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Appalachian State Defensive Backs Coach Scot Sloan on Mark LeGree

LeGree at the Combine

When the Seahawks drafted Appalachian State's Mark LeGree in the 5th round of the NFL Draft, I know a lot of people had the immediate reaction of -"who?"-. I like to think I was pretty up on a lot of the players getting drafted this year even into the 7th round, but though I knew LeGree's name I had never really done my homework on him. After the first reaction of confusion, things start to make sense as you take a look at some his statistics from his college career and you start piecing together why the Hawks were so high on LeGree through the whole process. 

I reached out to Mark's defensive backs' coach from Appalachian State, Scot Sloan, and he had some really interesting thoughts on his former player. The first thing I wanted to know was what made LeGree such a special player, from his coach's point of view.

"Mark has really good speed and plays with that speed on the field," was the first thing that the former Clemson defensive back noted, "I have seen fast guys that don't play fast on the field, but Mark will play fast."

I love that this is the first thing that comes to Sloan's mind when asked about a player; one of the things you love about Earl Thomas is his game speed. He's fast but he plays faster. I'm a firm believer in the idea that there is a difference between track speed and football speed and it's what separates the 'athletes' from the 'players'. 

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Obviously though, game speed isn't everything, especially for a safety. Sloan continued, "He also has natural ball instincts and takes great angles to the ball when it is in the air. I think this was the greatest factor in his 22 career interceptions." Having football instincts is one of the least tangible of all the intangibles, and can be very hard to define. On the defense, having this innate ability to know where the ball is going or what the playcall is trying to exploit may be most important for the middle linebacker and the free safety. Lofa Tatupu has made his career on this ability and we're seeing glimpses of it in Earl Thomas as he develops. If LeGree can translate some of this to the NFL level the Seahawks' defense is going to look scarier and scarier to opposing QBs. It begs the question though, where does LeGree fit into the Hawks' defensive schemes?

"He also had good man cover skills for a safety." Sloan replied, "I told many scouts that visited with me that Mark could possibly play the nickel position because of his man cover skills. Mark has a great understanding of football and is a fast learner when it comes to schemes and adjustments. He was the one that communicated all the adjustments to the rest of the secondary."

This type of versatility could mean he could see snaps in his rookie season and work his way onto the field more and more as he adjusts to the NFL level. We all know the Hawks use packages of 5, 6 and even 7 defensive backs at times and we may see Legree working at the nickel and on the field in the Bandit package the Hawks love to run. I wouldn't stop there though - LeGree mentioned, after being drafted, "I can play the single high safety. I'm a reliable safety, and I can pick off that deep ball. They said they wanted me to protect the deep ball. They were telling me that this was a great situation for me to come in and possibly start."

"They told they're trying to get younger and faster on defense and that just meant a lot," LeGree said, "because it's a new movement for the defense and they want me to be a part of it. They just told me they loved the way I played. They said I was a good tackler and they liked that I was a 'ballhawk. They want that to transition into the NFL."

So realistically you may see LeGree get involved as the single high safety responsible for the deep play or the Hawks may play him early in the nickel or bandit and he'll be asked to do some blitzing or man-coverage on receivers. With this in mind I asked Sloan to describe some of the ways Appalachian State used LeGree in blitz packages or in coverage, something that Mark may be responsible for in certain situations. 

"One running joke in the DB meeting room is that anytime a new blitz went in the gameplan that it always involved the other safety, a CB, or the nickel but Mark never got in on the fun." he replied, laughing. "According to him I think he told me he only blitzed 1 time during his entire career at App St and that blitz resulted in a sack. When we did install a blitz that involved him he swears we never called it in a game....so maybe he will get a few more blitzes called for him on the NFL..." 

Be that as it may, I would guess the main reason LeGree was taken out of blitz packages is because he was so adept at picking off passes but I think the overlying theme about Mark is that he's a playmaker which gives the Hawks a pretty dangerous weapon to work with.

I was curious what type of player Mark is on the the field and in the locker room and his former coach described him as "a pretty low key guy. He shows up for work every day but doesn't say a whole lot. He gets excited when he makes plays but he isn't the type of guy who will lead the locker room pre-game chants to get everyone fired up." This comment would lead me to assume we shouldn't expect any Ray Lewis-esque pre-game dance numbers but I can live with that - I'd rather have a guy be effective than flashy. 

For a player that had 22 interceptions in his college career, picking a favorite play might be a tough task, but Stone had one play in mind when I asked him to choose one. As he described it, "One of the best plays I saw him make as a senior was vs The Citadel.The QB was trying to throw the ball away out of bounds on the boundary and Mark was covering the wheel route. When I saw him burst for the ball I thought to myself- 'there is no way he will get to that ball'- but he did. It was a very impressive play on the ball to make that interception."

Here's to hoping he can bring some of that magic to the Hawks' secondary. 

Thanks again to Scot for taking the time to answer some of my questions. I'll continue in a series of posts to delve a little further into each of our new draftees so stay tuned. 

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Look at you, Danny! Interviewing assistant coaches and stuff. Very nice.

