Seahawks Fall Short, Lose to 49ers 19-17
Well, this game turned out to be pretty much exactly how we figured it would be. Chippy. Sluggish. Smashmouth. Intense. It was a playoff atmosphere at the CLink tonight, and we were treated to what I thought was an excellent game. Lead changes, swings of momentum, late game heroics to keep the dream alive. All in all, I was highly entertained.
I don't think I've experienced the butterflies that I had before and during this game since last year's New Orleans Wildcard game and this San Francisco - Seattle rivalry is becoming a thing of beauty. It was a battle from the kickoff to final kneel down. The NFC West is no longer a soft, pushover division, that's for damn sure.
Here are some of my thoughts on the game, with obviously more to come once I've digested and re-watched a few times.
- I thought, for the most part, that the Seahawks played very tough and displayed that physical, hard-nosed identity we've been talking about here so much this season. They didn't back down to the 11-3 NFC West Champions, a team that dismantled Pittsburgh last week, and really did give their opponent a run for their money. Credit goes to the 49ers for playing equally as tough, and their identity and philosophy shined through as well, but I don't think the gap between these two teams in terms of talent and potential is very great. That's not meant to be a knock on the Niners but more of a compliment to this Seahawks team, a team that is infinitely tougher and more dangerous than the team from one year ago, in my opinion.
- I loved that the Seahawks were able to run the ball against San Francisco, and Marshawn Lynch and the cobbled together Seahawks' offensive line made a statement in this one.
One - Marshawn Lynch ran for 100+ yards, the first time any running back has done that against the 49ers since 2009, a streak of 36 games. Two, Marshawn Lynch rushed for a touchdown agains the 49ers defense, the first rushing TD they've given up this season, an NFL record 14 games.
If there's one thing that you want to take away from this game is that the Seahawks can and did run the football against the best of the best at defending it. I consider myself a pretty levelheaded fan but I really am beaming with pride about that. I was up, fist pumping, as Lynch ran in that touchdown, so hard that I literally think I gave myself tennis elbow.
- That said, the Seahawks' run defense didn't fare quite as well. They gave up 178 yards on the ground on 4.5 ypc and a touchdown. The Niners were able to execute their gameplan for the most part and my hopes that the Seahawks would make Alex Smith beat them with his arm never really materialized. I thought Smith played fine, he finished 14 for 26 for 179 yards and a 75.6 rating, but he did make some big plays at big times.
Leroy Hill had a rough night, especially on the 49ers third quarter scoring drive where both he and Clemons missed a chance to sack Smith for a big loss on third down, and instead he gained three yards. The Niners converted the fourth down, continued to march, including a pass to Vernon Davis in which Hill was exploited again, and scored the go-ahead TD. I didn't notice Hill perform badly in particular outside that drive, but that was a big one.
I just didn't feel especially good about the defense on a whole in this one. There were individual heroic plays but overall, giving up 349 yards to this 49er offense at home is disappointing. I think it started up front, where the normally dominant defensive line didn't play their best game. Alex Smith was able to run around too much in the backfield and had several backbreaking and demoralizing scrambles. This is becoming a problem and one that teams are now gameplanning in. It, again, goes to the size on the Seahawks' line and it's something that the Seahawks defensive coordinators are going to have to adjust for with their linebacker corps.
- The special teams unit had a rough outing up until Heath Farwell broke through the line to block a punt with 6:58 remaining. Up until then, I thought they were outplayed by the 49er unit; Leon was awful on returns, the Hawks were giving up big chunks of yardage on their coverage, and in the 2nd half, the deepest the Niners started was their own 20. That's not winning the field position game.
In contrast Seattle started their drives in the 2nd half at the 15, 14, 16, 4, 19, then 26.
- Tarvaris Jackson and the Seahawks' offense, outside of Lynch's 4-yard touchdown in the fourth quarter, was not impressive in the second half.
Trailing 19-17 late in the fourth quarter, in particular, the ball-control, possession style of offense went out the window and this was a gameplan that Jackson isn't especially adept with. The Niners clamped down on defense, getting sacks at key times, and Jackson fumbled the ball on a scramble attempt with 1:18 remaining trying to run for a first down on 3rd and 3 just inside the 49ers end of the field. At that point, it looked like the game would be over, but the Seahawks defense, buoyed by three timeouts, held stiff and forced a San Francisco punt with :52 seconds remaining.
On the ensuing drive, Jackson passed to Justin Forsett out of the backfield, and Force inexplicably didn't go out of bounds, though he had a clear opportunity to do so. Bonehead play number one. Seattle then clocked the football. Third down, deep pass down the middle with no time outs and 23 seconds remaining. Bonehead play number two. Fourth down, Tarvaris Jackson throws the ball out of bounds. Wow. What a great drive.
What an awful way to end what was a decent performance by both teams. It wasn't pretty all the time, but it was a fun football game to watch with a great, cut the tension with a knife style atmosphere. I'm still running on adrenaline a little bit so I'm certain I'm missing a ton of points about this game, but that's what I got right now.
A lot to take away from this game and we'll have a lot of things to break down this week. I'm encouraged about this team, that's for sure, but man that was a heartbreaker. What do you guys and girls think?
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I love Earl Thomas
I’m not sure anyone can justify Jackson as starter next year.
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We may not have a choice
There are probably a dozen or so QBs in the league every year who have “unjustified” starting jobs, right?
"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."
I love Von Miller
I’m not sure anyone can justify Tebow as starter next year.
Rinse and repeat for Browns, Jets, Redskins, etc.
by Stay Off the Flowers on Dec 24, 2011 5:55 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I think they're stuck with Tebow
Which is really fucking wonderful. I love it.
That defense is awesome though.
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by Thomas Beekers on Dec 24, 2011 5:56 PM PST up reply actions
Everyone thought Alex Smith was garbage
last year and Kevin Kolb was the bell of the ball. Let’s not forget how Hasselbeck was done. Stick a fork in him.
Hasselbeck is done. He threw two more INTs and is struggling to break 60% accuracy.
Tarvaris Jackson has shown little consistency in 6 years in the NFL. I have no idea what this is supposed to mean.
He was benched for poor play and then replaced by a 390 year old Brett Favre because they knew they couldn’t contend with Jackson. And Minnesota’s 2006-2008 offense is infinitely more talented than the 2011 Seattle Seahawks.
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Jackson frustrated me so much with that fumble.
My biggest knock on him is that he has zero pocket awareness. His lack of awareness led to a boneheaded, half rush attempt that resulted in the fumble. This is why he’s a serviceable QB, but not one worth building a team around.
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by Blazer_Fan_Nick on Dec 24, 2011 5:28 PM PST reply actions
I was there and
Yes the Jackson fumble was incredibly bad but I thought the throw away on fourth down showed either a uncompetitive nature or a cOmplete unawareness of the game time situation by Jackson. I’m unwilling to support a Seattle quarterback with either traits
by jaredmt on Dec 24, 2011 5:34 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
If this is the way things going with 3/5 of our line missing, our two best recievers injured and a subpar starting QB
The future’s so bright we gotta wear shades.
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by EequalsMc2 on Dec 24, 2011 5:30 PM PST reply actions 7 recs
This.
Despite how frustrating this loss was I am still really excited for the next few years. PC/JS are starting to mold this team into a real contender and we are on QB away from contending for championships. I honestly couldn’t be more excited about the direction of this franchise right now.
Browner was brought back to earth
He cannot handle speedy receivers and still doesn’t look for the ball properly. I thought Sherman outperformed him.
Our secondary wasn’t that bad, but our linebackers were. Terrible pass rushing and awful in everything. 176 yards rushing by the 49ers and this is becoming a trend. Our run D is collapsing just like it does every year and it’s not even injury. They’re getting pounded on the inside and it doesn’t seem like Mebane is factoring much this last few weeks.
The defense did well enough, but Jackson cannot lead an offense. He’s just too terrible to be anything than a back-up QB. He’s not an NFL starter in the slightest, which is why he was benched for 65 year old Gus Frerotte.
