Seahawks NFL Draft 2011: Best/Worst Picks
Now that the draft is over and we've had a few days to research the newest Seahawks, most of us naturally have our favorite/least favorite picks. Though I can say with all honesty that I like a FEW of our draft picks a lot, I think my favorite pick so far is Appalachian State safety Mark LeGree. Here's why I like it: first, I just inherently like mid-round small school prospects; call it a quixotic sentiment, but I think the idea of finding a potential future ballhawking playmaker and plucking him from relative obscurity is exciting.
The guy led all of FCS with a career 22 interceptions. Despite being largely avoided by opposing offenses by his senior season, he still made 5 interceptions and broke up 8 passes. The instincts and football IQ needed for that kind of production when opposing teams gameplan away from you is pretty impressive. He flew under the radar due to his average athleticism, but as the cliche goes, he appears to have elite game speed. He also shows an uncanny ability to read the quarterback's eyes and his football instincts seem to be off the charts.
Obviously, because he was in FCS and facing lower competition he'll have a steep learning curve coming into the NFL. He'll have to take a few bumps as NFL caliber QBs look him off of routes and he'll undoubtedly get suckered on pump fakes a time or three. But, if he can translate some of those instincts and natural ballhawking ability to this level he could be a huge steal for the Hawks. He plays like a free safety and that may be where they see him, but with the amount the Hawks used the Nickel and Bandit packages last year I can easily see him playing alongside Earl Thomas in passing situations and that would give the Hawks the type of turnover producing secondary they have been sorely missing.
I have no doubt this is why Pete Carroll and John Schneider ultimately took a chance on LeGree. For a coach that has a Turnover Thursday every week of practice during the season, it's a no-brainer to go get one of the biggest turnover-producing machines in FCS. NFL teams that were plus or even in the turnover ratio in 2010 had a combined record of 215-41. In other words, teams that win the turnover battle win 84% of the time. The Seahawks had 12 interceptions in 2010 compared to 20 by their opponents. Getting playmakers was one of the Hawks' biggest priorities on defense and they did that with Mark LeGree, a guy that I think could have an immediate impact in certain sets and could be a star down the road.
On the other hand, my least favorite pick was probably Lazarius 'Pep' Levingston, but more so due to my ignorance of who he was or what he could bring to the table. I was hoping for Lawrence Guy (taken shortly after) or an interior defensive tackle but the Hawks chose to add depth at the 5-tech position with the selection of Levingston. At this point his obscurity and a collection of relatively mediocre scouting reports haven't helped, but because the 5-tech in Pete Carroll's defense is a bit of a unique position, the Hawks' front office must see something in him that they can work with at that spot.
He appears to be pretty athletic for his size and from multiple accounts, he uses his hands well and can get off of blocks violently. He's got the size and speed you'd expect for the position - Red Bryant is a bit of an anomaly with his size/speed ratio so you can't really hope to find that very often. Pep is about 6'4, 292, and if he can gain about 10 pounds he'd be at about what you'd expect in size from a 2-gapping DE in a 3-4, or in Pete Carroll's case, a C-Gap run stopping specialist in his 4-3 under scheme at the 5-tech position.
We'll see how he does in OTA's and training camp.
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In the day three press conference
They (Pete?) said they were targeting LeGree as a nickel free safety, with hopes of moving Earl in those packages (presumably closer to the line of scrimmage, in range for blitz mayhem). Interesting idea.
Anyway, I think he was my favorite pick, too.
I heard it was Nick Reed who got Osama.
I really like Legree for his obvious ball-hawking skills. But my favorite pick might be the “reach” we did to get Kris Durham. I think he helped stretch the defense. for AJ Green. He could do the same for BMW. The Lazarious pick is my least fav. tho. But maybe they see something in him. I thought he could have been a udfa.
A comment on Nick Reed....
I don’t know who you guys think he is, but he is NOT the guy that plays THOR in the upcoming movie not coincidentally titled “THOR.” I was watching TNT (or was it SPIKE, or TBS, or FX…it doesn’t matter, they’re all pretty much the same) yesterday (trying to watch anything other than sports to recover from the hell that was all 7 rounds of the NFL draft), and they had a superhero movie marathon hosted by the guy who’s gonna play Thor. I forgot what his name is, but it was NOT Nick Reed.
