Seattle Seahawks Team Needs Pre-Draft
by Danny Kelly on Apr 26, 2011 12:57 PM PDT
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PrintThe 2011 NFL Draft is nearly upon us so I wanted to take this opportunity to outline some team needs and some potential targets in each round. The top 3 needs I've identified here are Quarterback, Defensive Tackle, and Cornerback. Offensive Line is a very big need for the Hawks as well but for now I just wanted to concentrate on the three positions I talked about above so this post doesn't turn into a dissertation. There's little doubt the Hawks will take at least one offensive lineman in the draft, and hopefully once the lockout is lifted the Hawks can address the O-Line through free agency as well. Really though, every position has some depth/age issue so for the sake of being complete, I'd rank the remaining positions in order of priority as defensive end, safety, wide receiver, linebacker, running back, fullback, and tight end. Keep in mind that order is relatively fluid and I wouldn't necessarily hold fast to it.
To me, the most obvious need on the Seahawks roster is the quarterback position. Right now, Charlie Barry Gibbs Whitehurst is holding it down and could prove to be a serviceable to downright good quarterback in the NFL. That, however, is a very big COULD and it behooves the Hawks to work out some depth at the position. If they decide to draft a QB this year, they'll have a few good options to choose from. I'll break it down by round (approximately).
1st - 2nd Rounds:
Ryan Mallett, Arkansas - Big arm, excellent diagnoser of defenses, not faster than any of his linemen, really tall. Might not even be on the Hawks board due to his immobility but could still be a very good QB in the NFL.
Jake Locker, UW - Strong Arm, very good runner, very tough, good leader. Many question marks about his playing ability have lead his stock to fall. I don't think it'll fall far though. He'll most likely go in top-15.
Colin Kaepernick, Nevada - Rocket for an arm, can throw a baseball 95 mph which is very good I've heard. Is tall and fast. Can read defenses with some success. Came from a gimicky pistol offense so will take some time to learn pro-style. Has a lot of upside but could be a project. I like him a lot though.
Christian Ponder, FSU - Good athleticism, accurate. Good in "West Coast Offense" predicated on short, precision passing game. Decent size but sub-par arm and has injury issues.
Andy Dalton, TCU - Red Hair. Was a 4th round prospect until recently and now has ascended into the top-10 discussion because teams are desperate for QBs apparently.
3rd - 5 rounds:
Ricky Stanzi, Iowa - Good athleticism, decent arm, good height and speed, overall a decent prospect. Many people are very high on Stanzi so he may not last till mid rounds but if he does, Hawks should scoop him up.
Pat Devlin, Delaware - Another guy with good height and a decent arm. Is riding the coattails of Joe Flacco in a way because on paper is a similar player. I don't know a ton about Devlin, but could be worth a look in mid-rounds.
6-7th rounds:
Greg McElroy, Alabama - A "winner" with good accuracy but sub par ability to see over his linemen's heads.
Adam Froman, Louisville - Like this guy a lot. A poor man's Blaine Gabbert and a lower-middle class man's Ricky Stanzi. Should get a look by every team based on his tangibles and could be a solid flyer pick in the later rounds. Remember his name.
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The next most obvious position of need is the defensive tackle spot. Specifically, the 3-tech. Brandon Mebane played that position last season and registered only one sack. He's not a bad player there but he's now a free agent and outwardly it doesn't seem like the Hawks want to keep him all that much. I hope we do, but if not, the position needs to be addressed. Possible targets include:
1st - 2nd Rounds:
Corey Liuget, Illinois - If he lasts to #25, the Hawks will have to think long and hard about taking him. He's a pretty disruptive force on the line and is good at rushing the passer. His last name is pronounce "Legit" and so that makes him cool in my book.
Marvin Austin, North Carolina - Suspended all of 2010 for taking gifts, he's arguably a top-10 talent. Would be a boon to the Hawks' d-line and if he keeps his head on straight will be a very good NFL player.
Drake Nevis, LSU - Another very disruptive force on the line. Good at putting pressure on the passer and a solid run stuffer.
Jurrell Casey, USC - An underrated prospect, could come in and be a very good 3-tech or 1-tech. Similar in stature to Brandon Mebane at 6'1 300. Could be a very good 2nd round choice for the Hawks.
3rd - 5th rounds:
Jarvis Jenkins, Clemson - a First-Team All-ACC selection his senior year, if Jenkins is still around in the 3rd round the Hawks have to think about taking him with their imaginary 3rd round pick.
