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Seahawks Beat Rams, 30-13

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This game sort of reminded me of that one summer a few years ago when I played in an adult kickball league. Our team rule was "you have to be holding a beer at all times," so fundamentals (yeah, I said 'fundamentals' in reference to kickball) went out the window and there were seemingly infinite errors and crackpot "Harry Highschool" type plays and schenanegans. I think it was safe to say we weren't playing up to our potential and we certainly left some points out there on the field. That said, occasional heroics and surprisingly deft plays would save the day and you'd leave the field feeling pretty good about how it went.

Does that sound familiar at all?

The important thing here is that the Seahawks won the game. Seattle overcame an ugly, slow start and sluggish, mistake-riddled offensive attack to wear down the Rams and finally put the game officially away late into the fourth quarter. Despite what appeared to be a somewhat dominant performance by the Seahawks throughout - no offense to the Rams, but I never really felt worried at any point in the game - the score remained fairly close until 0:14 in the 3rd quarter, when Doug Baldwin scored on a 29-yard touchdown to put the Seahawks up 20-6.

Here are some things that happened in this game, and here's what I think of these things:

- Doug Baldwin intercepted a punt. (Ok, he blocked a punt but nearly caught it off Donnie Jones' foot). Michael Robinson scored a touchdown after recovering the ball. That was awesome. Doug Baldwin is dead serious.

- Marshawn Lynch threw a forward pass. Twice. He didn't connect either time. THIS REALLY ANNOYS ME. Mostly because Michael Robinson is the guy that should be throwing that football if any Seattle Seahawks not called a quarterback are going to be throwing the football (not Sidney Rice either). Because Michael Robinson was a quarterback in division one football and I just really want them to use that, for no good reason. The Rams covered both pass attempts well and I'm really hoping the Seahawks don't use that play again.

- Marshawn Lynch rushed for 115 yards on 22 attempts and a touchdown, at 5.0 yards per carry. This is another reason I'm mystified with the fact they're having him throw the football. Twice. Oh well.

Still, Lynch has now rushed for 100+ in five of the last six games and has scored a touchdown in nine straight games, which ties a Seahawks' record with Shaun Alexander.

- The Seahawks run game continued to look good, finishing with 145 yards on 4.5 yards per carry. This was the sixth straight game they ran for over 100 yards, and that hasn't happened since the 1996 season. That's pretty big.

- Offensive balance was the name of the game again - the Hawks threw the ball 32 times and rushed it 32 times. Doug Baldwin led the receivers with 7 catches for 93 yards and a touchdown. He was probably the player of the game. Golden Tate had another strong performance, grabbing a couple of big first downs in key spots. Mike Williams too had a couple of big first down catches.

- Tarvaris Jackson, despite (to my everlasting chagrin) throwing off his back foot or from mid-air nearly every single time, managed to play a pretty efficient game - finishing 21 of 32 for 224 yards and a touchdown. No interceptions and no bonehead plays for the most part as he mitigated some of the shortcomings on the offensive line in pass pro.

Credit goes to Jackson though for getting the job done and not turning the ball over.

- On defense, the Seahawks really didn't let the Rams get into a groove at any point in the game. St. Louis finished with 281 total yards - 114 on the ground (3.7 yards per carry) and 167 through the air. The defensive performance would have been even more impressive if not for a stupid taunting penalty by Richard Sherman that gifted the Rams a first down on the one yard line instead of a fourth down. The Rams may have gone for it and the Seahawks may have stuffed them - they did the next two downs before Steven Jackson finally punched it in on 3rd and goal.

- Brandon Browner continues to be Brandon Browner - he picked off another pass but also had a few penalties in the secondary. I think people are just going to have to get used to this and keep in mind that for the most part this team has done a good job of limiting big plays over the top.

