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Seahawks Beat Rams: Thoughts and Observations from Another Under-the-Lights Win

Though I didn't post a preview for last night's game, I did write some pre-game thoughts on what I thought this game meant. After attending a jacked-up Clink on Monday night I re-read the following when sitting down to write this recap. I determined that even though it was written before the game, it clearly and concisely (as you may know, concise can sometimes be a problem for me) got to the point, even after the fact:

They showed up under the lights last week, and this opportunity isn't much different. Carroll has been putting an extra emphasis on continuing to play hard, sticking with it, doing things better and longer than the opponent. These are things they want to do on a game-to-game basis in the present, but this current four-game stretch is also a lesson for the future.

Heading into the Dallas game, the emphasis was on getting the running game going so it could affect their style of play in a positive way later in the season. We've seen changes as a result. The bigger-picture lesson that draws from this upcoming stretch will focus on how they finished; the information the team absorbed from the smaller examples earlier this year, both good and bad, will be tested. If they can finish the second half of the season strong, they will have a semblance of how to win, consistently.

Momentum into a business-as-usual offseason is something this coaching staff wants for this young team, understanding finishing strong and further learning their "identity" for the future is paramount. Without a win tonight, the final quarter will feel hollow; more of the coulda-shoulda feeling felt after the Redskins loss, a sour taste that is yet to really go away. The Seahawks need to win tonight, and they need to win big.

The 30-13 win wasn't the big win I was hoping for, as the 31-14 victory against the Eagles had more of a big win feeling for me. This game started with an odd mix of razzle-dazzle and ugly, but 10 points in the first quarter was a solid enough start. The fact that the Seahawks needed almost three full quarters to score an offensive touchdown kept this game from getting that big-win feeling. Special teams and defense held it together until the offense - with "new" starters at two spots on the offensive line - finally got it going. The Seahakws hung tough, from ahead. Not pretty it was, but it's a W under win or go home circumstances.

This was the last of three in a row at home, this game coming after a mini-bye, just one game removed from a momentum killer of sorts. Seattle was supposed to win this game. If anything, I think it's a sign this young team is becoming more apt at winning the games they should win and are proving to be on the upswing. They're up to the task of searching for an identity, playing a results-driven game for more than just results, when the results may not even matter.

In the post-game presser Carroll said his team is "on track to find ourselves," but also added he simply hopes they can keep playing this style, instead of trying to do too much, and he is anxious to see a good practice on Wednesday. I'm anxious to see how this team responds to the short week, heading on the road for an early kickoff. Sitting at 7-7 and hosting the 49ers would put them in position to finish the home schedule in a big way. This next week should be interesting. Observations from the game are after the jump.

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For no rhyme or reason, I walked away from this one in stream-of-consciousness mode. To protect against a complete ramble on, this post will be in "short-thought" form. If you're looking for structure; thoughts are divided by offense, defense, miscellaneous.

Offense

--Though Tarvaris Jackson had another efficient day, I thought this performance left something to be desired. He appeared more settled in the second half, and I'm curious to watch this one again on TV. My initial impression is that Jackson could have wowed in this game and he didn't. Then again, 65-plus percent and zero interceptions - which could have been one, plus there was the botched handoff - is a step forward from the "efficient" games earlier in the year. The final three games are huge for Jackson, as the OBOTF debate will surely start heating up even more.

--Early in this game I followed Zach Miller when out in route more often than normal (I don't know why). The following sequence intrigued me; Miller was wide open coming across the field on the incomplete deep ball to Golden Tate in the first quarter, and then Jackson didn't look towards an open Miller one or two more times in the following possessions. The Seahawks started their next drive (at 6:05 in the second) with the pass over the middle to Miller that was almost intercepted, and then completed the short pass to him. It was almost like the coaches said "throw Miller the ball!!"

