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Last Sunday against the Bengals I found myself doing something I'd never done before, questioning a blocking scheme.  I'm no Ben Muth and wouldn't pretend to be, but on one play in the second quarter the run blocking scheme was so odd I took notice.  It was something I kept in mind when I went back to rewatch the game and, sure enough, I started spotting other odd line schemes.  Below I've outlined three of them, the one that made me go back and look and two others I found.  

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1st & 10, 6:39 minutes left in the first quarter :

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Seattle lines up single back, two tight ends right with Sidney Rice motioning in on the strong side. The yellow lines are intended to indicate the blocking assignments.  The assignments are pretty straight forward with Moffit and Unger doubling up the 1 tech.  The weakside linebacker is circled in red and is unaccounted for.

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So far so good.  McCoy is moving out to block the middle linebacker and the right side of the line gets good push and walls off the unaccounted for defender. Marshawn Lynch takes the hand off to the weakside.

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Marshawn Lynch takes the hand off to the weakside and the seemingly walled off defender is now moves up to fill the hole.  Lynch does have the opportunity to bounce it to the outside where there is quite a bit of room.  He either doesn't see that, can't get there or chooses not to.  Meanwhile the strongside walls off and forms a nice running lane between Miller and McCoy. It would have left Lynch with either a safety or corner to beat  downfield (depending on who Rice gets to) instead of a linebacker.

In the interest of keeping this fanpost from becoming a mile long with photos I'll leave the result of the play out.  Suffice it to say the linebacker makes the tackle.

1st & 10, 3:00 minutes left in the first quarter:

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Another singleback set, one tight end on the right side with two WR tight on the left.  The Bengals do something interesting here that ultimately turns out to be meaningless. They walk Chris Crocker from his safety position on the strong side next to Reggie Nelson down to the weakside next to Brandon Johnson, over the tight receivers.  This puts eight in the box.

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The ball is snapped and you can see the blocking assignments in the previous picture take shape.  Okung and Gallery block the man across from them while Gallery and Moffit team up to block the 1 tech.  Carpenter, on the other hand, moves out into the second level to block the middle linebacker.  This leaves McCoy with both Carlos Dunlap and Manny Lawson to block.

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It does not go well.

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McCoy hesitates, attempts to block Dunlap, does not, and Lynch is forced straight into Lawson who cleans up.

2nd and 13, 6:29 left in the second quarter:

*Edit: I've uploaded a video of this play to youtube since it's a fairly complex play and is difficult to capture with pictures alone.

This is the play that I noticed while watching the game.  After finding the first two plays I skipped ahead to this one, since the pictures are making this a tad long. It's possible there were more headscratchers between the second one and this one.

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Shotgun, Lynch lined up on TJack's right side, Miller lined up off the line on fhe left side. Tate is split out to the right and two receivers are lined up tight wide. Carpenter and Moffit block down on Peko who is standing after running onto the field at the last second.  Unger blocks the 1 tech and Okung blocks the end.  Gallery and Miller pull to the right, with Gallery moving to pick up the end on Carpenter's side.

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Lynch takes the hand off heading to the left side of the offensive line while Gallery and Miller are pulling to the right side. It's difficult to get a picture of this but Lynch and Miller cross paths, forcing Lynch to do a hop step which brings him to a stop.  His momentum is killed and he effectively has to wait for Miller to get into position to lead block while the play is going on.

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Gallery blocks the defensive end.  Lynch hops right and stutter steps while waiting for Miller to lead the way between Unger and Gallery.  Moffit has fallen off Peko and Carpenter is quickly losing the battle.  This leaves two people for Miller to block once he gets through the hole, Peko and Brandon Johnson. This play has gone on for nearly two seconds and Lynch has moved forward about a yard and a half. 

Again, Lynch looks to have the option to bounce it out wide where there is quite a bit of space. However, Brandon Johnson probably has the angle on him if he tries.

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Peko is a terrible, terrible person. Moffit is laying dead on the ground, Carpenter has been sent flailing and he's currently busy torpedoing Gallery backwards into Lynch.  Lynch is staggered and cleaned up by Carlos Dunlap and none other than Kelly Jennings.

On the plus side of this play, look at Miller.  He explodes out of the hole and drives Brandon Johnson back a few yards.  It was a great, if ultimately useless, block. 