Overall, this was an ugly game. The Rams are completely decimated with injuries and a lack of big-play talent, and their premiere player in Sam Bradford had an awful game. 12 for 29 for 193 yards and a pick. Their other premiere player, Steven Jackson, was held to 63 yards on 20 carries (though he did pick up 60 yards through the air).

I'm glad the Seahawks won but am loath to take too much away from the game, all things considered. The penalties continued to pile up - 9 more tonight - and the inconsistencies show through. Special teams pretty much kept Seatte in this, but still, a win is a win and the more this young team wins, they more they believe. I'll take it.

What were some of your observations? I'm getting this piece up quickly then I'll hit the tape for some more thorough analysis soon.

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Meh.

At least two of the penalties (the first illegal contact on Sherman and the PI on Browner) were awful calls and one of the penalties (the taunting one) is one of the dumbest and most useless “rules” in the NFL. Didn’t seem nearly as bad as usual.

by Coach Owens on Dec 12, 2011 9:45 PM PST reply actions  

Sherman got in his face and a Ram punched his facemask...

should have been a no-call. Also, this quote “I think people are just going to have to get used to this and keep in mind that for the most part this team has done a good job of limiting big plays over the top” is a bit frustrating. Why do we have to accept penalties to cover the deep ball? It seems to me that we have the wrong personnel if this is the case and we should consider finding someone who can do this without hurting the team on a weekly basis.

by Seahawk_Superbowl on Dec 12, 2011 9:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Sarcasmic.

Don't be an idiot. If an idiot would do that, then don't do it. Muahahahaaha back on twitter

by RagingAlot on Dec 12, 2011 9:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Perfect would be nice...

But not what I was implying either. Maybe, Nnamdi or Champ type or someone who can cover, bump and not get penalties….

by Seahawk_Superbowl on Dec 12, 2011 9:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Sherman

Holy shit man, he took over Browner’s roll this game.

by Seahawk_Superbowl on Dec 12, 2011 9:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you meant "role." Sorry, personal pet peeve.

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by Bobby Cink on Dec 12, 2011 10:21 PM PST up reply actions  

But he also took over his roll.

He ate it. It was pumpernickel.

Head of catering.

by jacobstevens on Dec 13, 2011 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

The problem is Nnamdi and Champ are not available to us and we are doing the best with the players that are available to us.

If we have to deal with a few penalties as a trade-off for improving over Kelly Jennings and Jordan Babineaux, then it’s worth it.

by Hopefulmsfan on Dec 13, 2011 12:11 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree with this

Nnamdi and champ were exagerations, I thought that was obvious, but there are corners that can play press coverage effectively without the penalties. Our guys are playing fairly well considering the circumstances. Anything is better than Jennings…

by Seahawk_Superbowl on Dec 13, 2011 3:14 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah, it sure would be nice to have one or two of the best cover corners of this generation.

Sure would make this whole coverage thing a lot more convenient. I’ll go look for one at Wal-Mart. Back in a few.

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by Matt Erickson on Dec 13, 2011 12:32 AM PST up reply actions  

It's a fine example

We have improved at each position. Penalties are worth the upgrade. On to other issues.

by jhmg16 on Dec 12, 2011 10:01 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

"Penalties are worth the upgrade"

This is the point I am trying to make, when are penalties worth it? Many of those penalties continued drives and hurt us, not helped us.

by Seahawk_Superbowl on Dec 12, 2011 10:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, here is just one example.

You have a CB who is short, and fast, but has no confidence and no ball awareness. He consistently lets his man catch the ball and even though he has very good speed, gets burned way more than he should. he is exceptionally bad at covering the slant and digs. he is also a major liability in run defense.
When he gets burnt deep its a TD.

