Report: Carl Smith Hired as QB Coach

Smith previously held the same position with the Browns.

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Could have received a much worse Carl from the Browns.

by SgtSasquatch on Feb 25, 2011 11:20 AM PST reply actions

Gross

by purplepansy on Feb 25, 2011 11:30 AM PST up reply actions

Gosh Dang it petey bad hire bad, go to your room
Carl smith has previous history with Carroll in that he coached the QB’s in NE, when Carroll, was coach there, and also coached QB’s at USC for a year. Carl Smith:

Coaching career (HC unless noted)
1986-1996
1997-1999
2001-2003
2004
2005-2007
2009 New Orleans Saints (OC/QB)
New England Patriots (QB; TE)
Cleveland Browns (QB)
USC (QB)
Jacksonville Jaguars (OC)
Cleveland Browns (QB)

There is some College experience before this but it’s not really valuable. New Orleans Bobby Hebert

Player Year G GS CMP ATT CMP% YDS TDS INT
Hebert, Bobby 1987 12 12 164 294 55.78231 2119 15 9
Carl Smith Coached 1988 16 16 280 478 58.57741 3156 20 15

1989 14 13 222 353 62.88952 2686 15 15

1991 9 9 149 248 60.08065 1676 9 8

1992 16 16 249 422 59.00474 3287 19 16
Average
13.4 13.2 212.8 359 59.26692 2584.8 15.6 12.6
Post Carl Smith 1993 14 12 263 430 61.16279 2978 24 17

1996 14 13 294 488 60.2459 3152 22 25
Average
14 12.5 278.5 459 60.70435 3065 23 21
Difference
-4.28571 5.6 -23.5907 -21.7865 -2.36791 -15.6672 -32.1739 -40

With Smith coaching Hebert his cmp% went slightly down by a little over 2%, however his yards went up 15%, td’s were up 32%, and his int’s went down 40% New Orleans-Jim Everett

Player Year G GS CMP ATT CMP% YDS TDS INT
Everett, Jim 1987 11 11 162 302 53.64238 2064 10 13
Pre Carl Smith 1988 16 16 308 517 59.57447 3964 31 18

1989 16 16 304 518 58.68726 4310 29 17

1990 16 16 307 554 55.41516 3989 23 17

1991 16 16 277 490 56.53061 3438 11 20

1992 16 16 281 475 59.15789 3323 22 18

1993 10 9 135 274 49.27007 1652 8 12
Average
14.42857 14.28571 253.4286 447.1429 56.03969 3248.571 19.14286 16.42857
Carl Smith Coached 1994 16 16 346 540 64.07407 3855 22 18

1995 16 16 345 567 60.84656 3970 26 14

1996 15 15 267 464 57.5431 2797 12 16
Average
15.66667 15.66667 319.3333 523.6667 60.82125 3540.667 20 16
Difference
8.580858 9.666667 26.00526 17.11395 8.532439 8.991498 4.477612 -2.6087

Here Smith’s Coaching didn’t make much of a difference although cmp% went up over 8%, yards went up 9%, TD’s a little over 4%, and INT’s went down a little over 2 % NE Patriots-Drew Bledsoe

Player Year G GS CMP ATT CMP% YDS TDS INT
Bledsoe, Drew 1993 13 12 214 429 49.88345 2494 15 15
Pre Carl Smith 1994 16 16 400 691 57.88712 4555 25 27

1995 15 15 323 636 50.78616 3507 13 16

1996 16 16 373 623 59.87159 4086 27 15
Post Carl Smith 2000 16 16 312 531 58.75706 3291 17 13

2002 16 16 375 610 61.47541 4359 24 15

2003 16 16 274 471 58.1741 2860 11 12

2004 16 16 256 450 56.88889 2932 20 16

2005 16 16 300 499 60.12024 3639 23 17
Average
15.55556 15.44444 314.1111 548.8889 57.09378 3524.778 19.44444 16.22222
Carl Smith Coached 1997 16 16 314 522 60.15326 3706 28 15

1998 14 14 262 481 54.46985 3633 20 14

1999 16 16 305 539 56.58627 3985 19 21
Average
15.33333 15.33333 293.6667 514 57.06979 3774.667 22.33333 16.66667
Difference
-1.42857 -0.71942 -6.50867 -6.35628 -0.04201 7.089493 14.85714 2.739726