So there they are.  Three plays that looked designed to fail.  On the first the blocking seems designed one way while the run goes the other.  The second seems overly ambitious, with Carpenter moving out into the second level before accounting for all of the defenders on the line.  The third seems just...bad.  Just bad.  It's slow to develop, asks a lot of the pulling blockers and runs players over the top of each other.

Having said that, there are possible reasons for these plays to fail outside of scheme.  The first may have been designed for a cut back, something Lynch didn't or wasn't able to do.  Lynch also looked to have a lot of green if he had been able to bounce to the outside of Okung. The second could have been audibled out of by the quarterback.  It's possible that Charlie isn't trusted with audibles or that Charlie simply didn't see the mismatch.  On the third, Peko makes an absolute mess of things.  If either Carpenter or Moffit are able to keep him blocked Lynch may have been able to sneak through the hole.

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Perhaps I am missing something, but don't these look more like problems in execution or execution speed than design?

Not that the difference is easy to tell from tape, but you suggest as much as the end. I’m not sure what makes you argue design over failed execution/assignment confusion here.

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by Thomas Beekers on Nov 3, 2011 3:25 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm going to have to .gif the third play or put it up on youtube.

It’s hard to show how broken that play looked in pictures. But yeah, it’s definitely possible this is an execution thing. I would think it’s likely a combination. I know I’ve seen the comments that Marshawn Lynch just isn’t made for this blocking scheme popping up more and more, and it’s very possibly true.

by Nate Dogg on Nov 3, 2011 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

These Plays Show

To me, that the scheme was right, but the execution was so bad, it made a good Bengals run D look great.

Live work and breathe like an optimist.

by JRock419 on Nov 3, 2011 7:56 AM PDT reply actions  

Well, on the secon play McCoy is asked to block an end and a linebacker.

Whether Charlie didn’t or couldn’t audible there aside, that particular scheme was not right.

by Nate Dogg on Nov 3, 2011 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

It Looked Like

That Moffitt was supposed to slide off ala zone blocking, but just sorta hung out on the nose.

Live work and breathe like an optimist.

by JRock419 on Nov 3, 2011 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are you referring to the first play?

Moffit has no ability or intention to get across to the end or SAM after doubling down on the defensive tackle on the second play.

by Nate Dogg on Nov 3, 2011 4:39 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

True

I mixed up one and two. Strike that, and reverse it.

Live work and breathe like an optimist.

by JRock419 on Nov 4, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

I like that you noted Zach Miller made a really good block, goes along with what Brock Huard mentioned the other day.

Have you noticed how Anthony McCoy looks in general?

I did notice on one run play he got knocked about 3 yards back (by Peko, I think) into the backfield and blew up the play, a sweep or pitch. (Sorry, jus going off memory). For a guy that is supposed to be a very good blocking tight end that can also catch, he hasn’t seemed to do either particularly well yet.

Good article, thanks for putting it together.

by Danny Kelly on Nov 3, 2011 10:22 AM PDT reply actions  

Would have to go back to say definitively (I've been wanting to go back and over the Oline, I've seen some things that worry me more than they should)...

I think McCoy’s been fair, but Miller’s been really good. McCoy’s certainly been a bit of a disappointment.

Watching Morrah try to block was winceworthy.

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by Thomas Beekers on Nov 3, 2011 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

McCoy seems to suffer from a serious lack of concentration.

I know his big knock pre-draft (and the reason Seattle even had a shot at him in the 6th round) was the fact that he tested kush positive at the combine. That doesn’t sound like a super intelligent, focused, committed person. I mean, seriously? You can’t hold off on the doobie for a week, knowing you’re about to be whizz-quizzed?? If that’s indicative of a deeper rooted concentration problem, I can imagine him struggling with dropped passes and missed blocking assignments.

by Matt Erickson on Nov 3, 2011 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Terrible execution and no stud lineman

The execution has been terrible all over the line, and there isn’t a single reliable run blocking player on the line. The fact that Miller is blowing up more opponents than anyone on the line is very alarming.

Having said that I really wonder about Gallery, every game he has played the run game has beem terrible, the three games he missed the run game improved to the point where we almost had 100 vs the giants. McQuinstan is slow and has pretty bad technique but the line played better with him than Gallery.

by steverolley on Nov 3, 2011 11:54 AM PDT reply actions  

quick

someone kick him in the groin

Heresy grows from idleness.

by Corax --Nevermore-- on Nov 3, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

That jump was so fake, hahaha

something from a cartoon

Heresy grows from idleness.

by Corax --Nevermore-- on Nov 3, 2011 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmm, I don't know.

