The Fourth Quarter Part II
Seattle would get the ball back twice more, but the first, at 2:34 remaining, is your last chance drive. That they got another chance shouldn't be recognized in evaluating this drive.
Here's the first play, one second after the snap.

Jackson has already identified his best option. The DE fakes outside and comes inside, the LB stunts around the edge. Jackson shouldn't have let this pressure affect his timing. Indeed, he throws over the two of them. I don't know that the throw should have been hurried to avoid that, but the throw is off.
Ben Obomanu's response makes me wonder whether he & Jackson were on the same page. He's open, he turns in, and turns back to look at Jackson. Jackson is throwing to him, but which way? Hall is coming up to defend, and Obomanu waits rather than cuts infield, to see that Jackson's back-shoulder throw is off and he needs to backpedal toward the sideline to make an attempt. I don't know what went wrong or what Jackson expected Obomanu to do. I am guessing it was not sit there & wait, but this may have been a curl and both knew where the throw would have to be to keep it safe. Either way the throw was bad. If it was affected by the pass rush, it shouldn't have been, though the timing was fine.
2-10-SEA 18 (2:31) (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Jackson pass short right to B.Obomanu ran ob at SEA 26 for 8 yards.
Next play, back to Obomanu on a come back route. Good execution all around, though nothing praiseworthy. Would be nice to have been able to time & space the throw & route to get the first down, but that involves factors that neither player can control. Nothing to criticize.
3-2-SEA 26 (2:26) (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Jackson pass incomplete short right to B.Obomanu.
PENALTY on SEA, Ineligible Downfield Pass, 5 yards, enforced at SEA 26 - No Play. No player identified on penalty.
The mysterious, unidentified passer lobbed one behind himself, which was toward and beyond the line of scrimmage. The result of a surprise corner blitz, who took a lot of effort to bring the phantom passer down. Call it a sack.
3-7-SEA 21 (2:18) (Shotgun) T.Jackson pass short right to Z.Miller pushed ob at SEA 23 for 2 yards (P.Riley)
6 on the line, 7 in the box, receivers successfully jammed. Miller is the only real option, the right option. Jackson see him but double-clutches -- it was not a pump fake -- before making the toss. This pass needed that moment to give Miller space in front of him to try to make the 1st down. Giving it to him in stride might have helped, too. He's contained & wrapped up along the sideline forcing the 4th down. Criticizable. Good playcalling & execution by Washington. Did you expect them to lie down?

4-5-SEA 23 (2:13) (Shotgun) T.Jackson sacked at SEA 14 for -9 yards (sack split by B.Orakpo and S.Bowen)
8 on the line, an instant sack. This play never had a chance. Seattle had one timeout left. Should they have used it? That'd make Washington line up in a more favorable formation, something we could work with. Right? It could have been used. I don't know what difference it might have made.
Now Washington gets to play conservative and protect a lead. A 3 & out of hopeless runs caring more to drain the clock than get better field goal position. Now down by 6, Seattle gets another chance.
Prevent defense. Wrap-up game directing. I can't analyze these throws. 7 in coverage on 4, a checkdown to Forsett. An incomplete to Baldwin that probably led a little too far in front of him, thus making it more defensible by Washington. Batted down. An interception on a pass to Tate -- this time, interestingly, with only 5 in coverage -- again led too far in front but the defender broke off from trailing behind Tate to get the ball under & in front of Tate. Icing interceptions aren't exactly uncommon. Desperation drives aren't high percentage. Not a good decision. I can't tell who else might have been open, but the game icing sack was just a moment before the ball got off to the game icing pick.
So it goes. Billy Pilgrim told me next year was awesome, but I'm not sure I believe him. I don't see the clarity, the certainty of blame assignment that others see. Shouldn't have been in this position in the first place, I suppose the argument goes. A better QB would have put the game out of reach by then. More scoring earlier.
Well I'm certain of two things I suppose. I'm certain that the Shanahan lineage outcoached Seattle and "inexcusable" is as close to accurate there as grumbling sports fans ever approach. What they ran was not new, was to be expected, and yet there was no discernible, attempted answer made in the first quarter.
