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Seahawks Out-Redskin Redskins, Lie Down and Die 23-17

Not much to say about this.  Bad, sloppy football all around.  Neither team wanted to win this game.

 

Red Bryant, you're still cool.

 

Go nuts in the thread.  I'm off to cleanse the palette with a bottle.  Of paint thinner.

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What the hell

did I just witness? We obviously didn’t care to win this game. Our defense played horrible. Even Kam Chancellor played terrible, ugly football. That was the worst loss in awhile.

Do or do not, there is no try-Yoda

by ironheart777 on Nov 27, 2011 4:32 PM PST reply actions  

I really hate people saying that the team "obviously didn't care to win this game."

They wanted to win. They just aren’t very talented, so winning isn’t going to happen as often as you’d all like.

by BrianL on Nov 27, 2011 4:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Worst loss in a while?

I’m sorry, Browns 6-3, Steelers 24-0. I understand your frustration, but please keep it to rational conclusions.

by Stay Off the Flowers on Nov 27, 2011 4:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, ironheart might've been really high on the defense this past week

and then this happened, so maybe this is the worst loss in a while for him (or her, whatever)

Heresy grows from idleness.

by Corax --Nevermore-- on Nov 27, 2011 4:44 PM PST up reply actions  

The reason it frustrates me so much

is because this was a loss to a horrible, HORRIBLE team at home. I didn’t care about the Steelers game so much because A. It was an away 10 o’clock game and B it was against the reigning AFC champions. The Browns game can be attributed to a crappy back up QB and a blown phantom block in the back call, plus it was an away game. Today, we killed ourselves. We weren’t bested, out performed, or outmatched, we shot ourselves at almost every opportunity with penalties, poor playcalling, and bad QB play. We established a run game, we got some receivers open and we played a good game on special teams, but unfortunately we had to passing game making us a 1 dimensional team, our receivers (cough) Mike Williams (cough) dropped balls, and we found out ways to completely ruin whatever advantage our special teams gave us. Too me, we haven’t had such a terrible loss since last season.

Do or do not, there is no try-Yoda

by ironheart777 on Nov 27, 2011 5:48 PM PST up reply actions  

We scored 3 points! Against the Browns! A 6-6 or 9-6 W result wouldn't have been much better.

This wasn’t a good game by any stretch. But goddamn worst loss since last season? You look at any statistical measure and this wasn’t as bad as any loss this season. Sure you can make excuses for the other losses, but how about for this one? If the two penalties on 3rd down weren’t called, if they called at the end when Baldwin got held, if they stop fucking with the QB hit penalties, we would have been in a better position. We ran well, we defended alright for 45 minutes, we had damn good special teams.

Just a little perspective is all I ask. THE SKY HAS NOT FALLEN

by Stay Off the Flowers on Nov 27, 2011 6:19 PM PST up reply actions  

But those penalties never directly impacted the score of the game

the phantom block in the back did. Sure the officiating was terrible, but it never directly changed the score of the game. The illegal QB hit is in the rulebook, it’s a horrible ghastly rule, but it is in the rulebook, same as those terrible helmet to helmet calls Chancellor repeatably gets. Yes the Baldwin no call was terrible, but we have to remember our QB is Tarvaris Jackson. The ball would have been place at half fieldish, not the one yard line. I mean i guess when you look at what loss was worst throughout a season its always going to be subjective, but in my opinion his was easily the worst. We had a legit, though however slim, chance of making the playoffs up until a few hours ago. Now the only thing we have to look forward to is April.

Do or do not, there is no try-Yoda

by ironheart777 on Nov 27, 2011 6:31 PM PST up reply actions  

No, they didn't happen on scoring plays.

I guess the two interceptions by Browner and Sherman didn’t directly impact the score of the game as well by your logic. In fact, the only plays that mattered were the scoring plays, or the 4 blocked points by Red Bryant.