You go out and get a 6-4 corner who is phenominal run stuff ing corner, big and strong to help on screens, he basically takes away the front 15 yards , but does not have elite speed, so some of the faster recievers can get behind him. He does get INTs, lets say 5-6 and another 2 he had but a teammate came and swooped in and knocked them away. When he gets burnt he disrupts the reciever, usually the receiver doesnt catch the ball but sometimes he gets called for it. Ball is at one, where the team is very good with short yardage against the run, and utilizes its height to negate the pass.

by Oliudyen on Dec 13, 2011 12:29 AM PST up reply actions  

I like the idea of big corners

It’s just that those penalties are basically turnovers when committed on 3rd down.

by Seahawk_Superbowl on Dec 13, 2011 2:32 AM PST up reply actions  

lets not use a Jennings argument to backup poor play

Jennings was horrid. There are plenty of better CB’s that can press effectively without penalties and with the size to adjust to quicker receivers.

by Seahawk_Superbowl on Dec 13, 2011 3:17 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Here are some stats to look over.

Comp percentage, 3rd Down conversion, and RZ Scoring are the most important stats a defense must win behind turnovers and big plays (in my opinion).

Comp% – 3rd Down Conversion – RZ Scoring – Penalties per game.

Houston – 50.34 – 32.53 – 48.48 – 5.8 (5.6 in 2010)
Baltimore – 52.87 – 28.73 – 36.36 – 5.9 (5.4 in 2010)
Seattle – 62.65% – 36.75 – 48.93 – 9.2 (6.1 in 2010)

This shows that you can still be a good defense without accepting the penalties. Seattle is behind in every category including record. To me this is because of the ~4 more penalties per game that extend drives, give teams extra chances, and kill momentum. It doesn’t matter how many good plays they make they just wash out the horrible plays that have killed us this year. If we can get the penalties down the 3rd down conversions and RZ percentage should both go down making our defense more effective.

by Seahawk_Superbowl on Dec 12, 2011 10:47 PM PST up reply actions  

No one is saying that you need penalties to be a good defense.

They are saying that with the players on our roster their strengths outweigh the negative of the excess penalties.

by cedarA on Dec 12, 2011 11:08 PM PST up reply actions  

and my argument is they don't

How can giving a team a first down on 3rd be good for your team?

by Seahawk_Superbowl on Dec 12, 2011 11:22 PM PST up reply actions  

It is in no way good

But ultimately the question is would you rather have Atari Bigby in there over Richard Sherman? Does the penalty matter that much to you?
There is a good and bad side to each player, no one is perfect.

by cedarA on Dec 12, 2011 11:50 PM PST up reply actions  

To clarify

We are getting too many Illegal contact calls, calls that extend drives are are not going to result in a first down anyway (or at least potentially anyway). If the receiver is open and going to make the first down/TD anyway, then whatever (Browner…), but many of the penalties are coming before the throw on grabs/holds and contact after 5yrds, stuff that they know is illegal. I have argued before that Browner’s size makes it impossible for him to react (he is 221, 26 more pounds to toss around than Sherman) in a way to not get called on some coverages but that’s another story.

by Seahawk_Superbowl on Dec 12, 2011 11:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Nnamdi's and Champ's are all over free agency, let's go sign a few of each...

Really stock up our roster and practice squad with these perfect elite DB’s…

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by GriffinNW on Dec 13, 2011 12:37 AM PST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Please give us an example of how we can improve the position this season/off season that's realistic.

I’m not trying to be a jerk. I am actually asking where we could have improved over Browner and Sherman given our resources.

by Hopefulmsfan on Dec 13, 2011 3:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Well, this season we are stuck with them

In the off-season there are a ton of possibilities. Claiborne or some other prospect in the draft or Grimes, Finnegan, and Tim Jennings may be available in FA market. http://www.footballsfuture.com/2012/fa/db.html.