--I think Jackson really likes Golden Tate. It looks like Jackson is willing to anticipate with Tate much more so than any of the other 2010 ‘Hawks receivers. I was actually pretty shocked when Jackson laid that ball out for Tate on the 3rd down pass early in the game, when Jackson had to trust Tate would stop and work back to the ball. Jackson did something similar last week with Tate on the 3rd and 4, sideline throw, catch and run. I'm intrigued to see if this improving rapport becomes more of a factor the final three games.

--The 12 yard run early in the third, where Lynch broke what seemed like half a dozen tackles, was announced by the PA as "12 beastmode yards" and a Seahawks' first down! It was my favorite moment of the game.

--Marshawn Lynch is lighting up this stadium on a game-to-game basis. He makes the entire building care more. If he really is an example of the mentality that Pete is building for this football team, as Carroll's previously talked about Lynch embodying their desired mindset; hell yes. Bring more of it to Seattle, please.

--It felt like they used more offset-I backfields than "normal" in this game.

--I moved to the bottom of the 300 level for the final offensive possession and was struck by Jarriel King being in the game. First of all, he's big (listed at 6'5"). And secondly, it looked like he was leading the way on two plays, including the touchdown run. Carroll said post game that Gallery was dinged up, so good to see King getting out there along with some good results. However, it looked like he pulled up limping. Uh oh...

--Cameron Morrah stood out as a receiver last year. This year his blocking looks improved; is it that Tom Cable influence?

--The Lynch forward pass was pretty sloppy...twice. Why not have Robinson, or even Leon, try the second one if they really had to try again? They both happened in the closest quarter of the field to me and the first one just didn't look like a running play. I won't pretend to know what triggered my sentiments, but I almost immediately thought pass. Similar to Danny, I thought this was a bit peculiar.

--I was nearly positive the Seahawks would bust out a running play with a receiver in this game to mix it up (because of the familiarity these teams have with each other, given the matchup a few weeks ago) and my first choice was with Golden Tate. Though, given all of the other unorthodox calls on the evening, I'm not giving myself much credit for my pre-game hopes. Also, I'll admit I was looking for a play out of a similar set-up to this (from 2010, Week 11)...

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Harvin runs inside right tackle for the first down, but it should have gone for only two or three. The hole quickly closed and Harvin did the work.

Anyway, I was still really happy to see Golden running with the ball, even if it was a simple ol' end around.

Defense

--Take a look at these screen shots:

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Do the 5-2, 3-4 and six man-base personnel fronts look familiar? Those are plays from recent weeks and the Seahawks dug even farther into the defensive formation playbook for this game, something I'm looking forward to studying this week. Are the days of being primarily a hybrid, 4-3 defense behind us? Is this actually headed somewhere, or is Seattle simply expanding their defensive scheme?

--K.J. Wright had eight tackles, with three for loss and a sack, not to mention a pass defense that should have been a pick. He looked especially physical and his tackles on Jackson early in the game were impressive stuff for a rookie. I had Wright smack-dab in the middle of the 4th round on my Seahawks draft board last April. Given his value and improving play, he's definitely in the running for my favorite pick of the 2011 draft.

--Brandon Mebane has been hustling all over the field in recent weeks; chasing the play downfield, getting in passing lanes and being an undersized beast. He's playing hard and I simply want to acknowledge it. I especially like him at the nose.

--The 50-yard Steven Jackson screen and 26-yard Lance Kendricks catch were both slow developing plays out of the backside, where Seattle seemed to flow too strongly towards the fake. Watching both plays felt like watching old Seahawks' football.

--An interception, five passes defended, a few backbreaking penalties and overly physical play by our corners; sounds about right. The Sherman taunting penalty bugged me. I like him, but he's becoming borderline too cocky, given his rookie status, for my taste. I'm curious as to if these penalties will vanish over the final three games, or if this is something we'll have to live with to finish the season; and hope it doesn't stay a problem next year.