My point is, many important plays happen that aren’t right on the goalline. And yes, you have a reason to take this loss harder than any other loss (I was fuckign around with the ESPN Playoff Machine before this), but calling out the effort of the team (I think it was you) or thinking that every single aspect of this team was terrible today is what I take issue with, as what I like to think of myself as “a thinking man’s fan”.

by Stay Off the Flowers on Nov 27, 2011 6:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think every part of our team was terrible

as i said earlier ST, the run game, and Red Bryant were exceptional. My above point about penalties was simply that its impossible to know what would of happened had the penalties had/ hadn’t been called. We know if the block in the back hadn’t been called we would have been up 10-6, now maybe we still lose that game as it can be argued that the Browns were simply playing the clock out, however it is the Browns, not exactly the scariest 4th quarter team in the NFL. And yes I’m going to call out the effort of the team when when we lose like this. I do not believe we left everything on the field so to speak. I had no issue with the team when we played Atlanta because we honestly tried our hardest, I’m totally okay with losing like that. I’d take a 0-16 record if every week we played our asses off over a 9-7 year where 4 games we put no effort out onto the field. They played harder, they wanted it more. However at the same time I was incredibly, incredibly impressed with Tarvaris’s effort today. We was hurting all day and he played his ass off, I know if I were in that situation I would be whimpering on the sideline with a bottle of Ibuprofen in hand.

Do or do not, there is no try-Yoda

by ironheart777 on Nov 27, 2011 7:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Calling a team out for their effort by watching on TV

is like looking at Tarvaris’s face and diagnosing the shit he took that morning. It’s not really feasible, nor reasonable considering they were literally fighting the Redskins pre-game.

by Stay Off the Flowers on Nov 28, 2011 6:25 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

There is a difference

between emotion and and effort. And I guess your right who knows maybe the Seahawks truly did give it their all. If they did though, we have a huge problem to fix because we just lost to a shit team AT HOME while playing our very best football. I just have a very hard time believing that the team that beat the Giants in the Meadowlands was giving everything they had in a losing effort to the Redskins at home.

Do or do not, there is no try-Yoda

by ironheart777 on Nov 28, 2011 7:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Because

I know for a fact we are a way better team then that. We are not a Superbowl team, that is obvious. But we are also not a team that loses to a team that has a terrible offense that still manages to put up 400 yards against us. We are way, way better then that. Sure there were ALOT of scheme issues, but at the same time we just were not playing to our full potential. We were sloppy and way to emotional, some of the players were acting like immature children out there. Who knows, maybe thats a product of getting TOO amped up, I suppose it’s possible.

Do or do not, there is no try-Yoda

by ironheart777 on Nov 28, 2011 6:58 PM PST up reply actions  

All i want to see

is the team try their hardest, an i felt like we were not trying our hardest out there.

Do or do not, there is no try-Yoda

by ironheart777 on Nov 28, 2011 6:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Plus, Horrible Horrible team?

The Redskins are mediocre, but a pretty damn talented defense that plays disciplined football. I’m more pissed about only putting up 24 on the Rams than 17 against this team with our offense.

by Stay Off the Flowers on Nov 27, 2011 6:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Horrible game.

New linebackers are necessary, I believe. As well as a quarterback. Other than that, we are fine.

by Neonjerseysplease on Nov 27, 2011 4:33 PM PST reply actions  

T Jax

Needs to recognize the blitz.. Then get rid of the ball in a more timely manner. Just horrible

by Redzone59 on Nov 27, 2011 4:34 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Quarterback wanted

I am going to flip out if I hear another Hawk fan rationalize against being aggressive for a QB in the ’12 draft.

by MTJ on Nov 27, 2011 4:34 PM PST reply actions  

If it happened say once or twice it'd be a 'whatever' situation and we'd be nitpicking

but it happened every time they were blitzing. he did not audible to a screen/slant/quick throw. Either that or he held on to the ball. I’m not jumping on the cut him now bandwagon, just disappointed that he is what we thought he was. Beekers totally called it – unconsistent, and he’s been no better this year.

Heresy grows from idleness.

by Corax --Nevermore-- on Nov 27, 2011 4:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed...it happens every week.

I don’t expect him to perform miracles, but I do expect him to put his team in the best position to succeed. He’s not a rookie, got to have the aptitude to adjust.

by MTJ on Nov 27, 2011 4:39 PM PST up reply actions  

The "blame the QB" talk is silly. This loss is squarely on the defense.