Oh well, no playoffs, so now we can talk QBs and DEs all offseason long.
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Is there anyway...
that Miami or Indianapolis won’t get the 1st overall pick?
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
Well...Miami probably won't get the 1st overall pick. Just a hunch.
You mean St. Louis?
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I thought we want St. Louis to pick first.
So we have a chance to trade up?
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We're too far down for us to realistically expect this FO to trade up
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by Thomas Beekers on Dec 24, 2011 5:36 PM PST up reply actions
I really really doubt the Rams give Luck to a division rival
No matter how many picks they get in return
by Brendan O'Leary on Dec 24, 2011 5:44 PM PST up reply actions
I have a hard time believing they would do that as well.
Jackson played today like he has most of the year, flashes of franchise QB, but overall just a mediocre QB with a bullet arm and no pocket awareness. I would love nothing more than to trade with the rams for Luck but I don’t see the Rams getting the first pick or trading it to us.
by Seahawk_Superbowl on Dec 24, 2011 11:15 PM PST up reply actions
I'm confused.
The Rams are not trading us Luck if that’s what you’re cogitating
"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."
If one of Rams/Colts wins and the other one does not, the one losing gets the pick
Otherwise, it belongs to the Colts
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by Thomas Beekers on Dec 24, 2011 5:36 PM PST up reply actions
Run D
You think it has something to do with there conditioning and they are just running out of gas near the end of the season?
by EinhornIsFinkle on Dec 24, 2011 5:34 PM PST up reply actions
SF focuses on the run game
That is there strength, so it’s not very surprising to me. Add to that the competition we have been defending most the year and it makes sense.
by Seahawk_Superbowl on Dec 24, 2011 11:16 PM PST up reply actions
Browner's always been playing at this level, the "pro bowl" talk was a bit silly and mostly just based on standout plays
This whole run D defense would be very interesting to analyze.
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by Thomas Beekers on Dec 24, 2011 5:35 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
The Pro Bowl talk is based on INTs
Which is silly because Brian Russell once had 8 INTs in a season.
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I'm not sure what the general feeling is around here on EPA.
But advancednflstats had Browner as the #2 CB in the NFL this year, although I’m sure that is largely influenced by unsustainable int’s.
EPA/WPA isn't a good stat to analyze individual players
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by Thomas Beekers on Dec 24, 2011 5:41 PM PST up reply actions
Is there any sort of all-in-one stat that you like to look to to get a general idea?
Or is it more difficult than that.
It is
PFF’s grading system is a joke, ANS shows an incomplete picture. FBO’s might be best but it’s not up-to-date because they don’t have a ton of trackers.
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by Thomas Beekers on Dec 24, 2011 5:48 PM PST up reply actions
I've said this before
But it bears repeating. Advanced NFL Stats measure for defensive players is EPA+. That’s the EPA of all positive plays in which the player was involved. It does not count negative plays, because honestly, should you penalize a safety for making a tackle twenty yards downfield that saved a TD?
This tends to elevate high-variance players. Guys who make big plays, but give up big plays. It’s a good place to start a discussion, but keep this limitation in mind.
I don't see how it's even a good place to start discussion
It’s essentially meaningless, especially for players where big plays define your position, like cornerbacks or safeties.
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by Thomas Beekers on Dec 24, 2011 5:57 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Does WPA work in that same way?
I know in baseball a bad play lowers your WPA, if a corner back gives up a 25 yard pass to his man does the negative change in win expetency not get counted?
Baseball's assignments are very clear cut
In football, it’s difficult to tell if the pass was completed because the corner screwed up, or if somebody else missed an assignment. So WPA in football is mainly team based, from my understanding.
Yup
And again, AdvancedNFLStats defensive numbers (and not, one should note, their offensive numbers) are only EPA+ and WPA+. They do not count negative plays against.
This is due to limitations in the play-by-play data and, like MT Olson notes, the inability to assign responsibility.
Sherman got beat bad twice by crabtree
Only thing that saved him was a drop and a bobble out of bounds. That said he’s competitive as hell and I like him
by jaredmt on Dec 24, 2011 5:36 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
It seemed more like he was in a shallow zone coverage
and there wasnt much help over the top. Maybe something to look at on film replay.
by RawkEmHawkEmBirdbots on Dec 24, 2011 7:09 PM PST up reply actions
Random hatred
Anthony Davis
Another W..Merry Christmas..Fuck the Seahawks.. Scott Mcloughan eat shit..
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McLoughan did make the guarantee
So I guess the trash talk is warranted
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What he said was "we’re going to beat the hell out of ‘em".
I think Kyle Williams would be forced to agree with that statement.
by Mind of no mind on Dec 24, 2011 6:02 PM PST up reply actions
yeah a cheap hit when the Guy is on his knees
kudos
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by Grabtree15 on Dec 24, 2011 6:12 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
There was no whistle
Kyle Williams stopped playing, Seahawks didn’t. There was no cheap shot.
by Vpk0718 on Dec 24, 2011 6:45 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
This.
You play until you hear the whistle. This isn’t much different than when Willis broke Hasselbeck’s ribs when he crushed him as he was going down. Sure you’ll find some Hawk fans that called that a cheap shot, but it wasn’t, it’s just football.
by Mind of no mind on Dec 24, 2011 6:57 PM PST up reply actions
the difference is that hasselbeck was still advancing the football
and williams was down. The rule is that you can’t hit a player in that situation. You might disagree with the rule, but that’s another issue.
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 8:41 PM PST up reply actions
I think it was fine worthy.
But I don’t believe it was a “cheap shot” because it seems to me that neither defender had any clue he was down, and both acting to prevent him from standing up and running again. He obviously didn’t. I can’t imagine there were enough signs in the half second they had to decide to convince either player that withholding a tackle was a good idea. No whistle, player moving upward, him being untouched. A hard call to make on the field.
hasselbeck dove forward and willis met him to stop his momentum
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 9:37 PM PST up reply actions
Unnecesary to stop his momentum.
Touch him, no more progress.
This is not true.
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by Thomas Beekers on Dec 27, 2011 4:57 AM PST up reply actions
Also, that's not what the flag got thrown for.
The flag was for helmet-to-helmet.
Yup.
The way the hit happened made it look vicious, but it wasn’t, how was Robinson supposed to know Williams gave himself up? There was no whistle, I’m sorry Williams was hurt and hope he’s okay and back soon, but I don’t like that penalty call. Also Mike Pereria saying that Robinson just needs to touch him down? Why, the hawks were trying to get the football.
NFL rules state
That when the ball carrier gives up, the play is dead…
I was a sucky penalty, but fair. I hate it, but if it was leon, we’d be up in arms
Smashmouth is the new sexy!
by pqlqi on Dec 24, 2011 7:03 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Was there a whistle blown though? If they player gives himself up isn't the play still live until the whistle?
It’s possible I missed a blown whistle as well.
It's not
If a receiver/returner “gives up” he needs to be touched down, and only then can the whistle be blown. Ref can’t whistle the play dead until a player is touched down.
But! A defender can’t hit a receiver/returner as he’s given up, you may only touch him down. That’s why it was a penalty.
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by Thomas Beekers on Dec 24, 2011 7:09 PM PST up reply actions
No it doesn't
You’re supposed to play until the whistle…..not until the player “gives up.”
by wobbly wobbly on Dec 24, 2011 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
That's the common law rule, sure.
But the statute has been on the books since the 70s, according to the announcers.
"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."
I don't care about the stupid crowd reactions to injuries
Nor do I care about the stupid thread derails about said subject.
Lay it to rest. People who won’t will be banned.
Did he really give himself up?
Looked to me like he lost his footing and slid. Then when getting up he got hit.
That is why you "tag" the player down.
Not hit him.
So what happens if Williams gets up, realizes the play isn't over, and starts running?
Fuck that rule. Seriously. The players only hit him after he looked like he was getting up.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 24, 2011 11:07 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think it would have been as much of an issue
had it not been helmet to helmet
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 11:09 PM PST up reply actions
I didn't see a helmet-to-helmet shot either.