Sione Fua, Stanford - not a typical 3-tech but would be a great 1-tech for the Hawks. Is a squatty, powerful player and was 2nd team All-Pac10. Could probably play 5-tech as well at 6'2, 310.
Lawrence Guy, Arizona State - a sleeper pick of mine for the Hawks, he's an underrated pass rushing specialist with a lot of upside. He's strong, quick, and has rare athleticism for a player of his size (6'5, 300). Could be on Hawks' radar.
6th - 7th rounds:
David Carter, UCLA - a late bloomer at UCLA, starting only one year, he has a lot of potential and is a good athlete. Keep him on your radars.
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Thirdly, I wanted to talk about the cornerback position. It's arguable whether this is a big position of need or not. On one hand, they had a near league worst passing defense in 2010. However, they do have some young talent there in Walter Thurmond, Roy Lewis, and hopefully Brandon Browner that can work alongside a healthy Marcus Trufant to get things back in order. That's a big question mark though, so to me it's still a big need. I'll outline a few prospects at CB for you.
1st - 2nd rounds:
Jimmy Smith, Colorado - a shutdown corner, would come in and start on day one. Ideal size and speed. If his head stays screwed on straight could be a all-pro caliber player.
Aaron Williams, Texas - a very solid corner for Texas in 2010, may be better suited to the safety position in the NFL. Don't discount him all together though, he could be on the Hawks' radar. Would be a welcome addition by his former teammate Earl Thomas.
Brandon Harris, Miami - Too $hort.
3rd - 5th rounds:
Davon House, New Mexico State - Good size, good instincts. Good ball skills and tackling ability. If he lasts to the 3rd round I'll be surprised but if so the Hawks may make a move to get him.
Ras-I Dowling, Virginia Tech - Another good corner with ideal size and speed. Would be a steal in the 3rd or 4th rounds.
Curtis Brown, Texas - the "other" corner at Texas that might actually translate better to the NFL. Good size and ball skills and solid in run support. Is best in man coverage and would fit well in the Hawks' Tampa-2 scheme. Could be a very real possibility for the Hawks.
Brandon Burton, Utah - Another corner with great size and an ideal press-man type player. Would be a good fit for the Hawks and rumor has it that they are interested in him.
Others... Shareece Wright, USC; Johnny Patrick, Louisville; Curtis Marsh, Utah State; Jalil Brown, Colorado
5th-7th rounds:
DeMarcus Van Dyke, Miami - Good height and elite speed but lacks bulk. Is a bit of a project but has good potential.
Richard Sherman, Stanford - another good prospect based on tangibles, he's got the size and decent speed to succeed. Is raw and inexperienced at corner (was a WR his first two seasons at Stanford) but could be a good flyer pick.
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So there you have it. Let's see how it shakes out in the draft!
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Just read the Titans think "Dalton is an elite prospect" and are considering him at 8
That said, I fully expect a call from the Titans on Day 3 as their future Slot WR. I mean we are now into crazy talk, so I like my chances.
Ahahah
As said before, I think this pre-draft QB hype is getting ridiculous. Fully expect the likes of Dalton, Stanzi and even Kaeps (who I do like) to be “surprise drops”
by Thomas Beekers on Apr 26, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I was relieved to hear this (in all honesty)
It’s so ridiculous now, that none of this can be true. At least, I hope so.
I'm all for teams drafting ahead of us picking up 4th round talent.
Hopefully another team will just FALL IN LOVE with a kicker or punter, too.
Damn, you beat me to it!
I was reading your other post, going “Froman… Froman… dammit… who the hell is ABE Froman?”
YES!
Thank you.
Watching another 80’s classic right now— Big Trouble in Little China.
I love 80’s movies…
What if we simply took the highest ceiling players, who fit ANY system, and worked out the details later? If we do go that route, there’s no way you can convince me Ponder is a good choice in the 1st round.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Apr 26, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I used to love that movie as a kid!
I havent seen it since back in the 80s. Does it still hold up as a decent movie?
Uhm...
it’s a fun movie, I will say that. Not nearly as awesome as it was at 10 years old, though. But still funny and with some great moments.
What if we simply took the highest ceiling players, who fit ANY system, and worked out the details later? If we do go that route, there’s no way you can convince me Ponder is a good choice in the 1st round.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Apr 26, 2011 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I notice everything (minus the red hair) you wrote about Dalton could be written about Ponder.
