Seahawks Lose to Cowboys 23-13: A Recap
The Seahawks made it interesting in Dallas today but ultimately the Cowboys were too much for this young team, running away with it at the end to win 23-13 to go to 4-4 on the year. The Seahawks fall to 2-6. It was a game that had a feeling sort of similar to the last two for Seattle - lots of missed opportunities and mistakes, penalties, poor special teams play, weird clock management and yet the Hawks remained within striking distance until late against a good team.
Dallas did their part to allow Seattle to hang in the game despite racking up 304 total yards in the first half on ten first downs. To start, the two teams did nothing on their respective opening drives and then Jon Ryan boomed a punt that Dez Bryant inexplicably fielded at the 4 yard line before being tackled at the 1. The Cowboys then marched down the field with a mixture of fine passing by Tony Romo and hard running by DeMarco Murray. Their drive stalled in the redzone and despite a first and goal from the 8-yard line, they settled for a field goal.
This was the first of several missed opportunities by the Cowboys early on, and Dez Bryant had another key mistake with 6:39 in the 2nd quarter as he rumbled for what looked to be a sure touchdown, but fumbled after a big hit by Richard Sherman on the 1-yard line. The ball was recovered by the Seahawks, who then marched down the field and tied the game at 6 with just over a minute in the half. So, despite being outgained 304-134 in total yards in the first half, the Seahawks remained in good position to win the game.
The second half was a similar story but this time key mistakes came back to really bite the Seahawks in the ass. Principal of which was a blown assignment by K.J. Wright on Dallas' all-world TE Jason Witten, who caught a pass, wide-open in the flats, and ran it in for a 33-yard touchdown. Your writers here, specifically Thomas, were particularly worried about the Jason Witten matchup and this did prove to be an issue for the Seahawks defense, as he caught 4 passes for 71 yards and that big Dallas TD.
The Seahawks offense grinded away the 3rd quarter for the most part though otherwise, picking up five first downs on offense and controlling the football for over nine minutes, but they failed to put any points on the scoreboard, thanks in part to a blocked Steven Hauschka field goal attempt with 4:50 left in the frame.
Later in the quarter, Tarvaris made the first of several big mistakes in the 2nd half, as he tried to throw a ball away on a failed screen pass development, but accidentally threw the ball right into the hands of Jason Hatcher. This killed what looked to be a nice drive developing after TJack hit Anthony McCoy for a 31-yard gain up the seam to put the Seahawks into Dallas territory. Obviously, that went for naught and the Seahawks went into the fourth quarter trailing 13-6. The game was still within reach, but the Cowboys were threatening at the Seahawks' 8 yard line following the turnover.
The Cowboys opened the fourth quarter by scoring seven on a nice find by Tony Romo of a wide-open Laurent Robinson after scrambling about in the pocket for a bit. This now put the Seahawks in a tough spot, down 20-6 with 14:17 remaining.
On the Seahawks ensuing drive, Tarvaris Jackson threw his most ill-advised pass of the season off his back foot, a deep sideline route meant for Sidney Rice, that was intercepted by Terrence Newman. The Cowboys drove back down the field and scored a field goal to essentially put the game away, 23-6 with 11:16 remaining.
The Seahawks took the kickoff and drove down the field on a 10-play, 70-yard drive but took over five minutes off the clock and didn't seem to show much of a sense of urgency for the rest of the game, and that proved to be the final score, 23-13.
The Cowboys ran the ball well, picking up 163 yards on the ground with 5.6 yards per carry. Not the performance the previously league-leading Seattle run-defense was looking for. Furthermore, Tony Romo played well, completing 19-of-31 passes for 279 yards and two touchdowns. He was efficient and calm, and the Seahawks got almost zero pressure on him throughout the game. He took advantage.
DeMarco Murray looks like a future superstar, and he rushed today for 139 yards on a 6.3 yards per carry average. He also caught 4 passes for 47 yards and continues to build on his breakout game from last week. It was the first time the Seahawks had given up triple-digits on defense and it certainly hurt them in this one.
As for the Seahawks, there were encouraging plays interspersed with the frustrating ones. First off, Tarvaris Jackson played through what was probably excruciating pain but made three giant mistakes that turned into interceptions. Overall, I don't think he played horribly (though 3 second-half picks will never get your team a win when coming from behind), but he definitely took a setback in terms of fans' confidence as he finished with 221 yards on 17-of-30 passing and those three interceptions.
