ll be able to rub off on the young guy for a year or two
Heresy grows from idleness.
by Corax --Nevermore-- on Nov 2, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I can't forsee a one year deal really, especially if he's halfway decent here.
He’ll prob get another 2 or 3 year and it would be assumed that QBOTF would be taking over during the course of that time span and he’d be a veteran backup. Which I’d be ok with as long as they continue to pay him backup money.
Couldn't agree more...
I always thought we should give T-Jack a chance to show what he can do. All the naysayers can now (hopefully) see what PC saw in him to give him the reigns right at the beginning and not have any doubt he was capable of running the offense. Jackson demostrated his leadership and toughness beautifully this last game and I am excited to see him improve.
by richDad on Nov 2, 2011 12:02 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Tavaris
Is definitely the better QB. The no huddle just makes that more obvious.
When in the NH, this team looks explosive and plays to their strengths. Even the running game vastly improves.
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by JRock419 on Nov 2, 2011 12:04 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
...you mean....
in the no huddle, the offensive line GELS?
Imma gellin.
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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Nov 2, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Reply fail?
Heresy grows from idleness.
by Corax --Nevermore-- on Nov 2, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
No he actually walked into this party with a bowl of balled melon and he's offering you some.
Head of catering.
by jacobstevens on Nov 2, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Incorrect
the melon was clearly gellin’.
Heresy grows from idleness.
by Corax --Nevermore-- on Nov 2, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
If melon's gellin' it's smellin'.
Head of catering.
by jacobstevens on Nov 2, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
That melon's who's smellin' is clearly a felon.
Heresy grows from idleness.
by Corax --Nevermore-- on Nov 2, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Felon melons that start smellin' end up dead just like Magellan.
by SmartAssCoug on Nov 2, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Magellan died of the Slow Clap? thought that just made your piss burn
Smashmouth is the new sexy!
How did this go twelve hours without a rec?
"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."
Also, when do those fanposts to the opposing team go up, usually?
Thursday?
Heresy grows from idleness.
by Corax --Nevermore-- on Nov 2, 2011 12:35 PM PDT reply actions
I'm not sure Cowboy fans even realize that the Seahawks exist.
Nah, I’m sure they’re a great bunch of people…..maybe the opponent fanpost slipped through their hands, or something.
Playoffs. 2006.
Oh, yeah, we know.
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by Tom Ryle on Nov 2, 2011 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I came around on Tarvaris after the Giants game,
especially after reviewing the tape and seeing how relatively easy Whitehurst’s successful drive was in execution and how it could have and should have actually been so much better. That and how at the time the three & outs were all but forgotten by many of us because he had one impressively successful drive.
I kind of feel like how much I’ve warmed up to him is about maxxed out. The tenacity he showed against Cincinnati did improve it a little. I think there is a ceiling, though. I can appreciate and kinda feel bad for how we received him and how he’ll probably will have turned out a fairly noble effort considering all things, possibly not getting credit for what he did do, yet all the while it just won’t be enough for us to need to take a shot at a big upgrade in the draft next year, which will require the kind of commitment that ultimately shuts the door on him.
But possibly this can turn into a late-developing game manager career that will fit a few other places, and he can have a Tommy Maddox-like season or two somewhere.
Head of catering.
You Guys have got to be kidding
Another 3-5 years of TJax? Call up a Vikings fan and ask them how that worked for them. This is his exact MO, a couple of good games getting everyone all excited and saying, “Wow, look at Jackson go! Dude, this guys is a GREAT Quarterback!” Then, guess what, deer in the headlights again. This team, hell any team, is not going to win consistently with this guy under center. Yes, he looked better than CW in his last couple of starts, but don’t get enamored. One thing he definitely is not; QBotF We don’t have an NFL Quarterback on the roster right now. Just a couple of pretenders. I watched TJax for years with the Vikings and, as an opponent, loved it when I found out he was starting. The guy is a bum. Get over it and look at more than a couple of games.
You guys did.
Pay attention.
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by Thomas Beekers on Nov 2, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I keep hearing this and am not sure what the standard is...
