Mad Mock Drafting
One of the things that you see during 'draft season' are the multitude of mock drafts coming from every direction. Some people don't care about mock drafts so if that's you just go ahead and stop reading. For those of you that do enjoy them, I wanted to point out a couple things.
First off, Rob Staton of Seahawks Draft Blog, Brandon Adams of 17Power, and I will be representing the Seahawks in a twitter based Mock Draft that will include trades so it should be an interesting process. It'll be called Mock3 and if you're on twitter I'll give you some instructions on how to follow it when it starts on the 18th. Rob, Brandon and I will do our best to rep the 12th and pick up some really great players, and it should be a lot of fun.
Along those lines, I saw a pretty interesting mock done by the people over at Mocking the Draft. It was a SB Nation community draft where each team was represented by superfans for each team. I'm not entirely sure who represented the Hawks in this one but they made some pretty good selections, as far as I'm concerned. Not all of the Hawks' needs were addressed, but they were able to snag some pretty good players. Here's a snapshot of who the Hawks took (I think... it was a little bit confusing), but check out the story for more mock draft craziness.
Round 1: CB Jimmy Smith, Colorado
Round 2: LB Mason Foster, Washington
Round 4: WR Edmund Gates, Abilene Christian
Round 5: QB/WR Tyrod Taylor, Virginia Tech
Round 5: OL James Brewer, Indiana
Round 6: OG Julian Vandervelde, Iowa
Round 6: WR Terrance Tolliver, LSU
Round 7: OG Carl Johnson, OG Florida
Round 7: WR DeAndre Brown, Southern Miss
Round 7: DE Justin Trattou DE Florida
Overall I like the picks and just for fun I'll sort of grade it out (not that it matters but it's good discussion fodder) - I would have liked to see a defensive tackle or two in there but they got a really great corner in Jimmy Smith, a linebacker that I think has a very bright future in Mason Foster, and a couple of good offensive linemen prospects.
Edmund Gates is a speedster project receiver- he's got the speed to be a deep threat, but will need to improve on tracking the ball to have success in the NFL.
Tyrod Taylor has a good chance to be an effective wide receiver in the NFL - but he's been saying he's a QB or nothing. Though it doesn't seem likely, he's got the athleticism for it. Teams worry about his height but if he can make the throws that's all that matters. It's a good developmental pick on a guy that will work his ass off to prove everyone wrong.
Update: Rounds 1 and 5-7 were autopicked by the draft organizers so they should be left out of the critique. The Hawks would not draft 4WRs this year, or any year. So just ignore the latter rounds.
James Brewer is an offensive tackle project that displayed good skills in pass protection but wasn't as adept in run blocking or aggressiveness. He has a lot of upside though so it's a solid pick in the 5th round. Vandervelde is a good guard prospect and another workhorse type guy that would provide depth.
The Terrance Tolliver pick is a pick that I really like. He's a big (6'4) receiver with good hands, agility and body control. He's a project in some ways because his numbers in college weren't awe inspiring despite his potential, he's got a big upside and could turn into a very good redzone threat at a low cost in the 6th round.
OG Carl Johnson is another good pick, as he's a versatile, tough player that's projected to have some success as an interior lineman. Grabbing Johnson in the 7th round is a great value. Finally, I like the DeAndre Brown pick as well - he's a 6'5, 240 lb receiver that had a lot of success early in his college career but then has suffered several leg injuries that has led to his stock to falling precipitously. He's a good flyer pick though, considering his size and proven ability to win jump ball passes when healthy.
Overall, like I said, I don't hate any of the picks, but would have liked to see a defensive tackle or two taken somewhere in there. Despite that, I'd still grade this draft favorably on first inspection as they addressed some really big needs for the Hawks in CB and OL - and managed to pick up a really good linebacker in Mason Foster.
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I actually did the round 2 and 4 picks (tried to get a third rounder but couldn't)
since they didn’t have anyone repping the Seahawks. Unfortunately I overslept the last day and missed rounds 5, 6 and 7.
The picks you listed aren’t quite right though. Round four was actually Edmund Gates and not Gilbert (traded back to Baltimore’s spot for their fourth, sixth and 7th rounder) so you also have to add OG Julian Vandervelde of Iowa and DE Justin Trattou of Florida.
Looks like it, yeah. It appears to be the comp pick they got.
I know a lot of seven round mock drafts seem to forget that our original 7th rounder belongs to the Eagles (traded for Andrews) so that’s why there are four picks for the Seahawks when there should be three.
My first instinct is to hate them taking a LB in the 2nd round.
