I'm Proud of the Seahawks
I'm going to be honest. I didn't expect a win today. I hoped for one, but didn't expect it.
As much as I hate the 49ers and think they're overrated, turnovers have played a significant part in the Seahawks' wins lately, and this 49ers offense isn't good enough to put itself in the position to turn the ball over -- if that makes sense. Harbaugh may be what some have said - obnoxious, whiny, petulant - but he's smart enough to know that his QB is incredibly limited and should keep his passing to a minimum, and that sort of gameplan immediately limits one of the Seahawks' strengths.
However, for some reason, I knew the Seahawks would be able to run the ball today. It didn't matter that the 49ers sport the #1 run defense in the NFL. I knew Marshawn would get his 100 yards and his TD, and both rushing records the Niners held so dear would fall. And when they did, I felt like the day was won, regardless of the outcome.
You see, I think today's game said a lot about the Seahawks' season and where this franchise has ended up, now, today, Christmas Day of 2011. They were playing for a playoff spot they supposedly didn't really deserve. The odds were against them. Though many of the talking heads may have picked them to win, they were decided underdogs. Yet they came out fighting, literally, and spent the entire first half shoving their brand of smashmouth football down the Niners' throats. They were beating them at their own game, and it looked for a time like the best of outcomes could be ahead.
What more could we ask for? Out-smashing the Niners, spoiling their chance at a first-round bye, sending Harbaugh and Co. home with shoulders slumped, and oh just for funsies, keeping our own playoff hopes alive? A better Christmas present could not have been conceived, even in the deepest recesses of the heart of the most ardent Twelfth Man.
But in the end, the 'Hawks were defeated, and we were brought back to earth, reminded that this rebuild isn't finished. Much respect is owed Pete and John for keeping the rebuilding Seahawks in the hunt for the playoffs through week 16 of consecutive seasons, but this team is not complete, and we would do well to keep sight of that fact, if for no other reason than to avoid sleepless nights and gray hairs.
*Disclaimer: I will make absolute statements on the behalf of the front offices. Clearly I'm not expressing any sort of inside knowledge. I am speaking to what makes sense to me.
Contention in 2011 has not been the Seahawks' first priority. Say what you will about always winning, wins over draft status, yadda yadda yadda. The 2011 season has been first and foremost about building a contender, and secondly about being a contender. Whether it be scouting genius or pure luck, the Seahawks' front office has accomplished this first task so masterfully that they've nearly accomplished the second in the process. But that doesn't mean the Seahawks are a contender or should be a contender. They're exactly what they are (cue, Dennis Green), and every one of you should know it by now. They're young, they're big, they're fast, they're strong, they're talented, and they're mistake-prone, they're inexperienced, they're learning, and they're incomplete.
Many have said, "Plug in a franchise QB, and this is a playoff team." That's true. But of course it's true. They don't have a franchise QB, and they're even still technically in a playoff chase. And it has nothing to do with an easy schedule or an easy division. They are legitimately good enough to contend for the playoffs. But that isn't the ultimate goal. The ultimate goal is Super Bowl contention, and they are more than a franchise QB from that. They need linebacker depth, they need more pass rush, they could use another dynamic wide receiver, they could use a better change-of-pace back, they could use some safety depth, and they could use some offensive line depth.
We shouldn't fool ourselves into thinking this team could have backed into the playoffs like last year and made a significant run at winning it all. I'm not saying they couldn't have, but rather that we shouldn't expect it... yet. And today showed, perhaps more than any other game, that this team is still a few pieces away from true contention.
In the postgame thread, the most popular narrative was "Tarvaris sucks, he's awful, he cost us this game, he's not the future, get rid of him!" Our dear friend Beekers most eloquently addressed this sentiment already, but allow me to take a whack at it.
