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Seahawks Drop the Ball in Fourth Quarter, Lose to Redskins 23-17

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This had all the hallmarks of a really ugly game right from the first quarter. Grossman had one incompletion in his first two drives, Fred Davis in particular ate us up, and the Redskins running game looked good. A bit of a surprise, especially to those that believe this defense is elite (it's not), but not that shocking considering the weaknesses and strengths of this defense. We'll take a closer look at this during the coming week, obviously, but right now my first gut reaction is that Mike and Kyle Shanahan simply outschemed and outplaycalled the Seahawks, and this would show up again later in the game, exploiting specific weaknesses in lack of pass rush and difficulty against tight ends that have shown up all season.

Another big factor was missing Alan Branch. I'm not a big fan of Branch, but missing him made us much softer on inside runs. Seahawks tried to compensate by playing the linebackers closer to the line, but that meant our outside contain was weak and the linebackers sold out too hard on the run, and that lead to some really big runs and easy playfake completions, fairly uncharacteristic of this defense. Not so much about the importance of Branch as it was about a problem adjusting to this loss, at least until the third quarter.

This was an oddly chippy game, too. Even at the coin toss, the Redskins and Seahawks players were constantly jawwing at one another, the kind of passion you'd expect from a divisional game. And this was a pretty key game for two teams that have pretty much fallen out of relevance this season. Still, it was curious to see, particularly Redskins players getting in the grill of our smaller players (Leon Washington, Golden Tate, etc). The heated atmosphere contributed to a sloppy game between two pretty bad football teams, especially in the first quarter.

So, the defense had a lot of trouble with the Skins offense, but what about our offense? It, too, had its problems. Tarvaris Jackson looked troubled by his pec injury, particularly when rolling out, and got little help from his top receivers: Sidney Rice went out with what's likely a concussion (worrisome after a mild concussion earlier in this season), Mike Williams looked absolutely awful with multiple drops, and Zach Miller looked good blocking but had only one catch for 2 yards. Our depth stepped up, particularly the awesome Doug Baldwin and Golden Tate on a beautifully threaded TD throw, but Tarvaris ended up with all of 144 yards passing. While he didn't get much help, he did struggle himself, particularly in recognizing the blitz and getting into a proper flow of timing with his receivers. A really bad game after a number of good ones the past few weeks, but that's what Tarvaris' career has been like.

Star-divide

Fans of Greg Cosell will remember how he mused earlier in the season why Marshawn Lynch wasn't used more as a foundational back for the Seahawks. The easiest answer was "because the offensive line isn't very good yet", and that seems to be correct. With better blocking by our offensive line, Lynch has been easily the best offensive player on our teams for the past few weeks, and this game hung up 131 yards on 25 touches, about half of our total offensive production. And that's a big tip of the cap to our offensive line, who again played well for most of this game, especially Russell Okung (until he got hobbled late in the game, and looked significantly worse). Our offensive performance was based on this part of our game, and it did work until the fourth quarter.

The story of the game is mostly about mistakes. The Redskins produced 416 total yards versus 250 from the Seahawks, yet the score never became particularly lopsided. After their first drive resulting in a touchdown, the Seahawks ran up 17 unanswered points, and this was all about Redskins mistakes. After an excellent start, Rex Grossman went into the "chuck it deep" mode that has defined his career, and threw a pair of awful, awful TDs into tight coverage, one to Brandon Browner (leading to a screen to Lynch for a TD on the next play), one to Richard Sherman. Red Bryant blocked a field goal and a PAT that can at least be partially attributed to awful play by the line protecting the kicker. And last but not least, the Seahawks got a huge chunk of yardage (44) on a completely bogus defensive pass interference call on Josh Wilson covering Mike Williams. I don't think the Seahawks ever put themselves in place to win, as much as the Redskins (and bad calls) helped put us in place for the win.

Then came the second half, and the tale of two quarters. The Seahawks came out roaring in the 3rd, with Pete Carroll and our coaches again providing an excellent halftime adjustment. Our defense looked much sharper, especially against the run, and our offense absolutely enforced its will on the Redskins D up front, leading to nice time of possession and rushing stats. Closing the third and opening the fourth was a 88-yard drive lasting over 5 minutes that included 7 rushes and 5 passes, ending in a Golden Tate touchdown. At that point it was 17-7 for the Seahawks, and the game looked pretty well in hand.