--One knock against Browner; he's appeared a bit frantic and stumbly defending the edge in the open field, when trying to get to running backs, in the past couple of games. Memory says the Jackson screen is the play that struck me this week...

--...but the play was also another example that Earl Thomas is ridiculously fast. It looked like he ran in front of that play, not chased it down, and saved the touchdown. Like...wow.

--Brandon Lloyd just finds ways to get open. It's actually pretty sick how he manages to create separation at the blink of an eye. He exploited Sherman's developing habit of biting on the out and up, and Lloyd got Browner completely flat-footed and stuck - something Browner sometimes does when defending the deep ball - with a hesitation move on that long pass play.

--Atari Bigby's second down blitz on the goal line was his third (I think) in that situation, this year. I remember all of them to have ended successfully, one way or another. In real-time I actually thought this call was coming. At the same time, I'd say this is becoming a tendency. Other teams should begin to notice.

Miscellaneous

--Anthony Hargrove has a celebration/pump up tactic where he flaps up-and-down in place, or he'll even do it when running around after a big play. During the TV timeout when the Rams had 3rd and goal on the 11, Hargrove flapped for what seemed like 20-30 seconds. The following play was one of the loudest moments of the year, in my opinion.

--The reputation of Seattle being soft I think is starting to become a thing of the past. Yes, they need to play some stiff competition and stay up from a legitimate punch to the mouth - I'd consider the Redskins loss a punch to the mouth knockdown - before I think we can say their mentality has taken a step up. They're one of the two or three youngest teams in the NFL and are still learning their swagger, and it doesn't always come out at the right time. That said, this team plays with some serious stones.

--Doug Baldwin's special teams trifecta in the first quarter - the reverse on the opening kickoff, the downed punt inside the 10 and then the punt block that sprung the touchdown - was awesome. Oh, he's now got nine catches of 20 yards or more on third down for the year; a third down and special teams machine? Sounds like a team player.

--I'm just going to put this out there; what would our year be like without Dougie-Fresh? Seriously, could he be considered irreplaceable for this 2011 Seahawks team? John Schneider deserves continued props on this one. And I'm beginning to think they may have to trade/release one of their receivers; who is the odd man out?

--One more on Dougie. The common comparison for Baldwin is to Bobby Engram, maybe because of the uniform and usage. After seeing Lloyd in person, I think Baldwin has a little bit of the good-Lloyd in him.

--I had a few-minute conversation with myself over weekend regarding if Seattle would start this game with an offensive trick play, and I thought it was definitely possible. That opening kickoff reverse was trickier than I expected. Personally, I like that they tried to carry the momentum of the 4th and seven pass to Miller to close out the Eagles right into this game. The Monday night lights probably didn't hurt, either.

--Seattle is 4-0 in their last four "primetime" home games. I'll be enjoying that nugget this week.

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Good game

I ‘m happy with the toughness the team is showing as well. I hated being considered the soft Seahawks. Now teams get punched in the mouth and our defense is pretty nasty. I like what Pete is building in Seattle. Long shot to make the playoffs, but if a window is still open, I still have faith! Let’s go Seahawks!

I also have conversations with myself from time to time.

by datboyeddiep on Dec 13, 2011 2:38 PM PST reply actions  

T Jax doesn't make mistakes

The last few games Jackson has not been making mistakes. He has been a very good game manager, and his passing is definitely improving. I like Jackson, I still think we need another QB, but it’s not as dire as I felt it was before. I could see us winning with this guy at QB, as long as we D up and run with Beast mode.

One knock I have on T Jax is, he takes too many sacks. He seems like he is trying not to make mistakes and even when he is outside the tackles, he doesn’t throw the ball away. I’d still rather have a sack instead of an interception but sometimes those sacks kill drives.

by datboyeddiep on Dec 13, 2011 2:41 PM PST reply actions  

He actually got lucky that he wasn't picked off at least once.