Most QBs have good and bad games, especially inexperienced QBs. So when I hear this criticism I wonder what/who TJ is being compared to. Eli Manning, Tony Romo, Kyle Orton, Jay Cutler, Mark Sanchez are all inconsistent IMHO; but, legit starting, if not franchise, QBs. This line of criticism is based on TJ’s first 20 games during the first 4 years of his career…
So although this criticism may be validated down the road, I think it is premature and borders on unjustified at this point.
by moxr on Nov 2, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's awfully dismissive
All those quarterbacks are in fact significantly hampered by their inconsistency yet none of them, except possibly Culter and Sanchez, have quite the inconsistency of Jackson. That level of inconsistency is more the type Flacco has been displaying this year, or what Grossman made a career out of. Tarvaris is a very up-and-down quarterback and so far in his career that has stopped him from being a legitimate long-term option. Is it possible that this changed now? Not really. Does that mean bringing it up as a point when analyzing his career as a whole rather than just the last handful of games? Aww heeeeeell nooo.
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by Thomas Beekers on Nov 2, 2011 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Has Jackson ever displayed the kind of performance he has with us these past few games?
Not that that dismisses inconsistency, but my brief study of his Minnesota career was chronic inconsistency all along, including during the same games where a few good plays, Rice bailouts and lucky bounces led to him providing good production at times which led to success, but never really demonstrated a stretch of over a game of more or less consistently decent performance.
Proving nothing, unless my recollection of his Minnesota career is wrong, the career performance he’s displayed lately is legit, limited evidence that his development has reached the point where his Viking play is not an indicator of what his future play figures to be like.
Head of catering.
I'm not quite ready to commit to that yet
He usually had a low number of attempts with the Vikings but has certainly had games where he looked legit, mostly at the end of 2008 until he hit the playoffs and skidded again. And Rice was never that big a factor for him.
I’m impressed, but I’m not exactly sold yet.
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by Thomas Beekers on Nov 2, 2011 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
He was named offensive player of the week once in Minny.
He may have put up career highs in yardage here, but they are nowhere near his career best games. He’s had some dominating performances. Followed up by Clemons choking the shit out of him.
But I’ll say this, the season has proven him to be light years better than Charlie.
70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.
So wait, is his inconsistency over yet?
Tell me now, I have water boiling.
Not sure
what I said to get the “dismissive” blast…
Some people think they are 100% right that TJax can never improve as a football player
and have been so vocal in that regard, that they begin to defend the position quite vigorously even in the face of a valid question. Response posts when you to make a reasonable argument that he is actually already a middle of the road NFL quarterback not significantly different than Sanchez, Flacco, Cutler etc will be met with non-logical or personal attacks (like the dismissive comment). For these kinds of posters, everything is black and white. I look at a team that has potential to be middle of the road at every starter position given some development time, and far better than anything we had last 2 years, but the response is “Advanced NFL stats” don’t support that. The reality is that noone knows what the ceiling is for Jackson – or the team, and people who say they “know” don’t really understand the complexity of the equation.
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by pqlqi on Nov 2, 2011 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Wow, people are never 100% right.
This is a strong statement.
Of course no one knows for sure what Jackson’s ceiling is. But there is such a thing as probability, and I’d guess the only reason anyone here thinks Jackson might suddenly get better than he has is because he’s a Seahawk.
Wow
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by Thomas Beekers on Nov 3, 2011 7:01 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm not an extremist; I'm not advocating 3-5 more years of TJax NOR am I basing all of my conclusions on what he did as a Viking.
We really don’t know what we have in Tarvaris Jackson yet, and we also don’t know what exactly Pete Carroll and the Seahawks FO see in him, either. I don’t think any conclusions have been made either way, and we can get enamored with TJax without losing perspective. In the last 3 games he has appeared in he has thrown for 319 yards, 166 yards (in less than 3 quarter’s worth of play) and 323 yards, while his completion percentage has been over 61% for those 3 games combined. Those are good numbers, and we should be enamored with those numbers, but anyone calling for him to be re-signed for the next 5 years based on those numbers would be crazy.
Tarvaris Jackson is not playing like a bum right now.
by J.L. White on Nov 2, 2011 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I see a new & improved Senaca Wallace when he's out there.
Now a new & improved Matt to go with & the QB position will be a groovy thing .