But the Shanahans adjusted their offense, to halt our defense regularly getting to Grossman and causing errant throws in the 3rd. Quicker passes and good running led to a Roy Helu touchdown run (awful tackle by Cam Chancellor) with a blocked PAT (again, Red Bryant, pretty awesome), a 50-yard touchdown to Anthony Armstrong where Brandon Browner was completely beat, and a field goal within the two-minute warning to wrap it up. This was a bizarre turn of fortunes and one I find hard to explain indepth without a lot of footage analysis.

Neither team played a particularly good game, with a lack of production from the Seahawks offense and a qualitative collapse of the Seahawks defense, while the Redskins played sloppy, often undisciplined football. This one comes down to both our gameplanning/coaching and the players, so there's not really anyone to single out for the loss. But this is what happens with young teams, one week they look really good, the next they look really bad. The Seahawks aren't a good team right now, and this was a reminder.

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The offense missed Rice

None of the other WRs made up for it, especially with TJ playing a sub-sub-par game.

by Nshima on Nov 27, 2011 4:57 PM PST reply actions  

Rough game. Really exposed the weaknesses this team has.

That eight man rush the Redskins threw against Jackson in the fourth was really hard to watch.

On a side note, did anyone catch Mora’s comments about Rex’s tiny hands?

The beatings will continue until morale improves!

by HopScotch on Nov 27, 2011 5:24 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

They're smaller than his

and he doesn’t have big hands
but Rex’s hands are smaller than his hands, but if his hands are as small or smaller than Rex’s hands, then Mora’s hands lead to more amazing smallhandedness, which means that his hands are smaller, but upon measurement Rex’s hands are smaller, and so where does that leave us, if Mora has bad eyesight?

Heresy grows from idleness.

by Corax --Nevermore-- on Nov 27, 2011 5:36 PM PST up reply actions   3 recs

What just happened here?

I’m not sure, but I wish to subscribe to your newsletter

by Optic on Nov 28, 2011 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

The whole time, Ron Pitts was biting his lip like Beavis & Butthead in class that one day.

And when they cut to commercial, he threw off his headset and bust out of the booth into the hallway screaming “DICK JOKE! DIIIIIIICK JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKE!!!

Head of catering.

by jacobstevens on Nov 29, 2011 8:17 AM PST up reply actions  

All in all, disappointed with the showing.

You can bet your ass I’ll still be at the Clink, celebrating my birthday on the 24th against the 49ers. Let’s go!

by Neonjerseysplease on Nov 27, 2011 5:46 PM PST reply actions  

This team actually plays worse at home

I don’t know if this is improvement or what, but the games against the Giants, Rams, even the 49ers game…a little of Dallas, were better contested than our home games.

Also I think the 12th Man thing is dead. This crowd is loud but teams have gameplanned to combat the crowd noise.

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by SSreporters on Nov 27, 2011 5:56 PM PST reply actions  

It's lot it's mystique

They’re still loud but the days of 3-9 false starts in a game are long gone.

We are playing better on the road and I like it.

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by SSreporters on Nov 27, 2011 6:09 PM PST up reply actions  

What's a pass rush?

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by SSreporters on Nov 27, 2011 6:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh okay

Yeah I think we should just repeatedly send 3 and drop 8 into some bullshit zone D where Fred Davis can be 15 yards open.

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by SSreporters on Nov 27, 2011 6:15 PM PST up reply actions  

After these last few losing seasons it might be expected that the fans aren't as loud all the time

However, I have season tickets and the noise in the stadium has been really loud consistently. Not to the level of the 2005-2007 seasons, but still really loud. I too am disappointed by the lack of opponent false starts, but I don’t think the fans are to blame at all. I was at the game today and I also watched some of the TV recording when I got home and I don’t think the broadcast gave any justice to how loud it was in there today. Once the team shows they can compete at an elite level, I think that the fans will be as loud as ever. The 12th man has shown what they can do when there is something on the line….we caused an earthquake dammit!!!

by KoolAidMan1 on Nov 27, 2011 8:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Rec'd

Do or do not, there is no try-Yoda

by ironheart777 on Nov 28, 2011 12:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep - another crap-tastic loss

After all the praise heaped on Williams last year, he’s averaging 1.5 catches per game – 3 more drops today.
Sidney Rice goes out hurt - again.
Jackson does a 180 deg. and turns in one of his worst performances as a Seahawk
STUPID penalties by children who can’t control themselves — No discipline what so ever. But today, they pulled yet another first … they blew a 10-point fourth-quarter lead

by Moose Knuckles on Nov 27, 2011 6:10 PM PST reply actions  

Richard Sherman is going to be a Pro Bowl CB

True or false?