Plus, we have guys on our roster that may be better when healthy (WT3/Trufant if resigned). I just hear all this talk about Browner next year and it freaks me out. He does seem to be improving and the penalties on him last night were ticky-tacky and unnecessary. I just think his size is a boon more than a plus and those double routes burnt both our corners with ease. I was praising Sherman last week but he lost his lid last night after that taunting call and played in a violent way after that… I re-watched the game and there were 2-3 more times after that play that I thought he was going to get flagged. Not including the other penalties he got (1-2 were pretty weak also).

by Seahawk_Superbowl on Dec 13, 2011 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

I think what everyone is forgetting,

is that both our corners are basically rookies. I think with a full training camp and a little more experience, there will be fewer penalties.

by tquinlivan on Dec 13, 2011 4:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Browner is playing pretty fucking good.

Good enough to mostly balance out those penalties. They’re both still first year… give them another one and an actual offseason. After Mondays game, Browner is the #2 rated CB via Advanced NFL stats. Only Revis is ahead of him… I’ll stomach those penalties for the otherwise stellar play

by twocolorcrayon on Dec 13, 2011 9:49 AM PST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Browner DOES have the most passes defended in the league.

Granted, it’s probably more of a product of teams throwing at him more, but he’s still doing a good job of getting his hands in there.

I'm kind of a big deal...

by Benny Boy on Dec 13, 2011 9:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Even if the taunting was a good call

Which I will never agree with, but whatever. The PI and illegal contact were willfully stupid. I hope they send that video to the NFL to review.

And that’s after having the flag picked on Butler running into the end zone getting equal amounts of contact (that is to say, very little) and getting knocked down the legs getting tangled. To come back 2 plays later and make that PI call is basically Bill Leavy trying to put his something into Seahawks fans’ mouths.

by Kingdomer on Dec 12, 2011 9:55 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

The whole time on these calls that could have gone either way

I’m just thinking, “Does it have to be Bill Leavy tonight? It couldn’t be some other guy? Really, NFL? Really?”

by fiftyone on Dec 12, 2011 10:27 PM PST up reply actions  

It seemed to me

that when we simply calmed down and stopped with all the cute plays we took over complete control of the game.

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by ironheart777 on Dec 12, 2011 9:45 PM PST reply actions  

Well, literally, we are playing for the playoffs.

It just going to take some help from the Lions and/or the Falcons? After a Seahawk loss or a couple Lion wins we won’t be playing for the playoffs.

by Seahawk_Superbowl on Dec 12, 2011 9:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I can't remember a game where we used so many damn trick plays. (HB throw, reversal in the kickoff, another reversal on one offensive play)

It’s as if we were trolling the Rams, or we were just having so much fun.

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by RagingAlot on Dec 12, 2011 9:48 PM PST reply actions  

Honestly, I don't know why teams don't do more of it.

Seriously. If you’re trailing by a score (or two), why not put your opponents on their heels with a fake punt or end-around or whatnot?

Of course, the obvious answer is “because then the defense will know it’s coming” – but they’d have to know when, and while they’re busy compensating for the tricks you can have better results on your normal plays. I still don’t know why we didn’t just try a fake FG at the end of the Falcons game instead of the 61-yd flail we ended up doing. Both would essentially have been hail marys.

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by Hmph on Dec 12, 2011 10:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Steve Raible

was frickin jacked up all game,

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by ironheart777 on Dec 12, 2011 9:53 PM PST reply actions  

Don't back down Sarge!

It matters how beat up the Rams were, because of what our prospects are for the remaining games. It’s a very meaningful statement to point out the Rams’ problems this year.

Head of catering.

by jacobstevens on Dec 13, 2011 10:54 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Can you believe

That the Rams are playing without the corners they started the season with?! Oh MY! There’s no one more than one team on this field is in that situation.

by cmcdougall on Dec 12, 2011 10:14 PM PST up reply actions  

That was all Tats, though

And Babs

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Dec 12, 2011 10:30 PM PST up reply actions  

And him:

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by EequalsMc2 on Dec 12, 2011 10:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Last play, wasn't it?

The INT?

