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Top 10 Draft "Busts" in Seattle Seahawks History: #3 - Koren Robinson

One of these picks worked out well.

WIth the 9th overall pick in the 2001 draft, the Seattle Seahawks selected WR Koren Robinson. Robinson had broken all kinds of records while at North Carolina State and was expected to become the next great wideout for the Hawks upon being drafted.

He had a promising rookie campaign which he followed up with a breakout performance in his sophomore season, catching 78 passes for 1248 yards and 5 TDs. He was well on his way to living up to his draft spot and billing. However, he could not adhere to the NFL's substance abuse policy during the next two years and was repeatedly suspended for that and a repeated failure to show up to meetings. Coach Mike Holmgren said in 2004 at the advent of a 4 game suspension for Robinson:

"It's very disappointing to see wonderful potential lost like that. Is he going to rebound off this? Yes, but this is a missed time. You just want the lights to go on for some of these young guys, and have them understand how fortunate they are to be doing what they're doing."

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Unfortunately, Robinson didn't rebound from that, getting arrested again for DUI in 2005. This led the Seahawks to ultimately release him shortly thereafter. Robinson went on to play in the NFL for several years and even caught back on for a short while with the Hawks again in 2008, but never lived up to his immense potential.

For being the 9th overall pick in 2001 to being ultimately released after 4 seasons due to substance abuse problems and lack of commitment to his profession, Koren Robinson has earned a place on this list. He produced only one season of 1000+ yards in his career - not what you'd hope to expect from a receiver selected so early.

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So I'm guessing #2 will be McGwire and #1 will be Mirer?

Also, that’s why you don’t draft a player whose name minus a letter is a terrible band!

by Coach Owens on Apr 13, 2011 6:14 PM PDT reply actions  

At this rate who knows?

Did I miss Ray Roberts, Lamar King or Chris McIntosh?

This list is a trip.

I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.

by Dukeshire on Apr 13, 2011 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

McIntosh was #10.

But McGwire and Mirer pretty much HAVE to be #2 and #1, just because they were first round QBs.

by Coach Owens on Apr 13, 2011 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ray Roberts

Ray was at least adequate for Barry Sanders, so idk

by JRock419 on Apr 14, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mirer #2 and McGwire #1

At least we got something in return for Mirer. Thanx Bears

by eohawkfan on Apr 13, 2011 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but that shouldn't factor into the list.

I mean while Dan McGwire sucked, there really wasn’t a ton of talk about him. Mirer had a ton of press around him before the draft; he was featured on the cover of SI and Bill Walsh called him the next Joe Montana. Plus he was the second pick of the draft which is a lot more resources than the #16 pick.

by Coach Owens on Apr 13, 2011 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

At least Mirer had 1 decent year with us before he fell apart.

McGwire sucked from the get go. And he also cost us Chuck Knox

by eohawkfan on Apr 13, 2011 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

His rookie year

Mirer set NFL rookie records for attempts, completions and yards. In his 4 years he threw for over 9000 yards and 41 TD’s and 6 rushing TD’s.
McGwire never even got a start until his 3rd year after Mirer was injured. He only started 3 games and then was done.

by eohawkfan on Apr 13, 2011 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not going to argue he wasn't the franchise's biggest bust

2nd overall pick, QB and all. Simple fact is you HAVE to hit on that.

BUT, I also think there was a lot of different stuff that contributed to the whole mess, and at least the pick is defensible. Mirer was a proven commodity in college, and by all consensus was worthy of his draft position. He did show a lot of promise his rookie year and earned honors. Despite injuries, he showed improvement his 2nd year and cut down on the INT’s. His completion % taken in context is not as horrible as it looks – obviously there were a few WCO teams, and the Cowboys quick game with Aikman coming into it’s own, but at the time the NFL was still mainly a run-oriented deep-pass league, and 50%-55% was the norm. Tom Flores had gutted this team of talent, and had become equally obsolete as a HC. Mirer was thrown to the wolves heading what had been one of the NFL’s most historically inept offense just the season before. As far as surrounding talent, he had a broken-down Brian Blades and Chris Warren (who was an average RB that just happened to get fed the rock a lot) and that was it.

Despite being hailed as the prototypical WCO QB, Flores stuck him in a traditional vertical passing offense that had last been successful in the early 80’s. He was stuck in the pocket and forced to take a beating behind a horrible OL. He went through a coaching change for his 3rd year, and despite a more modern approach, Erikson was still a vertical guy (his idea for a hand-picked QB for his system was the big-armed and statuesque John Friez). It’s almost like the organization was so upset they missed out on Bledsoe, that they kept trying to turn Mirer into him. 4 years of taking a beating, fed-up fanbase, new brain-trust that didn’t choose him, and needing to distance from the Behring years, obviously time to send him away. But you can’t discount what we received back for him – a 1st rounder that gave us the ammo to maneuver in the ‘97 draft and get a HOF LT and a Pro-Bowl CB. Mirer managed to stick in the NFL for a few seasons after the Bearscut him – settling into a role as a back-up with WCO teams, where he had the reputation of being football-smart and a good mentor. I can’t help but think that if he had started in Seattle with better coaching or an offensive system tailored to his strengths, he could’ve developed.