Marshawn Lynch looked good, as did the offensive line, as the Seahawks rumbled for 162 yards on the ground, 135 for Lynch on a 5.9 ypc average and one touchdown. He played tough, and oftentimes looked exasperated as he picked himself up off the ground. He's playing mad, and it finally showed up on the boxscore so that running success and balance will be something the Seahawks can build on.
The Seahawks ended up rushing 30 times and passing 30 times, and actually won the time of possession, holding the ball for 30:33. They had 18 first downs, which matched that of the Cowboys, and had 381 yards of total offense. They protected Tarvaris well and bottled up Demarcus Ware (props to Carpenter and Okung), but it wasn't enough. They were awful on third down - 2/10, and the penalties and special teams flubs certainly hurt their chances. The Hawks were penalized 10 times for 88-yards. That will need to get cleaned up.
On defense, the Hawks surrendered 442 yards of total offense, including 162 on the ground, and just didn't look to have that swagger or confidence throughout the game. Earl Thomas and David Hawthorne led the way for the Hawks with 8 tackles each, but as a team the Hawks managed to get zero sacks and only two quarterback hits on Tony Romo. That simply won't get it done, no matter how good your secondary plays.
We'll have a lot more for you as the week goes on. As for now, at 2-6, the Seahawks main goals will be building identity and developing their young players. The playoffs at this point are essentially out of the question, but that's not a particular surprise. Time to start preparing to host the Baltimore Ravens.
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This game made me super nervous
Probably because we were in it for longer than we had any right to be:
http://live.advancednflstats.com/index.php?gameid1=2011110603
I think that one part of our play that really killed us was the failure to tackle Murray on first contact. He consistently bounced off defenders for big gains. We were in position to make the stop but couldn’t get the job done.
Lynch’s stat line looked good (and he was very consistent grinding out 3-5 yard runs), but I wonder if he benefited from the defense playing a lot of 6 DB coverage
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Nov 6, 2011 2:09 PM PST reply actions
On Lynch
I think the Cowboys felt like they could manage our run with just their front guys. So, it was encouraging that they could not. Lynch was running well when the game was still very much in doubt. His day was mostly about good blocking and hard (if not especially dynamic) running.
The offensive line play was not without flaw obviously (see penalties and missed assignments), but it was pretty darned good all things considered.
The special teams play is going to be a problem, especially on coverage. Too many personnel losses. Guys like Vobora and Farwell are off-the-street free agents playing because other guys have been injured.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Lynch played well, the o-line played better, even TJax and his 3 picks weren't awful....
Yet we only scored 13 points today, and for once we won the Time of Possession game. It just doesn’t add up to me.
His first one was kinda flukey (fluky?)
I’m not quite sure who he was trying to throw it to because there was never a good look in the live feed, but if he was trying to throw it away, that wasn’t the best way.
His second one was hideous, though I wonder if (despite bad mechanics) he overestimated his arm strength, which could be taking a hit from his pec.
And his third one shouldn’t have been ruled a pick, and really it wasn’t a “bad” throw, per se, since it was 4th and long with no chance of winning. That ruling still pisses me off.
by Matt Erickson on Nov 6, 2011 5:36 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
After the game, he said he wanted to give Rice a "jump ball" opportunity
and then just underthrew it.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Nov 6, 2011 7:16 PM PST up reply actions
The defense took a HUGE step backwards today.
Not only has the sloppiness continued, but we just looked flat and disinterested out there today. The Cowboys don’t have a great offensive line, and if you hit Romo enough he’s going to make mistakes, but it’s like rushing the passer never even crossed the defense’s mind today. A lot of missed tackles, and more than one play where a guy was on the ballcarrier and didn’t even slow him down.
None of the aggressiveness that we’ve seen this season was there today, although seeing all that crap and still only giving up 23 points is a silver lining. The Cowboys are not playing well right now; we gave them this game.
The defense didn't take a step backwards as much as matchup strengths made us overrated the defense
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by Thomas Beekers on Nov 6, 2011 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I will still hold out that the hawks have a better run defense than how they played yesterday
They have played a couple of decent running teams this season and held their own.