I think Mike Pereira made the right call in the booth, but that’s not what the Refs saw. Pereira didn’t say anything about a H-2-H shot either, so I don’t think he saw one either. The ref that threw the flag had a bad angle on the play and thought he saw it. I saw a shoulder hit from behind and Robinson shoulder hitting from the front. Helmets bumped after the shoulder hits.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 24, 2011 11:11 PM PST up reply actions
This is not true
Look back to that play in week 4-5 that Victor Cruz caught the ball, dove forward, layed there for about 2 seconds, dropped the ball and got up to go back to the huddle. The defender never touched him down and the Giants kept the ball, the ref citing “he gave himself up”.
by Seahawk_Superbowl on Dec 24, 2011 11:24 PM PST up reply actions
Unless it's a Seahawk
then it’s cool.
by wobbly wobbly on Dec 24, 2011 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
Is anyone alarmed by Bevell's complete abandonment of the quick passing game?
It’s like everything stopped after the Baldwin TD.
Maybe it’s Jackson not making the throws, but I’m not pleased that so many throws were going deep.
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by SSreporters on Dec 24, 2011 5:38 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
While Tavaris makes a great scapegoat.
I think this is largely on the defense, only two sacks, one in essentially garbage time, too many big passes given up. We had chance to stuff the niners with a 17-16 lead and instead gave up another deep bomb from Alex Smith. Zero take aways by the defense is also pretty rough, we needed one big play/stop and we couldn’t seem to get one from the defense (thank god for Farwell).
Also remember that our #1 and #2 recievers were out, maybe one of the reasons Tavaris was having such a hard time is because no one is able to get open in the backfield, really hard to evaluate that without all-22 tape though.
The defense was on the field for too long.
Blame TJax for not making first downs.
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What pisses me off is that his answer to pressure is throwing up a prayer
Or throwing it out of bounds. He refuses to make tight throws and I wonder if the coaching staff is telling him to minimize his mistakes that way.
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by SSreporters on Dec 24, 2011 5:40 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I guess it might be because of the line.
They did a lot of that at the beginning of the season but the line hasn’t matured enough for it.
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Wait wait wait you think he throws it away too often?!?
He never throws it away in pressure! That’s like my biggest criticism of the guy!
I met a possum.
by s0merand0mdude on Dec 25, 2011 12:44 AM PST up reply actions
Holding the opposition to 19 points should normally be enough to win you a game
The offense was shut down for 66 total yards in the 2nd half.
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Maybe against a lower class team but when the opponent gives up on average 13 points per game.
You really need a big game from your defense, 350 yards and zero take aways just wasn’t good enough.
Of course, this defense has gotten most of its takeaways on interceptions
And the Niners entire offense is predicated on not throwing the ball enough to be intercepted. Forcing fumbles is a totally different animal, and something this defense hasn’t exactly done with regularity.
by Matt Erickson on Dec 24, 2011 6:58 PM PST up reply actions
His decision making abilities are terrible.
So many dumb mistakes, it’s hard to watch.
by EinhornIsFinkle on Dec 24, 2011 5:42 PM PST up reply actions
He's actually worse than Seneca
Even Seneca on a good day extends plays better than Jackson, who gives up the moment he doesn’t have an open man.
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No doubt, I really want to know what goes on in that guys brain?
If anything at all does goes on.
by EinhornIsFinkle on Dec 24, 2011 5:46 PM PST up reply actions
No he's not
Are we going to do this song and dance every time Jackson has his predictably bad game? He’s always been a really up and down QB, that’s his thing. Don’t be distracted by his worst games, don’t be distracted by his best, neither define who he is. He’s not the kind of QB you want leading a 2-minute comeback. He’s not our QB of the future. Over the year, he’s proven to be an adequate stopgap. Which is what he was brought in for.
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by Thomas Beekers on Dec 24, 2011 5:49 PM PST up reply actions 13 recs
Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you
All this crapping on Tjax as if he let us down and hasn’t lived up to expectations is absurd and irritating. He’s outshone all expectations this year, given he’s been serviceable and even good at times, and everyone expected him to be terrible.
The guy is an absolute champ, even if he doesn’t have the skillset to be an elite QB that saves the Seahawks right now. I love his attitude, his toughness, and his motivation, and I think he is a big reason why the team has the attitude it does.
Take him for what he is, and move on. Quit whining that he’s not the answer, because he was never supposed to be.
by Matt Erickson on Dec 24, 2011 7:01 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
I can think of several guys that bring way more attitude to this team than Jackson.
Just because he hasn’t been consistently terrible doesn’t mean people can’t complain when he shits the bed.
I honestly don't have a clue what you're talking about when you discuss Jackson as a player.
To me, he looks listless and inattentive, and his lack of awareness on the field is striking for a player that is supposedly “tough” or has “attitude”.
What does any of that have to do whether he's worse than Seneca or not?
It’s not absurd to make that argument that Seneca would be better.
Seriously. Seneca is also an up and down QB
But even he occasionally led a game-winning drive and didn’t hopelessly f*** up like Jackson does.
With Jackson’s comebacks we don’t even get into FG range.
Seneca also extends plays (when he’s not self-sacking) much better than Jackson currently does.
The only thing I can say Jackson does consistently better is throw the deep ball. He’s got a great deep throw.
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by SSreporters on Dec 25, 2011 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
"He's not our QB of the future".
Where have you specifically heard that he’s not?
And also, what worries me is that Jackson has managed to exceed expectations by not COMPLETELY being awful, and thus may just hover around in the minds of Schneider, Pete et al when they’re thinking about potential long-term solutions.
He doesn't have a longterm or valuable contract
Once he has one, we can start to worry. He doesn’t.
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by Thomas Beekers on Dec 25, 2011 7:36 AM PST up reply actions
Rick Mirer called...
he said Tavaris needs to make up his damn mind and throw the ball.
And then Dan McGuire called and said he should learn how to avoid pressure.
Dave Krieg and Warren Moon about holding onto the ball
John Kitna and his accuracy
Stan Gelbaugh something something
GET OFF ME!
He's not the scapegoat.
He’s the goat. His limitation’s even when he’s not actively fucking things up are just debilitating when we face a good defense.
I'm so positive, you'll need AZT later.
TJack fumbled the ball with 1 minute left with a chance to win the game
and it’s not his fault? I agree that the game comes down to many plays but that was definitely the most costly.
by Seahawk_Superbowl on Dec 24, 2011 11:28 PM PST up reply actions
No one was getting open downfield, either
Not entirely his fault, but he needs to learn how to throw it away.
I met a possum.
by s0merand0mdude on Dec 25, 2011 12:47 AM PST up reply actions
He was running for the first, and probably would have made it.
I’m not opposed to what his decision was as he was trying to make something happen. But if you’re going to tuck it and run, SECURE THE FUCKING FOOTBALL.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 25, 2011 2:52 AM PST up reply actions
I thought Jackson managed well despite facing a top5 DEF...
He game-managed like he was suppose to do, don’t forget: this SF team is #2 in takeaways heading into this game. (And no Patrick Willis.)
I thought his play was adequate and that we couldn’t capitalize on missed opportunities. (First 3 possessions after the half were two 3 n’ outs and a 5play punt.)
This same top 5 DEF gave up 3 TD passes to John Skelton
San Fran can be thrown on, Jackson doesn’t take advantage.
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by SSreporters on Dec 24, 2011 5:42 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Exactly.
I thought we had a vertical passing game?
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
Not a deep threat...
Sidney went down a few weeks ago, if you forgot.
We had no one that could stretch this field, for this game. Lockette’s grab was alll luck.
Then every catch is luck.
Lockette was open, Jackson threw a perfect pass. Luck?
Most of my cliches aren't original.
- Chuck Knox
scheme, wise.
No one knew that play was coming, almost trick play. I didn’t know he was even on the roster until that play.
Not discrediting the play but he wasn’t targeted the rest of the game: trick play.
He did have another target.
But it was incomplete.
by EinhornIsFinkle on Dec 24, 2011 5:58 PM PST up reply actions
Eh? Did you see him today?