I can’t get into Browner but I’m really high on Sherman.

We’ve got two Stanford successes…if only we could manage a third without having to trade up.

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by SSreporters on Nov 27, 2011 6:10 PM PST reply actions  

I'd say the defense is close to being elite.

Both of those 4th quarter touchdowns the Redskins got were avoidable too which is the most painful part about this loss. Lack of good pass rush is killing us right now. I don’t think I have seen Browner get beat that badly this season. Looks even worse with the penalties that he got this week as well.

I’m more concerned about the breakdown in the run defense. If losing Branch is that detrimental to the run defense; we’re going to have problems. The defense is good when they take the run away but very vulnerable when they don’t. If opponents start running more successfully, the defense will not be as effective. We need to make sure we find a good pass rusher who is capable of defending the run too.

Even with all of these mistakes, I’m still looking forward to the continued development of the Seahawk defense. I see plenty of reason to be excited for that unit next year. The offense is in the same boat as the defense. There are lots of good players on offense and a good QB will make that unit relevant.

PC and JS have to draft a QB. This is the most obvious statement ever but if it doesn’t happen there needs to be hell to pay. The team needs a consistent signal caller because Tarvaris Jackson is not consistent enough. We just need a QB that can consistently use targets like BMW and Rice.

by Doomcarver on Nov 27, 2011 6:20 PM PST reply actions  

I think I'm tired of the run defense collapsing whenever one player goes down

Two years ago it was Mebane, last year it was Bryant, and this year it’s Branch for one game.

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by SSreporters on Nov 27, 2011 6:21 PM PST up reply actions   3 recs

This

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- Chuck Knox

by Azimeir on Nov 27, 2011 6:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah it is really frustrating.

I was hoping we could keep our run defense consistent throughout the year. But there are holes that can be easily exploited. If the Seahawk front four are avoided then the run defense falls apart. The linebackers were not on their game today and it cost us the victory.

by Doomcarver on Nov 27, 2011 6:38 PM PST up reply actions  

KJ Wright is a rookie

But he’s making me miss Aaron Curry, who I think led the Raiders in tackles today and tipped a ball for an INT.

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by SSreporters on Nov 27, 2011 6:20 PM PST reply actions  

Think about the past 3 years

and get back to me on that

Heresy grows from idleness.

by Corax --Nevermore-- on Nov 27, 2011 6:32 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Wright's been bad. That's fact. He's a rookie. Also fact.

Curry isn’t very good but we are very very thin at LB with Herring gone and McCoy + Curry gone. Wasn’t David Vobora in the game?

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by SSreporters on Nov 27, 2011 6:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Vabora

was in when Heater went out for a couple plays I believe.

I dont mind Wright i dont think he is as bad as Curry but then again thats not saying much, Curry was bad.

by Bruiser89171 on Nov 27, 2011 6:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Positive 'Hawks-outs:

Baldwin: “You know what sucks about being a Baldwin? NOTHING, STUPID!”
Red: What a fucking monster. I love this cat.
Lynch: More, please. Lynch may not be what they call a breakaway back, but I can’t really recall him ever getting hit for a loss – worst case after two Lynch runs the ‘Hawks were in 3rd and 7 and that didn’t happen very often. He also just punishes little shoulder-tacklers into submission. The Redskins DB’s forgot the safe-word.
O-line: No sacks until the fourth, and I’m not sure I’d put those late failures at their door.

Most of my cliches aren't original.

- Chuck Knox

by Azimeir on Nov 27, 2011 6:26 PM PST reply actions  

I don't get why they block so well for Lynch

And then just sleep when anyone else carries it.

Leon needs some toss plays or something. His offensive involvement is boring and non-existent.

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by SSreporters on Nov 27, 2011 6:28 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I agree somewhat...

I wish Leon would be involved much more in the offensive gameplan. I’m not sure if you are being totally serious about this, but I don’t think the line blocks any better for Lynch like you suggest. Since he carries it so much he is able to find the holes in the D every now and then, but he also has his carries that result in minimal yardage. If Leon was given more carries I’m sure he would get a few big plays, but he just isn’t used enough for us to see that I guess.

by KoolAidMan1 on Nov 27, 2011 8:50 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Seattle has lost 4 games by 10 or less

And the Niners and Bengals games were one-possession games in the 4th quarter.