I’m still not impressed. But he definitely has been improving. Given that the Seahawks don’t appear to be in the running for any elite college QB’s in the draft this is a very good thing. Might have to start him again next season. He could definitely stand to throw the ball away a little bit more instead of holding on to it and taking the sack. He stepped forward in the pocket too which was really nice.

by grips on Dec 13, 2011 6:23 PM PST up reply actions  

So he's forced to look elsewhere, you mean?

Interesting. I didn’t get the sense he was leaning on Rice much at all. You could be right.

"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."

by shams on Dec 13, 2011 10:56 PM PST up reply actions  

It may just be a short-term thing.

It’s still entirely possible that he chooses a new favorite some time in the next few weeks.

by bewrong on Dec 14, 2011 5:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Great assessment

I think the same thing. He kept trying to force things to Rice when others were open.

by datboyeddiep on Dec 14, 2011 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

My biggest problem with Jackson

Is his awareness. He just simply doesn’t have it. He is oblivious to pressure closing in around him and being at the game yesterday, I saw that he is oft oblivious to wide open receivers. I’m no football analysis guru, but when I’m seeing a wide open receiver/throwing lane (like Miller, as mentioned in the article) it is very frustrating to watch. Maybe I got used to watching Hasselbeck way too much, but I expect a QB to be smarter than what Jackson shows to be. Say what you want about Matt’s last couple of seasons, he’s still one of the smarter QB’s in the league.

by Greg Ballew on Dec 13, 2011 6:28 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Oh Matt is the man

He was destroyed by our lack of offensive lineman.

by datboyeddiep on Dec 14, 2011 10:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Awareness is not a binary attribute.

And to say Tarvaris doesn’t have awareness is blind to the fact that his performance quality as a quarterback has been incredibly fluid this season, sometimes with setbacks, but mostly better now than at the beginning of the season.

You don’t have awareness or not. It is a spectrum quality, and can change over time. I think at the beginning of the season, Tarvaris had no pocket awareness because he had 2 seconds before 3 guys were crushing him. As OL play has improved and become coordinated in weeks 5-8, Tarvaris still looked pretty lost in the pocket with regards to pressure. Even against the ‘skins, especially at the end, he was not effective. But his pocket awareness seems to be improving, and in fact I think Tarvaris is even “learning:.” And he is making smarter plays. He is stepping up into the pocket more often, he is somewhat more often leaving the pocket at an appropriate time and in the right direction. He does hold onto the ball too long sometimes and takes sacks he shouldn’t, but I see him taking those sacks less often. He is also turning some of those “holds the ball to long” complaints into positive results by extending the length of the play and allowing a receiver to get open. I think he is developing a “feel” for the pocket, the OL, the offense, and the receivers – and that means he is developing awareness. Maybe just not at a rate that is acceptable for you.

As a comparison, when I was studying anatomy in school, it would often take me a long time to retrieve the name of a body part I was questioned about it. After using the knowledge for several years, the vocabulary and understanding are second nature. I think that Tarvaris is getting the chance from Carroll to go through this process.

At first, I think Jackson was instructed to only throw the ball if a receiver was completely open, which they often weren’t in the first few weeks. He was supposed to practice progressions without the pressure of squeezing a ball into a tight space. Then as he developed his knowledge of progressions and receivers started to get open a bit more, the no huddle became successful and was utilized for a few games to let Tarvaris practice throwing the ball on quick reads where there was no pocket pressure. Last few weeks as the OL continues to improve, Pete is going back to a more traditional pocket based west coast system and only this week against the Rams did we see Tarvaris often rolling out of the pocket and extending plays. It looks like a learning/teaching pattern to me, and I think as we see Tarvaris get better at individual skills, we will see him being able to apply them more quickly, and sometimes even instinctually.