But I think I’m still in the mindset of the LB position being a position of strength for this team, when it really is on the verge of becoming a position of need. Hill will probably be gone, Tatupu has had a steady decline due to injuries, and if Curry doesn’t turn his game up a couple of notches, he’s going to become a salary cap casualty (unless his deal is frontloaded with some cheap years near the end). I think Hawthorne is really the only guy we have that looks to be a solid future piece.
I think we still have some bigger needs than LB, but without knowing who else was available, Foster may not be a bad pick for this team.
by Mind of no mind on Apr 10, 2011 8:48 PM PDT reply actions
I think they're going to attempt to restructure Tatupu's contract.
So they may recognize that his abilities aren’t what they used to be. In that case, Foster would work well as he could take the OLB spot across from Curry and allow Heater to kick insider the MLB spot where he’s a much better fit.
His contract is reasonably cheap, and well below market value.
He’s getting paid an average of about $6 million per season. In 2009, the franchise tag was $9.68 million for linebackers. Tatupu is getting an average of $3 million less per season than that. In 2015, his cost will be $5.5 million, maximum, which, by then, will easily be way below market value.
There will be no need to restructure Tatupu’s contract.
Covets: Mark Ingram, Marcell Dareus, Prince Amukamara, Rodney Hudson, Phillip Taylor and Owen Marecic.
by Carl Shinyama on Apr 10, 2011 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions
The problem is the injuries.
He has five years left on his contract, has already had one season ended early by an injury, suffered through knee problems all throughout 2010 and then had the double knee scope after the season. The front office may not be worried about the money so much as whether or not Tatupu will be playing at all in five years and at what state he’ll be playing in if he is.
Regardless, I have a hard time seeing a restructure of his contract.
I think the team would straight up cut him (or trade him, if that was a viable option).
Covets: Mark Ingram, Marcell Dareus, Prince Amukamara, Rodney Hudson, Phillip Taylor and Owen Marecic.
by Carl Shinyama on Apr 10, 2011 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions
The problem is the cap in the new CBA.
Cutting him with five years and all that money left on the contract could really cause a lot of cap problems for them in the future. And I doubt anyone would want to trade for him with the length of his contract, even if it isn’t for a ton of money. Pro Football Weekly cited “team insiders” in saying that the restructure of those two contracts may happen due to the injuries.
Besides, you don't usually outright cut or trade a team captain and fan favorite, do you?
If they restructure his contract, let it expire and then not re-sign him it makes the organization look better.
I'm not talking necessarily in the next year.
The new cap is unknown. We don’t even know what sort of cap penalties there would be.
Ultimately, the main point is that I seriously doubt that there would be a restructure.
Covets: Mark Ingram, Marcell Dareus, Prince Amukamara, Rodney Hudson, Phillip Taylor and Owen Marecic.
by Carl Shinyama on Apr 10, 2011 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Aha! Marcus Gilbert!
(high five)!
Covets: Mark Ingram, Marcell Dareus, Prince Amukamara, Rodney Hudson, Phillip Taylor and Owen Marecic.
I actually like Tyrod Taylor quite a bit as a later round guy.
The knock on super athletic QBs like Taylor is often that they bail at the first sign of trouble since they can embarrass college defenders. From the 5 or 7 or so games I’ve seen Taylor play over the last two years, I really appreciate the way he uses his athleticism to extend plays and give his receivers time. He’s got a good arm and completed just under 60% of his passes this season. If I were gambling on a QB, he’d be my guy. Honestly, considering the price into the equation, I’d rather have him than Mallett.
Without knowing who was available for the 1st couple of picks,
I am disappointed in this draft. Jimmy Smith is a great value pick but ignores our 3 largest areas of need (QB, DL, OL). I’d rather not use a 2nd on an LB (even if he’s a local favorite) and neither DL nor OL nor QB are addressed until the 5th. Under these conditions I think we’d be forced to resign Matt for another 2-3 years, would have to sign Gallery and would likely pay Mebane to a pretty hefty contract. Basically, we don’t address our (expressed) biggest needs in the draft and would have to depend on FA to do so, which would likely be expensive and unpredictable.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Apr 10, 2011 11:46 PM PDT reply actions
I'm not sure this draft and those FA moves you discuss are mutually exclusive.
Most likely any QB we draft will not be ready this year, so we’d probably still look at re-signing Matt either way (though certainly not for three years).
Signing Gallery would be a bonus whether we get a guard or not. Even with Gallery, there’s no one to man the other guard spot at this point worth mentioning.
Same with DT. We should resign Mebane whether we draft a DT or not.
