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Dave Razzano and The Best Value Picks After Round One

I've been following and reading a lot of former NFL scout Dave Razzano's stuff the last few months. Razzano is an interesting analyst - he's very outspoken in the fact that he tends to grade guys differently than the consensus - and this is why I like him. You know he's not going to be right all the time but it's honestly really refreshing and entertaining to read something about a prospect that most people aren't saying. 

(Aside: after I had written this post but before I had published it, I saw Razzano state on his twitter feed: "Just got referred to as "rogue" scout by some blog site. I love it!! You will get the real stuff from me. Not in to kissin NFL's butt!!!", and I immediately thought to myself "oh that's me for sure" - I had posted an article about Razzano's endorsement of Colin Kaepernick and referred to him as a former NFL scout and 'rogue-opinion enthusiast'. So I retweeted it and said "I hope @daverazzano is talking about me" and sure enough, he responded: "Definitely you! ... Great word!! The "yes" men in NFL sickening".  Anyway, I found this to be funny... But I digress.)

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I found out about Razzano when I was doing some research on Nate Davis, the brief 'future starting quarterback' for the Seahawks, who has since been dropped. Razzano absolutely loves Nate Davis and thinks he can be a starting QB in the NFL. He went on record last season and said that he thought the 49'ers were starting the wrong guy in Alex Smith. He believed, and most likely still believes that Nate Davis, though playing tight-end mostly on the 'Niners practice squad most of last year, should have been starting. He may be right, considering the quarterback play for most of the year San Francisco got from the Smiths. When the Hawks picked up Davis, Razzano stated on the Calabro show that Davis would be the X-factor here in Seattle. Obviously, that won't be the case as he's been dropped, and he may have 'swung and missed' on Nate Davis, - the jury is still out on whether he'll make in the NFL - but it was an interesting point of view and one that not many people were getting behind so I did some more research on Razzano to see if what he thought should hold any weight. 

Turns out, it should. Now, as with any rogue-opinion spewing analyst, you should take what he says with a grain of salt. But, he actually has a pretty good track record of getting picks right. According to this Matt Maiocco article about Razzano:

Scouts typically work in anonymity. Their opinions are generally acted on by their teams only if others in the organization share the same strong views. Most scouting departments want a consensus before deciding on a draft pick. Razzano told me too many scouts follow the pack. Razzano said he makes his evaluations without any influence from others.

Because his views are not always shared by the consensus, Maiocco asked Razzano to share some of his hits and misses. Here is what he said about his biggest hits:

Razzano and his father, Tony, left the 49ers before the 1992 draft. Dave Razzano had safety Dana Hall rated as a player who would struggle to make the team in training camp. The 49ers took him with the 18th overall pick. (Hall never panned out for the 49ers)

While with the Rams, Razzano was the only person who submitted a scathing 1996 report on running back Lawrence Phillips. Razzano said, "If we take Lawrence Phillips with the sixth pick in the draft, we'll all be fired." The Rams took Phillips with the sixth pick, but Razzano was not fired for another 10 years - after he and the general manager clashed over (Alex) Smith.

I read his paperwork on Hall and Phillips. Here are some of the others in which he said he went against the grain:

--Lobbied Cardinals to take Patrick Willis at No. 5 in 2007 draft if Adrian Peterson weren't available, but club took tackle Levi Brown with Peterson still on the board.
--Defensive end Chris Long, drafted No. 2 overall in 2008, rated in second round.
--Defensive tackle Glenn Dorsey, drafted fifth overall in 2008, rated as late first-round pick.
--Receiver Ted Ginn, selected 10th overall in 2007, rated as fourth-rounder.
--Marshawn Lynch, selected 12th overall in '07, rated late second round.
--Reggie Bush, early one, had mid one
--Safety Michael Huff, selected 7th overall in 2006, rated in third round.
--Quarterback Matt Leinart, selected 10th overall in 2006, rated as late-second-round pick.
--Receiver Troy Williamson, selected seventh overall in 2005, rated in third round.
--Receiver Reggie Williams, selected ninth in 2004, rated in fourth round.
--Receiver Wes Welker, undrafted in 2004, rated in third round.
--Running back Priest Holmes, undrafted in 1997, rated as second-round pick.
--Linebacker Brian Urlacher, selected ninth overall in 2000, had rated as top pick in draft over Courtney Brown and LaVar Arrington.
--Receiver Anquan Boldin, selected in second round (54 overall), rated as first-rounder.
--Receiver Donald Driver, selected in seventh round, rated as late first-rounder.
--Quarterback David Klingler, selected sixth overall in 1992, rated in fifth round.
--Linebacker Brian Cushing, selected 15th in 2009, rated top player in the draft.

Now, it's easy to go back and say "I said this" or "I said that" about certain picks, so you have to take that with a grain of salt as well, but with the Dana Hall and Lawrence Phillips picks, Razzano's paperwork is there as proof, so I am inclined to believe what he's saying about the others. Razzano points out that he doesn't want to seem arrogant and come across as someone that never misses, but as he says in the Maiocco article, "I swing at a high percentage."

He then shared his biggest misses:

Quarterback Drew Brees rated in third round.
Running back Maurice Jones-Drew rated in fourth round.
Defensive tackle Kevin Williams rated in third round.
Running back DeAngelo Williams rated in fourth round.
Defensive end Jared Allen rated as a late-rounder.

So as you can see, nobody is perfect - rating players is not a science, it's an art. So many factors go into it, it's really a crap shoot a lot of the time. I only give this background to lay out that regardless of how you feel about him, he's had some success in the past and certainly knows a thing or two about football.

Now, with that being said, I wanted to talk about an article that Razzano put together about the Best Value picks at each position after the first round, to give you an idea of some guys to watch for on day two and three of the draft.