As easy as it is to get caught up in the frustration of watching inept QB play down the Seahawks yet again, we can't lose sight of who this team is. It isn't a bad team desperately hoping for its quarterback to carry it through the tough times. It's a young, talented, inexperienced, legitimately GOOD team with a bright future. But for lack of any better options, Pete and John selected (in my opinion) the best current available option to develop this team into a contender. They didn't go out and sign a guy they hoped would carry them to the promised land. If that was what they were expecting, they would have paid him like it.
No, they found a guy familiar with their offense who could manage it into anything other than a complete trainwreck while providing leadership and some upside. I don't think anyone (including the Seahawks) honestly thought they were uncovering a real gem who would shock the rest of the NFL world. If anything, people thought he'd come in and flop. He hasn't done either. He's continued to be his same inconsistent self, at times flashing the velocity and accurate deep ball that made him a second round pick, and at other times showing the indecisiveness and carelessness with the football that made him a second round pick.
He's been repeatedly applauded by coaches and teammates for his toughness and leadership. Seriously -- his job is to throw and he has played through a torn pec and biceps for two and a half months, all while knowing full well that he is a stopgap. We've tossed that around here a lot, but actually stop and think about how that must feel. No, keep thinking about it. He's unquestionably one of the toughest guys in the league. Whether he "provides leadership" in any other context is just icing on the cake. He is clearly and undoubtedly admired and respected by the entire team, and that is huge on a young, transforming team.
It frustrates me to read the narrow-sighted overreactions, calling for his head because he's not living up to a standard to which he's never been held. He's done all that's been asked of him, and more. Accept the guy for what he is, be thankful that he's sacrificed his own body and poured his heart and soul into the very team you care about, and look to the future.
There is so much to be excited about. The Niners are doing well, the Seahawks are on the upswing, and the Cardinals are showing potential as well. In another couple years, we'll no longer be the laughing-stock of the NFL. Teams will fear the NFC West. The Niners may have won today, and they may be the better team for now, but I think the Seahawks may have the upper hand in the long run.
A win today would have been so satisfying. But once the Lions knocked off the Chargers and the Seahawks were all but eliminated from the playoffs, they were only playing for pride. I would have been proud of them for knocking the Niners off their high horse. But even though the scoreboard barely favored the boys from San Fran, the Boys in Blue achieved a monumental win today -- they ran at will against the best run defense in the NFL, robbed it of two major long-standing records, and proved that this division is far from decided.
San Francisco, we concede the NFC West to you this year. But you aren't alone. You don't want to return to Seattle next year, or the year after, or the year after. The Seahawks are tough, young, and hungry, and you won't take their pride -- but they will happily take yours. Enjoy this rare experience, because it may be awhile before it happens again.
Merry Christmas.
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Happy Holidays to all at Field gulls!
You guys do some amazing work (including the members).
This article reads like how I feel about this team.
T-Jax, I love lots about you and you frustrate me sometimes. I would love to have you start after a full off-season of practice with the team. Please, practice 2 minute offense as a team and improve your pocket presence.
I have never advocated losing but I would take a similar loss to the cardinals next week and go 7-9 for the season. We do need those extra spots up on the draft board. MORE PASS RUSH PLEASE!
All in all, mark me down as a satisfied hawks fan for the year.
What is there to "love"about Tavaris?
This isn’t a rhetorical question. What causes people to be excited or hopeful? He isn’t young, he isn’t accurate, and what might be a an actual positive trait, his mobility, he seems really bad at scramble plays.
I'm so positive, you'll need AZT later.
by Steen on Dec 25, 2011 10:14 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
He has something like a Marshawn Lynch attitude about him
He plays through tough injuries because even when his arm screams at him every time he throws, he’s still better than the next guy and gives his team a better chance to win.
by Agent_J on Dec 25, 2011 12:27 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
He's an insurance policy
If the rookie they draft next year (or free agent they sign) isn’t ready to play or plays poorly, Tarvaris will be ready to give them decent QB play.
Lots.
He is essentially the perfect teammate. He never complains, never makes excuses, plays hurt and/or injured, takes a beating and gets right back up, works hard, leads by example….