What if we simply took the highest ceiling players, who fit ANY system, and worked out the details later? If we do go that route, there’s no way you can convince me Ponder is a good choice in the 1st round.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Apr 26, 2011 1:18 PM PDT reply actions
25-30 years ago, the same thing could be said about black NFL QB's.
Just saying.
What if we simply took the highest ceiling players, who fit ANY system, and worked out the details later? If we do go that route, there’s no way you can convince me Ponder is a good choice in the 1st round.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Apr 26, 2011 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I know people that say that today.
A 60 year old half mexican die hard Raider fan from Oakland that I used to work with always says: “just proves Doug Williams was a fluke”.
Had McNabb or Moon ever one the super bowl, that might have put it to rest, but I think the feeling will continue until a solid year in guy wins the big one or two.
70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.
Man, my grammar has gone south.
I blame texting.
70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.
Carson Palmer
is pretty damn close to a redhead. At the very least, he’s a gingerbeard.
by FWBrodie on Apr 26, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Except you can actually catch him... easily... in the backfield.
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Jurrell Casey is a 1-tech or nose tackle.
I’m not sure he’s much of a 3-tech prospect at all. Razzano loves him and compares him to Casey Hampton, a nose in a 3-4.
They use both a 1-tech and 3-tech
Mebane is miscast as a 3-tech and isn’t under contract, so needs wise the 3-tech is pretty huge. Cole is the 1-tech though, so it’s not like they couldn’t upgrade at that spot too.
Wern't we considering moving Cole to rotation and Mebane back at 1?
I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul - Invictus
I may be wrong but my thinking is as follows
The 3 tech should be your best interior pass rusher. Mebane is probably that guy. Moving him to the 1 tech would mean that you then would have to start someone like Craig Terrill or Kentwan Balmer along side him while Cole is off the field because he’s backing up Mebane. Having him at the 3 tech allows the Hawks to have their 2 best interior linemen on the field at the same time. That’s the best explanation I can think of. I think if the Seahawks were able to draft a top 3 tech like Liuget or Nevis, that would allow Mebane to go back playing some 1 tech (provided he’s resigned). But who knows the actual reason
by hawksfan1401 on Apr 26, 2011 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Wasn't there some argument
that Bernard was just so good at 3-tech (or whoever that was in 2008) that it made Mebane look good at 1-tech? Not saying I agree with it, but it would explain why Mebane hasn’t had as good a year since then.
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Mebane changing positions explains why he hasn't been as good.
Mebane’s big year was 2008, Bernard’s last year in Seattle when he was pretty clearly winding down. Mebane had more sacks than Bernard that year and Bernard went on to be a back up in New York the next season.
Better surrounding talent on a DL is always going to help a player
and Mebane hasn’t played on a better DL since 2007, but I don’t think that’s the only reason for a decline in sack production.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Apr 26, 2011 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I've seen scouting reports put him as a 3-tech prospect in a one-gap system
and Dan Kadar of MTD even mentioned that Jurrell Casey could have been a better choice than Drake Nevis when I took him as a 3-tech in their mock draft. But he is pretty short and squat and maybe better suited to the 1tech spot. I’m actually not really sure – I remember thinking the same thing when he compared him to Hampton, a classic nose in 3-4.
Casey seems to be an odd mix. His body says nose, first step and skillset says 3-tech gap penetrator.
Carroll always had 1-gap across the line at SC. I think it’s probably where he’s best.
Head of catering.
by jacobstevens on Apr 26, 2011 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Another DT prospect I hoper the Seahawks conside
in the later rounds is Richmond’s Martin Parker. Also a three-tech guy, with decent size (6’2", 303 pounds) and has decent speed (4.95 40). He’s not the strongest guy, but he could be decent depth. From CBS:
Strengths: Active player with quick hands and feet. Gives guards at the FCS level all they can handle on every snap with a strong punch and high motor. Controls linemen when balanced, able to use violent hands to disengage and attack ballcarriers before they reach him. Has grown into a legitimate NFL three-technique body during his career. Nimble feet and solid balance give him enough change of direction ability to force mobile quarterbacks and elusive ballcarriers at least into the arms of teammates, if he does not use his long arms to securely wrap them up (which he usually does once in the immediate vicinity).
Weaknesses: Could anchor more consistently against double-teams and stronger single blocks. Only flashes a bull rush, will not push better NFL linemen into the pocket. Gets high off the snap at times, can be moved down the line by zone blockers to allow cutback lanes. Will provide interior pressure, not a ton of sacks, because he lacks elite closing speed
It's like the R in your subject line
ran away three words down.
