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Seahawks Scouting Report: David DeCastro, OG Stanford

After thoroughly demolishing the Chicago Bears in their own living room, the Seahawks have assured themselves at least a return to their 7-9 record last year, and are still clinging to an outside shot at a playoff berth. So far, they have ridden their defense and Marshawn Lynch to a 5-1 in the second half of the season (matching the Green Bay Packers). Their defense has allowed nine (9!) touchdowns in the last six (6!!) games, while scoring three (3!!!) of their own.

I'm pretty confident they will end up at or over .500 for the season, despite sustaining season-ending injuries to 3/5 of their starting offensive line, two of their starting cornerbacks, their #1 and #2 wide receivers (as of the beginning of the season), a starting tight end, a nickel linebacker, a backup linebacker, and a number of other depth players.

Their right-handed starting QB has played his last eight games with a torn right bicep and torn right pectoral muscle. Their leading receiver is an undrafted free agent. Their starting cornerbacks are a NFL-flunkie-turned-CFL-star-turned-NFL-borderline-star and a 5th-round CB who only started playing the position for his last two years in college to give him a better shot at being drafted. Their current starting left tackle was their backup right guard, a street free agent before the season.

Obviously, I could go on, but you guys know all of this as well as I do. This entire tale is simply a huge "kudos" to John Schneider's brilliant talent-evaluation and Pete Carroll's masterful ability to maximize production from the talent available to him. This odd couple is quickly proving themselves a shrewd and fearsome symbiotic duo that the rest of the NFL would do well to take seriously.

However, this team is far from perfect, and -- even in the words of Schneider himself -- needs at least one more solid draft and free agency before it can really begin to move forward as a dynastic force to be reckoned with.

For the second year in a row, our Seahawks have found themselves in an awkward tweener of a position. They have a good deal of talent and particular aspects of certain units are playing at a great-to-elite level, while other units are in clear need of help, help most easily obtained in the Draft. However, they've managed to play themselves low enough in the Draft that the help they need may not present itself ready and available.

Quarterback is the most glaringly-obvious need, though Tarvaris has done quite extraordinarily well, given the circumstances. But given the teams guaranteed to be drafting ahead of Seattle, drafting one of the top three QBs of this class will almost certainly require a trade up, a move that would likely prove costly in terms of draft capital. As Davis Hsu eloquently and studiously elucidated, Schneider's heritage rarely trades up, and tends to hoard picks rather than surrender them.

This doesn't mean a large trade-up is out of the question, as Carroll has also indicated that they would be willing to "mortgage the future" for the right guy. I do agree, though, with Davis, who said recently on Twitter that he expects that Seattle would "maybe trade up 5 slots if RG3 (Robert Griffin III) or MB7 (Matt Barkley) there (like moving from 15 to 10) but not 15 to 3" and that "there would be a limit...not gonna slash two drafts even for Barkley, in my opinion."

If Davis's hunch is accurate (and I suspect it is), and Seattle ends up picking in the 15-20 range, any hope of drafting Luck, Barkley, or Griffin this year would be gone -- and with it any chance of having a quarterback of the future option other than T-jack starting next year. In my opinion, no other quarterback in the draft is even remotely an option to start out of the gate, and I'd even be hesitant starting any of them after only a single year as a backup. So who else might be an option for Seattle in round one?

Star-divide

Enter David DeCastro. He's the premier interior lineman prospect in the nation, and is really the heart and soul of the dominant Stanford running game. He's tough, strong and disciplined, with a noticeable nasty streak. I mean, just look at him:

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via imgs.sfgate.com

He looks like the ticked-off lovechild of Tom Cable and Harvey Dahl (<<click those links).

Now, I have a feeling that most of the Seahawk Nation would be irreversibly apoplectic if the Seahawks spent yet another first round pick on an offensive lineman, especially since Cable has demonstrated the flexibility and interchangeability of his scheme. But bear with me here.

DeCastro isn't just any guard prospect. He's perhaps the best guard I've watched since Steve Hutchinson. I know we keep looking for that replacement for Hutch, but honestly, as I watch DeCastro, Hutch is who comes to mind.

He's a mauler, good in pass protection and terrific as a run-blocker. He's quick off the snap and keeps his pads low and legs churning. He's bigger than some guards, at 6'5"/318, but he's almost the same size as Hutch and John Moffitt. He's not a burner, even by offensive lineman standards, but he moves well in space, particularly because of his quick feet. He adeptly seeks out second-level defenders and uses his strength and quickness to seal them off and create running lanes.

Nearly every Stanford running play is directed through lanes opened up by this guy. If they're going for a downhill, power running attack, it's through the B gap between DeC and the tackle. Otherwise, they're always running a trap, pulling him from the backside and sending him through the opposite B or C gap and into the second level to lead block. If you watched the Stanford/USC game earlier this year, you could see (and Herbie pointed out as well, I believe) that Monte Kiffin was game-planning his pass rush around this big boy, because he didn't want to play into the strength of Stanford's line.