Nobody argues that he has flaws, and who knows whether he should be Seattle’s starting quarterback, long term or short term. But as a true Seahawks fan and real football fan, there are way more things to “love” about Jackson than there are to dislike or hate about him.
He’s the kind of guy you should pull for at the very least because he’s a real football player and a good human being.
by skwid206 on Dec 26, 2011 12:29 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd for recognizing the kind of professionalism I'd like all 'Hawks to exhibit.
but I’d also like to see him with more competitive fire and display some passion.
Smashmouth is the new sexy!
Nice Job Matt!
Great perspective Matt! Thx to you and all the writers here…. and of course, Happy Holidays….
Hawks have been fun this year… never knew what was going to happen! LOL!
overall i am proud of the writers on this blog
good job all year.
excellent post - I agree 100%
and Merry Christmas to the entire 12th Man
Good stuff
Agree on all the thoughts on the article. Bummer for me this tear is the poor DE talent coming out an the big gap in QB from Luck then RGIII then secon round talent. Another season of TJack is frustrating bit I don’t see the better option available.
by Seahawcla on Dec 25, 2011 11:53 AM PST via mobile reply actions
If the draft really plays out like that it'll play to our advantage.
I know that sounds contrary, but if we like 10 players in a best player available situation in the first round without really needing them, the trade down in that scenario can be a huge amount of draft pick resources.
I think our process has a chance of being good enough to benefit even if the positions of “need” aren’t going to line up.
In the 70's & 80's we had magazines & the newspaper to keep up w/our team. It really sucked.
I discovered the NFL internet style 3 years ago. It alone has changed me from the casual Sunday afternoon fan, to the eat, drink, sleep Seahawk fan I was born to be. I’ve checked-out all the sites and this one is #1. Thanks guys for all you give and have a great Christmas ! GO SEAHAWKS
I wasn't born till the late 80's(87), but I am the same.
I was given a few sites for Seahawks and Mariners writing, and FG is hands down the best, by far.
It’s crazy how much sports consume me and my time, though I would say I love it ha.
Merry Christmas Field Gulls! Merry Christmas 12th Man!
Twitter- @GriffinNW
by GriffinNW on Dec 25, 2011 6:37 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
I don't understand what you're trying to say at all.
You’ve mixed several ideas about being excited for where the team is going and TJack’s low expectations into a Frankenstein’s argument that Jackson should be above criticism. All of the points you make about how exciting and young this team is are exactly why people can’t get rid of Jackson soon enough. No one is criticizing the Q/PM for bringing him in, he was the best of several bad options. But just because we didn’t expect him to be a franchise quarterback doesn’t mean we should accept when “inept QB play down the Seahawks yet again.” People can see what they’ve built around him and are ready to start winning. TJack is the major road block to that success and hoping for him to be replaced as soon as possible is anything but a narrow sighted overreaction.
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I would agree that TJ is definitely a road block, or maybe a speed bump, for this young building franchise
What I ask you though, is what do you want this team to do with QB? There isn’t a whole lot of options when it comes to FA/draft, but hopefully PCJS maximize their options and make the best of it.
Twitter- @GriffinNW
by GriffinNW on Dec 25, 2011 6:42 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Well I expect them to bring in someone to challenge TJack.
The Rockett has a fanpost up right now about potential options and there are only a couple of guys that look like clear upgrades, and with their draft position they’re likely out on a rookie who is an immediate difference maker. So I’m not going to be upset if they don’t replace Jackson outright. I will be upset if they don’t apply the same churn mentality to the quarterback position though. There are enough interesting guys out there that Jackson should have to compete and win his starting spot in training camp.
See, I completely agree with this sentiment: "Jackson should have to compete and win his starting spot in training camp"
I don’t think he’s the answer, and I don’t think he should be absolved from all criticism.
I do think, however, that a lot of his criticism has been misdirected. For example, complaining that he’s not proving himself to be the QBotF — it’s one thing to note it and move on, but to harp on it game after game after game, whenever he proves it to be the case… yeah, yeah, we get the point, he’s not the answer — but my point is that he’s never been asked to be. He’s done everything he’s been asked to do. He’s been a major leader for the team and he’s managed the offense well for what he is.