TJ is what he is, and did enough to put us in a position to win going into the 4th.

Also this game sucked to watch and made me feel horrible. God is dead, eat shit and die everyone and everything.

by jhmg16 on Nov 27, 2011 4:35 PM PST reply actions  

I don't understand the question (honestly)

Defense underperformed, TJ was exactly what I expected him to be.

by jhmg16 on Nov 27, 2011 4:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I think it's a strength, and QB play is a weakness. Our offense did enough to make me feel like we had this game put away.

I get that it’s frustrating for you guys to watch an inept QB trying to run the offense when we are down and need a comeback, I’m just more frustrated he was in that position at all.

by jhmg16 on Nov 27, 2011 4:43 PM PST up reply actions  

An important parameter I feel like plays a part in my assessment of the defense

is where they are from an evolution standpoint, and at this stage, they’ll have down games which’ll be frustrating for us, but I think they are at least upper half of the league

Heresy grows from idleness.

by Corax --Nevermore-- on Nov 27, 2011 4:46 PM PST up reply actions  

those last five words were the very thing we were running from

…..Tjack’s got some wheels to catch us, though, I know I was running pretty damn hard…

Heresy grows from idleness.

by Corax --Nevermore-- on Nov 27, 2011 4:39 PM PST up reply actions  

That is very true

the defense did not play well enough to win today, they seemed completely lost at times in pass coverage on certain plays, this must stop.
on the flip side, penalties are down! A positive!

Heresy grows from idleness.

by Corax --Nevermore-- on Nov 27, 2011 4:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Our QB did nothing to help us win

That’s not how I want to define my teams QB situation…perhaps I am crazy for wanting more?

by MTJ on Nov 27, 2011 4:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I want more too.

As the case has always been since the day we made the playoffs last season, we will get that quarterback in next years draft.

by jhmg16 on Nov 27, 2011 4:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Really?

Regardless T Jax can’t/doesn’t recognize the blitz. It’s a team lose but T Jax is a glaring weakness

by Redzone59 on Nov 27, 2011 4:37 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

TJ was not good today.

The Seahawks had the ball three times in the last three minutes and, I believe, went three and out each time.

by BrianL on Nov 27, 2011 4:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree! But what's more surprising and frustrating?

TJ not being very good, or the defense giving up two big touchdown plays near the end of the game?

by jhmg16 on Nov 27, 2011 4:41 PM PST up reply actions  

*Raises hand*

Defense underwhelmed today towards the end.

by Stay Off the Flowers on Nov 27, 2011 4:42 PM PST up reply actions  

And in my opinion

so did the gameplan. The Redskins coaches did a amazing job diagnosing our limitations on defense. Gus Bradley has to realize when his plan has been figured out and adapt and fix the situation. He did a horrible job trying to fix the situation, all it would have taken was a few simple adjustments I.E. GET OUTSIDE CONTAIN.

Do or do not, there is no try-Yoda

by ironheart777 on Nov 27, 2011 5:55 PM PST up reply actions  

To tell you the truth

I was WAY more frustrated with the TD plays. IMO Tjack shouldn’t be put in the position to fail, which he unfortunately has in the past

Heresy grows from idleness.

by Corax --Nevermore-- on Nov 27, 2011 4:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm really not surprised by either.

Our defense isn’t good at pass rush, it was only a matter of time before a team decided to exploit that.

by BrianL on Nov 27, 2011 4:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Again, it doesn't matter what's more surprising or frustrating.

Yes the defense did poorly in the end by letting the Redskins retake the lead but that doesn’t change the fact that Jackson is almost utterly incapable of leading any sort of late game comeback drive.

by Coach Owens on Nov 27, 2011 4:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

Which will lead to us losing. How in hell do we play that bad at home? I don’t understand it haha.

by Neonjerseysplease on Nov 27, 2011 4:42 PM PST up reply actions  

They've played far worse at home than on the road

They put up respectable-ish defensive efforts at San Fran, Cleveland, and in our two road wins.

IMPROVEMENT!