Random
But how old is everyone on FG? I feel like I may be the youngest. Go hawks!
by Reebeck12 on Nov 6, 2011 2:53 PM PST via mobile reply actions
If you feel like the youngest you probably are
Heresy grows from idleness.
by Corax --Nevermore-- on Nov 6, 2011 3:31 PM PST up reply actions
I'm 4
I respect your opinion even though it's wrong.
by SSreporters on Nov 6, 2011 3:39 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
My wife says I am twelve
But she’s been saying that for close to two decades now.
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by stufr on Nov 6, 2011 3:42 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Special Teams was a mix of up and down today.
Was extremely frustrated to see that B. Maxwell was flagged twice for the same thing on punts for not trying to get back into the field of play soon enough. That definitely hurt field positioning.
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I don't know what that means?
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He was a penalty machine on ST
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Ohhh, I get it. That is his number constantly being called. Gotcha.
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I think it was only twice
But they were significant and unnecessary. If you are ridden out of bounds, come back in.
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Yeah, it was only twice, but it was for the exact same thing.
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Sorry, it was a running joke in the gamethread
On both of his penalties you could hear refs shouting 41 41 41 41 41!!!!!!!! for basically the entire duration of the play, like he had robbed a bank or kidnapped a small child
or committed a penalty or something
Heresy grows from idleness.
by Corax --Nevermore-- on Nov 6, 2011 3:31 PM PST up reply actions
Ahhh. Wasn't on the gamethreads today. Had a couple friends over for the game.
I’ve learned my lesson to be anti-social and stare at my computer screen.
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by Bobby Cink on Nov 6, 2011 3:32 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I get too bitchy and cranky and high blood pressure'd out to watch games with my friends anymore.
I live in Denver and none of them are Seahawks fans, and it’s sort of hard to conceal my misery around them.
This is perfectly healthy behavior.
Carpenter didn't suck
Gallery did, but the OL played well. Last year’s team would have lost by 21.
There were at least two plays where Gallery was singled out by the announcers as having a very good block/play.
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And a couple of penalties to go with them
The universe is balanced
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Exactly.
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I don't have much to say about this one
These losses aren’t fun. The last three games have been oddly depressing and not only because of the result.
I pretty much expected a loss today, most of us did going into it.
I actually didn’t expect it to be close at all, there’s been a good percentage of games we were in for longer and hung in far better than anyone across the country expected.
Before the season started we knew that there would be some close ones that would be heartbreakers, and games that the youth of the team would show. So far I’ve seen that, and the Giants game gave me a false sense of what to expect every week.
Seattle is about where I (realistically) thought they would be at this point in the season switching NYG with Cincinnati in game I thought would be a W. I’m not that frustrated with where we’re at, as a team. TJ and Chuck have been as advertized, they aren’t the answer for the future of the team (although I think TJ would be a heck of a backup for our QBOTF).
The Department of Redundancy Department is hiring, maybe I should apply myself.
I'm all for the currant youth movement but we have 3 guys with more than 7 years.
A few more solid veterans to school the youngsters wouldn’t hurt. And I’m almost glad TJ showed his decision making skills to Carroll. Last thing we need is to stand pat at QB on draft day.
The big thing that is really scarring me
isn’t how the team is playing but their attitude. They are starting to look depressed and so are the fans. Thats what leads to shitty seasons, not poor personnel or inexperience but a emo attitude. If this team starts losing confidence we could be in for some major shittyness. I know Pete Carrol gets a lot of flak for being all rah rah but thats what we need. His rah rah style won us a playoff game last year. The team as a whole needs to stay excited, confident yet most of all competitive, I think the biggest problem with players like Kelly Jennings was that they didn’t give a rats ass about the game, and it showed.
Do or do not, there is no try-Yoda
The body language is definitely not great.
But until that shows up in on-field effort I don’t think it’s a problem. I trust Carroll to keep this group motivated.
Ya it still worries me though
I think its very important now that we as fans dont freak out though. We can’t be booing this team anymore, once that shit starts is always down hill from then on.
Do or do not, there is no try-Yoda
Baldwin looked pretty pissed
about that third interception call after the review.