My question is, what’s the point of complaining about him? Each and every person on this blog knows we can upgrade on him, and that we will as soon as we get the chance. So why choose the same narrative to harp on in every game thread? Acknowledge that he is what he is, and move on — and make sure you remember what he has done for the team, and appreciate his toughness and sacrifice.
by Matt Erickson on Dec 26, 2011 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
You complain about him because he's bad and causes the team to lose winable games.
No one is complaining that he’s not the QBoTF, but whether he’s supposed to be the answer or not doesn’t matter. Week in and week out Tarvaris Jackson hurts the team we root for. You can’t have any meaningful discussion about the offense without first acknowledging how Jackson limits it. You can’t have a discussion about the direction the team is going and the exciting young talent the Q/PM have gathered without discussing how Jackson masks them. Are people just supposed to ignore all that because he tries hard?
You see it as "Week in and week out Tarvaris Jackson hurts the team we root for"
But I see it as “Week in and week out Tarvaris Jackson is a pretty big reason the team we root for is 7-8 instead of 4-12 or worse.” He’s been a major component of the glue that has held this team together and taken them to contention in the second year of a rebuild, with 15 players on IR, with essentially no offseason, with a couple of torn muscles in his throwing arm, etc., etc., etc.
Complaining that he hurts the team we root for assumes that he’s standing in the way of a better option, and he’s not. If there’s not a better option, that means that without him, this team would be a lot worse. We can’t compare him to Aaron Rodgers, because Aaron Rodgers isn’t an option. We have to compare him to Charlie Whitehurst, and he’s unquestionably much better than him (not necessarily a compliment). So he’s been a part of making a young, rebuilding team relevant and competitive, not holding back a talented, experienced, already contending team.
The complaints at which I directed my piece weren’t well-reasoned, rational posts. They were (what is becoming typical) reactionary kvetching and fist-pounding, screaming that he was singlehandedly responsible for losing this game and others, and demanding that he be replaced, as if Q/PM were stubbornly sticking by him ahead of other better options.
by Matt Erickson on Dec 26, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
When we judge Pete Carroll we can only compare him to Whitehurst.
When we judge TJack we judge him based on his peers, and based on his peers he is bad. Just because he is the best option doesn’t mean he isn’t hurting this team.
I think this comment clears up a lot of what I didn’t understand about your post though. The complaints you’re directing this piece at are nonexistent. No one is calling for the Q/PM’s head. No one is calling for Whitehurst to start. You don’t even mention Whitehurst in your post.
TJax is not bad...
he is average. Astoundingly average. He is so average that he led an average team to an average record (7 or 8 wins is average regardless). Fans need to stop being so reactionary to a single play on a fumble to the best defense in the league. Out of 53 plays, TJax had one fumble, gave up three sacks, and had one bad throw to Miller to end the game. Two of the sacks he essentially had no chance to avoid. So really he had 3 horrible plays out of 53.
If the rest of the team didn’t make mistake after mistake after mistake against the ‘49ers, it wouldn’t have mattered what happened in the last two drives. Justin Forsett touched the ball 3 times and had 1 horrible mistake, killing 12 seconds of the last 41 and burning a much needed down by staying inbounds. Our front seven was soundly beat, Gore averaging over 5 YPC. If any of three players who had two hands on Alex Smith sacked him after the bobbled snap, the niners would have scored 7 fewer points. If anyone on our team could stay within 5 yards of Vernon Davis on either of his 4th quarter sideline catches they could’ve pushed him out of bounds before he got his toes in. If Clemons doesn’t jump offsides on a field goal attempt, he makes Akers job harder. And if we didn’t consistently lose the battle on kick return vs coverage on both sides of the ball, we win the field position battle and Akers doesn’t get 5 chances to kick field goals.