I'm also certain not to believe folks who tell me it's clear Seattle cannot win with Tarvaris Jackson. I can appreciate if the reticence to take a stand on the position exasperates you. But that's about the most certain I can be about him and the Pete Carroll Seahawks. That's not saying you can win with him. That's not saying trade up, or don't, or pick one or anything else, only what the statement says. That it is certain that you cannot with with Jackson...well, it's not certain to me. Not because he demonstrated poor poise in the 4th quarter of this game. Success was not to be had, the stats look bad, but upon further review that problem did not surface.
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You have to wonder
If you have a timeout and the 2 minute warning, and you have the #1 ranked offense in 3rd and 4th and 2 situations, along with a 100 yard rusher, why the hell are they throwing?
Bevell infuriates me but I assume that even if Seattle made it the agony of defeat would just be delayed.
I respect your opinion even though it's wrong.
5 yards is pretty gutsy to go with a run on 4th down.
I’m sure with do-over they’d try to do different things. I’m sure it could have been done better. I certainly can’t say, there was just no way they could have had success.
I wasn’t evaluating whether the tactics, play-calling & players’ handling of the situation were all correct, though it’s OK if anyone else is. I’m evaluating whether the performance tells us anything about the capabilities of the QB.
I’m watching NE-PHI right now to prepare to tomorrow night. I just saw Brady make a couple decent near-completion attempts to Welker, but he had better options more open to go to. Directly in his line of sight as he decides to go to Welker. Doesn’t look like good decision making. But a passing attack that is functional, has the capabilities of generating explosive plays, can change the dynamics of so much. A healthy, veteran team playing smart with good capabilities and low limiting factors can be a great, elite team.
Anyway, Jackson’s reputation is pretty much written in stone by this point. No matter what Carroll thinks he can do with Jackson or what Jackson can become within the system design he has in mind, he probably has to go in another direction just because of the stigma and the fact that any further commitment to him will tie his tenure, reputation & remaining career to how successful Jackson is under him. The change is going to be made.
Head of catering.
by jacobstevens on Nov 30, 2011 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
I'm talking about the 3rd and 2 play that ended in a penalty
I respect your opinion even though it's wrong.
4-5-SEA 23 (2:13) (Shotgun) T.Jackson sacked at SEA 14 for -9 yards (sack split by B.Orakpo and S.Bowen)
If you look at the snap, Top 2 DBs (left) are at least 10 yards off while the bottom DBs(right, Obomanu) is in close man to man. The top DBs fade back leaving at least 7 to 10 yard bubble as they fade off the screen. No clue they could not audible out into a pop pass or quick slant. or 3 rd down just run with Lynch since you have 2 minute warning and could probably pull off another run if needed on 4th down, again before the warning.
This.
An eight-man blitz is definitely not an “instant sack” most of the time, which is why you rarely see blitzes that heavy. We used to curse the seven- and eight-man blitzes of coordinators past. Had Jackson completed a pass for a first down on this play, and we’d gone on to win the game, we’d all be talking about what a stupid play call that was by Washington.
GET OFF ME!!!
Haslett is a super-aggressive blitzer.
The personnel he has has worked well with it. We saw it most of the game, yet we also saw them dropping as many as 4 guys back from it. It takes about 2 steps and a second to drop an OLB into the slant lane. They aren’t unfamiliar with audibles to quick outlet passes.
You can only call so many time outs, and in a close game they matter. When you fall behind they matter. Not only do you only have 3 per half, but your audibles & time outs against their formations tell them what you don’t have an at-hand answer for.
You can beat pressure with the screen, beat blitzes with the bubble screen, set up the pass with the run, or set up the vertical pass with the quick short passing game. Each of those require established, successful execution first to prompt them to adjust. I could see a WR screen being a very good option against their Buddy Ryan-style blitzing. I don’t know how many of those plays we have in the playbook, but I know for whatever reason Seattle’s been GAWD AWFUL at it since it came to the pros. Coaches tend to not go with what hasn’t yet worked in these kind of situations.
Head of catering.
by jacobstevens on Nov 30, 2011 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
"Instant Sack?"