Every receiver thinks he made the catch
But that was still awesome. Embodied the feelings of EVERY Seahawks fan.
Both team's WR's thought that was a spectacular catch
Troy Aikman thought it was a catch after watching the replay, but the other guy I don’t remember who he was was 100$ positive the CB had it. It looked like it was in Baldwin’s hands first, and they both came down with the ball. I guess tie goes to the receiver is a joke.
Either way, it was a good play by both players and it really didn’t mean the game. TJ was solely responsible for 2 of the 3 picks, the lob to the DB was a definite and the pass into the DL’s hand was unfortunate but a bad throw.
The Department of Redundancy Department is hiring, maybe I should apply myself.
It was a catch, plain and simple. Aikman didnt call that game, it was Tim Ryan and Chris Myers.
Their argument was fucking inane though. Made me extremely angry.
by jhmg16 on Nov 6, 2011 4:13 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh haha
I am so used to Aikman calling Dallas games I just assumed because they sound fairly similar.
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Bevell should get his pink slip at season's end
Who the hell runs as often as he does down by 17 with ONE timeout?
If not for Sidney Rice I don’t think I want to do any more deals with the Minnesota Vikings ever again.
I respect your opinion even though it's wrong.
Did you watch TJ and Beast today
Who are you going to give the rock to? TJ was not getting it done.
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Down by 17
You have to abandon the run and/or start throwing it to Lynch or Leon.
I respect your opinion even though it's wrong.
Lynch was getting more per run then TJ was per pass
Without the errors.
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Don't think I like this situation
I just agree that it was our best offense today
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I think in general it's time to pass the ball...
However, when the QB play is poor and the bench QB is even worse you kinda have to stick to the run. Lynch played very well, TJ had a bad bad game. I think TJ’s arm is toast still, because there were some passes he usually can make that seemed to just hang a little longer than usual. In a game like this, the speed of NFL defenses will take advantage of every second the ball is in the air.
I agree stufr, this was one of those games when you keep the ball away from the QB unless it’s a pass to the flats or a slant to get a guy some space. Those longer passes (save a few) were just not working with his messed up wing.
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I think Jackson was in a TON of pain, but putting Whitehurst in wouldn't have been worth the drama.
Basically seemed like the focus was on successful plays, not a comeback victory.
Does that imply that "Always Compete" essentially conceded the game
And focused on getting positive offense?
I respect your opinion even though it's wrong.
If that's the case I don't like it
If it’s 31-6 fine but Seattle was in that game until the turnovers occurred.
Dallas is prone to blown leads and Seattle made a feeble effort to come from behind.
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Copying and pasting my comment from the game thread
It seemed like a concerted push to discipline the offensive line.
Tarvaris’s arm looked really off today. I think that pec was getting to him. He barely survived practice, and his arm seemed weaker than usual. By focusing on the run, they could keep Jackson healthy and the line calmed down and focused.
And, it’s a good chance to improve draft position. I know the whole "suck for [insert name]" would be taboo for a coach, but that’s an easy way for a coach to accomplish it without actively throwing the game.
by Matt Erickson on Nov 6, 2011 5:56 PM PST up reply actions
ya u could tell the peck was bothersome
he grabbed at it when he threw a ball more than like 15 yds
by Dominic Matlock on Nov 6, 2011 9:22 PM PST up reply actions
Which in turn shows the complete lack of confidence the coaching staff has in Whitehurst.
If the Seahawks end up losing out (which is entirely possible), I really hope they give Portis a chance to play in the last couple of games.
"You SUCK, Keary Colbert! You should be selling insurance. INSURANCE, Keary!
-Random drunk Hawks fan in Miami after watching Keary Colbert drop another wide-open pass.
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by Wayward Llama on Nov 7, 2011 4:05 AM PST up reply actions
On first look the OL looked improved today in both pass pro and run
TJ just couldn’t get the ball out of his hands. Not sure why he was so slow and indecisive today.
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True, but this was worse than he has been
It was like week one all over again.
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I don't want to make excuses for him but his injury seemed to worsen this past week
And if Whitehurst hadn’t been so astonishingly bad in Cleveland he probably doesn’t even play. Dude was hurting.
I agree with this
You put your best players in the game, and if an injured TJ is better than a healthy CW I guess you stick with him. With CW’s ridiculously bad Cleveland game I think Seattle made the right choice.