The following tape is from the Stanford (6) vs. Notre Dame (22) game on November 26, 2011 (Stanford won, 28-14). As usual, film is brought to you courtesy of JMPasq and DraftBreakdown.com.


David Decastro vs Notre Dame 2011 (via JMPasq)

Approximately, the first half of the video (up to 3:10) is made up of all the pass plays from the game. The second half is all the running plays. I'm going to highlight only four passing plays. For one, pass pro isn't exactly his strength, though it's far from a weakness. For two, there were a lot more running plays because, Stanford. And for three, because evaluating offensive lineman can be pretty difficult since it's often hard to identify their individual responsibility on a given play, especially for a guard in pass protection.

He plays every snap from RG, and he's number 52 (for Stanford. That's the red team.).

Pass Pro

0:39- The result is pretty obvious, but notice how he gets there: quick reaction off the snap, balanced in his stance, hands up quickly and punching to the chest of the D-lineman. He keeps his hands inside the pads and keeps his feet churning, using the defender's own momentum to blow him completely out of the play. It's a relatively easy block, especially since the DE doesn't give much effort to defeat it, but it's not his only one, and he's done the same against far superior competition.

1:59- Another easy block. I chose it because this is something he does a LOT. Notre Dame only rushes three and Stanford blocks with five, so Luck could have recited "The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire" in the pocket. But DeCastro ensures that his center has his responsibility corralled, then turns and helps his right tackle turn another pass-rusher into goo. What DeCastro might lack in strength (he can be susceptible to a bull-rush) or pure ability he makes up for in technique and awareness. Even when he's not actively blocking someone, his head is always on a swivel, on the lookout for a blitz or a stunt.

2:23- Another (perhaps better) example of what I'm talking about. Notre Dame looks to be in prevent, with four down linemen and six defensive backs. Four of the DBs are in man coverage on the three wideouts and single inline tight end; a safety plays deep as help on the overloaded side; and two other DBs show blitz just before the snap, one rushing straight into the waiting arms of the Stanford center, and the other staying up in man coverage on the running back, who releases into the flat. The 3-tech in front of DeCastro runs a stunt with the 5-tech in front of the RT, and the two O-lineman handle it expertly. DeC keeps his arms extended and punches the 3-tech toward the tackle, a move made easier by the stunt. DeC holds position, keeping his balance and his arms extended and stonewalls the oncoming 5-tech, who attempts a wimpy and ineffective spin move.

2:41- Similar to the last play. Another stunt. DeCastro passes off to his tackle, absorbs the rush of his man, and drives his feet, blowing the rusher around the pocket and into his center, opening a passing lane for Luck.

Run Blocking

3:20- The bread-and-butter of the Stanford running game: a pulling DeCastro setting the edge and springing a long run. It's not exactly the most impressive block in and of itself, but it didn't need to be. He sprung from his stance and got outside fast enough that all he had to do was be in the way. Notice how quick and almost "stutter-steppy" his feet are. I'm no offensive line genius, but this stands out to me as ideal in space. It avoids the longer lumbering gait that might come more naturally to such a hulk of a man -- which would also destroy reaction time and leverage.

3:54- I'm not sure if this play was designed to run through the right B gap. The fullback leads through the left B gap, and both linebackers bite HARD, completely opening the right half of the field. The Mike realizes his mistake a moment too late, and is forced to deal with a DeCastro with time and leverage to set his block. For nothing other than integrity of fundamentals, it might have been nice to see him seal this block off even more and prevent the trailing pursuit, but said pursuit does not factor.

4:35- My favourite play of the entire video. DeCastro's block is the key that springs this, Stanford's longest run of the game. How much do I have to say? The replay provides the best view. He springs out of his stance, punches straight to the chest between the pads, keeps his own pads low, and stonewalls the defender by staying low and driving with his legs. He keeps his arms extended and prevents the DT from sweeping loose of the block. Then he drives him to the ground for good measure. Don't mis-see that- he doesn't pull the guy down from behind, he drives into him until he knocks him over backwards.

5:19- Check out the jump off the snap:

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You can't really tell from this shot, but DeCastro is already rising out of his stance as well. It's a draw play, so he has to sell pass first, then run-block. A tough assignment. He's actually beat, as he does sit back in a pass pro stance and doesn't drive forward, but kind of just stands pat for a split second. The defender springs past him, but he recovers, remains balanced with his arms extended, and pushes his man out of the back of the pocket. If this had been a pass play with a seven-step drop, Luck would have been forced up into the pocket immediately. But it wasn't, and the pass-rusher never factors.

5:25- There seems to be some miscommunication between DeCastro and his tackle on this play. And after watching the play over and over, I think he's right and his tackle is wrong. DeC engages the first man in front of him, #9. He stands him up, then passes him to the RT and moves to the LB at the next level. The RT is supposed to block #9 out to his own right, a task that should have been fairly easy given the help he received. But he tries to spring to the next level and #9 awkwardly waddles through the gap. The RT realizes his mistake and turns around chasing him. The running back identifies this penetration and tries to spring outside, but the play is being broken up. He's able to slip and dodge a bit and fall forward for a decent gain. But watch DeCastro. He's reading the body language of the defense and as they flow in pursuit, he throws an ad-libbed cut block. It amused me, and I appreciated his dedication to the play.