In a sense, we’d be smarter to sign/resign Gallery and Mebane, and draft based on what value was available at the spots we could pick. I’d rather get a potential star at CB than reach at a DT or OG with that pick. I get that you say it’s expensive to use FA, but this team isn’t really up against the cap and I’d rather grab good players when we can. Gallery and Mebane are good players.
I'm hoping we sign Gallery/Mebane/Matt
but this draft was force us to do all those things (and the consequences of not re-signing any of those guys might be pretty bad).
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Apr 11, 2011 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Not to belabor the point, but....
You don’t draft Mason Foster — both a reach AND doesn’t play a need nor elite position — when Marvin Austin is still on the board.
And FOUR receivers? Really? I hope the real draft goes much better for us.
That's a pretty damn good point.
Drafting that many WR’s pretty much guarantees one or two will be cut. Even keeping six WR’s, that means losing four out of eight (4 draftees, BMW, Tate, Obu, Butler).
I really don’t see WR as a position of need. Want, sure.
The fan doing the 5-7th rounds missed those rounds on accident
so the mock drafter admin just made those picks – but agreed they gave us way too many WRs
WR is definitely a position where we want quality not quantity
I don’t care to repeat that whole Courtney Taylor – Jordan Kent – Logan Payne experience.
by Suburban Shocker on Apr 11, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think its a reach, but based on our needs
I can see passing on Foster. But if you go with BPA, it might be the right pick.
I thought we only had one pick in the 6th- Detroit's after we traded ours for Balmer
Correct me if I’m wrong
that 2nd 6th was from a trade
They traded their 4th rounder to baltimore for baltimore’s 4th, 6th, and 7th round picks.
If this is our draft I would be upset
We didn’t address QB or our DL. I get the CB and LB picks. They are in the BPA mode of picks, but I still think that especially in round one it was a mistake. Locker was available in the first, so you take him. Smith has questions too, but the difference is that even if Smith is one of the best CBs in the NFL, he doesn’t single handedly make us a great team. If Locker lives up to his skills, he will single handedly make us one of the best teams in the league.
After that pick, I understand the second round pick, but wouldn’t be upset if it was a DT or OL.
Once we get done with the second round pick it should have been a whole lot of DL and OL and not a single WR.
Thats just me though.
I definitely agree with you regarding the first round
I love Jimmy Smith. Completely agree with Rob Staton that he could easily be a premiere corner in the NFL….BUT, taking the homer away from the Locker situation, he is a QB with insane upside. The risk-reward at 25 is so small for what COULD amount to a top 7 QB in the NFL if the stars align.
I think people are losing sight of the fact that (nowadays) there are RARELY any college QBs ready to play day 1 in the NFL. The college game is getting goofier and goofier with the gimmicks, so it should be the mindset of an organization to view a first round QB as an investment not an immediate cure.
Without running off on a tangent, I definitely love parts of this draft. Tolliver, Gates, and Deandre Brown are very intriguing and you’d think one of these guys would live up to his potential meaning you have a strong #2 WR. I like the Brewer pick and I do see the value in the Mason Foster pick. He can handle all 3 LB positions and I just think he’s a guy who will have a long career in the NFL because he actually has instincts unlike (cough AC cough).
I like it.
If the draft was to fall this way, I would be a happy camper.
CB is a position of weakness so Jimmy Smith would be a BPA but also a need pick.
I have no faith in Curry to produce. He’s a liability with no instincts. Mason Foster is the complete opposite from Curry and would produce from day 1.
Edmund Gates is explosive and fast. He could be an immediate impact in the mold of Johnny Knox and Mike Wallace or he may need a couple of years to develop.
Tyrod Taylor is in the Webb mold, the QB for the Vikes. Great athlete, but would need years to develop as a QB. Taylor does have some touch, but did have a bad showing at his pro day.
I would like to see more depth added to the D line, but to get the skill players of these guys is a plus too.
Theres a lot I don't like about this draft.
I don’t mind the first two picks, I actually like Smith quite a bit, but when you consider who was passed over for those players they’re pretty questionable. Smith over Pouncey and Mallett? Foster over Leshoure, Young, Austin, Franklin and Dowling? It seems like needs could have been prioritized better there.
Three receivers is just way too much. Tolliver and Brown probably don’t make the roster out of training camp just based on numbers.
read the comments
The last few picks were auto-picked so they should be ignored.
Also, I told you to quit reading if you don’t like mock drafts :)
by Danny Kelly on Apr 11, 2011 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
In summary, I don't like this draft
I don’t want cancers in the locker room or problems off the field and I think Jimmy Smith has high potential for both. I know Rob Statton feels he’s worth the risk. I don’t, at least not at 25. Mid second round, if he’s there, OK. Ditto Jonathon Baldwin.