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by Thomas Beekers on Dec 24, 2011 5:48 PM PST up reply actions
until he got two garbage time TDs, he was throwing at about 5 YPA with 3 ints while eating up 5 sacks
The Bengals D is good, but not that good.
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by Thomas Beekers on Dec 24, 2011 5:51 PM PST up reply actions
That's what I said they're good
But their pass D is ranked 22nd in the NFL by DVOA. Ours is 9th.
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by Thomas Beekers on Dec 24, 2011 5:58 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Losing Leon Hall (and not having Joseph to fall back on) was a tremendous blow
He’s a foundation player for that defense, like Earl Thomas is for ours.
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by Thomas Beekers on Dec 24, 2011 5:59 PM PST up reply actions
DVOA is relative to that week or trend
you can’t say our DVOA is 9th (in 16th week) when if fact it was below that mark (26th, if I’m reading it right) when we played them.
Skelton beats Bears, but probably not BattleStar Galactica.
I'm comparing the defenses Skelton is facing this week and next, not our matchup to the Bengals.
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by Thomas Beekers on Dec 24, 2011 6:24 PM PST up reply actions
Tebow is garbage?
So whats the point?
by Seahawk_Superbowl on Dec 24, 2011 11:34 PM PST up reply actions
Skelton is all about taking unnecessary risks.
Sometimes they pay off. I’d rather have Jackson limiting himself than trying to do too much (see fumble, end of game).
Game manage?
Fumbling on a scramble with 1 minute left is not game-managing.
by Seahawk_Superbowl on Dec 24, 2011 11:32 PM PST up reply actions
I haven't posted in forever.
Proud of the way this team played in the 2nd half of the year and even proud of them today. To all the people at NN that think the fans were cheering the Kyle Williams injury…they were not, they were cheering what looked to be a fumble and supporting their team after what fans probably thought was a BS penalty, so get over it.
by MFAN on Dec 24, 2011 5:48 PM PST reply actions 6 recs
Hey MFAN
Stick around!
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by Thomas Beekers on Dec 24, 2011 5:51 PM PST up reply actions
The main thing I'm taking away from this game:
The Seahawks MUST draft a quarterback in next year’s draft. First round, second round, fifth round, it doesn’t matter. There needs to be some indication that the quarterback situation is at least being addressed by the front office. That fumble in the 4th quarter made me wish we were playing on the road so he could be forced to take a separate plane back to Seattle.
Call me sentimental but I want to go back
And commemorate the place with a historical plaque
by Hmph on Dec 24, 2011 5:49 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
I just don't understand this sentiment. Yes we could certainly use a QBOTF but it isn't that simple.
While Tavaris won’t carry us to the superbowl do you really think reaching for a 2nd round caliber QB is going to get us there? If we have the opportunity to get a QB that the FO has dull confidence in then ok, but wouldn’t you rather see us get a strong DE/LB over having a Blaine Gabbert/Christian Ponder/Jake Locker starting next year?
We can't win with T Jack
I wanted to believe, I had my cool-aid bib on, but what did he do to deserve it in this game? the Season on the line? He makes one good play, or not horrible play, on all those bad plays he made and we probably win.
by Great Sergios Ghost on Dec 24, 2011 5:55 PM PST up reply actions
What Tavaris Jackson did was play safe football against one of the top three defenses in the NFL.
The second half was terrible but with a broken down O-line and missing his #1/2 receiving targets he managed a decent completion rate with no dumb give aways against the NFL leader in take aways. If we didn’t have that failed third and goal, or the offensive PI on Morrahs completion we could ahve easily won this game.
Tavaris isn’t a franchise QB but he was a low cost, low risk pick up that has played an amazing December.
by cedarA on Dec 24, 2011 6:03 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, not that amazing
Lynch almost had as many rushing attempts as Tarvaris had passing attempts. It’s that balance Tarvaris needs to be reliable. And y’know, that’s not very sustainable.
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by Thomas Beekers on Dec 24, 2011 6:05 PM PST up reply actions
It's very reliable...
…but reliable doesn’t beat the 12-3 49ers. =S
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- Chuck Knox
That's why he's a bridge QB, a stopgap
He’s not someone you can regularly beat playoff teams with. The fact that our team can beat playoff teams at all is pretty cool.
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by Thomas Beekers on Dec 24, 2011 6:11 PM PST up reply actions
And I was agreeing with you!
Circlejerk.
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by Thomas Beekers on Dec 24, 2011 6:23 PM PST up reply actions
You have an odd definition for what constitues "amazing".
Unless you were “amazed” that he wasn’t his typical dumpster fire self, that is shocking, I agree.
I'm so positive, you'll need AZT later.
I can't seem to find the exact numbers but before today's game I think he was something like
67% completion, no interceptions, and ~700 yards. I’m pretty sure those are elite numbers (albeit SSS).
That's why I'm not demanding a QB be drafted in the first round. Just somewhere.
There are obviously a few more holes to fill on this team. I don’t want us reaching for a Landry Jones or Case Keenum in the first round just so JS/PC can say “We got our QB for the next 10 years!”
But we can’t keep deferring the QB search year after year because we’re not in the position to grab a stud like Luck or Barkley. We never will, unless we regress and have a 3-4 win year, and nobody wants that. Thus, we need to bring in someone that we can either groom for a starting spot later on or compete with TJax for it right away. The front office clearly has a knack for finding value in later rounds of the draft – I suspect that applies to the quarterback position as well.
Call me sentimental but I want to go back
And commemorate the place with a historical plaque
Sorry I should have read your post more clearly, I missed your point.
It’s rough drafting in the middle, and I agree we should try for a QB, if we want to be truly elite we are going to need to get one from somewhere, I just hope it doesn’t involve a desperation first round pick.
I just worry that this whole situation might be exposing a flaw in the FO's rebuilding strategy.
The thought process has apparently been: address all the needs on the team except for QB, which is saved for the very last so that you have a SB-caliber team the moment he shows up to training camp.
The problem we have now is figuring out how we get that quarterback now that we’ve essentially put ourselves in that 6-to-8 win morass that everyone feared. Take a QB in the first round? You’ll almost certainly be reaching. Trade up? You’ll have to package a boatload of picks to the other team. Later rounds? Most likely you’re getting a 2- or 3-year project. Free agency? Take your pick between Orton-esque castoffs and Flynn-like flyers; either way, the window will be substantially smaller than it would be drafting a rookie.
Don’t get me wrong – I like the direction the team is going in. But this is the most important year of the rebuild, IMO – the year where Pete and John say, “We’ve got the orchestra in place – now let’s find a conductor.” After today’s performance, it’s clear that Tarvaris is not that man. And I suspect the team will not get much better until they at least start looking for him.
Call me sentimental but I want to go back
And commemorate the place with a historical plaque
by Hmph on Dec 24, 2011 6:19 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Steelers and Ravens were both built this way...
…though I don’t think it’s ever intentional. A soild team – OL first – can compete year to year as the other peices rotate in and out… at least that’s what I’ve observed. Eventually you will land a solid to great QB and I think every team is always looking for one. It’s just a philosophical argument – had many times here and to be had many times more – about how much to risk on a top five pick who could be Ryan Leaf or David Carr.
Most of my cliches aren't original.
- Chuck Knox
Then it's going to have to be free agent or trade
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Jackson, Portis, and X
WHO WILL BE X!? Enquiring minds wanna know.
Most of my cliches aren't original.
- Chuck Knox
Drew Brees
5000 yard passing with Lynch going for 1800, ET and Chacellor are 1 and 2 in voting respectively for defensive player of the year awards, Superbowl victory, entire city of Seattle destroyed from mass orgasm.
Do or do not, there is no try-Yoda
by ironheart777 on Dec 24, 2011 6:28 PM PST up reply actions
In this fantasyland,
Do they have an above average offense?