Tavaris to start 2012!......
he shows signs of good things, very good things
by SpankySpanks12 on Nov 2, 2011 4:24 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm with you!
Gotta be optimistic right? We got him for cheap so its a try.
by SEA2HNL on Nov 2, 2011 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Jackson/qbotf/Portis will work for 2012
Or qbotf/Jackson if we get the right guy… either way we better draft someone. Jackson is only Mr. Right Now.
by TrynZushi on Nov 2, 2011 5:04 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Unless we can get one of those few top college QB guys...
Or make some kind of trade in the offseason (Flynn, etc), I don’t really see how TJ doesn’t start 2012. If he avoids further injuries, he will have the rest of this season to gel with his receivers (who he is already starting to get on the same page with- Baldwin, Obo, and of course Rice). Though I am not sold on him yet either, he would enter 2012 season with a real training camp, where his line would get even more work together as well. Building on an already somewhat surprising season here in Seattle.
This offseason/draft is going to be huge. So much opinions and so much to write…
You thought the Charlie/TJ argument was bad
Wait until it’s Charlie/draft pick.
by djafrot on Nov 2, 2011 6:40 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
portis sucks. im not a fan, and we can draft a QB but not start him right away, let them grow and learn.
in the mean time let T-Jax start
Dallas fan and Blogging The Boys writer here. (Covers head and ducks.)
I watched the replay of your last game on NFL.com (their Game Rewind is a cool thing at a good price – totally unsolicited plug). It is the only thing I have seen of the Seahawks this year, but just by the eyeball test, Jackson showed a lot more in the game than Whitehurst. I’d say that your biggest issue right now is the guys up front – Lynch was shut down, and both Jackson and Whitehurst got the snot beat out of them. But Jackson did show some streaks of good play, and I hope Rob Ryan and the Cowboys defense don’t take him lightly.
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by Tom Ryle on Nov 2, 2011 7:02 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for stopping in
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by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Nov 2, 2011 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Tavaris is not the answer.
Unless you have a historically good defense, QB’s the quality of Tavaris don’t get you deep in the playoffs. Unless he leaps a plateau, he isn’t good enough. This isn’t a debate, imo.
Tarvaris has played pretty well
all things considered, and I like his toughness and team-first attitude. It’s obvious that he’s not the long term answer, but he’s a good two-year solution. If our O-line could help him out a bit, we’d actually have a passing game that would give people some problems.
Tarvaris' upside: second best QB in Seahawks history
Not including Moon, of course. Before Hass came along, we went through many years of mediocre and terrible QB play. Let’s not assume that we’re going to solve the QB problem in the next draft. Even if the Seahawks draft one of the top 4 QBs, there’s a 50 percent chance he’ll be a bust. Having TJ on the roster as insurance would be a smart move.
He'll be on the roster, at least for next season..
Unless this front office does some real roster shuffling..
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by GriffinNW on Nov 2, 2011 8:35 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Dave Kriieg, Jim Zorn, moon,
Long way to go before he is fith best.
"Upside" is the operative word
I believe he can be better than Krieg and Zorn. Krieg was “much-maligned” and for good reason. He was a hot and cold QB with a major fumbling problem. I loved Krieg, but believe that TJ, if he improves, can be better. As for Zorn, I didn’t watch him (I became a fan only in ’83) but I gather that Krieg eclipsed him.
gamesmanship...
… or foolish risk?
Tarvaris may be fine for another year or two, but we need to DRAFT the QBOTF.
Sounds like he's giving TJ a chance to show what he can do
I don’t see anything wrong with that. If TJ puts up several more 300-yard games this season, then drafting a QB next year becomes less of a priority, especially with other needs.
His play in Minnesota shouldn't be counted on or counted against him
I see confidence in Tavaris. A hard, quiet demeanor and eagerness to lead a team to victories. He is playing alot better than before and it seems he trusts the oline a little more than before. I think he’s confident in sydney and now baldwin. I am unsure about the other receivers. Golden has steadily improved. I can see good things coming. The key is keeping him healthy. I like him.
whether we get the qb of the future. we sure as crap better not play him anytime soon. i would like to sit the rookie qb whoever it is at least 2 years. in the meantime i like tavaris


