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by SSreporters on Nov 27, 2011 4:49 PM PST up reply actions  

FIRE JACKSON

T-JACK YOUR NOT A ROOKIE IF THEY BRING 8 GUYS IN THE BOX DONT RUN A 5 OR 7 STEP DROP YOU NEED TO THROW THAT THING AS SOON AS THAT PIGSKIN TOUCHES YOUR HANDS WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?????????

IVE STUCK BY JACKSON BUT THESE LAST TWO WEEKS PUT WHITEHURST IN AND LET HIM HAND OFF TO LYNCH ON EVERYDOWN. NOT WASHINGTON. LYNCH.

by kermdawg on Nov 27, 2011 4:41 PM PST reply actions  

I'll defend this guy

before everyone jumps on you for hating, because this feels like a ‘I need to let go of my anger’ rant, and I’m personally okay with those

Heresy grows from idleness.

by Corax --Nevermore-- on Nov 27, 2011 4:41 PM PST up reply actions  

You're*

YOURE YOURE YOURE YOURE YOURE YOURE!

It’s not that f*ing hard!

by Stay Off the Flowers on Nov 27, 2011 4:43 PM PST up reply actions  

You'd think after elementary school someone would step in and correct that.

After middle school, maybe? Sometime in high school? A well-read Aunt could speak up?

Not picking on that guy, it bugs me on a daily basis.

by jhmg16 on Nov 27, 2011 4:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with you on

the five and seven step part. T-Joke um Jack needs to get that ball off quickly and not take a Hasselsack in a rush 8 situation.

Do or do not, there is no try-Yoda

by ironheart777 on Nov 27, 2011 5:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Why the hell are they calling plays that even require plays to take that long?

I swear Bevell is confused….

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by SSreporters on Nov 27, 2011 6:01 PM PST up reply actions  

So in summary

there’s interesting pieces on both sides of the ball, but the team overall lacks talent and still needs important skill players added on both sides of the ball.

In other words, we’re still not a good team.

by BrianL on Nov 27, 2011 4:48 PM PST reply actions  

I think so

if you look at all the really good defenses historically, don’t they usually have like 1-2 monstrosities and the rest are ‘okay’? I don’t have hard stats but it seems like all you need is someone to force opposing OCs to gameplan around so everyone else who is mediocre-good can just do their job right

Heresy grows from idleness.

by Corax --Nevermore-- on Nov 27, 2011 4:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I think league-wide it is regarded as true.

"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."

by shams on Nov 27, 2011 6:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Disagree with you on talent

I think in many areas we are a extremely talented team who needs to grow up quickly if it wants to become successful. I believe limitations on the outside linebackers, QB and cornerback are severely hindering this team, especially since those are arguably the three most important positions in football. Today that was extremely apparent as the Redskins successfully attacked the hell out of those positions.

Do or do not, there is no try-Yoda

by ironheart777 on Nov 27, 2011 6:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Would you say that, as a whole, the Seahawks have enough talent/skill to compete in the league?

I’m not saying that there isn’t any talent on this team, I’m saying that it lacks talent in critical areas and that drags the overall talent level down.

Having a replacement level quarterback drags the overall talent level of the team down.

by BrianL on Nov 27, 2011 6:08 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I think the Hawks have shown they have enough talent/skill to compete in this league

and many of our shortcomings (in wins and losses) come from lack of experience (whether it be time together or pure age). You look at where we are at our high point, and we have coaches that build a gameplan around turnovers, controlling the run, and stopping the run. We do that effectively at some points against really good teams (and elite talent), and fall on our asses at other times.

Do you argue that the Philadelphia Eagles or NYJ don’t have enough talent to compete at this level?

by Stay Off the Flowers on Nov 27, 2011 6:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd need to look at the Eagles a bit more

but I’d say that the Jets aren’t going to be serious competitors until they actually get themselves a consistent and effective passing game.

by BrianL on Nov 27, 2011 6:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm just trying to make the point that talent isn't everything.