So yeah, you should try to improve the QB position. But, asking for TJax’s head, like many are doing, is insane. If you cut TJax, then you are obligated to also cut Leon Washington, Forsett, and all of the LBs who are far more responsible for this last loss than TJax.
Smashmouth is the new sexy!
You really want to blame the defense after they give up 19 points?
The Seahawks pass rush and Leon Washington definitely deserve a share of the blame, but I don’t know why some people feel the need ust that to excuse Jackson’s play. They were all part of the problem.
And not that it matters, but Gore averaged 3.6 YPC. It was Hunter that tore Seattle up.
Jackson's play does not need to be excused
he played essentially as well as he did in most of the wins this year, though with a slightly lower completion rate. I don’t think he’s awesome by any stretch, but Jackson’s 3 horrible plays only account for maybe 20% of the horrible plays made by the team in the entire game, and he has the ball more often than anyone else. He is not perfect, and he makes some mistakes, but he is not a failure – and everyone acts like he is. It was an incredibly disappointing, but if anything, we should have expected less from the offense as a whole and a worse performance from TJax against that D.
Fair enough on the Gore point. It’s not even the pass rush that was bad because they did get substantial pressure on important plays, but we let Alex Smith run through tackles as well as Gore.
Smashmouth is the new sexy!
I'm proud too
Wish the townies here would get over their preseason “gametape” of Tjax and evaluate on actual merit. He’s not geat. Not the answer. Not the reason we lost though. He’s been an average QB on a less than Average offense. One that is improving despite injuries.
The young one’s don’t remember true futility, hell they don’t remember the AFC West.
by vertigoman on Dec 25, 2011 5:36 PM PST via mobile reply actions
He's below average.
I'm so positive, you'll need AZT later.
by Steen on Dec 25, 2011 8:17 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
No, he's not.
He’s almost the very definition of average.
by Matt Erickson on Dec 26, 2011 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
Jokes aside, how is he average?
How Tarvaris Jackson ranks according to various stats:
DVOA and DYAR – 17th
WPA – 29th
EPA – 23rd
ANY/A – T24th
Y/A – 21st
Yards – 20th
TD% – 29th
INT% – 17th
Sack% – 27th
All of those numbers are below average, and when you look at the players he’s sandwiched between on those various lists it looks even worse.
Because average isn't out of 32.
He’s ~20th out of around 50 QBs. And the only stats there to which I’d give much credence as context-irrelevant would be DYAR/DVOA and ANY/A, and even those can be a bit cloudy.
So pretty much he’s behind all the franchise QBs and a couple other stopgap types like him who weren’t available when the Seahawks signed him.
by Matt Erickson on Dec 26, 2011 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
That's not completely accurate, there are 34 qualifying QBs for ANY/A, 40 for EPA/WPA and 45 for DVOA and DYAR.
But that’s why I said he was Julius Jones average. If you’re going to consider guys like Kerry Collins, John Beck and Caleb Hannie in the discussion then you need to understand that an average quarterback is a below average starting quarterback.
Still think he is average, if you toss out the first 5 regular season games
behind the high school quality OL that we were fielding, I think many of those numbers would be in the 15-18 range – which is average for starting QBs.
Smashmouth is the new sexy!
Call it whatever you want, it's not good enough.
I’ll never be satisfied with the level of quarterbacking this team has seen over the past few years, and I would hope no one else is either.
Certainly.
We need an upgrade at QB, and sooner rather than later.
by Matt Erickson on Dec 26, 2011 6:16 PM PST up reply actions
Fair enough and agreed. I want every starter to be top 5 player in the league
but at the same time, if TJax is bleeding blue and green for this team, damn straight I’ll support him, even if I want him to be better or the team to find a better QB.
Smashmouth is the new sexy!
by pqlqi on Dec 27, 2011 12:12 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
It's been a good season
Dennis Erickson’s first two seasons: 8-8 and 7-9
Pete Carroll’s: 7-9, 8-8 (maybe)
But we all know that the record doesn’t reflect the major improvement over last season. This was like 2002 again.

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