Here are the players he lists at each position - go to the article to read why he thinks they're value picks.

I brought up this list because several of these players have been linked to the Seahawks in one way or another. DT Drake Nevis has been a player of interest for the Hawks, and a possible 2nd round selection. Colin Kaepernick is another guy that some people believe the Hawks could have interest in. Same with DB Curtis Brown and DE Sam Acho from Texas. WR Vincent Brown from San Diego State has been mentioned as a possible target for the Hawks and of course, the Hawks recently hosted a workout for USC OLB Malcolm Smith. Here's what Razzano had to say about Smith:
The active and smart linebacker was not invited to the combine this season. Watch the USC tape and he is in/out of the lineup due to roster depth but is easy to spot when he plays. Excellent speed and play demeanor. Prototype 4-3 "will" backer.

Intriguing to say the least. Anyway, just thought I'd bring up this article because I found it interesting - particularly because of his endorsement of Malcolm Smith, who doesn't get a lot of love nationally from draft experts - and who by most accounts will be a late-round pick or UDFA.

Could be a good thing if the Hawks take a chance on him.

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Very interesting.

I had (too) high hopes for Nate Davis after watching his pre-season games. Very impressed with the guy, and thought Singletary did him a huge dis-service, so thought PC/JS scored with the signing.

Alas…

by Hawksince77 on Apr 11, 2011 6:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Isn't Acho more of a 3-4 player?

I thought that’s what I’ve heard about him.

by Coach Owens on Apr 11, 2011 6:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Regarding UDFAs...

I heard on NFLN tonight that teams will be prohibited from contacting undrafted free agents the second that Mr. Irrelevant is announced. I wonder how that will affect the Seahawks’ late-round strategy?

by Jackrabbit5683 on Apr 11, 2011 6:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Allen Bradford!

Yes, thank you! He’s a guy I’m really high on.

He reminds me a lot of Brandon Jacobs, except Bradford is smaller.

Covets: Mark Ingram, Marcell Dareus, Prince Amukamara, Rodney Hudson, Phillip Taylor and Owen Marecic.

by Carl Shinyama on Apr 11, 2011 8:10 PM PDT reply actions  

yea i love bradford

Whenever I saw him last season he looked like a beast. He would be awesome if he improves his blocking and can play as a RB/FB hybrid. Or just tear it up as an RB. I would be pumped if the hawks got him.

by Dialectic on Apr 11, 2011 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

He doesn't have the pass catching abilities that Pete normally likes out of a FB

To improve, they should try to become the musical southern cal of the west. - bRuins Nation poster on the Stanford band.

by bluemax on Apr 12, 2011 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd be OK with him taking on RB-only duties.

Covets: Mark Ingram, Marcell Dareus, Prince Amukamara, Rodney Hudson, Phillip Taylor and Owen Marecic.

by Carl Shinyama on Apr 12, 2011 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm a huge fan of Bradford

the guy overcame a lot during his career at USC and I’d love to see him get a shot.

To improve, they should try to become the musical southern cal of the west. - bRuins Nation poster on the Stanford band.

by bluemax on Apr 12, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

It definitey sounds like the guy has scouting skill...

but i wonder if his against the grain tactics are just that, going against the grain in the hopes that he predicts a stud out of left field when everyone was ignoring him. sounds like a cool dude though.

by gimpycb on Apr 11, 2011 8:57 PM PDT reply actions  

I like his line picks and some of his late round guys but..

To get Kaep and Nevis, we would have to work a trade back/up deal. Back out of the first and up in the second. Both of those guys are probably middle of the 2nd kind of guys. Nevis probably top middle and Kaep probably won’t get much past the mid point of the second. Thats if the DT and QB runs happen the way everyone thinks.

by stufr on Apr 12, 2011 3:50 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm pretty curious about this guy's opinion on

Cam Newton and Blaine Gabbert. These are a two guys who rocketed up mock draft boards seemingly for little reason other than Luck dropping out of the draft and then them getting talked about a lot. There seem to be a lot of yes-men when it comes to these two.

by SeahawksFanInNY on Apr 12, 2011 9:00 AM PDT reply actions  

He doesn't like Blaine Gabbert at all

On his twitter feed he constantly says he doesn’t think highly of him. Too lazy to get direct links but just browse his twitter history or his blog.

by MTJ on Apr 12, 2011 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Blaine Gabbert is kind of an enigma

I’ve literally never seen him play live but I still just go along with the hype that he’s a potential top pick. My dad is a big Nebraska superfan and he thinks Gabbert sucks after watching him play this year.

by Danny Kelly on Apr 12, 2011 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Same here.

I don’t know shit about him.

Covets: Mark Ingram, Marcell Dareus, Prince Amukamara, Rodney Hudson, Phillip Taylor and Owen Marecic.

by Carl Shinyama on Apr 12, 2011 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's not very high on Newton either

It’s not his character concerns he’s worried about, it’s that he hasn’t had enough field time, and is really only a one read and run QB right now. Definitely not what you’re looking to invest in with a high draft pick.

by WUWU on Apr 12, 2011 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Malcom Smith is one of those USC guys I always felt under performed

I don’t know why, I just felt like he should be better than he was. Fun fact, his brother is Giants WR Steve Smith.

To improve, they should try to become the musical southern cal of the west. - bRuins Nation poster on the Stanford band.

by bluemax on Apr 12, 2011 10:18 AM PDT reply actions  

Its interesting...

To see NN hate his ass so much by saying that Alex Smith was a no-stater duing the 2005 Draft.

You sir, are an omnipotent juicebox.

by RagingAlot on Apr 12, 2011 6:15 PM PDT reply actions  

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