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Seahawks Only Team to Attend Pro Day for Greg McElroy

The Seahawks attended former Alabama QB Greg McElroy's pro day on Tuesday, and were the only NFL team on hand. The Seahawks representatives were southeast scout Derrick Jensen and Quarterbacks Coach Carl Smith. The fact that they were on hand could mean anything, but it can be guessed that the Hawks are doing their due diligence and have McElroy in mind in the later rounds if their first couple of options don't work out. 

Even if the Hawks do take a QB early in the draft, that doesn't necessarily preclude them from taking another one later on. Keep in mind the Seahawks have only one QB signed at the moment and so the idea of drafting a second, developmental QB in the late rounds is not out of the question. John Schneider's Green Bay Packers did that in '08 when they drafted Brian Brohm in the 2nd and Matt Flynn in the 7th. 

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The 6'2, 225lb QB threw for 2,982 yards with a 70.6% completion rate, with 19 TDs to only 5 interceptions his senior year at Alabama. His QB rating was 168.98 on the year. His high completion rate and knack for taking care of the ball could be a very attractive trait to Pete Carroll and company - and they may be willing to take a flier on the signal caller. He is a semi-mobile QB - he ran the 40 in the 4.8 range - not terrible, so he could handle the bootlegs and half rollouts expected to be omnipresent in the Hawks offense next year. He throws accurately on the run for the mid-range throws but lacks a lot of zip on his deep ball, according to scouting reports. The main knock on McElroy is his throwing motion, and many experts believe that NFL teams will want him to change it, much like was done with Tim Tebow. This has hurt his stock immensely.

One thing that McElroy possesses is intelligence - he scored 43 out of 50 on the Wonderlic and got the best score of any QB in the draft this year, was a Rhodes Scholarship finalist last year and already has finished his Master's Degree in Sports Administration with a 4.0 GPA. In other words, you won't have to worry about him learning your offense or putting in the time in the film room

Here is what Brad Noel of CBSSports had to say about McElroy:

Positives: A winner, even a national champion, both in high school and college. Can be very accurate with good footwork. Two-year SEC starter demonstrates good ability to read coverage and make the right decision. Excellent TD/INT ratio. Has a nice touch on deep throws. While not blessed with a cannon arm, has enough arm strength to make most throws. Decent pocket presence and ability to detect pressure.

Negatives: Has a hitch in the throwing motion, where the wrist turns the ball almost 180 degrees right before his elbow starts moving forward. Most NFL teams will insist on correcting that. Not fast, agile or mobile. When pressured, has a tendency to lose his footwork, and that is when his accuracy fails. May have disproportionately benefited from superior supporting casts in both college and high school.

I personally like that the Seahawks were on hand for McElroy's pro day. The first reason being that they may have also been there scouting South Alabama WR Courtney Smith, a small-school mid to late round guy with off the charts physical potential that I've mentioned before. The second reason is that I actually like McElroy. I don't think you want to draft him with the hopes that he comes in to be your franchise QB, but he's a guy that could come in and be a very solid backup QB with the potential to be able to run your offense. He would come at a relatively cheap price if he were to go in the 6th, and if he slid even farther he'd be a great PFA signing.

To me, McElroy is a similar quarterback to say Andy Dalton or Christian Ponder - everyone describes these guys the exact same way they describe McElroy - good leader, smart, accurate throwers, good on the move in the intermediate range but lack elite arm strength for the deep passes. I know I'm oversimplifying it for sure and selling both Dalton and Ponder way short - as they have both been mocked into the first round these days, but if you're going to want a guy that can just 'run your offense', like many people think the Seahawks will be doing if they draft Ponder or Dalton, why not get it at a discount? Why give up a first or second round pick for a player with limited upside but a solid ability to run your offense, when you can get a player with a similar skill-set  late in the draft. I'm not just talking about McElroy either - Ricky Stanzi, Nathan Enderle and Scott Tolzien all fall into this category as well.

Either way, I'm sort of ranting now so I'll stop. It's interesting to say the least though that the Seahawks were the only team to attend.

Here's a video of his workout with WR Courtney Smith catching passes as well.


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Hmmm

obviously has issues with the long ball, but given the WCO, maybe not that big of a detractor?

by gimpycb on Apr 8, 2011 8:59 AM PDT reply actions  

Christian Ponder and Andy Dalton are head and shoulders above McElroy.