Drew Bledsoe is the first real Big name Smith coached, during his coaching which came in the middle of Bledsoe’s career we see a worse comp% although only by .04 of a percent, however 7% more yards passing, 15% more td’s, but also almost 3% MORE int’s. The measurably Net Carl Smith effect appears to be a slight increase in cmp% to the tune of 2%, yards are about even so no effect there, 4% less td’s, and 13% less ints. Also of note are the following names that Carl Smith coached, and amusingly enough are all first round busts, but not enough data to analyze, before/after to analyze. Tim Couch(Cle), Bryon Leftwich(Jac), Brady Quinn(Cle), and Matt Lienart(whom he coached at USC) On the whole not a very impressive resume, and if Carroll hires this yahoo again I’ll scream

AHHHHHHH!!!

by Christian Bussey on Feb 25, 2011 11:27 AM PST reply actions

Holy wall of text Batman

by BrianL on Feb 25, 2011 11:29 AM PST up reply actions

Arggh I know

I’m trying to edit the dang thing to remove the stupid numbers but not seeing an edit, as master of the board can you pull those numbers out?

by Christian Bussey on Feb 25, 2011 11:30 AM PST up reply actions

Comments can't be edited.

by BrianL on Feb 25, 2011 11:35 AM PST up reply actions

Curse you

Curse you non-editable comment!!

by Christian Bussey on Feb 25, 2011 11:38 AM PST up reply actions

I read that as non-edible

stupid me

by Jackrabbit5683 on Feb 25, 2011 7:48 PM PST up reply actions

Damn dude

You really hate Carl Smith huh?

by purplepansy on Feb 25, 2011 11:31 AM PST up reply actions

Why wouldn't you

Looking at Carl Smith’s career and the 1st round qb busts he has been responsible for coaching, how can you not hate him as a hire….specially when Zorn was available before he went to chiefs.

by Christian Bussey on Feb 25, 2011 11:35 AM PST up reply actions

But... Pete has a bro he can go get the Senior discount at IHOP with.

Added Value!

by SgtSasquatch on Feb 25, 2011 11:44 AM PST up reply actions

In all sincerity though, This guy's been in NFL football for 23 years.

I have to believe there’s a reason for that.

by SgtSasquatch on Feb 25, 2011 11:45 AM PST up reply actions

can't carve The Statue of David out of a pile of horse crap

he can only be as successfull as the talent he has to work with

I Bleed Blue and Green

by DSAhawker on Feb 25, 2011 12:04 PM PST up reply actions

Talent

!st Rounders are suppose to be high on talent so not really sure that argument flies

by Christian Bussey on Feb 25, 2011 1:55 PM PST up reply actions

All of those quarterbacks you listed could just have easily busted with a different QB coach.

by BrianL on Feb 25, 2011 2:27 PM PST up reply actions

Maybe

Maybe they would have busted with a different coach but they busted with him as a coach, and too me where there is smoke, fire baby

by Christian Bussey on Feb 25, 2011 2:38 PM PST up reply actions

Correlation != causation.

What else was at play with these quarterbacks? Scheme? Lack of surrounding talent? You cannot attribute the entirety of their failures to Carl Smith.

by BrianL on Feb 25, 2011 2:48 PM PST up reply actions

And frankly, I think you're vastly overstating the importance of a QB coach.

If I had to wager a guess, I would say Carl Smith is not the reason those QBs flamed out.

by BrianL on Feb 25, 2011 2:48 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs

And if we somehow turn out to be wrong, and it's proven,

we will then go and re-name “the opposite of the Solomon Touch” as “the Carl Smith Touch.” But til then….

by jacobstevens on Feb 25, 2011 2:52 PM PST up reply actions

Well not that I want to be right

If I’m wrong, and carl smith is a good coach, then I’ll eat my words, and I’ll be happy because he’ll help shape our QB of the future. Please please please let me be wrong

by Christian Bussey on Feb 25, 2011 3:17 PM PST up reply actions

If Carl Smith is ever assassinated we'll know who to arrest.

by jacobstevens on Feb 25, 2011 1:14 PM PST up reply actions

Did I mention my real name is Patrick Willis?

There two birds with one stone

by Christian Bussey on Feb 25, 2011 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs

THAT was a well played response, sir.

Rec-worthy.

"Life does not cease to be funny when people die, anymore than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw

by Tyler Jorgensen on Feb 25, 2011 10:23 PM PST up reply actions

Though, ironically... not very Christian of you.