I'm just a simple Giants fan trying to make my way in the universe.
by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Dec 24, 2011 7:49 PM PST up reply actions
Ichiro has a .339 RBI
Jason Vargas Kicks ass, Guitirez ( spelling?) simply laughs when he is on bat on his way to smashing slugging records and we are instantly awarded a national championship after we record the first undefeated regular season in MLB history
Do or do not, there is no try-Yoda
by ironheart777 on Dec 24, 2011 8:55 PM PST up reply actions
Also Hachiko was super awesome
Wait
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by Thomas Beekers on Dec 24, 2011 8:55 PM PST up reply actions
yeah he knocks in. 339 runs every time he farts
The Department of Redundancy Department is hiring, maybe I should apply myself.
by SGT Lenny on Dec 25, 2011 12:18 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Whoops
poorly said. He has 339 Runs batted in lets put it that way.
Do or do not, there is no try-Yoda
by ironheart777 on Dec 25, 2011 1:07 AM PST up reply actions
Now let's not get crazy here
Keep it in the realm of possibility.
"That's funny. I post here all the time and I never see (you) here."
- GreatGoogly, to John Morgan
"John Morgan IS Field Gulls, asshole!"
Barf. I hate any talk of the FO "must do this" or "must do that."
The FO must strive to make the team better, not pigeonhole themselves into making bonehead decisions out of desperation.
This was a moment for Tarvaris...
…to jam his foot in the door closing on him being THE quarterback for the Seattle Seahawks. I don’t think he lost the game, but he sure had some opportunities to win it, moments that 5-10 year starters – QBs who deserve to NOT have their potential replacement constantly talked about and speculated about – would have made a play.
1. The 3rd and 1 “oops” play were everyone thought we false started. Score a TD there, T-Jack; we’ll start to believe.
2. The two drives that ended the game. A fumble literally, and then a fumble spiritually. Go get the ‘Hawks in field goal range, T-Jack, and we’ll start to believe.
As the game was winding down I kept thinking, “if Tarvaris is the guy, this is HIS moment.”
He didn’t seize his moment. As Merlin said to Uther in Excalibur, “You betrayed the Duke, You stole his wife. You took his castle. Now no one trusted you. You’re not the one.”
Most of my cliches aren't original.
- Chuck Knox
by Azimeir on Dec 24, 2011 5:51 PM PST reply actions 8 recs
That movie came out what, 30 years ago?
This is officially the first time it has ever been quoted.
"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."
by shams on Dec 24, 2011 5:56 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Now, once more, I must ride with my knights to defend what was, and the dream of what could be.
by Great Sergios Ghost on Dec 24, 2011 5:58 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Between the two of you I almost want to watch the movie
Wait—- ok, it passed, phew.
"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."
by shams on Dec 24, 2011 6:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I was not meant to live a man's life but to be the stuff of... future memory.
I use that one on the chicks. >=)
Most of my cliches aren't original.
- Chuck Knox
by Azimeir on Dec 24, 2011 6:06 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
beautifully spoken.
Well said. Nothing against tjax; i think most of us wanted to be convinced that he had the potential. He doesn’t, and now we don’t need to feel guilty.
by the.silver.standard on Dec 24, 2011 6:02 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
The histrionics about TJ are silly
He performed exactly as anyone who’s watched him all year would expect – good at times, bad at others. This time he was good early, and bad late. He’s a stop-gap and he was never the QBOTF.
by kow on Dec 24, 2011 5:56 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
He's wildly inconsistent
Which is why i don’t get excited when he has a string of games with no INTs like now.
I hope they get it right next year. They overspent for a 3rd string and have a 2nd string QB as their full-time starter.
They’ve got many other pieces of the puzzle down pat well.
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Also who isn't fucking psyched about this division?
This rivalry will be great for years, and I love that the teams in the NFCW are playing tough football.
I don't care about rivalry. I want titles.
The point is to win, not to win with drama.
I'm so positive, you'll need AZT later.
Winning with drama
is much more fun though
Do or do not, there is no try-Yoda
by ironheart777 on Dec 24, 2011 6:28 PM PST up reply actions
That's cool and all, but
Can you honestly think of any game in the 2005 season that was as satisfying as beating the Saints last year?
Yes. NFCC.
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by Thomas Beekers on Dec 24, 2011 6:31 PM PST up reply actions
I was gratified by that game, but it wasn't as satisfying to me.
I mean, if you don’t care about the drama, you could just as easily watch the game on GameCast and get just as much out of it.
I don't understand what you mean to say by that.
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by Thomas Beekers on Dec 24, 2011 6:34 PM PST up reply actions
I think you're really undervaluing the drama and narrative value of sports.
I’m willing to agree to disagree, though, because this gets pretty deep into some subjective stuff that’s pretty hard to argue on the internet.
Me? I haven't said anything about drama
The 2005-2006 NFCC is my favorite game in Seahawks history.
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by Thomas Beekers on Dec 24, 2011 6:42 PM PST up reply actions
Straight off one of the finest seasons in WR history
We shut his ass out.
Glory.
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by Thomas Beekers on Dec 24, 2011 6:45 PM PST up reply actions
This game I have on DVD (2 copies just in case)
Maybe the best ’Hawks victory ever?
by Seahawk_Superbowl on Dec 24, 2011 11:46 PM PST up reply actions
I care, because highly competitive divisions tend to produce better, more well-rounded, more playoff-ready teams
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by Thomas Beekers on Dec 24, 2011 6:31 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
And the Cleveland Browns... =S
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- Chuck Knox
by Azimeir on Dec 24, 2011 6:34 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I know we lost
But how great was it for Lynch to break that touchdown streak? He’s at 11, and the NFL record is 18.
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Really happy he got in and 100 yards, would trade both of them for the win though.
With they way Lynch ran this would have been such an awesome win to get. Ughh, this one stinks, I hate the niners.
It sucks that our offensive sputters directly coincided with Lynch not getting the ball
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Streak of games with a rush TD, I assume
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by Thomas Beekers on Dec 24, 2011 7:33 PM PST up reply actions
Seahawks likely schedule next season
HOME: NFC West opp, New England, NY Jets, Minnesota, Green Bay, one of Atlanta/NO/CAR.
AWAY: NFC West opp, Buffalo, Miami, Detroit, Chicago (AGAIN?!), one of Dallas/NYG/PHI.
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When will we get
Pittsburg at home?
Do or do not, there is no try-Yoda
by ironheart777 on Dec 24, 2011 6:29 PM PST up reply actions
Do we want it to happen?
I don’t want to see 25,000 Steeler fans at the CLink.
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by SSreporters on Dec 25, 2011 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
Chicago again huh?
What the hell, and I bet we face them away as well.
Don't be an idiot. If an idiot would do that, then don't do it. Muahahahaaha back on twitter
Really too early prediction for 2012 Season: 9-7
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I think Cam would kill our defense
No matter how improved we are.
But their D has to get better. Has to.
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We have played the Bears nine times since 2004 including playoffs.
At this point they are basically a fourth divisional rival.
IIRC, there is a rule that
Teams facing AFC/NFC West teams don’t have to make the two longest trips in their season, which flips home/away status for those games.
Also known as east coast bias.
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by Thomas Beekers on Dec 24, 2011 8:34 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Anyone watching the bowl game today?
Don't be an idiot. If an idiot would do that, then don't do it. Muahahahaaha back on twitter
Got a feeling that with the following that Lynch gets
He might be a Pro Bowler. Probably will get 1200+ yards rushing and has been a very good receiving back as of late.
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Got to love how every time we lose we get Ron Pitts
That’s 3 Pitts games and 3 losses by 3 points, 6 points, and 2 points.
17-16 and Akers kicks the FG – “And the tie is broken!”
I hate FOX.
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Where's Gus Johnson when you need him?
Don't be an idiot. If an idiot would do that, then don't do it. Muahahahaaha back on twitter
/currently living in a hole Down Under.
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He meant the tie for the record for field goals in a season....I think.
Still a weird thing to say at that time.
That's still not correct
Akers already broke it when he made the 16-10 FG.
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Since I work Saturdays I had to miss the game (thanks a lot calender for screwing me out of my Sunday football)
Is it worth watching on Game Rewind?
It's educational
It’s not pleasant.