5:40- No explanation necessary. He brutally manhandles the DT. Poor sophomore Louis Nix III (the 6th-ranked DT for the 2015 class, FWIW).

5:58- Another excellent example of the Stanford trap play. Notice how he locks on his man, squares him up, and drives him back. The little linebacker never stands a chance.

6:32- And a final example of the same play, and another linebacker getting trucked. NFL defensive backs aren't gonna like seeing this guy coming their way, and a lot of linebackers are gonna be a bit disconcerted as well. He's like a dump truck, and this poor guy is just trying to get out of the way.

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Do the Seahawks need another first-round offensive lineman? Perhaps not. Gallery is around still, though for only a couple years, and they have decent depth in McQuistan, Giacomini, Jeanpierre, and Jarriel King. However, if they're choosing in the late teens, with no QB available, apart from trading down, I'm not sure I see a better option.

And that's not to paint this as "settling for DeCastro." The entire 2005 offense ran through the left side of the Seahawks' line. And in my opinion, the entire game runs through the offensive line. They set the tone for the offense, which in turn controls time of possession and defensive strategy.

Lining up DeCastro between Okung and Unger would make for a solid, maybe even terrific pass-blocking left side. And with Moffitt and a smarter, better Carpenter, the Seahawks wouldn't have to favour one side with their runs. They could legitimately run left, right, or center, and Marshawn (please re-sign him) would be trucking behind an elite run-blocking offensive line.

Now, one final note. Despite Rob Rang's report that said David DeCastro is expected to declare in the next few weeks, he came out on Twitter saying no decision has been made. So, who knows.

What think ye, fairest of the Twelfth Man?

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Update: Here's another video, for those of you who find yourselves craving more offensive lineman film to pore over. Again, brought to you by the ever-amazing Draft Breakdown and JMPasq.

David Decastro vs UCLA 2011 (via JMPasq)

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Thanks for the hard work.

I have no problem with the idea of drafting the top guard prospect, at all. We’ll see when we get to the draft, whether that still looks like an actual good move. But I could definitely live with it.

I’d probably rule out safety & linebacker as Rd 1 considerations, and that’s really about it. I could see us taking a back, a corner or even another tackle.

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by jacobstevens on Dec 19, 2011 10:13 AM PST reply actions  

I actually wouldn't be surprised to see us take a LB with the first round pick.

Heater’s knees are awful, and Leeroy Hill has injury concerns. Hill is also a free agent after this season I believe.

Yes, it would probably be better for the D to draft a pass rusher in the first round, so perhaps look to see us draft a LB in the second. We need one.

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by Bobby Cink on Dec 19, 2011 10:19 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Right, the position is not set. I just think it's pretty unlikely they take one in round 1.

But I suppose if they end up picking, say, 18th, I dunno what they plan to do with the defense, I still wonder if there is some 3-4 transition being done quietly, a Leo-sized LB with pass rushing skills could be an option there.

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by jacobstevens on Dec 19, 2011 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Jarvis Jones was just the type of player I want them to take

I think there are some solid guard prospects to be had in later rounds. I think they have decent depth already, and guard talent doesn’t necessitate first-round status. An elite OLB on the other hand… yes please.

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by Matt Erickson on Dec 19, 2011 10:37 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Matt, do you think you can do a scouting report on Burfict (sp?) from ASU?

The more I think about it, the more I could see us taking him, especially if we trade down a few spots into the low 20s. He would be a prime candidate considering Pete’s familiarity with him from the old Pac-10.

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by Bobby Cink on Dec 19, 2011 10:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I'll put him in the lineup.

He’s fallen a bit lately on most people’s draft boards, and not just for character issues. From what I’ve heard from people whose opinions I respect, he’s just not that technically sound of a player — definitely not in the Teo or Kuechly class.

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by Matt Erickson on Dec 19, 2011 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Perhaps a second round pick for us?

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by Bobby Cink on Dec 19, 2011 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd consider him in the 2nd, and would snatch him up without a question in the 3rd.

His athleticism is unquestioned. He’s got maturity issues though, and is pretty susceptible to the bonehead play (and not Aaron Curry style bonehead, we’re talking like headbutting quarterbacks and other stupid personal fouls). He’s a terrific downhill tackler, and decent as a blitzer because of his explosiveness, but he lacks any sort of technique or moves.

At this point, he’s not much of an asset in pass coverage, though he wouldn’t be entirely a liability. He’d likely have to be removed in nickel or dime situations — he’s no Lofa. Because he doesn’t possess an elite pass rush, the fact that he doesn’t project as a four-down kind of back, coupled with his discipline issues… I dunno, I’ll need to watch some more tape, but at this point he just doesn’t strike me as someone I’d want to build my defense around — and thus, not a first-round quality pick.