You look at the Cardinals when they went to the Super Bowl, the Steelers and their consistent success, and the Packers last year, and you see either superior QB play upping the marginal talent around him, a fantasticly run organization with a defensive genius (and yes, playmakers at a couple positions), and a team that built itself up to withstand injuries to their ‘superior talent’ and bring no-names to the promised land.

From this light, I don’t see how the Hawks can’t develop many of their pieces to have hindsight look at them and call them ‘talented in 2011’.

by Stay Off the Flowers on Nov 27, 2011 6:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Well ya

we need a good QB in order to compete in this league, thats a simple fact. Another simple fact is T-Jack is not a good QB especially when he is playing hurt. But I also see that in some areas we are highly talented. We have a lot of players like Red, Mebane, Rice, Baldwin, Tate, Lynch, Unger, Okung, ET, Chancellor, heck even Sherman who are the type of talent that could lead this team to the Superbowl in a few years. However, this will not happen until we get a good QB

Do or do not, there is no try-Yoda

by ironheart777 on Nov 27, 2011 6:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Here's how:

When you’re “iron-deficient”, you lack enough iron to function and you can develop anemia.

When you’re talent-deficient, you lack enough talent to function and you can become the Indianapolis Colts.

When you are a very talented Matt Barkley freshman year in USC or Matt Hasselbeck as an NFL practice squad rookie, you are not yet ready to be a championship-level player, but should be within time.

When you are a not-talented converted-TE to LT Jason Smith drafted first overall by the Rams, you probably don’t have a future.

by Stay Off the Flowers on Nov 27, 2011 6:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not disagreeing with you

I see what you are saying, I just don’t believe all our losses come solely from lack of talent. In fact the Steelers are really the only team i believe are more talented then us in positions other than just QB and outside linebacker. We’ve lost alot of our games do to bad QB play and bad ST play.

Do or do not, there is no try-Yoda

by ironheart777 on Nov 27, 2011 6:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Now are you convinced that we need to draft Barkley?

Raise your hands if you really thought Seattle was good enough to get into the playoffs? Time to now focus on what we need to do to get Barkley in the draft.

Time to sit the starters out and let the backups play. Lets see what the practice squad can do in the games.

Imagine Barkley wearing #7 in Seahawk blue next year. This is a good read about Seattle and Barkley.

  http://seahawksdraftblog.com/seahawks-should-do-what-it-takes-for-barkley

by blazerbill on Nov 27, 2011 4:55 PM PST reply actions  

Are you JarHead by any chance?

Don't be an idiot. If an idiot would do that, then don't do it. Muahahahaaha back on twitter

by RagingAlot on Nov 27, 2011 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Let it go

No team ever gives up on a season this early in. You would see a league-affecting scandal if we started throwing games like that. You even see the Colts playing their (untalented) asses off today. When will people stop calling for this kind of ridiculous other-dimensional bullshit?

Fuck man, all I want for Christmas is to be at CenturyLink on the 24th for a win against the 49ers.

by Stay Off the Flowers on Nov 27, 2011 4:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Sit out the starters? Are you serious? Rebuilding is all about building talent.

How can you do that when your very young talent does not play. And I think it’s really interesting how Barkley has turned in a sure thing. Draft picks often fail you realize? Very often. Why base our entire future on one very volatile player?

I am convinced that Seattle sports teams exist to make me hate Seattle sports teams.

by the other side on Nov 27, 2011 4:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Draft picks often fail? 90% of the players are draft picks.

I will make you a bet. I will draft my QB and team with top ten picks and you can pick your QB and team with the bottom 10 picks and we will see who has the better team. Obviously the higher the draft pick the better the chances of getting a quality player. Its not guaranteed, but I would like to have a choice of which QB to draft than get whatever is leftover.

by blazerbill on Nov 27, 2011 5:09 PM PST up reply actions  

90% of players are draft picks?

This is perhaps the most inane argument I have ever seen. How about we look instead at the 75% or more of draft picks that don’t play? And yes a top 10 > bottom 10, wow some great deduction there. I am saying that literally giving up on the season does not help the development nor the mindset of the team and its trust in the team’s leadership.