It is fourth down…the one thing you do NOT do is take a sack.
by Richard Simmons on Nov 30, 2011 6:49 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah
When a team blitzes eight the QB has guys open. He just needs to make a play. It was a bad 4th qtr performance from Jackson. Not just on the last two drives either. He has been pretty honest in assessing his performances, if you ask him he’d tell you the same thing.
We should have ran on 3rd and 2. I was surprised when T Jax dropped back to pass. If we run there and don’t get it, it would be 4th and short. Then again, if we ran it and got it, don’t you guys think we’d be called for holding?
Nice breakdown of the plays
Kinda like picking a big scab, though; you know you’re gonna bleed some more, and yet, just can’t stop from picking away at it.
That very first play...
…is exactly the type of play that frustrates me with Jackson. In that snapshot (and when I was watching it live at home), my brain says, “QB, roll out left, eyes down field, buy more time for your WRs to work.” The play looks, in that moment, to be a win for the defense (short reception in bounds is a defensive win, I think, it that situation). Change the picture. Roll out left, help out your OL, keep your eyes downfield, and reevaluate. The rollout itself may clear some space as an LB is going to come up to prevent an easy run and, if nothing else, you’re outside the tacklebox which enables a throwaway if necessary.
Brady, Mannings, Rogers, Brees, and other decent QBs do this religiously (Manning the Greater would probably slide left moreso than bootleg, but you get the idea).
Most of my cliches aren't original.
- Chuck Knox
It's really beneficial to watch the tape again, to see how quickly everything materializes.
Roll-outs must be called, designed, or you’ll have pretty drastic results. The protection assignments need to account for it and know where the QB should be.
On a different play that I noted, but not that one, it seemed he could have, should have, and even must have had the option to roll to the right. He could have escaped the rapid pressure had he done so. I don’t know what would have developed on an extended play like that.
(I’ve said a few times this year, the modern NFL demands that passing attacks have extended play design upon the initial route so the receiver & QB know what to do. The vast majority of the NFL does not do this, they simply ad-lib based on institutional knowledge of their system, defensive coverage principles and familiarity with each other. Not unlike basic play concepts run about 60 years ago. The next generation of OCs will make their mark with more detailed extended play design.)
Anyway, something could have worked out had he scrambled. What I could see was, a very good option in Baldwin beating his man by a step with zero safety coverage on top, that window would have been gone had he scrambled right. By the time he left the tackle box, squared and threw in the first available lane, he’d have had to survey to see whether any options were worth taking. The option he had, he had to take then.
Head of catering.
by jacobstevens on Nov 30, 2011 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
It just seems like T-Jack isn't the fastest "reader" of defenses...
And his supposed athetecism could buy him those extra fractions of a second he may need to make up for it. If I were calling plays I’d have a tendency to move the pocket anyway, but even moreso with a QB that has a spring in his step (it’s T-Jack’s boobie that’s broken, not his legs) – if for no other reason the freedom it affords to throw it away and play action potential.
I guess what I was talking about was just the beaten horse of Jackson’s pocket presence; designed or not, there’s a lot of field open to his left in that first picture.
This also reminds me of an old drum I’ve always beaten. One’s offense should be flexible to morph around what you have, not what you’d like to have. Regardless of his time with Jackson in Minnesota, Bevell’s offense seems to ask TJ to conform to it rather than conforming to what he seems to do naturally better. As I watched Washington’s tenth run with boot action/play action bootleg with deep routes, I couldn’t help but think that’s an offense in which Tarvaris would have more success.
Most of my cliches aren't original.
- Chuck Knox
by Azimeir on Nov 30, 2011 12:44 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
As I watched the entire game from the 'Hawks Nest, it became painfully evident how often a designed bootleg could have worked wonders agains the Redskins D
Given Jackson’s ability to throw on the run, and his lauded mobility, it bothers me that they don’t run more play-action bootlegs, especially with the recently improved running game, and even more especially because this offensive line is setup as a primarily run-blocking line. Almost every single one of them (except Russell, perhaps) blocks better on the move than while protecting a static pocket.
With the way the Redskins were stacking the box and selling out to stop the run, some well-designed play-action roll-outs could have done some serious damage to over-aggressive, over-pursuing linebackers.
by Matt Erickson on Nov 30, 2011 7:24 PM PST up reply actions

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