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by Matt Erickson on Dec 19, 2011 1:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I too would not at all be surprised to see us take an elite (though INSTINCTUAL) linebacker.

Any of the positions.

Speaking of which, it seems to me that they might take one that can play any and all of the positions. Look at the philosophy on the OL— building a team of players who can slide into multiple slots effectively. The linebackers may be next in this mold. K.J Wright certainly fits the dynamic versatile role, and he’s really the first new addition to the LB core during the Carroll/Schneider era. Perhaps instead of being the outlier, he’s the expected new breed…

I am almost positive we’ll draft at least 2 linebackers next year.

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by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 19, 2011 10:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed. I'm expecting a similar focus on the LB and DL positions in this draft.

2-3 LBs and 3-4 D Linemen.

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by Bobby Cink on Dec 19, 2011 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

God, anything but linebacker.

Pete Carroll can find three 4-3 linebackers anywhere.

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by shams on Dec 19, 2011 1:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Extremely, extremely unlikely that we take him.

If Carpenter ends up not being able to play tackle, and I’m not saying that he can’t or that he is a bust right now, he will be moved to G. I’d venture to guess he would be moved to LG as the successor to Gallery.

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by Bobby Cink on Dec 19, 2011 10:16 AM PST reply actions  

The value they put on the line, and running, could make them make the move.

They value versatility & depth. The valuation of versatility previously seemed a little overblown to me, but there definitely seems to be more cross-over of capability than in Holmgren’s power man scheme. Depth shows a drop-off but hasn’t been disastrous.

But if they like DeCastro the most, top of their board, the thought that Carpenter might work out as guard I don’t think would stop them.

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by jacobstevens on Dec 19, 2011 10:34 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't disagree.

Another interesting prospect is Osmele (Iowa State, I believe). He could play guard or tackle already, and I think that kind of flexibility would appeal to Cable.

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by Matt Erickson on Dec 19, 2011 10:39 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Good article!

(Biceps, never “bicep” … the singular of biceps is… biceps)

by nucleard on Dec 19, 2011 10:33 AM PST reply actions  

Aha, indeed.

Because even in its singular form, ‘biceps’ is plural — refers to a group of muscles. Thanks ;)

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by Matt Erickson on Dec 19, 2011 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I met DeCastro once when he was still in High School

He’s a great guy, very humbled and very, very smart. I was in middle school-high school football camp in the Summer, and no doubt, the sight of him was terrifying. It was amazing though, he respected all of us and was a great teacher. I don’t think you’ll find any bad things to say about this guy.

On the field, he transitioned from center to guard, and this guy is very smart and instinctive. Again, his run blocking is probably one of the best in the draft class. He gets very, very low and his fundamentals: arms/elbows in, feet chopping, going until the whistle, is second to none. His pass blocking skills are a little more basic, but he rarely misses a blitz or a stunt – so if he doesn’t beat you with his brutal strength, then he’ll work around you with his head.

This man is definitely a keeper.

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by EequalsMc2 on Dec 19, 2011 10:37 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

I was one of the few endorsers of taking Carpenter (or, more generally a RT) in the first round last year.

I absolutely believe that you can set the tone for a team by dominating in the trenches.

I also think in the NFL of today you need plenty of depth, particularly on the OL. Not many teams start the same 5 guys all year, and having more talented players across the board makes for replacement. The Giants won a Super Bowl practically on the same theory but on the other side of the ball with the DL.

Why not? If he’s the best player available, the best DIFFERENCE MAKER, then you take him and make your team better. The best teams in this league don’t draft by need, but by taking people that make your team better.

Do we need a QBOTF more? Absolutely. Assuming one is available at a fair price. Do we need LB’s? Another DE pass rushing threat? Depth at LB? Another high end DT? Yes, Yes, Yes and Yes. But while we may not absolutely NEED another OG who plays like an OG, it might be a nice thing to have. Particularly as Gallery ages and with Okung not proving he can stay healthy (be it fluke or not.)

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by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 19, 2011 10:39 AM PST reply actions  

Side note, just was thinking about it this weekend.

In 2007 our best defense in over a decade was pushed around on a slick, snowy field on account of a smart coach in Mike McCarthy making a very bold and at-the-time unconventional adjustment to go with mostly full house backfields which we never found a way to counter. Despite rapidly being up 14-0.

I think back and wonder, without that snow, which was expected even earlier that morning, to not quite start falling during the game, but ended up coming in early, what would have happened that year? The defense was performing as well as I’ve seen them. They had jumped out on top quickly. The Packers were quite good but not distinguishably superior, and not a matchup problem. A win there would have brought the Giants to Qwest, who were pass rushing out of their minds but still barely beat their playoff opponents including a wild OT win against the Pack.

I think it’s really rather realistic that without that snow storm Seattle would have lost to a 19-0 Patriots team in XLII. I don’t think we could have brought the interior rush through Scarnecchia’s wide spread gaps that the Giants did, to keep the Pats offense in check and barely pull off the huge upset. We’d have most likely been cut to pieces. But the more I think about it, we weren’t that far away from a 2nd conference championship.