I hope we don’t re-sign Hasselbeck. I like him, just think he’s well past his prime and not willing to play back-up. Whitehurst needs 16 starts to see what we have there.
Most importantly we need a 3-tech as I think we have less than 50% chance of re-signing Mebane.
The perfect storm for me would be trading down from 25 to early 2nd, picking up a mid 3rd rounder. Titans could make sense if they want to jump to 25. Then with pick 39 take a fallen 3-tech like Steven Paea or Marvin Austin, at 57 Dalton or Stanzi, and with a new shiny 3rd rounder (77) take an OG like Orlando Franklin. With pick 99 (I love this pick at the top of day 3) go for value with whomever has surprisingly dropped. Ras-I Dowling (CB), Bruce Carter (OLB), Jarvis Jenkins (DT), Greg Romeus (DE), Duenta Williams (S), Ryan Williams (RB) or Chris Hairston (OT) could be there.
Jimmy Smith at #25 would be a pretty good value.
If you take away the character concerns he would be a top ten pick for sure.
GET OFF ME!!!
Speaking of MTD mock drafts, they're doing another one either this weekend or the next.
I’m planning to do the Seahawks picks but they need a list of 10 BPA players for each round. Thoughts on who mine should include?
10 BPA for each round?
How does that work with the Seahawks picking at the end of each round? Wouldn’t the guys on those lists be gone?
Not necessarily.
I wouldn’t just put the straight best 10 guys on there. I would choose guys who I think would actually have a chance of falling to the Seahawks.
Hmm
Round one: Locker, Mallett, Jimmy Smith, Pouncey, Taylor, Liuget, Wilkerson, Solder, Castonzo, Ballard.
Round two I’d go something like: Hudson, Dowling, Hankerson, Nevis, Franklin, Foster, Young, Ryan Williams, Leshoure, Chekwa
Like hell I'm guessing who'll be around after the second round.
Jared Jenkins or Courtney Smith in the 7th.
Yeah, I'm not quite sure why they absolutely need a list for the seventh round.
I know why they ask for them, but it’s so hard to predict who’ll be available in the last couple of rounds.
Here's my full list. I guessed with a lot of the players in the later rounds:
1st round
1. Jimmy Smith, CB, Colorado
2. Mike Pouncey, OG, Florida
3. Jake Locker, QB, Washington
4. Corey Liuget, DT, Illinois
5. Muhammad Wilkerson, DT/DE, Temple
6. Aldon Smith, OLB/DE, Missouri
7. Justin Houston, OLB/DE, Georgia
8. Adrian Claybourn, DE, Iowa
9. Gabe Garimi, OT, Wisconsin
10. Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State
2nd round
1. Marvin Austin, DT, North Carolina
2. Christian Ballard DE/DT, Iowa
3. Rodney Hudson, G/C, Florida State
4. Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas
5. Christian Ponder, QB, Florida State
6. Ras-I Dowling, CB, Virginia
7. Jon Baldwin, WR, Pittsburgh
8. Titus Young, WR, Boise State
9. Danny Watkins, G, Baylor
10. Mason Foster, OLB, Washington
3rd round
1. Colin Kaepernick, QB, Nevada
2. Davon House, CB, New Mexico State
3. Marcus Cannon, G, TCU
4. Ben Ijalana, G, Villanova
5. Drake Nevis, DT, LSU
6. Kenrick Ellis, DT, Hampton
7. Allen Bailey, DE, Miama (Fla.)
8. Will Rackey, OT/G, Lehigh
9. Edmund Gates, WR, Abliene-Christian
10. Tyler Sash, SS, Iowa
4th round.