I am convinced that Seattle sports teams exist to make me hate Seattle sports teams.

by the other side on Nov 27, 2011 5:12 PM PST up reply actions  

All I am saying is there are subtle ways to let the other team have an advantage

For instance calling plays that are obvious to the other team, that have little chance at success and only on a few occasions on key downs. The players play, get the experience.

by blazerbill on Nov 27, 2011 5:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Because the players wouldn't be able to tell.

I am convinced that Seattle sports teams exist to make me hate Seattle sports teams.

by the other side on Nov 27, 2011 5:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Haha this isn't Madden, which sometimes people need to get reminded of

players don’t get better by doing things that don’t work. You can only learn how to win by winning. They’re going to keep trying to get better as opposed to your Chicago Black Sox genius master plan to get the QB-that-nobody-thinks-is-the-second-coming-of-anybody.

by Stay Off the Flowers on Nov 27, 2011 5:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm as frustrated as with any loss to lose this game,

especially to the always-mediocre Redskins who seem to beat us in the regular season and without Tom Collins (whatever his name is) at QB, but the positive is in draft position vs. the Redskins. We’re ahead of them in line for a top QB now.

by Stay Off the Flowers on Nov 27, 2011 4:56 PM PST reply actions  

Snicker snort

"That's funny. I post here all the time and I never see (you) here."
- GreatGoogly, to John Morgan

"John Morgan IS Field Gulls, asshole!"

by Clendy on Nov 27, 2011 11:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I can't stand Darrell Bevell

I can’t stand these telegraphed screens where we split Lynch out wide and then throw it right to him.

I can’t stand the refusal to adjust to 8 man fronts. Could T-Jack audible? Sure. But Bevell should know what Jackson is capable of.

I can’t stand throwing it on 3rd and 3 and 3rd and 2 and then firing 15 yard passes.

Bring back Jeremy Bates.

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by SSreporters on Nov 27, 2011 4:58 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Fade to Tate!

Don't be an idiot. If an idiot would do that, then don't do it. Muahahahaaha back on twitter

by RagingAlot on Nov 27, 2011 5:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Eh

Being down 17-0 to the Panthers last year showed how limited and young Jeremy Bates really was.

Do or do not, there is no try-Yoda

by ironheart777 on Nov 27, 2011 6:05 PM PST up reply actions  

So? Seattle was down 17-0 to the Lions under Knapp

The offense needs a QB. Bates needed a QB like Cutler and instead of Hasselbeck.

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by SSreporters on Nov 27, 2011 6:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Nobody's arguing the merits of Bates vs. Knapp.

and many teams need a QB like Cutler. Doesn’t make Bates the best fit for our job. PC has publicly stated how he isn’t necessarily looking for a Cutler, indicating he doesn’t need what Bates needs. System mismatch.

by Stay Off the Flowers on Nov 27, 2011 6:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Then Bates should have adjusted

its the coaches job to take what talent he has and great the best game plan possible to beat the weeks opponent.

Do or do not, there is no try-Yoda

by ironheart777 on Nov 27, 2011 6:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I hope Cable gets promoted to OC next year.

Then institute the Raider-style of play into the NFC West. Marshawn Lynch + 1-year-older line…mmmmmmmm donuts

by Stay Off the Flowers on Nov 27, 2011 5:08 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

You see this penaltyfest?

I say we’re almost there.

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by SSreporters on Nov 27, 2011 5:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think I could stand to see another 4th-1 deep throw in my life.

I am convinced that Seattle sports teams exist to make me hate Seattle sports teams.

by the other side on Nov 27, 2011 5:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I like passing with effectiveness

I didn’t mind Knapp, but him and Bevell have permanently made it clear that I am done with “run to set up the pass” and “smashmouth” football bullshit.

It’s a passing league. The Seahawks think that they can thrive on 100 yard games and stout run D.

Fix this in April and if there’s no QB drafted in April I will be pissed.

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by SSreporters on Nov 27, 2011 5:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Bates created gameplans to beat the Rams with Charlie Whitehurst

And score 41 on the Saints.

Seattle hasn’t put up 30 without a defensive TD in a single game this year.

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by SSreporters on Nov 27, 2011 5:07 PM PST up reply actions  

The Rams....