Great article, though. I’m SUPER excited to see what Legree can do. He’s exactly my type of a 5th round pick – a big time contributor from a small program that has the potential to be something special in the NFL.

I’m not a fan of the “didn’t accomplish much in college, but has a hugely tall ceiling” players, especially that late in the draft.

"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM

by Nick Andron on May 16, 2011 8:50 AM PDT reply actions  

Well

I feel exponentially more secure in our safety position. I hope that LeGree’s skills transfer well to the pro level. If he can play similarly to how he did in college at pro speed and be able to adjust, then he could definitely be a diamond in the rough- type pick. Otherwise, I assume that at the absolute most (and depending upon how long the lockout lasts) Milloy’s back for one more year in the role of player/mentor/coach. However what does this mean for the cornerback position now? It seems that the Seahawks have done next to nothing to address the pass rush, and unfortunately I don’t think Chris Clemons will be able to repeat the success he had last season. Is management intending to pick-up another # 2 cornerback ? (on the presumption that they’ll let Kelly Jennings walk away). Or is the plan to go forward with Thurmond as the corner starting opposite Trufant with Roy Lewis at Nickle?

by Zarleyhawk on May 16, 2011 8:58 AM PDT reply actions  

Good Read

I’m a student at Appalachian State and have watched Mark for four years as a starter. I’ve always been a Seahawks fan and was super pumped when Seattle called Mark’s name on Draft Day. He is a very impressive football player who plays with incredible speed and loves to blow people up on the field. I sure hope he works out in Seattle because I would love to purchase a Seahawk LeGree jersey to go along with my Mountaineer LeGree jersey.
This is an excellent read Danny with nice insight with Coach Sloan. I’m not nitpicking but Mark had 10 INT’s his Sophomore season, 7 his Junior, and 5 his Senior due to offenses planning for LeGree’s ballhawking skills. Keep up the good work I love this site.

by Gabe Presnell on May 16, 2011 9:15 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

I, for one am happy to see

a straight up thief added to the bandit package. They’ll be the sick seven before long.

70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.

by hazbro24 on May 16, 2011 9:30 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

7 Hawkur-hai

…tried to make a play on Uruk hai…

Two-thirds of the earth is covered by water. The other third is covered by Earl Thomas.

by Bobby Cink on May 16, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

I doubt it, Thomas is a very solid Safety

I would expect both to be at safety, Legree can play SS as can ET if either were asked.

by PA hawkfan on May 16, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

I find that ironic...

too small to play corner but big enough to play safety.

And bdeviled11, yes, he can play corner, but don’t expect him to. I think they feel like they have addressed corner some too in this draft, and have just enough to skim by.

Please, Seattle. Can we rebuild the right way for once...That means without a faded hero leading a charge towards mediocrity.... And if you haven't figured it out yet, that means no more Hasselbeck.

by Tyler Jorgensen on May 16, 2011 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think the line between corner and free safety is a little more blurred

For instance, ET played a bunch of man coverage (on Danny Amendola, the slot WR) in the last Rams game. There’s also talk of moving him up on the line in Bandit/Nickel packages (for man coverage or blitzing or even dropping back in zone) so as to take full advantage of his flexibility. I think bringing in another guy like ET allows for just a lot more flexibility and complexity in coverage/defensive schemes going forward.

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on May 16, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

YES ET at CB at times

Wthout Jennings ET is our best option in man to cover the guick Welker type WRs. It is a little funny and backwards that PC likes his CBs possibly bigger than his star Safety but ET is a unique talent that gives us great flexibility. Great article Danny! I would like to hear what opposing coaches think of our draftees since they would be unbiased. I would think as a scout they would be the best source of info but rarely hear much about that.

Respect goes a long way....

by Mangolover on May 16, 2011 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good job, Danny.

I think if one reads this you can get a real sense of what Carroll has in mind for a player with Legree’s tools. Milloy was used much like this with Carroll in NE, but at his age and decline… Last year we saw very little of the SS rotating to Cover-1 or Cover-3.

In any case, I see him with a significantly larger role than simply nickel or in Bandit packages (at least as he develops, moving forward).

I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.

by Dukeshire on May 16, 2011 9:59 AM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, I've read that a few times, it's interesting.

They way he describes their safeties it’s almost like they just have two free safeties in there. They both can swing back and play the deep middle third in certain situations or come up to the line and play the man coverage of the slot receiver.

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by Danny Kelly on May 16, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yep, while also supporting the run and that's what I see in Legree (potentially) at SS.

That is sort of a classic Carroll piece by now, but it’s still really fun to see them add players to fit into a specific scheme that is clearly defined. There are a couple pieces like that one out there and they’re all great templets to study while players are being added. (At least I get off on that sort of thing.)

I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.

by Dukeshire on May 16, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

I do too - I'll try and put something together - maybe a few part series on it.

I’m also noodling a piece on the press-man coverage vs zone and off-man coverage they do

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by Danny Kelly on May 16, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

That will be cool.

Last year they simply didn’t have the horses to press at the line as often as you know Carroll wants. And you’re right, they run (ran) enough cover-2 and quarters that a zone breakdown is worthwhile.