Improvement! They’ve only been blown out from start to finish once!

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by SSreporters on Nov 27, 2011 6:31 PM PST reply actions   3 recs

Seriously, every loss last year was by at least 11

They’re competitive now even though they suck.

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by SSreporters on Nov 27, 2011 6:34 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Can someone GIF Baldwin running over Landry?

Dougie is awesome and the new Bobby Engram.

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by SSreporters on Nov 27, 2011 6:46 PM PST reply actions  

BC Lions up 31-23 in the Grey Cup

NW SPORTS!!

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by SSreporters on Nov 27, 2011 6:56 PM PST reply actions  

That's S.W. Canada homie,

They aren’t in the Northwest.

by BlueThruAndThru on Nov 27, 2011 7:05 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Don't tell that to my Canadian friends

and family. I live 2 miles from the Canadian border. Half my fellow employees, over a third of our church members, and over 30 percent of my close friends are from right across the border in the lower mainland of B.C., and NONE of them consider themselves of being in the “Northwest”.

The Northwest, for them, are the Yukon and Northwest Territories, a hell of a long way from SW B.C.

by BlueThruAndThru on Nov 27, 2011 8:32 PM PST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

I totally agree TB...

“my first gut reaction is that Mike and Kyle Shanahan simply outschemed and outplaycalled the Seahawks,” Even many of us feel the playcalling is more predictable than it should be…. If TJ is hurting, why aren’t we activating Portis… giving him some opportunities to prove one way or another his impact on where we draft a QB next year….
We’ll clearly draft one, but does it need to be with our first pick????

by IBGoofy on Nov 27, 2011 7:10 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Can anyone tell me why Shannahan's challenge flag in the 4th qtr wasn't a delay of game?

I was at the game, and couldn’t hear the ref too well, but I thought he said that the intentional grounding was not reviewable. This was after the officials talked to Shanahan for over two minutes. Didn’t Harbaugh get busted for doing that?

by Groundhog on Nov 27, 2011 7:49 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah, he didn't throw the challenge flag.

Just asked about challenging the call verbally.

by jhmg16 on Nov 27, 2011 8:08 PM PST up reply actions  

But I saw the flag on the field.

He definitely threw the flag in order to get the officials’ attention, just so he could discuss the call with them, which kept the Seahawks from running a play – the Skins D did not look ready.

by Groundhog on Nov 27, 2011 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

It's the Mike Shanahan effect, thing.

Senior coaches get away with that kind of stuff. The guys in the booth said he never threw a flag.

by jhmg16 on Nov 27, 2011 10:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah he definitely threw the flag

I was in the Hawks Nest and saw it come out, and immediately I was waiting for either unsportsmanlike or delay of game. Nope. And the “late hit” by Kam on the punt in the 4th quarter — no idea where they pulled that one from. I didn’t see the tackle, but I did see exactly when the flag was thrown, and it was when the ball was in the air, so I assumed illegal man downfield. Figures they’d come up with a way to pin it on the Hawks though.

by Matt Erickson on Nov 27, 2011 11:23 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Wild.

Veteran coaches, man.

by jhmg16 on Nov 27, 2011 11:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Just saw the highlights

First thing I noticed, BLUE ENDZONES ARE BACK BABY!

Dustin Ackley, Earl Thomas, Gary Payton

by DoctaTuck on Nov 27, 2011 7:50 PM PST reply actions  

Sure looked to me like the Defense decided to pack it in after they were up 2 scores.

What the hell happened to Mike Williams? Such a non-factor this season. It’s not early anymore.

by grips on Nov 27, 2011 8:03 PM PST reply actions  

Big Mike really has disappointed me

I thought he would be a great #2 after what we saw last year. But overall I think our passing game has suffered as a whole. Between BMW, Miller, and Rice we really haven’t seen what this group really is capable of. I don’t want to pin this on Tavaris, because I think he has done as good or better than expected, but there must be some explanation as to why our top receiving threats haven’t been nearly as productive as we had hoped coming into the year.

by KoolAidMan1 on Nov 27, 2011 8:53 PM PST up reply actions  

*Tarvaris

I knew I would spell that wrong

by KoolAidMan1 on Nov 27, 2011 8:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Miller has been forced to block

and Rice has been playin well in my opinion. Yes I was hoping for more, but when we break the bank for Matt Barkely he’s going to be getting alot more opportunities to get some good catches.