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Janoris Jenkins might me available as a supplmental draft pick at cornerback
College athletics are corrupt and I suspect wrestling may be scripted
Very interesting guy
On field performance is ridiculously good against some top notch guys (Jeffrey, Green, Jones).
Very True
As the Seahawks would be in the third tier lottery for the supplemental draft, they would probably need to pull the trigger with their 2012 2nd round pick. Jenkins was a mid to late first rounder before making the decision not declare. Being dismissed from the team for three marijuana possessions, two in the last couple months is going to push his stock down. I don’t think someone will risk a first round pick on him, but I don’t think he would last to the third tier of the third rounder either.
College athletics are corrupt and I suspect wrestling may be scripted
I think OL is too varied to include, it would make it a dissertation,
but I think it’s more of a need than DT. Even if I might be totally behind picking DT earlier, prospects being more or less equal.
Head of catering.
There are 500 free agents out there.
I’d like to pick up two guards, a corner, and a DE via free agency.
Draft a QB, a corner, a tackle, and a receiver.
If there ever was a year to buy your way into the Super Bowl it’s this one. And we happen to be swimming in cap room this year.\
Super bowl!
70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.
It decertified as a union but it still exists
by hawksfan1401 on Apr 26, 2011 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
... as a trade group
Like the Corn Growers Association or whatever.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Apr 26, 2011 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
There is a NFLPA, they just do not have representation power of NFL players anymore.
They can say whatever the hell they want.
by the other side on Apr 26, 2011 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm just saying that this is nothing new.
Of course the NFLPA is going to tell them to start negotiating. This is like the judge asking what each side wants. Seems like a formality.
by the other side on Apr 26, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Bahahahahahah:
Jason La Canfora of NFL.com reports that there is a divide among the Titans’ coaching staff as to whom Tennessee should draft with the eighth overall selection.
The defensive coaches want Nick Fairley.
The offensive coaches want Andy Dalton.
Several league sources tell La Canfora that the Titans’ offensive staff considers Dalton "an elite prospect" with low bust potential, compared to the rest of the 2011 quarterback class. La Canfora "would not be surprised" if Tennessee drafted Dalton with the eighth pick in the draft.
This is awesome.
And I bet the offense wins, because they got no QB
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PLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASE
Just to make the draft extra-interesting.
Why not? Good head coach, Johnson and Britt, good fanbase.
Always had a soft spot for the Titans.
I don't get all the Dalton hate
around here. He’s one of the few QBs in this draft to pass the 26-27-60 measurement, really consistent his whole college career, and he has some big wins under his belt. Not many other QBs can say that. I’d rate him above a total crap shoot like Cam Newton
if the love seems unwarranted it can make a lot of people respond with a little hate.
The love strongly seems unwarranted.
Head of catering.
by jacobstevens on Apr 26, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, that's a good point.
I can’t imagine having a divisive coaching staff over the guy, but he seems like the least likely QB bust to me. That’s mostly gut feeling, to be honest. But it’s also hard to overlook that completion % with over 1300 attempts.
He might be the least likely QB to bust.
But his ceiling is much, much lower than Locker’s or Gabbert’s or Newton’s or Kaepernick’s. He’s a game manager at best. A Matt Hasselbeck.
I'll take a Matt Hasselbeck right now.
The 2004 version, though.
Even though Hasselbeck's stats were heavily inflated
by the OL they had, the offensive system and because they had a good running game? Remember that.
I don't know if you can prove any of that.
In 2007, with almost no running game and little by way of receiving weapons, Matt was fantastic. He has broken down somewhat with age and injury, but to underrate just how good he was for this team in his prime is a mistake.
by djafrot on Apr 26, 2011 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
That was a career year and the mark of a franchise QB
In 2005, he benefited greatly from the run game and superior pass protection. In 2007, he put the team on his shoulders and elevated the play of a pretty mediocre offensive roster. Good QBs make full use of their offensive weapons. Great QBs elevate their play.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Apr 26, 2011 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Definitely.
He’s still better than a solid majority of the quarterbacks that come through the league.
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Downplaying how good Matt Hasselbeck was at his peak due to surrounding talent is pretty revisionist.
Hasselbeck in his prime was a very good quarterback.
Be that as it may.
I still wouldn’t call him a first round talent in his prime. I’d call him a mid-high second, but not a first (yes, not even a late first). Those are QBs with tons of talent, like Brady, Manning, Brees and Rodgers.
A high second?