McElroy will be able to run an offense just like Max Hall was able to run an offense.

by Nate Dogg on Apr 8, 2011 10:01 AM PDT reply actions  

Amen...

Can’t figure out where this Dalton-Ponder media love fest came from.

Ponder has actually been a quite poor decision maker on the field in college, but apparently having an MBA makes you Peyton Manning smart on the football field.

Dalton being a “winner” and “very accurate” despite playing in a terrible conference on a superior team in a goofy dink and dunk system makes him Aaron Rodgers all of a sudden.

I vividly remember watching the Senior Bowl and I couldn’t be less impressed by these 2. Their throws cut through the wind like a kite in a wind tunnel. Never have I ever thought watching these guys, that I was looking at 2 future starting NFL QBs. Praying like no other that we avoid these guys.

by MTJ on Apr 8, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

also, it was mostly hyperbole in the comparison

but i just really shudder at the thought of drafting Ponder or Dalton in the 1st.

by Danny Kelly on Apr 8, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Huge fear of mine

Can’t get behind either of those guys. So underwhelming in so many aspects of the game. I’m not dying for a QB with a bottom tier starter ceiling.

by MTJ on Apr 8, 2011 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I had been thinking 6th or 7th round, but considering the project QBs that offer

the same things he does start in the 2nd round, and the entire class is deep but similarly limited, it wouldn’t surprise me to see all the looks at QB to eventually get dried up despite him still being on the board. So now that Scruffy brings it up, it sounds possible.

I wouldn’t be averse to drafting him in the 6th either.

Head of catering.

by jacobstevens on Apr 8, 2011 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

We'll know for sure in a couple weeks.

But I’ve seen several mocks that have him being taken. (Not that I put much weight into any of them.)

I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.

by Dukeshire on Apr 8, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, he passes the 27-26-60 rule

Or whatever the numbers are. So by some measures, he’s far more likely to succeed than Cam Newton, Jake Locker, and Ryan Mallet.

by aarendsvark on Apr 8, 2011 11:46 AM PDT reply actions  

I've always thought it would be a good Idea to always take a qb every draft.

Then use the qb as trade bait. Everyone is crazy about qb’s around the league.

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by RolloTomasi on Apr 8, 2011 12:38 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Yeah I agree -

Just take a look at Green Bay, since i used them as an example earlier- they took a flier on Matt Flynn, he played in two games, and now is being rumored for a trade for as high as a 2nd round pick. It’s not going to happen often, but like you said, people are crazy about QB’s.

by Danny Kelly on Apr 8, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Second Tier QBs due for a fall

Happens every year. Remember when Dan Lefevour and Tony Pike were considered steals in round 2? Well they fell like a rock. The list goes on and on.

The media picks “winners” in college who have little to no physical talent and tout them up to be the next best thing. Sadly, if you dig deeper into the analysis of these players, when the only positive qualities listed are, “winner,” “leader,” and “WCO QB,” it basically means they don’t have physical skill to talk about. After all, do you hear about Andrew Luck being a “winner”? Or do pundits actually boast about his physical skills and ability to tear apart a defense? I would argue it’s the latter.

Furthermore,I know everyone wants to say accuracy is everything and arm strength is overrated, but there’s a reason a vast majority of successful starting NFL QBs have good tools. It’s just necessary to succeed. Physical talent gives you a greater margin for error. If you have poor arm strength like Dalton, McElroy, and Ponder, you have to have elite accuracy/anticipation/mental skills to survive in the NFL. Windows are smaller and bad arms make them even smaller. Sure, Brees and Matt Ryan don’t have “great” arms, but they are not liabilities like every second tier QB outside of Kaepernick.

I know this has turned into a novel, but there’s a reason you don’t see a ton of poor arm QBs with great track records. It’s a similar reason why you don’t see MLB pitchers who throw 80MPH. Lacking physical talent isn’t a death warrant for these players, but it must be recognized that everything else must be close to elite if they wish to experience success at the professional level. McElroy is the poster boy for “good college football player with no physical talent for the NFL level.”

Draft him into the front office or as a 3rd string guy, but don’t expect him to amount to anything in the NFL.

by MTJ on Apr 8, 2011 1:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Kiper, McShay and other pundits had those guys in the top 50 range

for most of the pre-draft season. Let’s not forget Colt McCoy on that list too.