He timed it well if so.

"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."

by shams on Nov 3, 2011 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I will bite on this one

McQ Ugly is less talented for sure, but it did look like the line had a bit more continuity.

Live work and breathe like an optimist.

by JRock419 on Nov 3, 2011 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I dunno how similar Bevell's offense is to what he did in Minnesota,

but we know the differences aren’t going to be that great. He did a lot of “check-with-me’s” with both Jackson & Favre. A large amount of that is predicated almost solely on the number in the box and/or the position of one safety.

They’re trying to establish the run, as we know. For better or for worse. I bet Carroll’s philosophies, which drive the relationship between the run & the pass, offense & defense, and personnel, using Bevell’s offense, means in order to be able to exploit the number in the box or the position of the safety, you have to have personnel & formation to not only execute either a run or a pass, but expose to the defense that you’re willing to run or pass.

That’s how “run to set up the pass” or vice versa works, right? So you have to be willing to run on 2nd & 13 deep in your own territory when it may be your last offensive drive of the 1st half and you’re still looking for your first TD.

I say all that to point out, they have to be willing to run with one box defender unassigned. Use misdirection or go run to the other side to negate his impact on the play.

Head of catering.

by jacobstevens on Nov 3, 2011 3:13 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Within this prism:

Play 1 looks like inside zone. Doubling the 1-tech means one blocker ought to be able to peel off. Lynch takes the biggest gap, but the biggest gap is not the most open lane. The 1-tech beats Unger on that side. Unger cannot peel off to anything. Moffitt coulda, kinda maybe, had Lynch followed the edge sealed by McCoy meaning that Wil would be crossing over. Zone isn’t power and doubling the 1- doesn’t mean blasting him off the line. So I don’t think Unger defeated this play, but Lynch’s choice of lanes did. Given that Rice motioned in and Miller’s turn on his blocker, the narrower and slower-developing lane was likely more the design of the play. Or as designed as an inside zone run is; the RB is supposed to pick a lane, cut & go.

Play 3 also feels like Lynch did something wrong, went the wrong way. This is like the 5th time this season it feels like, that someone whimsically speculates whether Lynch ran a play wrong, whether as a ball carrier, blitz pickup or a release receiver. I went back to watch the play to more understand what you’re describing. I don’t see anything from the Bengals front 7 to see why the run would be called, why it ought to have been to the right or anything to suggest Lynch saw something to think left end was a better bet.

Play 2? Kinda seems like just execution killing a plain run attempt. I guess it mighta gained about 2 through the A gap? Hard for me to tell.

Head of catering.

by jacobstevens on Nov 3, 2011 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

These are great points

On Play 1, I couldn’t have said it better. “Lynch takes the biggest gap, but the biggest gap is not the most open lane.” If he does use the crease opened by McCoy, even if Moffit isn’t able to peel off Lynch would have meet the Will ~3 yards past the line of scrimmage instead of at the line of scrimmage. What made me question the scheme here is having the hand of to the left side of the line. Maybe that’s part of why the right side walls off so well, but it makes it more difficult for Lynch to take advantage of it. The more I think about it though, the more I think it wouldn’t take an incredible amount of speed or agility to take advantage of that cutback lane. Lynch apparently couldn’t.

On Play 2, if McCoy blocks Dunlap, Lynch might have a chance to hit that A gap hole.

Play 3 is hard for me to read. It’s possible that Miller crossing directly in front of Lynch as he gets the ball forces Lynch to stop and then try to counter back after losing his momentum. It’s also possible it’s a designed counter, in which case Miller crossing in front of Lynch isn’t really important. It does mean that this play is incredibly slow to develop by design, as Miller is effectively a lead blocking fullback lined up as a tight end on the opposite side of the formation.

Since Play 3 is rather complex I’ve uploaded it to youtube, in case anyone wants to see it for themselves.

by Nate Dogg on Nov 3, 2011 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Thanks for uploading

Watching a video is so much better. It really allows us to watch a play develop more than a couple pictures can.

Oh, and nice fanpost btw.