Keep up the good work!

I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.

by Dukeshire on May 16, 2011 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

found a link that has the interception that Legree had, shows off his speed to say the least

not sure if the QB was throwing away the ball or just overthrew the receiver but it was a nice pick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFxJ9urWuM4

it’s at 2:40, unless you care about ASU I would just skip ahead cause the commentary is…. ehh

by PA hawkfan on May 16, 2011 10:01 AM PDT reply actions  

Good Find On The Video

Good find. LeGree Looks like he’s that extra protection in the secondary we need. And damn, he looks fast on film.

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by JRock419 on May 16, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

YouTube tip of the day

Just add #t=2m40s at the end of your YouTube link to jump to your desired time frame., like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFxJ9urWuM4#t=2m40s

And speaking of YouTube, based on this interview, I think he seems like a good person ( how can you not like a guy who has Kung Fu Panda as his favorite movie?) and I hope is does well as a Seahawk:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYgQwwL0Afo

by SnakeElvis on May 16, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Great tip... I'm never gonna remember it... but great tip.

Please, Seattle. Can we rebuild the right way for once...That means without a faded hero leading a charge towards mediocrity.... And if you haven't figured it out yet, that means no more Hasselbeck.

by Tyler Jorgensen on May 16, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks y'all

I’m going to try to get you this type of thing more often.

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by Danny Kelly on May 16, 2011 10:24 AM PDT reply actions  

Was wondering if you could find somestuff or give your opinion of Malcom Smith

all I knowis he’s anathletic freak at LB, was thinking he would make sense at SS to fill the Taylor mays role that Caroll likes. Thoughts?

by PA hawkfan on May 16, 2011 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah - I was planning on doing a piece on him

I think he was told he’d be playing the Will linebacker spot but in the bandit package or other DB heavy sets he’d play linebacker but he has the ability to run with tight ends and receivers. He’d be matched up against running backs in certain situations too.

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by Danny Kelly on May 16, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

What makes you believe that track speed doesn't equate to football speed?

Not that I disagree. It’s an argument I’ve had with some friends, and neither side can posit anything resembling real evidence.

Teams (for foreign blogs): Seahawks, Mariners, Huskies and Broncos. Yes, I recognize the contradiction; I was born in Denver.

by THolt on May 16, 2011 3:41 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Football is played in pads and players seldom have luxury of running in a straight line for long

Also, football players need to run with an awareness of their surroundings and may have to sprint dozens of times per day.

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on May 16, 2011 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

track vs fb

football speed is being fast and thinking at the sametime, some folks slow waaaayyyy down if they charged with thinking

by hawkster on May 16, 2011 5:52 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

it doesn't ALWAYS equate - it can for sure. But not always.

One, running on a track is a lot different than on a grass field. Different footing, different plant technique; lateral vs just running forward. Track speed is typically described as ‘straight line’ speed. Football speed is change of direction, backpedaling, swiveling of hips, etc.

Just per personal experience – I would say I’ve got pretty decent quickness on a basketball court (for a white guy). WHen I get onto a football field I don’t have any advantage of quickness and just look like any other guy because grass footing is way different than wood floors where you can have 100% confidence in your plant foot. I don’t know the scientific explanation of this but that’s just what I’ve experienced.

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by Danny Kelly on May 16, 2011 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why did you have to throw out the "for a white guy."

Quicks are quicks.

I could jump well for any ethnic heritage in my day, but always resented the “you jump well for a white boy” label. I jumped as well on average as anyone playing CC ball in the state of Washington 15 years ago.

I don’t know, I just hate that sort of label.

Please, Seattle. Can we rebuild the right way for once...That means without a faded hero leading a charge towards mediocrity.... And if you haven't figured it out yet, that means no more Hasselbeck.

by Tyler Jorgensen on May 16, 2011 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Heheh.

No, brag.

Why shouldn’t we, when we’re just that damn awesome!!!

Please, Seattle. Can we rebuild the right way for once...That means without a faded hero leading a charge towards mediocrity.... And if you haven't figured it out yet, that means no more Hasselbeck.

by Tyler Jorgensen on May 16, 2011 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Its the quick change of direction and the surface you run on

in track you either run a straight line or have long drawn out turns instead of on the football field where you have to be able to stop on a dime and change your direction while maintaining your speed

by dankfranks on May 16, 2011 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Its also knowing where to run

Track only has one direction to run. In football, knowing where to run is half the battle. A guy with great speed can’t use it if he doesn’t know where to apply it. I see this all the time even at the junior leagues where I coach. I line the kids up and run sprints and the top four or five may be about the same speed. Put them on the football field and suddenly one or two stand out way faster than the others.

by SpellStitchedHawk on May 16, 2011 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think that's the key distinction.

Track speed would equate 1:1, all else (pads, surface, conditions etc.) being equal, a safe generalization. But football speed is as much about where you’re going as how fast you get there. Track speed is one dimensional, football speed is multidimensional.

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by THolt on May 16, 2011 5:17 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

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