My point is we have guys who weren’t even considered top 100 prospects until this off-season. That to me is a huge red flag because apparently their play during actual games in season didn’t warrant that consideration. Could be just a reactionary thing this year as there isn’t the “sure thing” at QB.

by MTJ on Apr 8, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I do (and if not the 2nd then definitely the 3rd)

The problem with picking QBs is that you can only really start 1. With most draft picks, you want guys in rounds 1-3 to start/rotate in and 4-7 to contribute pretty quickly. You’re not going to be able to get the same kind of production out of a 2nd tier QB as you would a 2nd tier OL/DL/DB/LB/etc. That’s why these guys fall on draft day—because they can’t contribute immediately and may never contribute.

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Apr 8, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great points

And I will add that many of these second tier QBs have to reach their max potential to become a competent starter in the NFL. Obviously, once in a blue moon, a later round guy physically/mentally develops, but more often than not, they don’t amount to much.

My concern is we’ve allowed the need for a QB to get this far, that I don’t think (if we want to experience real success) you can rely on the Andy Daltons of the world.

*Just to clarify, I’m not saying Dalton, Ponder, etc can’t be successful, it’s just that the odds are obviously not in their favor, and personally I’m not in favor of relying on a game manager. I don’t think you can win like that anymore and the Hawks are clearly not capable of relying on such play.

by MTJ on Apr 8, 2011 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's too early to call them busts.

They just had their rookie seasons.

Learn JiuJitsu, it's fun.

by RolloTomasi on Apr 8, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm definitely not calling them busts

I’m merely commenting on their draft projection compared to where they actually got drafted.

by MTJ on Apr 8, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah I see. I misunderstood.

Who cares where they go in the draft?
It’s all about where they end up right?

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by RolloTomasi on Apr 8, 2011 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm intrigued by McElroy

He seems like kind of a middling athlete and appear to be suffering from early male pattern baldness (Hasselbeck redux!).

If his scouting report cited above is at all accurate he is definitely worth a look as early as the 5th round. The one major ‘flaw’ is a complete joke. His mechanics don’t prevent him from throwing accurate passes or hanging on to the football (as far as I know). From the video I see no evidence that it any way prevents him from throwing the ball down the field effectively and quickly. This is different from Tebow whose throwing motion was elongated and prevented him from getting rid of the ball quickly.

Again this is based on the scouting report which I find a bit weak. Anybody else find any good scouting that offers more downsides than a supposed delivery problem?

by farmer cam on Apr 8, 2011 5:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Here's something (note the lack of mobility, strong supporting cast, losing footwork when pressured):

Negatives: Has a hitch in the throwing motion, where the wrist turns the ball almost 180 degrees right before his elbow starts moving forward. Most NFL teams will insist on correcting that. Not fast, agile or mobile. When pressured, has a tendency to lose his footwork, and that is when his accuracy fails. May have disproportionately benefited from superior supporting casts in both college and high school.

by Hawksince77 on Apr 8, 2011 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nearly every positive in that report is a joke

A winner, even a national champion, both in high school and college – This is meaningless and one of his negatives speaks to that: “May have disproportionately benefited from superior supporting casts in both college and high school.”

Can be very accurate with good footwork – Can be, but isn’t. Again, one of the negatives goes on to completely refute this: “When pressured, has a tendency to lose his footwork, and that is when his accuracy fails.”

Two-year SEC starter demonstrates good ability to read coverage and make the right decision – Jordan Jefferson is a two year SEC starter too. As far as reading coverage and making good decisions goes, he’s able to do this in the game manager kind of way. He doesn’t read a defense and make a play, he avoids major mistakes and lets Julio Jones, Trent Richardson, Mark Ingram and the Bama defense do the heavy lifting.

Excellent TD/INT ratio – See above.

Has a nice touch on deep throws – If only he had the arm strength to make that meaningful.

While not blessed with a cannon arm, has enough arm strength to make most throws – Against air, sure. He will not have the arm strength to fit passes into NFL sized windows. And his lack of athletic ability will compound this problem when he’s pressured. He doesn’t have the athletic ability to escape and reset or the out of this world arm strength to allow him to complete passes without his feet under him.

Decent pocket presence and ability to detect pressure – A sack rate of 9.5%, higher than Mallett’s 6%, doesn’t agree.

by Nate Dogg on Apr 8, 2011 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

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