Do I think he is on his way to being a top 5 QB? That would take quite a bit of development, and I don’t know if you can assess that kind of potential with as little knowledge as we have about him. Do I think he can develop into a 10-15 ranked QB? Yes, because in this weird year with all the OL troubles, he has gone from shudderingly bad to watch to just short of average… And I think we can win playoff games with him as QB. Hell, the Giants, Ravens, and Steelers have each won Superbowls in the last 11 years with below average QB performance.

Smashmouth is the new sexy!

by pqlqi on Dec 14, 2011 3:20 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

He's not making mistakes because he doesn't like to take chances

Or, the coaches tell him not to make the tight throws. When the pressure is on he either freezes and takes a sack or throws it away.

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by SSreporters on Dec 13, 2011 8:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Seattle

Needs to draft a QBOTF. T Jax has played better but he’s not “the guy”. Seattle needs better play at that position in order to be a elite team.

by Redzone59 on Dec 13, 2011 3:37 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Hargrove's Hawk squat

The place went crazy as he was doing that. Many of the kids in my section couldn’t stop imitating that the rest of the night.
What do you think about kicking the opening kickoff instead of electing to receive while at home? It seems to me the stadium is out of it’s mind to begin the game and then everyone has to try and settle down as the offense comes on the field. Furthermore, there is one guaranteed quiet moment at the clink; the start of the second half. Many of the fans are still taking a piss, buying more beer or still grabbing food when the second half begins. In my opinion the Hawks should always defer the opening kickoff when at home.

by brugg on Dec 13, 2011 4:56 PM PST via mobile reply actions   3 recs

Very Cool Moment

Watching the Hawk Squat. He did it so slow, I almost thought they were going to get penalized for it.

Live work and breathe like an optimist.

by JRock419 on Dec 13, 2011 6:01 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Totally agree and very valid points. I wish they would ALWAYS defer when given the opportunity.

Makes the opening of the 2nd half more interesting to watch for fans and there’s a good chance the game will still be very close.

by grips on Dec 13, 2011 6:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not gonna lie

Whether the Seahawks are doing good or bad, I always cheer for them when I’m at the game. I don’t stop shouting. Out of all the games I’ve been to, out of all the times I’ve yelled, Hargrove’s ‘Hawk Squat got me even louder. That was definitely the loudest and most pumped I’ve ever been at a Seahawks game!

by Greg Ballew on Dec 13, 2011 6:31 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

A lot of guys try to pump up the crowd by doing different things but that was one of the coolest.

It seemed like he really enjoyed being a Hawk and the fans really seemed to go along with it. Everyone was screaming almost that entire timeout. Awesome moment!

by KoolAidMan1 on Dec 13, 2011 9:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I have thought about the kickoff dilemma a bit this season too

because too often the seats aren’t full to start the second half. When on defense, that matters for us. I think usually it’s not the worst idea to get the ball to start the second. Plus, as you said, everyone is jacked up to begin anyway. Good time to get loud.

by Charlie Todaro on Dec 13, 2011 10:21 PM PST up reply actions  

This used to bother me a lot

But coaches like having more possessions in the first half, so whaddaya gonna do. Either way, you were right in the post. When Hargrove got his juju going, the 12th Man was as loud as I’ve heard it since the Rams game in Week 17 last year.

by fiftyone on Dec 13, 2011 10:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed.

That’s the loudest I’ve heard the stadium in a while. I was surprised I could scream louder than I was.

by Hopefulmsfan on Dec 14, 2011 12:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh and my feeling was they elected to receive to start the game.

Because they had that lateral on the kick off return ready to go.

by Hopefulmsfan on Dec 14, 2011 12:57 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

nice point

Smashmouth is the new sexy!

by pqlqi on Dec 14, 2011 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

The 50-yard S. Jackson screen pass...

…was, I thought, a terrible defensive call (I hate blitzing on 3rd and forever; the ’Hawks sent 6 and had Clemons kind of doing some sort of contain thing, I guess?) meeting with a smart offensive call (one of the few for the Rams). I was really scared Jackson was going to the house on that one.