The McGwire pick was later in the 1st round (#16 is still a pretty big deal) and IMO will always be the more heartbreaking of the two, especially considering the back story. He was much more of a risky prospect, relatively unknown (only because of his brother), and considered a substantial reach at the time he was chosen. Like eofan said, despite being given time to sit, and eased in, he couldn’t even hack it in the NFL for more than 5 games, and was out of the League a year after we cut him. If the narrative that the Seattle media tells is true – Knox and the scouts all had Favre as the top QB on their board (doubtful they would’ve pulled the trigger on their own that early in the 1st, and he wouldn’t have lasted till their 2nd, but still …) Behring stepped in and made the pick entirely on his own, over the objections of everybody. It caused the rift that forced Chuck Knox out the door and set the stage for the Flores disaster, which almost ended with the team in LA.

And IMO, the opportunity cost of McGwire busting was even worse – the team was still relatively talented and well-coached. The Mirer pick came after we hit bottom, but the McGwire pick is what started the downfall.

"I'm tired of chasing after my dreams. I'll just find out where they're going, and catch up later." - Hedberg

by jteckmann on Apr 14, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Whoa, even I looked at that and thought tl;dr

Sorry for the long rants today. I’m bored and the offseason is catching up to me.

"I'm tired of chasing after my dreams. I'll just find out where they're going, and catch up later." - Hedberg

by jteckmann on Apr 14, 2011 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry that this is going off topic.

But I’ve always wanted to get an actual explanation as to why Korn is supposedly such a terrible band. Every time I ask the other person just says “cause they suck.” I know if I ask you though I’ll get a serious response.

by Hopefulmsfan on Apr 14, 2011 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Because they were accused of selling out.

People want them to make their first record again, and accused them of going mainstream. And as I recall, the latest “going back to your roots album” wasn’t very successful.

by JRock419 on Apr 14, 2011 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed - and also because of the "nu-metal" trend in general

It’s all the knock-off’s they inspired that were so horrible, and the fact that MTV and pop-radio crammed the whole genre down our throats (easy to forget, but this was right on the verge of the pre-napster days, before thousands of bands were a mouse-click away, and you still relied on radio & music stores for a lot of new exposure). So music that was originally an alternative for the “freaks” became the music of the very masses they were supposedly rebelling against. And nu-metal in particular attracted a D-Bagish, jock-mentality following. It all pretty much blew up when Woodstalk ’99 became a mook-driven riot and rape fest.

Same thing happened to “grunge” – all the horrible derivative acts that cashed in following the explosion were so bad, they made many people actively dislike the original bands in retrospect.

I’m not going to lie – I liked Korn at first. When their debut album came out, it really was alternative, different and fresh. Second album was strong, too. But the 3rd album, all the hype and the scene that exploded around it, cause me to drop them pretty quick – especially after I went to a show and saw what the fanbase had become.

Pretty much the only band that came out of that late ’90’s crapfest that still has any relevance to me is the Deftones. Always underrated, IMO.

"I'm tired of chasing after my dreams. I'll just find out where they're going, and catch up later." - Hedberg

by jteckmann on Apr 14, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can see that.

I guess it helps that I didn’t get into them until their 3rd album mainly because I was too young otherwise. I agree the music scene they spawned was obnoxious though.

And also agree Deftones are really good. Took me a long time to actually get into them but very underrated.

by Hopefulmsfan on Apr 14, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Concerts are good though

When they tour with Disturbed, it’s a win-win though.

by JRock419 on Apr 14, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

The note under the picture says "one of these picks worked out well"

When in actuality we lost Hutch at about the same time. Hutch, of course, isn’t a bust. Doesn’t mean the pick worked out well considering we only had him for 4 years…

by Bobby Cink on Apr 13, 2011 6:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Or can't be said that it didn't work at well.

We only had Hutch for a few seasons but it worked out great for us.

by Coach Owens on Apr 13, 2011 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

If there is a dumbest letting a guy get away in free adjency list?

Cause that’s gonna be letting Hutch go in the #1 spot.

How many more Super Bowl could we have gone to and been cheated from victory then?

by Great Sergios Ghost on Apr 14, 2011 1:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

It wasn't all that dumb

He was never intended to be let go. The Seahawks expected to be able to match any offer, but the Vikings created a first-in-history loophole in the transition tag rule, made crazy matching conditions that never should have been allowed by the NFL, and slole him. It turned out badly for the Seahawks, but dumb? It wasn’t really the Seahawks fault. I blame the NFL for creating a rule they couldn’t enforce.

by ZZtown on Apr 14, 2011 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

we were pawns in a bigger game

And like you said, the whole thing wouldn’t have happened if Hutchinson himself wasn’t willing to screw us over.