It’s unfortunate that neither QB is a good starter, but I don’t think either QB would have been able to get it done against a quick Dallas D.
The Department of Redundancy Department is hiring, maybe I should apply myself.
It's almost like in basketball
When you are so open and have too much time to think about it. When he was living on the edge he seemed sharper and quicker.
by brugg on Nov 6, 2011 4:43 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
If I'm not mistaken, Miller was kept back to block a lot.
Perhaps Danny or Beeks could look into the number of snaps he at least chipped in to put a block on D-Ware before splitting off.
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Did it matter?
TJ was in lock on mode and usually just Rice.
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I think it does matter whether or not he was in "lock on mode."
It was extremely upsetting to see him totally ignore a wide open BMW for a first down and/or touchdown to throw the ball to a well covered Rice…
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I thought BMW kind of quit on that play too though, he ran to the sideline and stared instead of calling for the ball or adjusting to the double team on Rice
He basically ran himself out of TJ’s field of vision. They really haven’t clicked in any case.
QB's should have a better field of vision than what was shown there
They weren’t on opposite sides of the field, maybe there was a lineman in the way or something.
I don’t know why TJ doesn’t have confidence in BMW like he does with Rice. They’ve practiced together enough, and Rice and BMW both play similar styles. Neither run away from everyone, and they make spectacular catches in traffic when necessary.
The Department of Redundancy Department is hiring, maybe I should apply myself.
Yeah, a good QB sees him for sure.
I just think for such a massive guy, Mike Williams has the strange ability to be invisible sometimes.
Well shit we've agreed more than once today
I gotta get outta here haha.
Have a good night Hawks fans, try not to dwell.
Go Hawks!
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Not to me.
I was like “THROW IT TO BMW!!!!!!! HE’S RIGHT FUCKING THERE!!!!”
I can understand if Jackson didn’t see him sitting there open, but even if he was looking at Rice he should have seen that the corner who had dropped back to the deep third to cover Rice wouldn’t be on BMW. This is poor read-and-recognition ability.
Clicking with a WR
isn’t when you can see them at all times, it’s when you know where they will be, so you don’t have to watch them the whole time. QBs need to be focusing on where the defensive players are, especially pre and immediately post snap. All the DBs on that side of the field took off chasing Rice. That was a no brainer play that Tjax completely botched. Maybe the ugliest play of the whole game.
Uh
I don’t think BMW should have to have a Roman Candle sticking out of the top of his helmet when he’s open. That was pretty much a guaranteed TD right there, but as usual, TJax was completely locked onto Rice even though he was triple covered.
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by Wayward Llama on Nov 7, 2011 4:07 AM PST up reply actions
Dunno about guaranteed TD, that depends on awareness/speed of defenders
But a guaranteed first down, yes.
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by Thomas Beekers on Nov 7, 2011 4:09 AM PST up reply actions
I'm not sure why I'm not trying to destroy the universe after this game.
I’m not pissed at all, just strangely calm.
SOMEBODY TELL ME WHAT IS HAPPENING TO MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
(The early timeout at the 1st quarter was weird…)
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by RagingAlot on Nov 6, 2011 4:52 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
First of all, you think that you can destroy the universe
I am the only one with that power, which means you are delusional, but that is kinda the definition of being a fan of a rebuilding team.
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Meet me at the end of the universe one day.
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I've been sitting here for over five minutes and I haven't seen you
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I've been here for 10
saw you walking over in your skinny jeans so I locked myself into a different universe
Watching the Seahawks is like peeing on yourself, everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling it brings
I'm not crazy
but I am
The Department of Redundancy Department is hiring, maybe I should apply myself.
You're turning into RagingSometimes.
Soon you’ll become RagingOnceInaWhile, and then RagingEhScrewIt.
Head of catering.
by jacobstevens on Nov 6, 2011 5:23 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
More like RagingAlot -> ConfusedAlot -> CalmAlot
Alots are a rare breed, you see.
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The annoucers said something about Cable being gone for a while
Now he’s back and the O-line is playing well, if there is a connection hopefully this is how they will always look with Cable around.