Yes, the Saints was a great gameplan, but those are still 2 games out of many frustrating failures. I’m down with letting Pete get the guys he wants to run his system.

by Stay Off the Flowers on Nov 27, 2011 5:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think it was a failure

The QB was the problem in Bates’ system.

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by SSreporters on Nov 27, 2011 5:11 PM PST up reply actions  

And it's not in this one?

I am convinced that Seattle sports teams exist to make me hate Seattle sports teams.

by the other side on Nov 27, 2011 5:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not disagreeing.

But if we are going to be fair to Bevell, he has a pretty terrible QB to work with as well. I really don’t want to be the defender of Bevell here, I think he is part of the problem. I just am not sure if Bates was as amazing as everyone seems to think.

I am convinced that Seattle sports teams exist to make me hate Seattle sports teams.

by the other side on Nov 27, 2011 5:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Bates maximized Charlie Whitehurst's usefulness

That’s amazing to me.

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by SSreporters on Nov 27, 2011 5:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Touche.

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by the other side on Nov 27, 2011 5:19 PM PST up reply actions  

It isn't

But he’s a much better gameplanner than Bevell, who seems to think that Jackson is Dan Fouts.

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by SSreporters on Nov 27, 2011 5:31 PM PST up reply actions  

16 points

That’s a TD and 3 field goals. Yes, he got Charlie to ‘not lose’ and allowed Gus Bradley to beat a rookie QB, but that’s hardly something you put on your resume.

by Stay Off the Flowers on Nov 27, 2011 5:59 PM PST up reply actions  

So what about...

The games against Chicago and Arizona where they got huge games out of BMW and avoided sacks in both games?

or the 2nd Arizona game where Hasselbeck stretched the field?

Jackson only stretches the field when he sees Sidney Rice.

Bates was handicapped with a bad QB and did a decent job.

I respect your opinion even though it's wrong.

by SSreporters on Nov 27, 2011 6:03 PM PST up reply actions  

There were definitely some bright spots

and I think he’ll be a good coach down the road, but it just doesn’t seem like his philosophy fits with the direction PC/JS wants for the team. I think he’d be better on a spread offense like Philly or with more weapons that are utilized differently.

by Stay Off the Flowers on Nov 27, 2011 6:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Bevell's system blows

The only time it worked was when Brett Favre channeled old man strength. Then that stopped and it sucked again.

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by SSreporters on Nov 27, 2011 5:16 PM PST up reply actions  

actually, it worked in a year where the Vikings had the best run game

in the league, one of the most fierce D-lines and pass rushes in the league, and outstanding seasons from 3 elite receivers in Rice, Harvin, and an slightly slowed but still effective veteran B. Berrian. Having watched a lot of the 2009 Vikes games, AP almost always carried on first down, and if presented in a 2nd and short situation, Favre had exceptional passing stats on 2nd down. I think Bevell’s failing in 2010 was relying more on Favre than AP, especially early in games and on first downs.

I think Bevell and Cable are actually a quite good combination, and our run game is coming around quite well under their combined leadership. We all knew the rebuild was going to be more that a 4 game process, especially on offense (only current starters from before Carroll was hired are Obamanu and Unger) with new OC, the completely new OLine, and a QB limited by lack of familiarity with receivers, injury, key drops by receivers, and placed at great disadvantage by penalties requiring him to do more than any other QB to recover for lost yardage. I LIKE the foundation for a successful run game that Bevell and Cable have put together, and I am not surprised that TJax is not able to lead the team to game winning drives when he has to start out 1st and 20 and a 3rd and 2 is converted to a 3rd and 7… I expect an offseason to do a world of good for the offense, new QB or not

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by pqlqi on Nov 28, 2011 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I was being mostly facetious.

I thought he was pretty good overall, but there were some infuriating small things.

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by the other side on Nov 27, 2011 5:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I disagree

yes its obvious we need a QB, but be that as it may if we get the right personnel it is possible to win with a running game. Yes we need a passing game, but the fact is we don’t have a good QB and we won’t until April. I’d rather work on becoming a more 3 dimensional team then try to force a shitty passing game.