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by Thomas Beekers on Dec 24, 2011 7:34 PM PST up reply actions
Throw some cinnamon and nutmeg in there, and you have a fucking divine drink mix for Christmas.
by Benne on Dec 24, 2011 9:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Well that does sound pretty fantastic.
Last week I decided to try steamed peppermint milk and rum, it twas quite the holiday treat. I love Christmas! It’s the only time of the year where you can get away with drinking at any time of the day, as long as it’s in the form of a holiday drink.
Eh
There are some pretty awesome moments. Watch until we are on the 45 yard line with 2 minutes left and pretend T-Jack had a awesome drive that led to a Houshka field gull while the clock winded down to :00
Do or do not, there is no try-Yoda
by ironheart777 on Dec 24, 2011 8:57 PM PST up reply actions
Did anybody really think there was a chance in hell of TJ leading a final scoring drive?
Has he ever led one? Has he ever been good when it really matters? And why the hell throw away the ball on the last play of the game ? I had to get that out. I’m okay now. Merry Xmas yall.
I thought he could get the Hawks into field goal range on the 2nd to last drive.
I didn’t have much hope on the last one, but that would have taken a minor miracle on that one and sadly I don’t think he was trying to throw the ball away.
I hate everybody for that blocked punt.
Why could not he just flip it out the back for a safety instead? 2 points is less then 3, and 7.
Take Aways
49ers fans are far and away the most nonsensical blowhards in the entire NFL. Good lord. Screaming non stop for 4 hours about “SEE IT ONLY TAKES ONE SEASON TO BUILD A CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM, HOW MANY RINGS DO THE SEAHAWKS HAVE”. You haven’t been to the playoffs in 9 years, you have been legitimately one of the most disappointing teams for how stacked your defense has been in that time frame. Shut up. You won, shake the hands of the nice fans around you that didn’t throw beer at you and go home.
Jim Harbaugh is a classless idiot and judging by the amount of non calls for personal fouls and late hits on the Niners, he is breeding an environment for the sort. Can’t wait for somebody to annihilate them in the playoffs, he’ll get out coached the first game. You can’t inherit a world class top 5 defense and somehow be a genius, doesn’t work that way.
The defense kind of stunk when they needed to be really good. Would love to see this team with WT3 and Trufant, o well. Too young to think they will regress. Earl Thomas might be one of the best players in the NFL.
by Hancock.Brett on Dec 24, 2011 8:46 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
Trufant is done. Cooked. Finito.
Agreed on WT3 but Trufant is just….blah. He’s really bad when “healthy” after that 2007 Pro Bowl season.
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Yea, probably right
But still, felt like he wouldn’t have gotten beat on that deep ball. Also probably doesn’t make any of the plays that Sherman did. Give and take.
by Hancock.Brett on Dec 24, 2011 8:51 PM PST up reply actions
you're the only person I've seen say this
"SEE IT ONLY TAKES ONE SEASON TO BUILD A CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM, HOW MANY RINGS DO THE SEAHAWKS HAVE"
And what exactly did Jim Harbaugh do to have you label him as a classless idiot?
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 8:53 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
he acts like he's coaching a highschool football team
throwing his play sheet on the ground, running onto the field in the middle of plays frequently, the end of the Lions game, his general demeanor on the sidelines resembles a clown at a kids party. Although I guess the franchise that previously employed Mike Nolan and Singletary knows how to pick em.
by Hancock.Brett on Dec 24, 2011 8:56 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
this entire thing is going to turn into the Bruins vs. Canucks argument last year
Trying to convince a fan that their team employs a giant cavalcade of idiots is pointless. Enjoy your win and Merry Christmas.
by Hancock.Brett on Dec 24, 2011 8:58 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
funny that the only fans who thought that Harbaugh was the one at fault were Lions and Seahawks fans
even the cardinals over at revenge of the birds said that Schwartz was the one out of line. You really come off as just being mad about these things because you hate the 49ers. Merry Christmas to you.
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 8:59 PM PST up reply actions
I'll never be an objective fan
Fuck the 49ers
by Hancock.Brett on Dec 24, 2011 9:09 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
well, at least you're honest
but seeing as it’s past midnight and now christmas, I don’t have it in me to argue about this anymore. Good game and merry christmas to you.
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 9:16 PM PST up reply actions
He wasn't.
You still hanging around? Not sure how much more validation we can offer.
"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."
Harbaugh is a prick.
Great coach, but a world class prick. And that’s saying something considering his chosen profession.
I'm so positive, you'll need AZT later.
by Steen on Dec 24, 2011 10:08 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
but he's also the kind of coach that players rally around
and while he’s a bit of a prick to people outside of his team, he’s the opposite with his team. All part of the us vs. them mentality that he’s cultivating. I do sometimes enjoy his sarcastic responses when a reporter asks a stupid question though. Just kinda funny.
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
he's very much cultivated an us vs. them mentality for his team and the rest of the legue
That really turns some people off and I can understand it. But yeah, I think he’s done a great job coaching too. I also think Pete Caroll did a great job turning the seahawks season around.
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 9:03 PM PST up reply actions
Really?
I don’t see it. His offense is awful and he inherited a fantastic defense. His entire gameplan has consisted of not letting Alex Smith throw it more then 15 times a game.
by Hancock.Brett on Dec 24, 2011 9:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
everyone was talking in the offseason about all the talent they let walk on defense
and the defense is MUUUCH better this year.
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 9:13 PM PST up reply actions
That defense was clueless last year
And now they’re the best in the NFL.
Alex Smith went from verge of being cut to at least Dilfer-plus.
Special teams is excellent and Akers is having a career revival.
Pretty good coach to me.
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the turn around in the secondary
the fact that they’re leading the NFL in turnover differential to me are what stand out the most
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 9:31 PM PST up reply actions
Yep
Seattle and SF essentially turned their secondaries around. Although I’d argue yours is better.
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"Although I’d argue yours is better."
for now…..
"If you want your dreams to come true, don't sleep in."
Ehh?
Hmm, I’d like to introduce you to my friend Earl Thomas and Kam Chancellor. Oh, and Richard Sherman, Brandon Browner, and Roy Lewis are pretty good too, in case you hadn’t noticed.
by Matt Erickson on Dec 25, 2011 2:28 AM PST up reply actions
They're also young and mistake prone
They’re not among the best yet. Though who knows if we had a pass rush, hard to compare.
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by Thomas Beekers on Dec 25, 2011 7:38 AM PST up reply actions
I like how fired up he gets for his own team..
But he needs to stay the eff off the field during the game and stop screaming at the officials on every play that doesn’t go his way. I hate it when any coach/player acts like every failure is because of penalties and not due to a great play by an opposing player.
Maybe not on NN or FG but that was a lot of the sentiment I got from Niners
fans at the stadium today. I don’t really like Harbaugh but that’s fine I’m sure I’d love him from your perspective. I think he has done one thing particularly well in basically simplifying your offense down to almost a high school level for Smith and turning him to the pretty good game manager he is. For example I can’t remember Smith taking a straight five or seven step drop in the pocket in the second half today. It was all handoff or PA.
"If you want your dreams to come true, don't sleep in."
I do not believe I've sen a QB with worse pocket awareness than Jackson.
It’s just unbearable to watch. I like the guy for his toughness and humility, but we must find someone better. There is no other option.
Even the two blowout losses
@ SF and @ CIN were not decided until our special teams once again failed to cover a kick properly.
Pittsburgh was a blowout from the start and that’s about it.
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So....anyone rooting for Kansas City next week?
Denver blowing a playoff spot AGAIN would be epic.
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One thing is for sure
I’m not getting into the specifics of the whys, but San Fransisco is a very hated rival right now. I am going to wish very bad things for them in the near and distant future.
I don’t hate the Cardinals or Rams nearly as much, never have in this division. Maybe a little when Josh Brown signed with the Rams, but that was more specific to just Brown.
I am going to mark the SF/SEA games on my calendar from now on, cause those are going to be BIG games in the foreseeable future.
by Mariner_Drunkard on Dec 24, 2011 9:04 PM PST reply actions
I've hated the Niners ever since TO's Sharpie game
The all-time series is now tied, I believe.