I don’t have much to add, but after watching that third run, I actually think it was close to being a pretty nice play. Carpenter does his job. Gallery does an adequate job on his pull block. Unger does a great job. The hole is there, and Lynch has 1 LB to beat for a massive gain. But it all goes to hell when Moffitt lets his block slip, and the Cincy defender makes an incredibly athletic play to fill the hole where a lot of other DL wouldn’t have made it back in time. Lynch sees the guy streaking in, and panics, hence the instantaneous leap back. Realizing the play is then dead on arrival, he dives for the LOS.

I don’t know about plays 1 and 2, but play 3 doesn’t look like a scheme problem to me. It looks like a John Moffitt problem.

by Kip Earlywine on Nov 4, 2011 1:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Damn, upon further review Carpenter failed as hard as Moffitt did.

Apologies.

Gallery pulling is to accomplish the job normally assigned to the right tackle: block the end out of the play. The purpose of this assignment is to free up Carpenter so that he and Moffitt can double team the DT and move him out quickly, which creates the intended running lane. What happens next is both Moffitt and Carpenter getting completely schooled by Domata Peko. That’s remarkable because out of that entire defense Peko is the least likely guy to make a play normally. It takes a special kind of suck to blow that.

So I slightly revise what I said before. Its a Carpenter/Moffitt problem. They are young and they have played pretty bad. On the bright side, so did Unger, Sims, and Spencer in their early days, and they are much improved today.

by Kip Earlywine on Nov 4, 2011 1:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

One final thing

Having played lineman myself, here’s a quick way of diagnosing who messed up on a play without even looking a second time. It works almost every time. If you ever are casually watching a play blow up, as the play ends, look for the lineman that are standing around and particularly look at those standing over a tackled player. Guy standing around either means he missed his assignment or fell down. A guy standing over the tackled ball carrier was usually schooled on his block.

On that 3rd play, let the video clip end (the video freeze frames at the end) and look at where Moffitt and Carpenter are standing and what they are doing. I could have saved myself a good 3 minutes of tape review if I had just checked that first, heh.

by Kip Earlywine on Nov 4, 2011 1:32 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

I actually think CArpenter was chipping to get to the LB #53

Moffit failed so bad that the chip turned into a failed block. There is no way slow as molasass carpenter is over running this block unless its a chip- scrape to LB

by Oliudyen on Nov 4, 2011 2:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was expecting that too

Having played tackle, I actually have a tiny bit of X’s and O’s knowledge for that area, and most double teams that involve an offensive tackle are only brief and the tackle will usually go for a LB after only doubling for a split second.

However, It did not appear to me that Carpenter was going for a LB on that play. He seemed more or less fully committed to the double team. It could be that just as Carpenter was about to leave for a LB, Moffitt fell down and Peko slipped through, giving Carpenter second thoughts. If it was indeed the case that Carpenter was supposed to transfer his block to a LB, then indeed, almost all the blame on that play would fall on Moffitt.

by Kip Earlywine on Nov 4, 2011 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

What do you make of Carpenter down blocking on a tackle or getting assigned a linebacker so frequently?

I’ve heard quite a bit about how easy they’re making Carpenter’s job for him. It’s something Brock mentions it in the chalk talk that Danny posted here. It’s making me even more concerned about his poor play so far.

by Nate Dogg on Nov 4, 2011 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also, if I may ask.

How did you get the raw video of the game on your PC?

by Kip Earlywine on Nov 4, 2011 1:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

You just proved how smart you are

Because you linked to NewEgg.com. I love that site.

Thanks. I’ve been wondering how it was done for years.

by Kip Earlywine on Nov 4, 2011 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I've had some trouble with it.

It recognizes only a fraction of my channels. It’s doesn’t matter at all for NFL games, but one of the ones it can’t find is Root so I miss out on Husky games. I haven’t taken a ton of time to try to fix it though, and even with that it’s been easily worth the $50.

by Nate Dogg on Nov 4, 2011 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Honestly same problem all three runs.

The zonbe blocking scheme is set up for a one cut back, this should be a quick decisive cut, think almost like a counter, only as the back you are suppose to make the cut at the line of scrimage.

Play 1, Lynch is suppose to make a sharp cut at the line of scrimmage, you can see where a hard cut back will gain 5+, if he breaks a tackle he could go all the way, but Lynch is a dancer, and instead of cutting decisively he pitter patters. Conflict of running style vs blocking style. Also Morrah? does not push his block out enough, but even then with the angles its a4-5 yard gain.