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by ironheart777 on Nov 27, 2011 6:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Red Bryant to the Pro Bowl

Who wants to spam-vote?

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by SSreporters on Nov 27, 2011 5:17 PM PST reply actions  

Already started. LETS DO THIS

Don't be an idiot. If an idiot would do that, then don't do it. Muahahahaaha back on twitter

by RagingAlot on Nov 27, 2011 5:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Browner sucks, I can't be convinced of improvement

But Richard Sherman is a sensation. I think our CB injuries have actually benefited the Seahawks.

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by SSreporters on Nov 27, 2011 5:37 PM PST reply actions  

I don't think Browner sucks

he’s not stellar by any stretch, but he makes good plays occasionally, which should be enough to bring him above Kelly Jennings status

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Nov 27, 2011 5:42 PM PST up reply actions  

He's physical and stupid

Doesn’t turn his head half the time and is a penalty machine.

CFL rules must be 100% different.

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by SSreporters on Nov 27, 2011 5:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Most of that can be corrected, though

and so I continue to give him the benefit of the doubt

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Nov 27, 2011 5:47 PM PST up reply actions  

There's a reason why no one in the NFL gave him a look after the first time he was cut

And this personal foul nonsense has to stop.

Sherman has outplayed him easily.

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by SSreporters on Nov 27, 2011 5:48 PM PST up reply actions  

That's not really a reason

’cause the same thing could be said about Baldwin to a degree. I agree, Sherman has outplayed him, and could probably take his spot when Thurmond comes back

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Nov 27, 2011 5:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I take exception to you calling him stupid.

"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."

by shams on Nov 27, 2011 6:35 PM PST up reply actions  

How? He gets penalized 2-3 times a game

And is good for one personal foul penalty per game.

He may be fine in other areas, but his football brain is just mush.

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by SSreporters on Nov 27, 2011 6:37 PM PST up reply actions  

He intercepted the ball

which is more than Jennings ever dreamed of doing.

But I guess Jennings was at least intelligent?

by Stay Off the Flowers on Nov 27, 2011 6:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Just find another way to make your point, it's not hard.

"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."

by shams on Nov 27, 2011 6:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Look, guys make mental mistakes for plenty of reasons other than IQ.

Just be respectful to our players, it’s not hard.

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by shams on Nov 27, 2011 6:46 PM PST up reply actions  

3 man rush!

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by SSreporters on Nov 27, 2011 5:40 PM PST up reply actions  

No, seriously the 3 man rush will totally work on this next play just watch!

Okay fine we’ll blitz now, but we’re damn well not going to cover anybody.

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by the other side on Nov 27, 2011 5:42 PM PST up reply actions  

What is this five letter word, 'cross'?

Sounds like japanese to me

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Nov 27, 2011 5:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I think they just invented it today. So you should expect to see it in more games from now on.

Along with that screen thing. That shit is brilliant.

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by the other side on Nov 27, 2011 5:47 PM PST up reply actions  

What's a blitz?

Oh yeah the one time we blitz Grossman goes down.

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by SSreporters on Nov 27, 2011 5:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I seem to remember two. And we got there once and the other time another fucking 10 yard completion to Gaffney.

The time we got there was picked up and only worked because Hargrove bullrushed through two blockers.

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by the other side on Nov 27, 2011 5:50 PM PST up reply actions  

What?

I’m rewatching the game now and I’ve already seen two blitzes, neither of which got to Grossman.

by Nate Dogg on Nov 27, 2011 8:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Every comment above mine in this subthread

seems to indicate that we were out-gameplanned this week.

by Stay Off the Flowers on Nov 27, 2011 5:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I think it'd be fair to say that we were

How else do you give up THAT many crossing routes>

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Nov 27, 2011 5:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I only caught the first half of the game on the radio

but every Redskins play seemed to be a play-fake and the defense seemed to be out of position more often than not.

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Nov 27, 2011 6:59 PM PST up reply actions  

We play the run

way way to hard. I agree with Pete that controlling the run is crucial, but our players need to calm down a second and read the play.

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by ironheart777 on Nov 27, 2011 7:09 PM PST up reply actions  

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