Do or do not, there is no try-Yoda

by ironheart777 on Nov 28, 2011 12:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Something that perplexed me...

On both of the sell-out blitzes that the Redskins showed in the 4th (well, I think they showed it 3 times, but once they faked and almost big completion to Baldwin), it LOOKED like TJack recognized the blitz, but he took sacks. WTF no hot route??? Especially the second one – there’s no excuse to not pull the trigger there. Seems like he should have checked to a 3-step drop.

On the first one, I’m guessing he audibled to a max-protect, which wasn’t maxi enough. But even Mora was able to point out that the last one (when they sent 8), there weren’t enough bodies even with max protect to cover, so HE HAD to get it out quick, or check to a designed run or something.

by PerryCollective on Nov 27, 2011 9:52 PM PST reply actions  

I think they did the 2nd time

But the first and 3rd, they sent most of ‘em. It was funny, because Mora called it out, and wondered if it was them faking. Then you could see Jackson, stop and point some fingers, making some kind of call. It looked like Zach M. shifted after TJack’s call. So I figured – good or bad, at least he can tell it’s coming. The line slowed ‘em down a little…but not enough. I was shocked TJack didn’t seem to have a hot read.

So I assume that instead of calling for at least one route to break off, he called max protect – which seemed odd, because the Hawks had 7 available blockers, and the Skins sent 8. So max still wasn’t enough.

The 2nd time (i think), they showed blitz but backed off. Then the last time, they blitzed most of them again – and again, it looked like TJack called something, and so I was shocked he didn’t have a quicker option.

Other than that, I’d agree with Beekers – he didn’t look great, but his receivers did him no favors today.

by PerryCollective on Nov 27, 2011 11:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Bill Simmons, aka "Sports Guy"

Talked about Pats-Broncos 1986 Divisional Playoff Game where Roulon Jones came in unblocked to sack Tony Eason for a safety that iced the game for Denver as the moment when he knew Eason would never win them a Super Bowl.

Honestly, I’ve gone back and forth in my mind with Tarvaris. I once wrote a two-word review of why the Vikings wouldn’t win the Super Bowl as “Tarvaris Jackson”, but when he came here, I was both wanting to talk myself into him and aware that I was trying to talk myself into him.

I would place Jackson in a similar class as Rex Grossman, jon Kitna, and probably Tony Eason among others, as a QB who can play in the NFL well enough to warrant a paycheck – but as a backup or emergency starter.

I like plucky, high-effort ‘Bill Bates’ types, but yesterday – which was by no means TJ’s worst game as a pro or even as a ’Hawk (some guys catch some passes that were there and this is a win) – the final nail went in the coffin, like for Simmons and Eason as he collapsed into the fetal position in the face of a defender in a critical situation.

Tarvaris is not the guy, will never be the guy. Not for Seahawks nor anyone else. He’s the best we have right now, and that buys us the weekly frustration of mediocrity.

Most of my cliches aren't original.

- Chuck Knox

by Azimeir on Nov 28, 2011 8:50 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

The most frustrating thing about this loss

is how similar it is to the Cowboy loss. Poor tackling by the Seahawks led to good production in the Dallas run game just like today. This makes the defense more susceptible to play action which helps Grossman and Romo torch us. The defense can bounce back from something like this though. They rebounded nicely from the Cowboy loss and I suspect they will do the same thing here. I hope they do anyway because they can’t bring this tackling problem to the Eagles game. Lesean McCoy will make them pay if they miss him.

by Doomcarver on Nov 27, 2011 11:27 PM PST reply actions  

They are sooo much better than last year

Plays like that happen for both sides. Is Baldwin really that much better than Landry? No, but on that play at that time, it worked out for us.

In general, we’re so much more physical, capable, competitive.

by PerryCollective on Nov 27, 2011 11:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Really missed Thurmond today...

Seems like he covers those short crossing routes well.

by PerryCollective on Nov 27, 2011 11:47 PM PST reply actions  

Is he not on IR?

Do or do not, there is no try-Yoda

by ironheart777 on Nov 28, 2011 12:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Next year.

Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair or fucking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. - Al Swearengen

by Lo Pann on Nov 28, 2011 7:41 AM PST up reply actions  

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