I kinda thought the sharpie was funny and people over reacted
the dancing on the dallas star was much worse IMO
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 9:21 PM PST up reply actions
I also didn't think the sharpie was anything to get up in arms about
Now that the Niners are actually good again, I see this rivalry getting real personal and real intense. I like it.
by Mariner_Drunkard on Dec 24, 2011 9:26 PM PST up reply actions
as much as I don't like the seahawks(nothing personal against you guys)
I’m glad that the rivalry is forming. I think both teams are going to be pumped up to play each other for years to come and both are looking like they’re going to be good for a while.
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 9:29 PM PST up reply actions
same
I loved T.O.’s touchdown celebrations, good stuff.
by Hancock.Brett on Dec 24, 2011 9:28 PM PST up reply actions
TO and Ochocinco are the last vestiges of fun touchdown celebrations.
They deserve to be remembered for that fact alone.
by Benne on Dec 24, 2011 9:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
the worst penalty I remember seeing on a celebration
was a patriot getting flagged for making a snow angel. And I hate the patriots.
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 9:53 PM PST up reply actions
I wish they would allow CFL celebrations.
The current generation is being denied its own Ickey Shuffle or Lambeau Leap, and it’s a damn shame.
I mean, c'mon, those guys probably spent more time preparing that celebration than the actual play leading to the TD.
For some of them, this is probably the only touchdown they’ll score in the professional leagues. At least give them this chance to mug for the cameras. Football is all about entertainment, right?
by Benne on Dec 24, 2011 10:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That's a nice point. They should be remembered for killing
fun touchdown celebrations, though, really.
Head of catering.
by jacobstevens on Dec 27, 2011 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
Really you didn't hate the Rams after 2004.
I know they have only beaten us once since that playoff game, but I still hate that team and like to watch them fail. As to the rest of our division rivals its hard to hate them when you have as many division titles as they do combined. Although I will say that my interactions with 49ers fans today at the CLink started to forge a hatred for that franchise that should last a while.
Hatred has waned with them turning to suck.
Hard to get that irritated with a beakless pigeon trying to peck your crotch.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 25, 2011 2:54 AM PST up reply actions
I started to feel a little bit of disdain for the fanbase after being out at C Link today for the game.
I can’t remember ever having that happen before at a home game. A lot of them seemed arrogant and I’ll could think about was where the hell have you been for I don’t know, the past decade. The Niners have been garbage for a long time and honestly I don’t really care that they won the division this season and may win it next, much like the Cardinals with their run a couple years ago. We are two ships passing in the night they are an aging team in their prime, the Hawks are young and full of promise. The core group won’t last much beyond next season and they will never win a title with Smith at the helm. Ambivalence is the best course. The NFC West is and will continue to be the dominion of the Seahawks for years to come. NFC west title since realignment Us: 5 everyone else: 5 Playoff appearances: 6 everyone else: 6 NFC championships: 1 everyone else: 1.
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by kelly20210 on Dec 25, 2011 2:27 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The field position in the second half sucked
and I blame Washington. I kept hoping the coached would bench his ass for someone that would STOP BRINGING THE BALL OUT FROM !) YARDS DEEP!
Cut him or trade him but I wouldn’t have him back after the season.
Leon has been very helpful in the punt game
But the new kickoff return rule zapped his ability. It’s zapped everyone’s. We only have 8 return TDs on the year on kickoffs and 3 of them were in week 1.
Let’s try out Tate in the kickoff returns and keep Leon on punts
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Yes
I think that Tate might be smart enough to know that the 20 is preferable to the 15.
by Michael Harp on Dec 24, 2011 9:16 PM PST up reply actions
Our leading receiver was Ricardo Lockette.
My man The Rocket came thru on the second play for 44 yards over the top. Unfortunately, the rest of our receivers did nothing significant all day. We might focus on a few good WR’s instead of a QB in the draft. Too many times TJax had to pull the ball down because no one was open. He avoided the INT’s but had one critical fumble when he had to run for a first down. Meanwhile Davis and Crabtree consistently completed passes down field on our secondary that wasn’t aided by much pass rush.
We need a pass-rusher to complement Clemons
Not another WR. We also need a QB, of course.
The last thing we need is more receivers
Rice, Baldwin, BMW, Butler, Tate, Durham, Obo is plenty enough. Just need them healthy.
by Mariner_Drunkard on Dec 24, 2011 9:28 PM PST up reply actions
and it would help
to have at least an average QB throwing to them.
by Mariner_Drunkard on Dec 24, 2011 9:29 PM PST up reply actions
This team really lacks a healthy white receiver
Durham is injured so we just need that hard-working white guy…like Stokley or Jurevicius, to solidify our roster.
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I always picture Baldwin as a white guy for some reason
I’m sure a white underrated receiver could easily be found in the 7th round or undrafted, in any case.
Racist damn NFL!
by Mariner_Drunkard on Dec 24, 2011 9:32 PM PST up reply actions
maybe he's Alec Baldwin's long lost brother
with a really dark tan
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 9:38 PM PST up reply actions
He is blackipino, after all.
And he did go to Stanford…
Problem all year though
Is that Jackson’s version of “open” seems to contradict the standard idea of an open receiver in the NFL. He simply refuses to throw the ball to anyone that isn’t open by about 3 yards. I’m exaggerating slightly to prove a point but its insane.
by Hancock.Brett on Dec 24, 2011 9:29 PM PST up reply actions
do you think it's because of accuracy or confidence issues?
or just wanting someone to be completely wide open
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 9:30 PM PST up reply actions
Honestly, I think it just comes from not being very good.
Jackson isn’t all that accurate has poor pocket awareness and just some overall bad decision making habits. I don’t think it’s confidence or lack of faith in his WR’s.
A lot of this has to be on Bevell
The Rams game we screened the shit out of them. I counted maybe 3 screen passes today and one was a TD. Way too many mid-range attempts and long-developing plays.
If Jackson goes, so should Bevell. Sadly they’re both on two-year contracts.
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Isn't clear that he is not very good.
You can call it lack of confidence, but that’s just him being aware of his own limitations, I imagine.
I'm so positive, you'll need AZT later.
by Steen on Dec 25, 2011 9:52 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Coaching
I honestly believe the drum into the QB’s all week DO NOT THROW AN INTERCEPTION. Hasselbeck was the same way. INT’s are game changers. It is better to not throw it at all than to throw it into coverage.
Coaching, if so not ours
Because Jackson has always played like this.
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by Thomas Beekers on Dec 25, 2011 7:41 AM PST up reply actions
Tjax had a better QB rating than Smith
Smith’s receivers made several plays for him on the sideline boundary. Davis caught two in a row. Crabtree came up big on the sidelines on their late drive. Our guys tend to catch it in the flat or over the middle but I don’t see the spectacular receiving play too often.
QB rating is meaningless
Smith had no turnovers and Jackson had the game-killer.
Smith made the tight throws and Jackson was panic-sacked.
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TJax had a higher completion percentage.
He was only running because there was no one open to throw to.
Tjax was 5-11 in the 2nd half
Smith was something like 9-12.
They recorded one first down through a Jackson pass in the 2nd half.
I
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Next Year ...
he won’t be sacked 14 times in the first three games or be forced to play the entire season with a torn peck. After a year of off season work and OTA’s where the WR’s and QB can get to know one another we should be better. I am reluctant to place too much blame on the QB when he was a last minute addition to the team. He will be back so you better get used to him.
by Patches Pal on Dec 24, 2011 9:58 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow this is hilarious
Bronco fans going out of their way to defend Tebow.
http://www.milehighreport.com/2011/12/24/2658813/broncos-vs-bills-4th-quarter-open-thread#comments
They’re quick to hush anyone who thinks Tebow sucks on two bad games, but think he’s the best thing ever during a 7 game win streak in which he barely did anything.
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Honestly, it's mostly a Denver thing
I think 2009 made me hate every single thing they do.