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by jacobstevens on Dec 19, 2011 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Interesting thought.

Lots of if’s and butts, but yeah the snow didn’t help.

I definitely like the idea of what you said. But I’m also not sure if our OL could have held up against that Giants pass rush. That front four rotation was crazy good, and they might well have had their way with us. I never felt (other than 2005) in that era we were the most physical team, and I think those Giants might have beat us up.

But, I like it. I like it a lot.

Yep. Stupid snow. We would have been in the SB again!

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by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 19, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Their pass rush would've made an impact, definitely. But we'd have been at home,

and I don’t think their offense would have put anything out of reach.

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by jacobstevens on Dec 19, 2011 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

This is what I've always thought:

If we’d been able to beat the Packers, we would have had a good shot at the SB. We played the Giants pretty well at the time and were laying a beating on the Pack to begin that game. The problem was that our fast defense got pushed around when it started to snow.

I think our defense was not as strong as the Giants’ but we had some good pass-rushing DEs, were getting lots of pressure from the Bernard/Mebane combo and even the LBs (Hill and Peterson) were getting to the QB. We probably couldn’t stop the offensive juggernaut that was the 2007 Patriots, but we likely had as much of a chance as those Giants.

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Dec 19, 2011 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

We are going to turn into the NY Jets.

An elite super bowl caliber team that rots on the QB vine.

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by hazbro24 on Dec 19, 2011 10:42 AM PST reply actions  

That might have been true two years ago, and maybe last year.

Definitely not true this year though.

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by Bobby Cink on Dec 19, 2011 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm talking about the next two years.

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by hazbro24 on Dec 19, 2011 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

So we should pick a QB too soon and that would stop the "rotting on the vine."

Seems to me it would further connect us with them if we reach at QB…

"Now I'm tired of this s---. I'm sick and f------ tired of an 8-10 record. I'm f------ tired of losing to Purdue. I'm not here to f--- around this week. Now you may be, but I'm not." -- Bobby Knight, circa 1992

by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 19, 2011 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm not advocating reaching.

I’m advocating overpaying if they have to. One of the top 3 guys.

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by hazbro24 on Dec 19, 2011 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Fair enough.

How much of an overpay I suppose is the question.

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by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 19, 2011 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

I love the DeCastro pick.

And he’s a Pac-10 guy, meaning that Pete Carroll will probably give him a couple extra looks

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by JLee2025 on Dec 19, 2011 10:44 AM PST reply actions  

Great write up. However,

it looks to me like he’s playing Right Guard, not Left. I spent the first 4 minutes of the tape trying to follow the LG, and kept seeing #54 pop up.

It was just intense, and it was ball, and it was juice. The juice level in that room was high, and it was awesome.

by mister bunny on Dec 19, 2011 10:53 AM PST reply actions  

Argh, good catch. Fixed now.

That’s what I get for doing a write-up at 4:30 in the morning on no sleep.

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by Matt Erickson on Dec 19, 2011 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think you mentioned

the most exciting facet of Decastro’s resume; the fact that he played for Stanford. It’s tough to breed winners, and that’s the kind of player you need in the NFL. The biggest reason why you should never want your team to lose is because you want players that are accustomed to winning and don’t accept defeat.

Look at how well Baldwin and Sherman are playing. They are both Stanford guys that play to win. It hurts to say but the fact that Decastro is a Harbaugh guy is reason number 1 that I would want the hawks to draft him.

Josh Portis is not going to be a stud QB. You are all crazy.

by insidetheparker on Dec 19, 2011 11:07 AM PST reply actions  

The Seahawks are my wifes team, and I actually have been following them for a few years too. I can totally see a draft day swap between our two fav teams. The level of play that my Browns have shown this year has dropped them into a spot to 4, 5, or 6 in the draft (dont see them winning there last two division games). I don’t like Barkley for you guys, just don’t see the fit with your current talent. RGIII is the QB that would fit your talent level best and would be a huge upgrade from T-Joke (Minnesota knick name). I do believe that he wouldn’t have to ride a bench for a year, he could start out of the box.

Now the asking price. Schneider and Holmgren would have to put away there ego’s and make a fair deal. I don’t expect any team to be as retarded as Atlanta was about Julio, but I would want a fair value for a “Franchise QB”. What do you think a fair market value would be? I can see the 2012 1st, 2nd, 3rd & 2013 2nd, & 3rd – or some combination in there, or even a player or two added to sweeten the deal.

by J. W. on Dec 19, 2011 11:18 AM PST reply actions  

The price you just mentioned

is why it is hard to see the Seahawks trading up for a QB. That’s just a lot to give. With all due respect, I disagree on your QB choice. I think Barkley fits better because he seems better at going through projections and distributing from the pocket. I’d prefer him to RG3.

Josh Portis is not going to be a stud QB. You are all crazy.

by insidetheparker on Dec 19, 2011 11:22 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

That's what I was thinking.

Well, at least they can look forward to the Indians and M’s and Cavaliers and Son— uhhh…. nevermind.