Play 2 mcCoy blows the block. Not sure if its because he just whiffed or its mental mistake, he looks like he is kicking down for a trap play, but its a counter, he is suppose to kick his man out into the otehr man, and Lynch is suppose to quick cut back and find a hole. McCoy botches, Lynch Dances, run game fails. If McCoy blocks half way decent, and lynch hard cuts behind Obo, who has an excellent block, he goes 15+

Play 3 is a zone blocking scheme again(you can really tell by how okung chips and is looking down field), set it up with a run right hard cut back left. Many people screw up. 1. Moffit epic fails the cut block on peko (too early and doesnt touch the guy, just kinda flops on the ground.) 2.Carpenter is slow out of the chip, He is suppose to block 53, but because of moffits whiff, he kicks down(good read) blocks the wrong side of the defender(his helmet should be on the other side of the guy driving him back as he fights to contain his gap, instead its kinda Ole’ style) this or he is doing some new blocking technique where he lets the defender completely by him and then traps him on the other side when the cut occurs. eitehr way terribly executed after the read 3. Gallery gets stood up, but atleast doesnt lose the block or get pushed back.(he had the pulling guard momentum too!) 4. Unger loses the the turn on his man, this is unacceptable because his guy is already lined up with gap control to Unger’s left. He gets his helmet in the right spot but doesnt finish the block, instead of his man being moved towards the weak side DE, he is straight up. Miller is responsible for the DE on that end, the DE clearly reads it and doesnt set an edge. Miller lays wood on the DE. Again even with the bad blocks, if lynch hard cuts and drives between Okung/Unger he has one on one with 27, hard running it nets him atleast 3 falling forward, instead he….you guessed it, dances and gets tackled for a loss.

The thing that irritates me is that with Lynch’s power, he could easily turn a lot of losses into more(way better than Julius Jones) if he just cuts and goes. This is why Washington is able to break longer runs, he hard cuts and goes. He unfortunately doesnt have Lynch’s power so gets arm tackled a bit. The thing about Zone blocking is that its a perfect counter to straigh up blocking and done with a one cut back, can lead to long plays.

WE call Lynch too much for Zone plays, where he needs a more man to man style blocking scheme, Lynch we run too much on a man to man, when he is clearly a zone blocking type runner. Its basic misuse of our running personel. The O-line is Young and for the most part will get better (though they need a lot of practice on cut blocking, its not easy to do, and is critcal for the scheme.)

by Oliudyen on Nov 4, 2011 1:52 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

You lost me on Play 2.

McCoy is on the right side, Obo on the left. I’m not sure how his block determines whether Lynch can get to Obo’s side or not.

I’m curious what you see with Unger in Play 3. I don’t see Unger losing the turn on his man. It looks like he’s about to, but then he wins back and by the end of the play has pushed his man 2 yards downfield. Good call on the running lane between Unger and Okung, but I don’t think there was much there either. Okung loses his guy pretty quickly and theres a lot of trash (Moffit, mostly) in the lane.

by Nate Dogg on Nov 4, 2011 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

On play 2/3

McCoy is suppose to kick his man towards the sidlines, instead he blocks him inside to the hases, like a trap play.
Lynch is suppose to run at McCoy then Hard cut left . The gap is between Gallery and Unger. Second level block is by Obo, as you see he gets the turn on his guy hard, leaving Lynch a huge hole to run through for LOTS of yards. But because McCoy doesnt make the right block, Lynch doesnt get a cut back because now he is book ended. The counter is basically where you run at a DE for about 1 second, maybe less, then hard cut away. Taking him out of the play when he sets the edge.
Honestly 9 players get 5 starts on this play, McCoy gets – 5 starts, and Lynch gets maybe 2 starts(1 for knowing the play and one for seeing he didnt have a cut back lane)

Play 3, Unger has his man straight up, but is suppose to turn him so that his body is between the play side and the defender( keeping his man from making an arm tackle) This is a 4 star block, he knows the play, he makes hard impact, and stalemates his man, and keeps helmet on the right side, but doesnt get the turn and push . Its not a terrible block, but its not the right block either.(he could honestly have been out talented, Cincy had a monster D-line) his goal on this block isnt to push his man down field(that is where the running lane is suppose to open up) Once a man starts losing gap responsability he will give a few yards backwards to maintain the gap, this is part of why Unger pushes his man back.