I wonder if the defense got together
and decided that if the offense wasn’t going to put up points then they shouldn’t try anymore and thats why we allowed so much yardage
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This game made a lot of our "strengths" look like weaknesses, and our weaknesses look like strengths
Things we thought we were doing well: run D, linebacker play, safety play, TJax developing.
Dallas just showed us that we have a ways to go defending the stretch play, which Murray seemed to run about 75% of the time. I still have confidence in our interior line play, but our DE’s need to up their game against the run, and especially in pass rush. Our linebackers going into this game were something that no one really talked about as a weakness. Murray averaging about 9 a carry and the inability to defend against the TE shows that there is still a lot of room for improvement. Tarvaris had looked much better than I think anyone anticipated, but didn’t play very well today. What concerns me most are those floaters he likes to throw when he’s on the move. Many times I could see what he was trying to do, but he puts too much air under his short touch passes. He also made quite a few back-foot passes, and didn’t look as comfortable in the pocket as he had in past weeks. Safety play still seemed pretty good.
Glaring weaknesses: O-line, run game
The o-line did a solid job today. Lynch was able to run through some holes (!) and Beast Mode continues to do a great job of refusing to go down. Seems to lack any kind of cut at the second level, but is still a good overall back.
Cynic alert
Good news? Bad news:
Now that our fate is sealed, this is usually where we go on a winning streak. And the good news is, er well…
by Snow Hawk on Nov 6, 2011 5:46 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I apologize for that
But I am in Tucson alone, and i needed to emote: for my health.
We could use "The Chuck Wagon"
To throw people through windows and stuff. Him and Cable may get along or not at all.
The Department of Redundancy Department is hiring, maybe I should apply myself.
After I posted that...
I forgot how many Sonic fans are Hawks fans. I apologize for that, but damn I wish Seattle/Portland rivalry to come back.
Soccer’s not my thing and the Blazers vs. Sonics was my favorite of all rivalries, save U of O vs. UW…
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Disheartening
When you’re 7-1 like the 49ers, it’s easy to look at that one loss and comtemplate how close you are to undefeated, but when you’re 2-6 like the Seahawks, it’s a lot easier to wonder if we weren’t lucky to get the two wins that we did. I’m very deflated that the ‘Hawks lost all three of these games. I still don’t believe in the Bengals, but they’re earning it. The Browns are fucking terrible, and as for the Cowboys, I strenuously disagree that they are a good team.
I mean, how many years do they need to ‘underachieve’ before everyone just acknowledges that they’re a mediocre band of clumsy fools? And the ’Hawks lost to them. And Cleveland. And the season is pretty much over with 8 to play. It would be different if this were against good competition; very hard to appreciate any silver linings right now.
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by Azimeir on Nov 6, 2011 6:15 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
The Bengals are good. It's because they have a legitimate quarterback.
…….who we refused to draft.
Doesn't have a ton to do with their quarterback
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by Thomas Beekers on Nov 6, 2011 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
You do like to not like Dalton.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that. But would you rather have Dalton than Carpenter? Just curious.
I would rather have Carpenter.
Because the question isn’t really “Would you rather have Dalton than Carpenter?” in a vacuum, but, “Would you rather have Dalton and Sean Locklear/Stacy Andrews and [insert 2012 1st round pick] instead of Carpenter and 2012 1st round pick?”. Assuming the 2012 1st rounder is a QB, like Barkley, yes, I’d rather have second-year Carpenter protecting Barkley than Dalton and [player] and Andrews/Locklear.
by Matt Erickson on Nov 6, 2011 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
That's a false dichotomy.
I’m not advocating Dalton over Carpenter, but saying drafting Dalton would’ve meant another year of the Andrews/Locklear right side of the line is just an appeal to emotion.
I'll concede the point that the Andrews/Locklear point was a bit of an emotional addendum that distracted from my main point
Which was that (for all reasonable purposes), drafting Dalton would have basically eliminated altogether the option of drafting Luck/Barkley/etc this year.
Furthermore, whether it meant resigning Locklear and/or holding onto Andrews, or replacing them with some other replacement-level tackle, we would have been looking at starting Dalton this year behind a replacement-level RT, and maybe drafting a tackle in the first round of the 2012 draft. Personally, I prefer the idea of Carpenter/Barkley to the idea of Dalton/Martin, for example.
by Matt Erickson on Nov 6, 2011 11:24 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not so sure Carpenter's playing much better than replacement level.