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by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 19, 2011 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep, for all its worth, I’ve been taking a lot of crap from her for a long time. I agree with her that the post season has a fix built into it (ie the superbowl that made me hate on the pukesburgh cheaters even more than I thought that I could) with the Refs being on certain teams payrolls. No, I’m not a M’s fan – Rangers about as long as I’ve been a Browns fan (I have great love for the underdog). I will give the hawks love though, they"ve done a total rebuild in a record amount of time – Cleveland needs to pay attention.

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by J. W. on Dec 20, 2011 9:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I would rather get 1st thru 3rd picks and add more badly needed talent to a talent starved team.

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by J. W. on Dec 20, 2011 9:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd also add,

That I don’t see DeCastro falling too far in the draft. Even as a guard. He’s just too good.

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by hazbro24 on Dec 19, 2011 11:21 AM PST reply actions  

Agreed.

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by Matt Erickson on Dec 19, 2011 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Probably true if he's anywhere near the equal of Hutchinson.

Hutch had been projected as a top-10 pick, and the Seahawks, who hadn’t particularly targeted him, were lucky to have him fall into their laps at #17. And the Seahawks were immediately proclaimed the “winners” of that draft by all the experts. Kind of hard to see that happening again; Mike Iupati was also the #17 pick, and while he’s good, he’s no Hutchinson.

by Suburban Shocker on Dec 19, 2011 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

You get him for free

I have been thinking about DeCastro in round 1 for a few days. The value I see is that he could step in for Gallery and make Gallery expendable via trade. We have Gallery signed for 2 more years. At 31, Gallery he is still young enough to draw interest from other teams. He has also been the leader on this lines resurgence. I think we could trade him for a good pick, let’s say a 2nd or 3rd. Now your O Line is younger, more talented and we start to stockpile piles like New England. We need to unload good players before they start to go down hill.

They let Polumbus, whom I liked alot, go because they think Jariel King has more upside. King may end up at RT.

by Patches Pal on Dec 19, 2011 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I personally think you are kidding yourself if you believe that Gallery will fetch a second or a third round pick...

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by Bobby Cink on Dec 19, 2011 2:57 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Any thought that involves receiving a pick for a player should be thrown out immediately.

It just doesn’t happen in the NFL, and when it does it’s a late pick or a high pick for a superstar/elite player.

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by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 19, 2011 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Aaron Curry

Oakland gave up a 7th and what now looks like a 4th in 2013 for Aaron Curry who was considered a bust. A third for Gallery, a starting guard, would seem reasonable to me. We gave up a 2nd and 3rd for Whitehurst who had hardly played. Trade value is something guys always argue. “Oh, that guy isn’t worth that much!” The O Line talent in this years draft is thin. This may be the time to trade Gallery for top dollar.

by Patches Pal on Dec 19, 2011 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

just a correction...

the simplification of the whitehurst deal boils down to we used a 2010 2nd round pick to draft golden tate and then traded away our 2011 third round pick to acquire Charlie Whitehurst. So charlie only cost us a 3rd round pick (and moving down 20spots in the 2011 draft). Certainly CW did not cost 2 draft picks.

Gallery would be better midseason trade-bait, when a contender loses a key cog on the OL, like if Hutch were to go down next year and the vikings were in a position to win the NFC north.

If he is traded offseason, hard to see getting much in draft capital (maybe a 4th, but he performs way better than you would expect from a fourt); more likely to get a player with some spare draft change thrown in on one side or the other

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by pqlqi on Dec 19, 2011 4:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Aaron Curry is also a freakish athlete and young.

With years to develop into a more complete player. And he also went to the one team that values freakish athleticism more than any other team in the NFL.

And he was only 2 years removed from being the 4th overall pick, and is only 25 years old. There’s just a lot of differences there that make him uniquely valuable. If you are optimistic to actually trade him, expect something like a conditional 5th in return.

We’re better to keep him and have him help the young guys get better, be it by starting alongside them or backing them up and teaching them in practice.

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by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 19, 2011 7:24 PM PST up reply actions  

(a conditional 5th at BEST)

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by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 19, 2011 7:24 PM PST up reply actions  

It seems like they are pretty high on Jarriel King

So I’m not sure they would spend another first round pick on a OG prospect. Your write up on Decastro is awesome and I can see your point but I really think that there is two glaring needs on this team to be addressed.

QB – I have been hard on T Jack but he has been solid the last 6 games so I can’t see the Hawks paying a fortune to move up on draft day, the exception of course is how much they like RG3…

Pass Rush – I would prefer a DE as the hawks need depth on the line, last year the D line injuries were what hurt the team the most. The most obvious choice is to replace Brock with a young DE who can get after the QB.

As for LB’s I like the trio of Heater, KJ, and Hill. I think malcolm smith could end up being a great nickel package lb. There are definatley some open spots there but I wouldn’t use a first round pick to address them

by steverolley on Dec 19, 2011 11:26 AM PST reply actions  

As much as we may like the trio, you can't ignore the injury concerns of Heater and Hill.