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Dec 12, 2011 10:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Peter Hunter

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by EequalsMc2 on Dec 12, 2011 10:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I remember his name and who he was

I think I asked about him before the season started this year, I wondered where he was

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Dec 13, 2011 5:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Seattle didn't give a damn about the Rams

A reversal on the kickoff, TWO halfback passes, an end-around with Tate, about 25 bubble screens, they did what they wanted because Seattle isn’t bad enough to lose to the Rams even if they put in Josh Portis.

Seattle should’ve had 4 interceptions tonight. Kam dropped two, KJ dropped one.

Browner is 1 interception away from Pro Bowl consideration. Think about that.

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by SSreporters on Dec 12, 2011 10:15 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Last statement seems odd

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Dec 12, 2011 10:16 PM PST up reply actions  

He gets to level up.

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by Lo Pann on Dec 12, 2011 10:18 PM PST up reply actions   3 recs

Does he double in size like when Mario eats a mushroom?

"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."

by shams on Dec 12, 2011 10:19 PM PST up reply actions  

He gets a Tanooki suit.

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by Lo Pann on Dec 12, 2011 10:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Wait, he's not like one of those pokemon that you have to trade to get them to evolve, right?

That’s suck major ass.

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Dec 12, 2011 10:24 PM PST up reply actions  

*that'd

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Dec 12, 2011 10:25 PM PST up reply actions  

It looked like Bevell was playing Madden through the first half.

I was expecting fake punts on 4th downs.

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by Lo Pann on Dec 12, 2011 10:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I have no idea why Robinson doesn't throw more

I wrote arguably the greatest fanpost of all-time detailing how fantastic he is and how he’s our QBOTF.

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by SSreporters on Dec 12, 2011 10:19 PM PST up reply actions  

It felt like deliberate baiting for the remaining games.

I don’t know if coaches truly, possibly could do such things. Could they have met this week, with the extra days, pointed out they may have a hard time playing well with the 3rd lineman in Okung out?

Could they have said, we need trickeration. We’ll need reps to get it right. Let’s roll them out this week, there’s less risk, we’ll get better, we’ll seed all remaining opponents’ preparation for us with additional considerations.

But that ruins the element of surprise, coach!

Winfreva, baby.

OK let’s do it!

Something like that.

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by jacobstevens on Dec 13, 2011 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

So....about week 15

If SEA def. CHI

Root for Oakland. I know you can do it, Curry.

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by SSreporters on Dec 12, 2011 10:19 PM PST reply actions  

It's a home game for 'em, let's see what goes down

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Dec 12, 2011 10:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Basically we're rooting for Green Bay at the same time

As we don’t want them resting starters and rolling over unless Detroit loses both San Diego and Oakland.

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by SSreporters on Dec 12, 2011 10:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Even if it was just twice, yeah, both were on 3rd down, right?

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Dec 12, 2011 10:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Honestly, I think Baldwin's emergance in the slot really slowed BMW down.

Me thinks their roles should be reversed.

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by EequalsMc2 on Dec 12, 2011 10:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Doug Farrar

said he was going to do a piece on him this week.

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Dec 12, 2011 10:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Farrar should say that every week, maybe it lit a fire.

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by shams on Dec 12, 2011 10:30 PM PST up reply actions  

"This week, Imma do two pieces on you!"

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Dec 12, 2011 10:31 PM PST up reply actions  

That is just fucking awesome.

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by Lo Pann on Dec 12, 2011 10:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I counted 7 missed tackles

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by EequalsMc2 on Dec 12, 2011 10:49 PM PST up reply actions  

What a waterbug!

"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."

by shams on Dec 12, 2011 11:11 PM PST up reply actions  

left stick right stick

then “B” , damn how i miss those madden days.

I think it would be cool if instead of saying "Beast mode" you could say "you've been Lynched"

by Bruiser89171 on Dec 12, 2011 11:11 PM PST up reply actions  

That looks fake! Holy shit.

Went to the game so I didn’t get to see a lot of these angles. These gifs are jacking me up!