And you’re assuming Barkley’s around next year, which is certainly not a given.
Carpenter may not be playing much better than replacement level now, but he has significant upside.
And yes, that is an assumption that Barkley will be around next year.
But I can say with a large measure of confidence that Dalton will never be an elite QB, or even very close to it. The QBs available in the top 10 of the next draft have (in my opinion) a much greater chance of becoming elite. Selecting Dalton over Carpenter wouldn’t necessarily remove the opportunity of selecting a potentially elite QB prospect (as PC/JS could easily take back to back round 1 QBs), but it would render it redundant and a poor use of resources.
Put most concisely, I am more than happy to pass on a decent QB in favour of investing in a young line to protect a potentially elite QB, even if that means another year of poor to middling QB play.
by Matt Erickson on Nov 7, 2011 12:05 AM PST up reply actions
You don't have to be in the first round to select an elite QB
But the chances are slim (as previous posts have shown).
It always seems the “next year” is when the elites will show up, but I am liking the chances for the 12 draft. Either way it’s going to be exciting to see what the team plans on doing.
The Department of Redundancy Department is hiring, maybe I should apply myself.
I'm not liking it too much at all
It seems rather shallow, especially if Barkley doesn’t declare. Griffin has the talent but would be a risky, long-term pick, though I suppose we can handle that
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by Thomas Beekers on Nov 7, 2011 5:48 AM PST up reply actions
Rather have Carpenter
Dalton is the kind of efficient QB that hamstrings a team unless they have every other piece in place, and even then… I really didn’t like Dalton going into the draft, and he’s done very little in the pros to convince me otherwise.
Also, the real answer is: I would rather have neither. I’m not in love with either pick.
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by Thomas Beekers on Nov 7, 2011 12:09 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Tangential to the other part of this subthread
What would you have preferred at RT? That is an honest question. I hadn’t really thought about this before, but if they had used that pick on Ingram/Smith/Wilkerson/Heyward/etc, where do you think they should have gone with RT? Stick with returning Andrews to his natural position?
by Matt Erickson on Nov 7, 2011 12:13 AM PST up reply actions
Not sure
Maybe pick someone lower (hell, maybe even someone like Gilbert with our second pick). After Clabo there wasn’t much in the FA market, and Locklear may have been the best option. I know, that sounds horrific, but to be honest I didn’t think Locklear was that bad in 2010. He wasn’t good either, but he’d do for a bit. Andrews I dunno, he did look bad, and he was expensive.
We’re a team with a ton of holes, so it’s not easy to shuffle picks in your mind like this. I don’t dislike the Carpenter pick, note, but I’d still rather have had a high-end cornerback, if for no other reason than that is a much more important position.
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by Thomas Beekers on Nov 7, 2011 12:39 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I agree
I’ve never been super thrilled about the Carpenter pick, though I won’t say I either disagree with it or think it was a bad pick. Obviously they wanted him for a reason, and given both the rumour that the Steelers and Packers were considering him with their first round picks, and several pundits were moving into the late-first/early-second in the last couple days, I don’t think it was a huge reach. I think the process was sound, though the execution is a bit more subjective.
In hindsight, I really really wish they could have picked up a DL at 25. There is such a dearth of quality DTs this year. Do I think they’d be better off if they had? Ehh I dunno. They might have a great young pass-rusher, but they’d have a ‘hole’ at RT — or at least no long-term plan there. Swap one hole for another. And I suppose when it comes down to it (especially with this front office), it doesn’t matter how many options there are at a particular position in the draft, all that matters is that there’s that one guy they want.
by Matt Erickson on Nov 7, 2011 12:58 AM PST up reply actions
With Carpenter, they locked onto the talent, but whiffed on the professional
How does your first round pick show up to camp 20+ pounds heavy and can’t run 1 lap? If the guy shows up to play in the NFL, we are further ahead.
by goatweed on Nov 7, 2011 6:38 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Meh, I don't agree with that.
The Bengals have had an extremely east schedule so far.
"You SUCK, Keary Colbert! You should be selling insurance. INSURANCE, Keary!
-Random drunk Hawks fan in Miami after watching Keary Colbert drop another wide-open pass.