1. James Carpenter, OT, Alabama
2. Jurrell Casey, DT, USC
3. Chimidi Chekwa, CB, Ohio State
4. Marcus Gilbert, OT, Florida
5. Johnny Patrick, CB, Louisville
6. Pernell McPhee, DE, Mississippi State
7. Kendall Hunter, RB, Oklahoma State
8.Jarvis Jenkings, DT, Clemson
9. Stephen Scholling, G, Michigan
10. Ricky Stanzi, QB, Iowa
5th round
1. Shareece Wright, CB, USC
2. Tim Barnes, C, Missouri
3. Owen Marecic, FB, Stanford,
4. Pierre Allen, DE, Nebraska
5. Roy Helu, RB, Nebraska
6. Ronald Johnson, WR, USC
7. Chykie Brown, CB, Texas
8. Mark Herzlich, LB, Boston College
9. Cliff Matthews, DE, South Carolina
10. Niles Paul, WR, Nebraska
6th round
1. Tyrod Taylor, QB, Virgina Tech
2. Zach Hurd, G, Connecticut
3. Stanley Havili, FB, USC
4. Jah Reid, OT, Central Florida
5. Austin Pettis, WR, Boise State
6. Cecil Shorts III, WR, Mount Union
7. Ricky Elmore, DE, Arizona
8. Ahmad Black, SS, Florida
9. Shiloh Keo, SS, Idaho
10. Greg McElroy, QB, Alabama
7th round
1. Bradon Blair, DE, Oregon
2. Derek Hall, OT, Stanford
3. DeMarcus Van Dyke, CB, Miami (Fla.)
4. Nate Williams, SS, Washington
5. Dion Lewis, RB, Pittsburgh
6. Noel Devine, RB, West Virginia
7. Dane Sanzenbacher, WR, Ohio St.
8. Julius Thomas, TE, Portland State
9. Eddie Jones, DE, Texas
10. Kai Forbath, K, UCLA
I had to do a couple of mocks in the last couple of years...
…I just used NFLDraftScout (through Sportsline.com/nfl) and figured who might be around.
http://www.cbssports.com/#!/nfl/draft/prospectrankings
Not exactly scientific… but the late rounds never are.
Question:
In the next mock draft, San Fran is offering their third and second rounders for #25. Do I take it?
Yeah, that's pretty tempting.
You should be able to target these guys in the second:
- Rodney Hudson
- Ras-I Dowling
- Brandon Harris
- Aaron Williams
- Stephen Paea
All the guys mentioned above are first round talents. If I were you, I’d target all the other guys first, take BPA, and wait for Rodney Hudson to get to your own pick. Two first round talents in the second round is quite a coup if you ask me.
In the third round, you should be able to target guys like:
- Will Rackley, OT
- Mason Foster, OLB
- Titus Young, WR (Remember DeSean Jackson? Yeah, that’s the kind of player I’d compare him to).
- Tyler Sash, SS
Then you can still get someone like Joseph Barksdale in the 4th. Get any of the guys I mentioned above, and I’d call that a fantastic draft.
Covets: Mark Ingram, Marcell Dareus, Prince Amukamara, Rodney Hudson, Phillip Taylor and Owen Marecic.
by Carl Shinyama on Apr 12, 2011 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, and I hope you ask for a couple more picks to squeeze out of him.
Covets: Mark Ingram, Marcell Dareus, Prince Amukamara, Rodney Hudson, Phillip Taylor and Owen Marecic.
by Carl Shinyama on Apr 12, 2011 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions
It's a mock draft.
Why the hell not?
Covets: Mark Ingram, Marcell Dareus, Prince Amukamara, Rodney Hudson, Phillip Taylor and Owen Marecic.
by Carl Shinyama on Apr 12, 2011 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Just trying to have it be a good one. ; )
by Coach Owens on Apr 12, 2011 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd pull the trigger.
Of course, you can always wait to see what’s at #25 before you do.
Covets: Mark Ingram, Marcell Dareus, Prince Amukamara, Rodney Hudson, Phillip Taylor and Owen Marecic.
by Carl Shinyama on Apr 12, 2011 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions
However, the danger in that is that he could trade to someone else out of anxiety.
Covets: Mark Ingram, Marcell Dareus, Prince Amukamara, Rodney Hudson, Phillip Taylor and Owen Marecic.
by Carl Shinyama on Apr 12, 2011 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I think ideally, if I could have a dream draft out of that scenario
I’d get Stephen Paea, Rodney Hudson, Tyler Sash, and Joseph Barksdale.
Covets: Mark Ingram, Marcell Dareus, Prince Amukamara, Rodney Hudson, Phillip Taylor and Owen Marecic.
by Carl Shinyama on Apr 12, 2011 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I still don't
Between Jimmy Smith, Ryan Mallet and Jake Locker theres a good chance an elite talent falls to you at 25 for various reasons. And if none of those guys fall you’ve got a good shot at someone like Pouncey. None of the guys you might pick up in the third round would make up for missing out on those players.
Well I told him that I'd have to see who was at #25 before I accept the trade.
by Coach Owens on Apr 13, 2011 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Just out of curiosity
What’s your big board like?
Covets: Mark Ingram, Marcell Dareus, Prince Amukamara, Rodney Hudson, Phillip Taylor and Owen Marecic.
by Carl Shinyama on Apr 13, 2011 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions

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