I don’t want to ignore a position where our backups have been decimated by injuries and our starters are facing serious injury concerns.

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by Bobby Cink on Dec 19, 2011 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

I think that LB (particularly one that can rush the passer) is the position that needs to be filled most urgently

That is to say, with a day one starter. Obviously they need a solution at QB, but they can survive with Tarvaris there for next year at least. Their LB corps, on the other hand, is quite shallow and could do with an extra burst of youth and talent.

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by Matt Erickson on Dec 19, 2011 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Ryan Tannehill

I like this kid after the first three. He may go late in round 1. I think he will be this years Jake Locker only with better accuracy. QB is important but it is more important to have two guys that can play the position than one elite talent.

by Patches Pal on Dec 19, 2011 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Cant be reading that correctly...

More important to have two guys that can play (TJack/Whitehurst) over one with elite talent (Brady)?

by Seahawcla on Dec 19, 2011 3:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Tom Brady was drafted in the 6th round

You never know how guys will turn out. Luck could be a bust. Matt Leinart was drafted 10th overall and seems to be a bust. Going No 1 does not guarantee success in the NFL. There is plenty of reason to believe guys develop better with less pressure on them to start right away.

I would keep TJack but I think Whitehurst has reached whatever peak he has. I would replace him with someone that has more promise. Hopefully, in time one of them becomes elite but I sure would not mortgage 3 drafts to get Luck.

by Patches Pal on Dec 19, 2011 4:36 PM PST up reply actions  

What does that have to do with having two guys capable of playing QB compared to having an elite QB?

That’s just a false statement. Would the Saints trade Drew Brees for Andy Dalton and Bruce Gradkowski? Would the Patriots trade Tom Brady for Carson Palmer and Jason Campbell?

People get very confused with the “TOM BRADY WAS A SIXTH ROUND PICK!” statement. Just because Brady was 199th overall and Tony Romo was undrafted has nothing to do with whether or not you need an elite QB.

Yes, you can luck out and get a franchise QB after the top 10, but you increase your odds exponentially by being a top pick compared to going late in the draft. And it still has nothing to do with whether or not you can skate by on an above-average QB or having an elite one.

Who are the six best QBs in the NFC? Romo, Manning, Rodgers, Stafford, Brees, Ryan? Next level, Vick, Newton, Smith? Only Newton has no shot at the playoffs and he’ll be in the playoffs for the majority of his career.

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by Kenneth Arthur on Dec 19, 2011 4:55 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Bingo

Elite QB gives you the best chance at success, if a reasonable risk can get you one you take it. We do not have a franchise QB on our roster at some point we need to take a risk and try and get one.

And no team is sitting with two QBs worth much. As soon as the backup has value they trade one. Because QB is so important that teams can’t pass up moving them. Look at what Schaub and Kolb got.

Carroll/Schneider will at some point go after a QB and when they do I hope they get the right one. I believe we have the pieces in place right now to have a QB be successful. And with the strong QB class spreading to be coming the timing is perfect.

by Seahawcla on Dec 19, 2011 6:57 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Arguably Matt Flynn could fetch a lot in trade value.

Speculative, sure, but the hope would be for more Matt Schaub than Matt Cassel.

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by shams on Dec 19, 2011 7:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Flynn is a free agent after the year.

Not sure what the new CBA does for unrestricted vs restricted, but he will most certainly be a FA after the year. Trade may not be required.

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by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 19, 2011 8:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I guess I'm on the "franchise QB or bust" side.

That is, assuming Barkley and RG3 grade out as worthy top picks — a question I’ll leave to people with better scouting acument than mine — I’d mortgage the farm to get one of them. It’s not that the team doesn’t have other needs, but they’re far fewer than they used to be, the FO has shown a knack for finding late-round gems, and there’s always fine-tuning via free agency. The puzzle is nearing completion. So I say splurge and trade whatever package of picks is necessary to move up. No one will be able to say we didn’t go for it. And maybe it will finally generate some buzz about the team outside of Seattle.

by Suburban Shocker on Dec 19, 2011 11:56 AM PST reply actions  

Drew Brees

Won’t sign a franchise tag.

Just sayin’…

by Buster! on Dec 19, 2011 12:20 PM PST reply actions  

Drew Brees won't leave Sean Payton.

Just sayin’. Those two are in a Vulcan mind meld.

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by hazbro24 on Dec 19, 2011 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

It all depends on the $$$

If NO comes through with the cash, he’ll stay. If not, he will hit the market.

by Buster! on Dec 19, 2011 10:18 PM PST up reply actions  

wouldn't be oppossed

to the DeCastro pick. I’ve actually been thinking about this the pass few weeks within my private mind garden, given the teams success and our moving down the draft board. You can never have enough hog mollies on a football team, especially guys as dominant as DeCastro.