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by GriffinNW on Dec 13, 2011 12:46 AM PST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Even the MNF guys were drooling about this play.

Got to like it when your RB can make an 11yd run for a first down more exciting than his TD run in the same game. He is unbelievable!

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by bmxnw on Dec 13, 2011 12:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Here is the link for the video...

12 yards of whoopass

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by bmxnw on Dec 13, 2011 12:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Seahawks making me watch a 30sec commercial for a 27 sec video

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Dec 13, 2011 5:42 PM PST up reply actions  

This just looks like absolute CHAOS...

And it’s beautiful.

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by Azimeir on Dec 13, 2011 7:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Denver has a -33 point differential and they're 8-5

Seattle has a -30 point differential and are 6-7.

Philly has a +5 point differential and are 5-8.

How about that.

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by SSreporters on Dec 12, 2011 10:51 PM PST reply actions  

Denver defense is nasty...

And they have a that one guy. They are losing turnovers per game too at 0.3 on average, almost even, but still. Losing turnovers and scoring and still being able to win is pretty amazing. I think those stats might be a bit misleading as they have been a different team after benching Orton. I vaguely remember a few blowouts early on.

by Seahawk_Superbowl on Dec 12, 2011 10:56 PM PST up reply actions  

-13 at 6-7 is actually pretty close to neutral.

I know your post was more about the Eagles crazy stats but I like that it’s not like last year for the hawks where they were 7-9 but the point differential was immense.

by Hopefulmsfan on Dec 13, 2011 12:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Haha!

They might be better than the Rams corners!

by apsve on Dec 13, 2011 12:03 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

It was pretty neat

of him to compliment Kam and Earl like he did.

by Stagerman on Dec 12, 2011 11:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I hate ESPN sometimes,

There isn’t a link in the list of links to the Seahawks victory in the upper right hand corner and it isn’t the main picture on the front page. Every other MNF victor gets a front page pic and/or a link in the list of links…

Eternally looking forward to someone making a Seahawks song based off of Lil' Jon's "Shots" song named "Hawks!"

by Bobby Cink on Dec 12, 2011 10:58 PM PST reply actions  

lol what an idiot

“I realize Seattle has won 12 of the last 13 against these guys but…..I GOT A FEELING!”

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by RolloTomasi on Dec 13, 2011 7:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Jarriel King got in the game

It would be nice if we could get a little breakdown on how he did while he was in there. I think Beast Mode’s TD came when he was in the game.

by William Bryan on Dec 12, 2011 11:41 PM PST reply actions  

Just a thought,

But if the Seahawks draft Robert Griffin, that would mean they could have the RG3 to GT3

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by Trenchtown on Dec 12, 2011 11:47 PM PST reply actions  

If this joke has already been made a thousand times already tonight, I'm sorry...

but Beastmode was 0/2 passing with 115 yards rushing an a TD? We got ourselves a regular Tebow here, har har har…

by mkries on Dec 12, 2011 11:59 PM PST reply actions  

Browner and Sherman

Love their play, but their reputation precedes them. Anything even close to holding/illegal contact/pass interference is going to be flagged with them. Very annoying. A couple of those penalties were very weak.

by Steeeve on Dec 13, 2011 5:56 AM PST reply actions  

Agreed.

I don’t at all get why the NFL officials even consider a players “reputation” when officiating a game. But it’s pretty clear that they do. Tackle Brady on a late slide, and you get a 15 yard penalty. And if you want a free 1st down, just reach out and touch Browner or Sherman, and the refs will give you one, because any contact is ALWAYS the fault of the Seahawks CB’s. You know, because they are big. They MUST be causing the contact.

by Highwatermark on Dec 13, 2011 7:34 AM PST up reply actions  

This is, to some degree, unavoidable

a common saying in social-psychology is “first we define, then we see.”