Yes I would. Even in his prime, Hasselbeck wasn’t a game changer. He wasn’t a Rodgers or a Manning or a Brady or a Brees.
are you KIDDING ME??
Hasselbeck is first round value EASY. Not only would I pick him at 25, I’d pick him at 15 and I’d think about it at 10. With hindsight. Here are the first rounders that are starting in the NFL:
Sam Bradford, Rams (1st overall, 2010)
Matt Stafford, Lions (1st overall, 2009)
Mark Sanchez, Jets (5th overall, 2009)
Josh Freeman, Bucs (17th overall, 2009)
Matt Ryan, Falcons (3rd overall, 2008)
Joe Flacco, Ravens (18th overall, 2008)
Vince Young, Titans (3rd overall, 2006)
Jay Cutler, Bears (11th overall, 2006)
Alex Smith, 49ers (1st overall, 2005)
Aaron Rodgers, Packers (24th overall, 2005)
Jason Campbell, Raiders (25th overall, 2005)
Eli Manning, Giants (1st overall, 2004)
Philip Rivers, Chargers (4th overall, 2004)
Ben Roethlisberger, Steelers (11th overall, 2004)
Carson Palmer, Bengals (1st overall, 2003)
Michael Vick, Eagles (1st overall, 2001)
Donovan McNabb, Redskins (3rd overall, 1999)
Peyton Manning, Colts (1st overall, 1998)
Hasselbeck in his prime was better than any one of those guys who weren’t in the top 10, other than Rodgers and maybe Freeman. Campbell is prob an avg 25 pick QB.
Hasselbeck had talent around him but he made plays.
When he was at his peak he was not just a game manager, he was a very good quarterback.
Given that we've dealt with Bad Hasselbeck for so long
it’s easy to forget just how good he was. Everyone should go rewatch the 05 NFC Championship game just to remind themselves that, at one point, he had pretty good zip on his throws and moved around the pocket well.
That's Ponder's upside.
Matt Hasselbeck.
by Coach Owens on Apr 26, 2011 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ugh.
Just ugh.
That’s his upside in the same way Steve Young, Brett Favre and John Elway are Locker’s. So yeah, under that scenario, why not trade up for Jake, because he’s worth way more than Ponder in upside. He’s HoF not simply a guy with around 5 great years.
What if we simply took the highest ceiling players, who fit ANY system, and worked out the details later? If we do go that route, there’s no way you can convince me Ponder is a good choice in the 1st round.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Apr 26, 2011 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions
What I'm saying is
that Hasselbeck was never an elite QB. He was a very good QB at one time, but he was never an elite QB. In my opinion, you draft elite QBs in the first round and QBs who should be solid, but not great, in the 2nd round. That’s why I wouldn’t take Hasselbeck in the first round. That’s just me, though.
by Coach Owens on Apr 26, 2011 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions
So tell me,
besides Walter Jones, who was amazing on the offense in 2007 that made him look good? Honestly now.
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One good season doesn't make a QB elite.
Though I admit he was really good in 2007.
by Coach Owens on Apr 26, 2011 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions
And he was really good in 2002, 2003 and 2005 as well.
He was a top ten quarterback for 5 years. Whether that elite depends on your definition, but you’re not going to find that caliber quarterback in the second round 99% of the time.
Except for those three years you have to ask
if it was Hasselbeck who was good or if he performed better because of the OL and the running game.
by Coach Owens on Apr 27, 2011 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions
You don't have to ask that.
Hasselbeck was very good. He had better talent around him that helped make him better. He had worse talent around him that he made better. It’s football, not matter what player you’re talking about he had someone helping him get the job done.
That's a pretty ridiculous breakdown of drafting QB's.
Every team that takes a QB in the second round is looking for a “solid” quarterback? So what’s a fourth round QB worth? A seventh?
A second round QB isn't an elite prospect
but he’s a guy who, with time, you should expect to come in and at least hold down the fort, maybe make a couple of Pro Bowls in his career.
by Coach Owens on Apr 27, 2011 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions
In the past 20 years,
Brees and Favre are the only R2 QBs who have done anything. The players you named (Brees/Brady/Manning/Rodgers) wouldn’t make it anywhere near 25 if we knew how good they were, they wouldn’t even make it to 2. So to say you wouldn’t take Hasselbeck anywhere in R1 because he’s not as good as a first pick, is not logical.
by seattl on Apr 27, 2011 6:45 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That assumes that draft position=upside
Which is not the case at all. Draft position also factors in downside/floor/bust factor. You’re completely ignoring the issue of risk when you suggest that 2nd round = solid starter.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Apr 27, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
So would I.