Yes moffit really blew this play up, he is laying in teh cut back lane after a blown block that leaves both of his tackles lunging to recover for him. On the other hand i have seen Steve Slaton, Arian Foster, Terrell Davis, Clinton Portis, and the whole platoon of redskins running backs make this play.

by Oliudyen on Nov 4, 2011 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah, alright. I see what you're saying.

Lawson, the SAM, has a play there but yeah, there’s definitely a lane there.

It’s interesting that you bring up Peterson. Rewatching these plays and knowing Bevell is used to calling them for AP it’s made me wonder what he would have done with some of the cutback lanes or opportunities to bounce outside. It’s probably not fair to compare Lynch to him but it’s kind of hard not to.

by Nate Dogg on Nov 4, 2011 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

AP for MVP imo

Peterson has exceptional vision, he is quick with making decisions and quick with execution, that with his natural balance for cutting and superb acceleration, coupled with strong churning legs. He is pretty much every thing anyone would want in any system. Don’t see a lot of flaws in him, except maybe he doesn’t get the ball enough, but maybe they are trying to save him

by Oliudyen on Nov 4, 2011 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Now what I am wondering is, how common is it for a back to pick lanes poorly

on zone runs? So how big a deal is it? Is the expectation that a good zone runner should have known better? Or is it one of those things that is going to show up a handful of times out of two dozen carries or more and it just kind of comes with the territory?

I’ve found about myself, it’s a lot easier to notice good execution on offense than mistakes. I mean we all follow the ball and the QB’s actions and mistakes are plain for everyone. More or less it’s easy to gauge how much time the line gives in pass pro. When a wideout is thrown to, it’s easy to see how he performs. Beyond that, it’s easier to pick up on good plays by the linemen, backs or wideouts, particularly on a replay, than it is to notice mistakes, except for the blatant mistakes, the ones that directly contribute to the result of the play.

On the other hand, on defense it’s easier to track the basic responsibilities of the front seven, and if we get the proper angles, the same goes for the pass coverage as well. We can’t separate their execution from the coaches’ playcalling, so we don’t know when they made an assignment or positioning mistake, or they did their job but the play call was ill-suited to what the offense ran, or the offense simply saw something and took advantage of it. But overall, it’s easier to identify who didn’t do their job on defense, when a play is successful for offense. Big, noticeable stops are noticeable, of course. Anchoring in to push a running play out wide, or stopped in its tracks, or getting good penetration to affect a passing play, noticeable. Overall a bit easier to judge defensive front 7 performance, and QB performance, than the rest of the team. Anyway, just an observation.

Head of catering.

by jacobstevens on Nov 4, 2011 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd say its pretty common

What people refer to as “vision” is actually a statement about how good a running back is at choosing the best running lanes as quickly as possible and as often as possible. But even guys with epic good vision like Shaun Alexander made poor choices all the time. When he made a good choice though, you’d remember it because it would often be a good play. And he made more good choices than most.

By contrast, I agree with what others have said, in that Lynch appears to struggle diagnosing the best running lane to use. Not only in the quality of the choice, but in the speed of making it. Washington is equally suspect at making choices, but at least makes those choices very fast. Forsett makes mostly good choices and makes them quickly, and prior to this year that had served him well. I’m not sure what’s wrong with him this year. Yet another “peak early” Ruskell pick?

by Kip Earlywine on Nov 4, 2011 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Forsett is getting three attempts per game.

His season high for a game is 8. If there’s something wrong with him we haven’t had the chance to see it.

by Nate Dogg on Nov 4, 2011 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Appreciate your shrewdness drawing attention to this

it’s about time we had some Nate Dogg FanPosts around here!

Head of catering.

by jacobstevens on Nov 3, 2011 3:32 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

Here's what I see.

1. Lynch needs to bounce it outside left.
2. McCoy blows it, but he had no chance to block both guys, lynch should try to bounce it
3. When Lynch takes the hand off, he’s looking left, at a gap between okung and unger, but miller cuts in front of him…
It looks like It’s misdirection and they are trying to get the LB’s to bite left, before lynch follows miller right, and this would have been a good play, had Moffit/Carp not blown the double team.

by grinch11 on Nov 4, 2011 3:20 AM PDT reply actions  

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