Football is probably the most difficult game to officiate. You have 22 players in motion, and unlike futbol, they’re supposed to be in contact. It’s really not possible to “see” violations then whistle them. That’s practically impossible. Officials must use heuristics (e.g., Tackle’s hands on the outside of the jersey/pads = holding; inside =/= holding). Even if unconscious, that’s going to involve some consideration of reputation.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Dec 13, 2011 7:41 AM PST up reply actions  

I bet next year they get fewer flags...

In the NFL the illegal contact penalties have a HUGE reputation component; not unlike fouls in the NBA. Add to that, the NFL has made it crystal clear that officials should favor offense. (Has anyone else noticed what seems like a marked decline in offensive holding flags?) So, illegal contact and interference are called hella tightly across the board — and EXTRA tight on rookies. Sherman and Browner don’t have a rep… yet. That is quickly changing. I bet next year officials will start to see some of their play as “physical” rather than illegal.

If you’re good enough to stick around, and these two clearly are: a) you mature into having better technique and b) officials let you get away with more.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Dec 13, 2011 7:36 AM PST up reply actions  

I look at the remaining schedule

and still believe that Seattle could go 8 – 8 for the year which is improvement. As badly as this year began, they could wind up at .500 with their best record in years. The bad thing about that is that they are going to have to trade quite a bit to move up enough in the draft to get the QBOTF.

Unless someone wants to explain to me how T-Jack is that QB?

by Michael Harp on Dec 13, 2011 7:30 AM PST reply actions  

Or...

another possibility that could be lingering is that some other decent QB (current starter or backup) comes loose.

In other words, one of the other QB suitors could find one outside the draft and then be amenable to trading down. Suppose Peyton Manning comes available. He’s not such a good fit in Seattle, but what about Miami? What about Washington?

Perhaps JS is a believer in Matt Flynn and cuts a deal with GB.
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My one quibble with the “8-8 does us no good” logic is that all 8-8 teams are not created equal. Last year’s 7-win team had a record that overstated their talent. This year, a 7- or even 8-win season might understate this team’s upside. The severity of our need for a QB upgrade is not as great as it was a year ago. We clearly need an upgrade, but now I don’t feel like all is lost if it’s not Barkley or RG3.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Dec 13, 2011 7:51 AM PST up reply actions  

It's no longer out of the question for me that Jackson could be the answer for a while.

I doubt many agree with me. I think as it stands right now, they could not rightly pass on a legitimate QB prospect in the draft, and I think they would not.

But I think they could very conceivably not make a committal move at the position in the draft if the circumstance presents itself. The circumstance being, a legitimate prospect in the 1st round is not available at their slot. They don’t have to trade up. They don’t have to take a QB. They could take another developmental project, a reclamation project through “the other two drafts,” and they could just draft from the top of their board as the draft unfolds.

The natural comparison that follows, is if they don’t take a QB, what position would they take in the 1st round that could justify not taking a QB (which is tantamount to passing)? But I think the point is that it’s not about positional need, it’s about the quality of prospects available to them when they pick.

Trading up for a QB is not out of the question by any means. It’s too early to have a very substantial take either way on what they should do about QB.

Head of catering.

by jacobstevens on Dec 13, 2011 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

T-Jack seems to be getting better...

hate to say it cuz i would like to draft a QB in the draft, but the last 2 games hes been pretty good. although i dont agree with the balanced playcalling last night. I think he can be good as the game manager type QB with Marshawn runnin the show. If he keeps up consistently, which he is shown in the past that he probably wont, BUT IF he does then thats awesome.

by RunMarshawnRun on Dec 13, 2011 9:16 AM PST reply actions  

It's about "Win Forever."

Lynch can run the show but he can’t run the show forever. We need the balanced playcalling to make Lynch last.
(This post is assuming that you “don’t agree with the balanced playcalling last night” in that you want Lynch to run more.)

Eternally looking forward to someone making a Seahawks song based off of Lil' Jon's "Shots" song named "Hawks!"

by Bobby Cink on Dec 13, 2011 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

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