If Tebow were on the Jaguars I really wouldn’t care, but feck the Broncos.
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That's a bad analogy
If Tebow were on the Jags we’d hear even more about him being a hometown hero and shit. Count your small blessings.
I'd be fine with that, I like the Jags
But fuck the Broncos
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by Thomas Beekers on Dec 25, 2011 7:41 AM PST up reply actions
How can you hate Denver?
They gave us the gift of Earl Thomas
"That's funny. I post here all the time and I never see (you) here."
- GreatGoogly, to John Morgan
"John Morgan IS Field Gulls, asshole!"
Tebow reminds me of Twilight.
The people that love him, do so blindly without any regard for actual quality and those who hate him won’t shut up about how much he sucks
I like him AND hate him.
As a person, he and I share many of the same values. As a QB he sucks donkey cack.
by Michael Harp on Dec 25, 2011 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
Anyone else find it weird
We could end the season with a 4-4 road record?
If anyone told me that in August I’d take that in a heartbeat. All of our road wins are by double digits, too (36-25 NYG, 24-7 STL, 38-14 CHI).
On the topic of road/home, 12th Man rocked it today. Felt like a playoff game especially on the Baldwin TD and Lynch TD. Great showing and a shame it ended in defeat.
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I find it weird that they started 2-6 and we still feel happy about the season.
Huge testament to Carroll and Co. for rallying the troops when most wanted us to pack it in for the draft sweepstakes.
that's one of the reason's I'm always nervous about games at Seattle
On the topic of road/home, 12th Man rocked it today.
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 24, 2011 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe Portis
is one of those guys that something “clicks” for him in the off-season??? Didn’t get a chance to last off-season. Here’s hoping. We really do need a QB. I drank the kool-aid on TJax too. I agree with everyone…terrible pocket presence. I’m having a hard time liking any QB coming out of college after Luck and RGIII and don’t want to give up the farm to trade up. We had 60% backups for the last few weeks and ran the ball really well save for last week. These backups need to stay here.
BAH!!! HUMBUG!!!
by seanchristopher on Dec 24, 2011 11:10 PM PST reply actions
Portis is a moron.
I have zero faith that someone with such a history of bad decision making is likely to be good under pressure…on and off the field. And it likely portends poorly on his study habits and ability to assimilate information.
I'm so positive, you'll need AZT later.
by Steen on Dec 24, 2011 11:24 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
If this is you being "positive" I really don't want to see the negative.
It’s just a shame you are willing to cut bait with guys for stuff they did when they were in college.
"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."
Well isn't that just a completely baseless opinion.
We could spend hours talking about the poor life decisions that great athletes make.
by Nate Dogg on Dec 25, 2011 12:48 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I maybe wrong but its pretty obviously not baseless.
I'm so positive, you'll need AZT later.
by Steen on Dec 25, 2011 9:48 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
there are a few red flags about portis, I agree, but I wouldn't say I have zero faith
1) competitiveness – multiple transfers in high school and college, enough that some might say he is afraid of competition, but as a QB prospect, you need as much time on the field to grow as possible, and you can’t do that if you end up in a QB share or if you are just marginally edged out by someone else. but, in the end, when he got 2 years of FT QB experience at DII Cal U, he was one of the most productive QBs in the nation (and was competitive on the field). there is a bit of commentary on the web about his mother’s influence in getting him to transfer, but in the end it all seems geared towards making sure he was on the field.
2) character? – reported cheating on a pop quiz at Maryland and suspended for the year. used a stolen credit card at a mall:
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/college/s_713860.html
the credit card story is not terribly damning, and it is pretty comical how bad he was at his only known criminal activity, signing up for a rewards card under his real name just before using a stolen credit card to buy merchandise in a mall. not clear if he stole the card (committing burglary) or if his story that a guy gave him the card to use… if he is this bad at using a stolen CC, I can’t imagine he got away with anything more serious. neither of these offenses were violent or horribly indicative of a bad seed. given that the FO avoided Mallett like the plague, I have to think they are convinced these minor transgressions are not the end all be all of Portis’ character (Cam Newton had quite a similar history of transgressions and transfers, but of course he won a National Championship – so there is nothing to say that a few pretty boneheaded mistakes can prevent you from being able to learn a playbook).
3) intelligence – he complete his BA at Maryland after 4 years of college, which for a college athlete is academic success even if it is a watered down program for the athletes. at Cal U he was a graduate student working in a masters program, although after 2 years there, I don’t think he earned the degree – otherwise his website would advertise it.
4) athleticism – his combine measurable were marginable better than Cam Newton in vertical jump, broad jump, 3 cone drill, and short shuttle and minimally slower than Cam in the 40 (4.59 vs 4.62). only Tyrod Taylor outperformed Portis in the 3 cone and short shuttle (by 0.06s and 0.03s, respectively), and Christian Ponder (no shit) was the only other player to outperform him in either of the quickness drills (by 0.03s in the short shuttle). he is an elite NFL athlete.
Until we know what the FO knows about Portis, we should neither rely on him as a cog in future teams, nor dismiss him. I don’t have faith in Portis as the QBOTF, but I also don’t think any of this is nearly as damning as your implication that he is mentally unsuitable to be a QB (which to me and apparently some of the other readers here seems like a pretty harsh and unsubstantiated jump, even bordering on insulting and offensive to a player on our team who has had essentially no impact on wins or losses). most importantly, you shouldn’t blindly and rudely demean his (or anyone’s) intelligence, and try to present it as fact.
Smashmouth is the new sexy!
From reading some of the comments above, I get that Tavaris is not a QBotF
But my God did he screw the pooch on that last drive. The fumble sucked, but it was one of those things where he tried to make something happen but ended up failing.
The pass up the middle and the throw away on fourth down though, those should be career killers. I don’t know if it was coaching, or Tavaris what, but how the fuck do you make those decisions. Tavaris has to be aware of the time remaining: there is a big fucking scoreboard with numbers on it that only Ann Frank could miss!
Just bone headedness that had not a whole lot to do with talent, but more to do with decision making and to me, is so much more frustrating than someone who doesn’t quite have the talent, but isn’t a complete boob in the pocket
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
Ann Frank?
Hellen Keller you mean?
Do or do not, there is no try-Yoda
by ironheart777 on Dec 25, 2011 1:08 AM PST up reply actions
No, Ann Frank
She was deaf, dumb and blind
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
by beastwarking on Dec 25, 2011 11:46 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Anne Frank was jewish, lived in an attic and wrote a diary, but I do not think she was ably challenged
I don’t know this Ann Frank who you speak of, but I guess that since Anne Frank died 66 years ago, it is also quite possible that she could miss" tbf scoreboard with numbers on it"
Smashmouth is the new sexy!
by pqlqi on Dec 25, 2011 12:36 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
of whom you speak, even
Smashmouth is the new sexy!
It's Helen Keller
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by SSreporters on Dec 25, 2011 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
I think you're wrong, but she sure plays a mean pinball....
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by SSreporters on Dec 25, 2011 12:36 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Partial list of things I hold more carefully than Tarvaris held the football on that carry
Loaves of bread, plastic bottles, laundry, anger, bile…
Also, today I learned that kneel-downs in a Cowboy game are more important to Fox than anything in a Seahawks game.
Ultimately, this loss may be a blessing in disguise. We needed a non-playoff draft slot more than another mini-postseason run. I love the direction of the team under Carroll and Schneider. Every move hasn’t worked out but the overall plan looks solid to me. I can’t even imagine where the team would be under Holmgren. With that said: god I hate the motherfucking 9ers. I was gutted by that loss most of the evening.
Merry Christmas y’all. The Hawk future is bright.
by lemonverbena on Dec 25, 2011 12:49 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Next week's game is a definite anticlimax
Would much rather end the regular season on a hard-fought home stand against a serious playoff contender, losing a tough game by the skin of our teeth in the last game that matters.
"That's funny. I post here all the time and I never see (you) here."
- GreatGoogly, to John Morgan
"John Morgan IS Field Gulls, asshole!"
Now I wish Arizona had won
So we could knock their feint hopes out, too.
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