"Life does not cease to be funny when people die, anymore than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw

by Tyler Jorgensen on Feb 25, 2011 10:23 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs

Colt McCoy and Bady Quinn have both been succe....

wait a minute….

by TS6 on Feb 25, 2011 12:24 PM PST reply actions

McCoy has been decent.

Quinn not so much, not that he has done absolutely anything outside of Cleveland either.

by djafrot on Feb 25, 2011 1:20 PM PST up reply actions

Coo-coo-ca-choo

by Dizzy Saturn on Feb 26, 2011 10:35 AM PST up reply actions

Well it only took, like, two months for the hire to happen.

Very quick hiring, there.

by Coach Owens on Feb 25, 2011 1:08 PM PST reply actions

It's like they dreaded announcing this horrible thing they've done, figured if they waited til the combine no one would notice.

by jacobstevens on Feb 25, 2011 1:15 PM PST up reply actions

Jim Zorn

Why did Zorn have to take the Chiefs offer?

by luciuswolfey_96 on Feb 25, 2011 6:14 PM PST reply actions

Yeah I'm not interested in the return of Zorn

Just because he was here before.

If I wanted that I also want Holmgren and Haskell back.

Fire Gus "What's a screen?" Bradley.

by SSreporters on Feb 25, 2011 7:47 PM PST up reply actions

Might as well bring back John Marshall, Ray Rhodes, and Tim Ruskell why don't you?!

I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul - Invictus

by EequalsMc2 on Feb 25, 2011 10:36 PM PST up reply actions

Oh my oh dear

I would love it if Dear Mr. Rhodes would come back…

by wyobo on Feb 26, 2011 6:53 AM PST reply actions

why do we care about a QB coach right now...

“Charlie try to hit the receiver in stride, you’ve got all the tools, read the defense, look off the safety and drop it right on Ben’s numbers…” or “that was a great throw! now do that every time and both of us will keep our jobs.” “Matt, on this drive don’t throw the ball to the other team in the redzone, instead of going to Butler on the corner route with a 6”0 corner on him with a 45 inch vert go to BMW he’ll probably outsize his man" What exactly does a QB coach do that isn’t obvious. I mean you can go over issues with mechanics and reads you’ve seen in the past and try to improve them but its on the QB’s shoulders to be smart on the field and recognize coverage etc. QB is a position I feel your born to do, not sure you can coach someone into being a great QB, they already are and you just guide them towards being a more refined starting QB.

"I was 11 or 12 and Quinton was like 30. He was the only dude on the Pop Warner team who had a full mustache and a beard. And he used to drive to Pop Warner games. You're not supposed to be doing that. It was crazy." -Marshawn Lynch

by IMIN4LIFE on Feb 26, 2011 10:40 AM PST up reply actions

I think one of their main jobs is to help out in the film room

Though I could be mistaken. Pretty sure they help break down a LOT of game tape.

by Jackrabbit5683 on Feb 26, 2011 7:10 PM PST up reply actions

What does a QB Coach do?

Here are the main bits
quarterback footwork and vision drills, pass drops and the release of the football, sliding, in other words everything the quarterback does, from receiving the ball from the center to dropping back, to sitting in the pocket, to scrambling when the pocket breaks down, to hand offs, and play actions, going through your reads, not locking onto your first option. All those things and more are taught by the Quarterback Coach the Teacher of your Quarterback. So Turkey Lurkeys I’d say it’s very important indeed, and not a position to belittle or downplay. Maybe with a veteran such as Matt Hasselbeck it doesn’t make much of a difference cause well how much can he really learn. But when you talk about developing a QB, then you better have a damn good teacher, because the jump from college to the NFL is huge and with the flops Smith was responsible for teaching sorry I’m not jumping on the Smith bandwagon. But this is the wrong hire.

by Christian Bussey on Feb 26, 2011 10:20 PM PST up reply actions

Yes, but

how are you supposed to quantify that? To be able to accurately evaluate a QB coach, you’d have to compare what the QBs under their charge did to what they would have done under a replacement-level QB coach — and we just don’t have that information. In the absence of that sort of statistical baseline, throwing numbers at the question doesn’t really mean much.

by The Ancient Mariner on Feb 27, 2011 4:59 PM PST up reply actions

your right there is value in a QB coach however i think the QB themselves is the key...

The impact of the lessons comes with the willingness to learn and get better and build from the talent already possessed. I would have liked Zorn better than smith though just seems like a cooler guy to have in the locker room.

by IMIN4LIFE on Feb 27, 2011 5:09 PM PST up reply actions