The NFL was fresh off CBA extension signed at the last minute which had unpredictable salary effects on the FA period that immediately followed. Hutch’s agent had been a major player in the negotiations, where the Tags had been a major sticking point. The ’Hawks had been negotiating with Hutch for a year but were at an impass (an LG that wanted LT money was unprecedented at the time, and it was an issue only the market could decide). The ’Hawks had cleared lots of cap room and were anticipating having to match even the most front-loaded offer.

Hutch’s agent had an agenda in pushing through the poison-pill, and as long as Hutch could get paid, he played along. The arbitrator’s ruling was out of left field, because that loophole had already been declared invalid before (the NFL had our backs at the hearing) and as soon as it was over, the NFL moved in to close it again.

it’ll go down as the defining black-mark on Ruskell’s career, but there were a lot of other smart guys (like Mike Reinfeldt, who advocated and pushed for the strategy.) In hindsight it definitely looks like the team was caught with their pants down, but it was such a perfect storm of events that predicting it at the time would’ve been like predicting where lightning would strike.

"I'm tired of chasing after my dreams. I'll just find out where they're going, and catch up later." - Hedberg

by jteckmann on Apr 14, 2011 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

I mostly agree

But rather than characterizing it as being “caught with their pants down,” I would say it was more like: caught with their belt a little loose and the Vikings pulled down their pants.

The Seahawks did nothing different than many previous teams who used the transition tag to retain a player they wanted to retain. The Seahawks just got unlucky with the perfect storm of conditions where an NFL team decided to take the opportunity to try to skirt the spirit of a rule and destroy the rule by finding a loophole.

No way could any GM have predicted something like that could happen or even that once it did, that the NFL would roll over and let it happen. The lightning strike analogy is good, especially if you include there was no lightning storm at the time.

by ZZtown on Apr 14, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Too bad.

He was a heck of a receiver but he couldn’t see the big picture. So he was thrown out the big picture window. It happens.

by Richard fg7 on Apr 13, 2011 6:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Hutch definitely

has that look on his face like, “oh yea I’m gunna tear some serious ish up in the NFL”

by RawkEmHawkEmBirdbots on Apr 13, 2011 9:58 PM PDT reply actions  

And Koren's looking in the opposite direction

Must have been an open bar over there or something.

by SmartAssCoug on Apr 13, 2011 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is it just me or are giant men scarier with glasses?

Like “I’m gonna pancake block the shit out of you and then go read a book about the philosophical impact of Oliver Wendell Holmes on modern American jurisprudence.”

by huskies2010 on Apr 14, 2011 5:16 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

QB Kelly Stouffer

was acquired with a trade for pick 17 plus two fifth round picks. He got a big contract and was a big bust. Doesn’t look like he’ll make the list.

BTW, has anyone noticed the Seahawks are 0 for 3 on first round QBs?

by ZZtown on Apr 13, 2011 10:13 PM PDT reply actions  

I Do Remember Stouffer's Training

It was rather unorthodox. Throwing footballs into a curtain before coming to Seattle.

(pulled from SI back in ’88)

Stouffer remains unsigned. He has been in Rushville for eight months, heaving passes into the blue curtain, running, lifting weights, taking long walks on the open prairie…

Classic. Especially the last line….LOL

by JRock419 on Apr 14, 2011 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Considering how much pro athletes love their boozing and partying...

Robinson must have been on some pretty epic benders to get a substance abuse suspension.

by Benne on Apr 14, 2011 3:19 AM PDT reply actions  

What Time Is It?

I loved reading about how they had to install digital clocks all over the facility in Kirkland because Koren couldn’t tell a time on an ANALOG clock. That was his excuse for being late all the time.

by JRock419 on Apr 14, 2011 9:15 AM PDT reply actions  

The other bummer about K-Rob is that he supposedly was the anti-Stevens

By all accounts he was a genuinely nice guy, and well-liked by all his teammates. I saw him once at training camp, and he put off a really good vibe – interacted with the fans, signed a lot of autographs, etc. More like a good natured man-child that wasn’t violent and liked to party/drink to escape his problems (of course, this doesn’t excuse what he did – he’s lucky as hell he didn’t T-bone a family of 4 on one of his DUI escapades, otherwise this would be a completely different story)

But because of his talent and personality, it made his struggles harder to watch, ’cause you just wanted him to get it together. it also really handicapped the team: instead of being able to move on, he got chance after chance, interupting the continuity of an Offense where all the other pieces were in their prime.

"I'm tired of chasing after my dreams. I'll just find out where they're going, and catch up later." - Hedberg

by jteckmann on Apr 14, 2011 9:26 AM PDT reply actions  

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