As far as QBs, I think I could live with Tannehill in the 2nd or Lindley in the 3rd. I was impressed with Lindley’s arm in SDST. bowl game. Matt Barkley and RG3 would be ideal, but I don’t know if betting the farm to get one of those players would benefit our team in the long run. I’m excited to see what transpires.

by jah_boy on Dec 19, 2011 1:14 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

In your private mind garden

Do you have grapes…. Do you squeeze your mind grapes?

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by DKrottenhawk on Dec 19, 2011 11:51 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah, I just don't see this team drafting an O lineman in the first round unless Okung, Moffitt, or Carp's injuries prove to be much more severe than currently thought.

A pass-rushing DL would be a better choice, or a good LB for that matter (preferably someone who can get going quickly in a blitz situation). The inability of this team to generate anything resembling a pass rush in the first half was frustrating to say the least – much more frustrating IMO than anything TJax or his line did (after all, the guy who couldn’t handle Peppers was one of the backups anyway). Guys just getting healthy should fix a lot of the issues on the offensive side of things. As for the defense… basically, the portion of it that’s coming back next year already is healthy.

I do think there are several ways to come across a franchise QB, though. Overpaying this year actually seems like a pretty good strategy, given the amount of young talent the team picked up this year. I don’t really like the idea of wrecking the draft for 2 years though, especially with the probability that both Peyton Manning and Kyle Orton are going to be available as free agents this offseason.

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by Johnny Slick on Dec 19, 2011 1:27 PM PST reply actions  

All depends on available talent at other positions.

But I do think, you draft an offensive lineman every year. As vital as the unit is, and with the flexibility to move players around? Perpetual re-investment, just as _whiskey chainsaw mentioned above the Giants do with their D-Line.

Remember Jason Pierre-Paul at number 8, a really really bold pick by the G-men? That guy has had quite a month. But I digress.

Of course it would be nicer to draft an O-lineman later, and go elsewhere. But if this guy is the second coming of Hutch, that’s a lot.

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by shams on Dec 19, 2011 1:35 PM PST reply actions  

Oh man, did you see him get faked out yesterday.

I know he had a great month, but that was BRUTAL. He actually let go of a RB on a draw play thinking the QB/RB? coming around the outside had the ball. The one he had hands on went on to score.

One of the better fakes I’ve seen in a while.

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by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 19, 2011 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Missed it.

Loved seeing the Giants collapse though. I had a feeling Shanahan would find a way to scuttle them.

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by shams on Dec 19, 2011 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

JPP was drafted at 15 or 16 I believe, not 8.

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by Bobby Cink on Dec 19, 2011 2:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I am rather ignorant to the amount of pass rushing LBs or DEs who are looking to go in the 1st,

but I love this pick. DeCastro, from the film, looks like a mauler who plays smart and is fundamentally sound. I would be happy if that was the direction they go. I have noticed that although our backups on the line have played well, we still were inept against the Bears. I think it is never a bad thing to have too much depth on the line.

With that being said, I think it all depends on how the draft unfolds. I do hope Carroll and Schneider keep tabs on this guy.

by Neonjerseysplease on Dec 19, 2011 1:37 PM PST reply actions  

There really aren't many great pass-rushing options for the first round, at least at this point.

Names like Nick Perry (DE, USC) have started to garner some first round talk. Jerel Worthy (DT, MSU) and Devon Still (DT, PSU) are routinely mocked to teams in the first round, but I don’t really buy either of them, especially for the Hawks. Perhaps Still. Billy Wynn (DE, BSU) is an intriguing option at 3-tech. Courtney Upshaw (OLB, Alabama), Melvin Ingram (DE, South Carolina), and of course, Quinton Coples (DE, NC State) are some other names. Brandon Thompson (DT, Clemson) might be another possibility at 3-tech.

Personally, I’d prefer an OLB with coverage skills who can blitz effectively. Then again, I’d also advocate a full-scale conversion to a 3-4. There is some pretty good depth at OLB in this draft, so I trust Pete and John to uncover the right guy.

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by Matt Erickson on Dec 19, 2011 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah I like to believe that John and Pete have it covered. I just love a good run game.

Linebacker is definitely a need though. You could see it on the screens and play action. K.J. Wright is a stud though. I still will root for the Hawks to pick up my friend Sean Porter out of A&M. Took over for Von Miller this year. He can rush the passer and is relatively good in space.

by Neonjerseysplease on Dec 19, 2011 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

A late-round pass rusher would be great as well.

Raheem Brock is getting old.

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by EequalsMc2 on Dec 19, 2011 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll be interested to see how Billy Wynn does in the NFL.

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by Bobby Cink on Dec 19, 2011 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Another nice writeup.

This is sort of off-topic, but on the “kudos to JS for his talent evaluation”, can someone maybe do a brief writeup on how talent evaluation works from a nuts-and-bolts perspective? Is Schneider sitting in his throne at VMAC watching tape all day long? What is he looking for? What is the actual skill that makes him see things that 31 other teams maybe did not?

I don’t know, I’d love to learn more about that side of things.

by jhmg16 on Dec 19, 2011 4:26 PM PST reply actions  

I'm thinking there's some major proprietary stuff going on there.

And we’ll never know what JS does exactly.

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