It's Great To Be a Florida Gator!
by Wayward Llama on Nov 7, 2011 4:11 AM PST up reply actions
easy*
(thanks for the lack of an edit button as usual SBN)
"You SUCK, Keary Colbert! You should be selling insurance. INSURANCE, Keary!
-Random drunk Hawks fan in Miami after watching Keary Colbert drop another wide-open pass.
It's Great To Be a Florida Gator!
by Wayward Llama on Nov 7, 2011 4:11 AM PST up reply actions
But their schedule has been very Easty too.
They don’t come out west much you know.
70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.
Yep, we refuse to
Or maybe we refuse to draft a low ceiling QB who won’t ever be dominant and we haven’t had the opportunity to draft one of those.
they took turns pissing into the bitch's ocular cavities.
This way to the cafeteria!
by stufr on Nov 7, 2011 4:13 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think they'd have been all over Dalton if he'd still been there with the second pick
And in a more reasonable, not-everyone-reaching-for-QBs world, he would’ve been.
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by Thomas Beekers on Nov 7, 2011 4:20 AM PST up reply actions
As a post from earlier today shows, our opponents thus far are 40 - 26
That is good competition. Yes, we lost horribly to Cleveland with Whitehurst at the helm, but that is not indicative of our entire season.
You mean like missed assignments while the Broncos run wild?
Yup, after today the Curry trade has cost them 2 picks and 1 game.
70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.
haha!
thats so true, as much as i wanted to see him do good, there was a part of me doing a secret fist pump when he over ran Mcgee (sp?) on that Game winning TD
Curry effective??
Dont think so i have watched the last 2-3 raiders games since the trade and all i have seen is missed tackles, jumping on a pile after the play is dead, get faked out on play-action, and dropped sure picks…. Soooo pretty much the same thing i saw in Seattle, nothing has changed.
by Dominic Matlock on Nov 6, 2011 9:25 PM PST up reply actions
Yep, been watching the Raiders as well.
Curry is exactly the same. Bull in a china shop.
"You SUCK, Keary Colbert! You should be selling insurance. INSURANCE, Keary!
-Random drunk Hawks fan in Miami after watching Keary Colbert drop another wide-open pass.
It's Great To Be a Florida Gator!
by Wayward Llama on Nov 7, 2011 4:13 AM PST up reply actions
Willis McGahee
His long run was all Curry’s Fault. Curry inexplicably left a hug gap in the middle to go hit a O lineman for the Broncos. If Curry fills correctly that is either a loss or a 3 yard gain.
Oops reply to Bruiser89171
and huge gap not hug, ha
Curry also got flagged on a late hit out of bounds
Where it was 3rd and long and Tebow went out of bounds after a gain of 1.
So with Tarvaris' arm and pec lookin like its gettin worse
Do we see Portis this year? I really dont wanna see CW. If were gonna lose a lotta games I want it to be interesting. Unless he aint even close to bein ready to play against an NFL defense then Id rather have him in.
Nope.
The Portis narrative will just complicate the QB situation with whomever we draft next year, and this front office has learned its lesson.
Honestly, I don't think the FO gives a damn about "complications."
I think they’re planning to cross that bridge when the come to it (i.e. when they draft a QB).
I agree it’s unlikely we’ll see Portis, but I think that’s because Portis is an even bigger gamble than Jackson. Jackson’s obviously more polished, more experienced, and more talented. There’s about a 5% chance that the QBOTF is on this roster, but if he is on this roster, it’s almost certainly Tarvaris.
In answer to dank’s question about CW vs. Portis if Jackson’s injury gets worse, I assume they will just throw Whitehurst out there again if it’s just a game or two. If Jackson were to go down for the rest of the season, then I could see them rolling out Charlie for a game or two, Charlie stinking it up again, and them saying “fuck it” and going with Portis just for kicks (keeping in mind the team would be presumably about 3-10 at that point).
Just out of curiosity, who does Seattle beat to make that third win?
About the 2011 Seahawks: "And if I laugh at any mortal thing, tis that I may not weep." Byron
Just because the team has lost a few in a row doesn't mean the sky is falling
A lot of teams are worse than the Browns, Bengals, Steelers, Cowboys, etc.

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