And I’m obviously the champion of the “Don’t draft Ponder in the 1st” camp.
What if we simply took the highest ceiling players, who fit ANY system, and worked out the details later? If we do go that route, there’s no way you can convince me Ponder is a good choice in the 1st round.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Apr 26, 2011 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh man! this gets funnier every time I read it
For a minute I thought you were serious!
How can you look at comp% without looking at the offensive system and the competition?
Absent context, those numbers mean absolutely nothing.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Apr 26, 2011 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't disagree
but it’s something you can’t completely ignore. His career AY/A was 7.9, on the lower end for sure, but not entirely a dink and donk offense, in my opinion. And it’s still higher than Locker, for example, and a few others. Overall, I’m not impressed with this QB class at all, so if I was using up a first round pick I really wouldn’t want a “toolsy prospect”.
I think most people don't like the fact that he was rated as a 4th round prospect in January and has magically shot up mock draft boards without any real justification
by hawksfan1401 on Apr 26, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
That echoes my sentiments
I’m fine with the guy as a mid rounder. To me, it’s just ridiculous how he’s now being considered at 8. He put up stats in a goofy offense against crap competition. His Senior Bowl was quite poor as he could barely attempt a pass over 12 yards without it looking like a kite in a tornado. Combine that with that rather embarrassing episode with Gruden, and I find it nuts that he’s raised to this level. To me, he’s a lesser Colt McCoy.
There have been way too many “winners” in college with poor physical talent who amount to nothing in the NFL. I’m not saying a QB has to be John Elway, but there’s a reason the NFL even evaluates physical tools. Otherwise, Matt Leinart, Jason White, and Colt Brennan would replace Brady, Manning, and Rodgers. Whatever team drafts Dalton better have an elite defense and run game because he might be the easiest QB in the NFL to game plan for because you never have to worry about outside the hash marks or more than 15 yards downfield. That to me doesn’t warrant a first round selection.
*outside the numbers I meant
Basically defending a smaller field due to his physical ability.
Seneca Wallace was a winner too wasn't he?
Too lazy to google it.
Recently engaged! Best. Off-season. Ever.
Where the fuck is this Dalton mancrush coming from?
I’ve never seen a mid-tier prospect vault into the elite discussion this fast, and with nothing backing it up. Not an impressive Combine, or pro workout, or interview. Now he’s being talked up as a Top 10 pick.
Has the whole world GONE CRAZY?! MARK IT ZERO!
by Benne on Apr 26, 2011 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Maybe they're all right, we're wrong.
And then, obviously, we’d be way out of our element.
What if we simply took the highest ceiling players, who fit ANY system, and worked out the details later? If we do go that route, there’s no way you can convince me Ponder is a good choice in the 1st round.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Apr 26, 2011 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Prior to the draft last year.....
the Hawks were able to get depth during free agency. Without free agency pre-draft this year, it makes who they draft VERY important. I think the only way they stay put at 25 is because of a big drop of a top 10-15 talent. I just can’t wait for Thursday to come so we can start to see how the front office is going to continue to build up this team.
Marcus Cannon
Guard from TCU has cancer apparently. Probably was gonna go in the 2nd round before that came out. Where do you think he goes now?
Two-thirds of the earth is covered by water. The other third is covered by Earl Thomas.
Link
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/news/story?id=6432659
Two-thirds of the earth is covered by water. The other third is covered by Earl Thomas.
Obviously this guy will suffer some setbacks
But I don’t think it will make him drop far, maybe to late 2nd or early 3rd (which was where he was to begin with). In fact, if he recovers well, teams and GMs are gonna love his mentality and toughness.
And of course, best of luck with his treatment.
I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul - Invictus
I dunno,
I think he can fall pretty far…
Two-thirds of the earth is covered by water. The other third is covered by Earl Thomas.
I agree, it sounds like he is looking at chemo
It sounds like has a very treatable form of cancer, but you figure several months of chemotherapy are going to leave him in no condition to play football, after which he will need to re-build his strength, learn a new playbook (not that bad for a lineman though), and be placed into an offensive line that he has not had time to play next to. Top that off with the fact that Cannon doesn’t play a premium position. If I am drafting a guard in Round 2, I don’t expect him to be Mike Iupati, but I do expect him to be able to come in and start from day one. Cannon’s unfortunate situation will prevent that from happening, I think will knock him down two rounds.
College athletics are corrupt and I suspect wrestling may be scripted
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