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- Chuck Knox

by Azimeir on Dec 13, 2011 5:28 PM PST reply actions  

It was bad timing.

Rams had the right play call (to the right side of the field) already in place. Our blitz may have been ill advised, but the result was mostly bad luck.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 13, 2011 7:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, too many sent, I agree.

Roy Lewis’ blitz is what made it so big, but Hawthorne should’ve come over to the vacated space, keying Jackson a bit. Looks like no one took Jackson, probably an assignment breakdown by somebody, but possibly a play-calling oversight since the coaches really seemed to be certain from the get-go that STL really wouldn’t put up much of a fight.

Head of catering.

by jacobstevens on Dec 14, 2011 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I am liking the 3-4/5-2 scheme's

Our interior lineman seem to be more effective in this setup as you pointed out with Mebane and KJ is a good blitzer. I also like that we can be effective in multiple 7-8 man fronts to keep them figuring out a blocking scheme.

by Seahawk_Superbowl on Dec 13, 2011 6:18 PM PST reply actions  

Play variation is interesting.

Carroll is often too smart for his own good, but I really like that he’s improving the D by getting someone new involved each week. It started with a lot of ET blitzes, then Cam, then Hill, now Bigby and KJ Wright. I get the feeling the Seahawks are going to become predictable in their unpredictability as the pool of unused blitzers becomes smaller and smaller.

by Groundhog on Dec 13, 2011 10:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Doubt it. Because you can show a look that coordinators have found before, and think the Seahawks are going to blitz someone, but it's someone else.

And if they do become predictable, the question is if they’re still able to execute it. If the offense knows it’s coming and still can’t stop it, then you know the Seahawks got something special.

by Carl Shinyama on Dec 14, 2011 12:37 AM PST up reply actions  

I'd be on the lookout for players inching toward the line who don't usually belong.

Roy Lewis and Hawthorne are up next. Maybe Mebane or Branch running some crazy outside stunts. We haven’t seen any corner blitzes in a long time either.

by Groundhog on Dec 14, 2011 4:21 PM PST up reply actions  

There's a great reason to have Marshawn Lynch throw both times

Namely, to make the defense think about the possibility when they pursue him en masse to the edge. Get those defenders on their heels and Lynch will demolish them.

by Agent_J on Dec 13, 2011 11:26 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah, it doesn't have to work to keep em' honest.

70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.

by hazbro24 on Dec 14, 2011 8:04 AM PST up reply actions  

By that logic...

Run that baby again!

"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."

by shams on Dec 14, 2011 6:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I think he ran it because Ray Rice threw the TD against us

and Carroll thought it was a good play that had his defense completely offguard. Gotta think that would work really well to the backside TE running a drag route about 15 yards downfield or a deep crossing pattern after faking the run block.

But I’d agree with Hazbro – it doesn’t have to work to have its desired effect. Similarly, play action works because all the times you do hand the ball to Lynch keeps the safeties and LBs in the box for a fraction of a second longer.

Smashmouth is the new sexy!

by pqlqi on Dec 14, 2011 7:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think defenders are ever on their heels with Lynch.

I’d bet defenses are eagerly looking forward to seeing Lynch throw more passes. There’s a palpable sigh of relief.

by Groundhog on Dec 14, 2011 4:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Passes by non-QBs

Marshawn should not throw the ball any more.

I’m still hoping/waiting for Pete to break out this play with Tarvaris on the receiving end: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C81_Z0ovhx8

by sc85sis on Dec 14, 2011 9:50 PM PST reply actions  

Against the tricktastic 49ers maybe?

What’s your deal? What’s your deal? No, what’s YOUR deal? WHAT’S! YOUR! DEAL!

Stupid Jim Harbaugh.

Head of catering.

by jacobstevens on Dec 15, 2011 8:19 AM PST up reply actions  

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