P.S.: I’m they guy everybody blasted a few posts ago for not knowing who Nick Reed was. Looks like I’m not the only one.
by Chief Knockahomer on May 2, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
I'm going to let you in on a little secret
Nick Reed was a 7th round draft pick selected by Seattle in 2009. He was an undersized, not very athletic DE out of Oregon. During the pre-season in 2009, he made a couple of plays and managed to find his way onto the roster.
In the regular season, he’s mostly remembered for recovering a fumble against Jacksonville that he returned for about a 90 yard TD.
“Nick Reed” has become something of a meme on this site. Think Chuck Norris.
And for the record, no one said Nick Reed was in the movie THOR. We said the movie THOR was based on Nick Reed’s life.
by SmartAssCoug on May 2, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Key stat = he lead the NFL in sacks in the pre-season
The man is obviously not a man but a football playing man-beast descended from demi-gods who eat QBs for breakfast. Chuck Norris aint got shit on Nick Reed! The Kung Fu in Nick Reeds pinky nail is stronger than that in all of Walker Texas Ranger!
by CMoney87 on May 2, 2011 1:03 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Nick Reed could never "play" Thor
For Nick Reed IS Thor!!!
by CMoney87 on May 2, 2011 1:00 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
They generally get an actor to play someone in their biography.
I wouldn’t put it past Reed to play himself though.
Nick Reed is not Thor.
Nick Reed is the hammer that Thor wields, without which Thor is quite useless.
http://17power.blogspot.com
This is fucking hilarious.
But not for the reason you meant it to be I imagine :)
by CurryInAHurry59 on May 2, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
When life gives Nick Reed lemons,
he ignores them and sacks the quarterback again.
Nick Reed hates lemonade.
Life never gives Nick Reed lemons though
If he wants lemons, Nick Reed will damn well take the lemons and kick life in the teeth.
Nick Did IT!!!!!
I can’t believe all the hints that were given about NICK REED, and I’m still convinced he was Thor, just missing his hammer that year. He remembers who he was after getting hurt in the pre-season, and remembering who he is….. he takes off to Save Asgard from Loki.That’s why he’s not on the team anymore. Nick Reed IS Thor. Pretty simple when you look at it that way.
I for one, have never seen Nick Reed and Thor in the same room together.
Just something to ponder.
"When Pete first got here he said he wanted to establish the run and stop the run
Pete’s the architect and Cable’s the contractor." --Greetings from the Lord Humongous!
by Tyler Jorgensen on May 2, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Favorite: Richard Sherman
Reason: one of the late rounders that I see growing into a role as a full-time base package starters. The others I see as quirky contributors to augment certain looks/packages.
Least Favorite: James Carpenter.
For reasons stated practically everywhere. I’m not sold that he’s better than Carimi and Sherrod. I’m not sold he’s all that much more valuable than Ijalana or Franklin even though their guards. Odds are one of those five trade offers would have ended up putting them somewhere in the middle of the second while picking up value and still (presumably) having a shot at one of those five guys, or potentially trading back up if a run started happening.
isn't the fact that Carpenter started everywhere a knock on his ability to actually play RT?
If he was really that good at RT or G wouldn’t it be better to lock him in that position? Or is he just kind of mediocre at that position but has the capability to play multiple positions?
I'm not sure.
I see what you’re saying, but I’d put his versatility as a plus. I’m just saying I’m not sure his ‘total package’ is actually better than Carimi/Sherrod or substantially better than the couple guard prospects that went in the mid to late 2nd value-wise.
by SgtSasquatch on May 2, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he started at LT for two seasons...
at Alabama. I believe that he is being projected as a player who can play all along the OL, but at Alabama, he was an LT.
LT But Not Quite An NFL LT
Basically he’s good enough for LT but won’t beat out Okung because he’s not as athletic in his feet. There’s no reason for him not to do well at either RT or the interior line.
As far as I know he always played LT
he played multiple positions in the senior bowl after being moved around by the coaches who were trying to evaluate him inside.
by CMoney87 on May 2, 2011 1:07 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I disagree
I actually like the Carpenter (not my favorite) pick. You do realize who the Heisman trophy winner was last year right? And who was a candidate for it again this year? He had been a solid starter throughout his career. And if he can translate what he did for Ingram @ Alabama to the NFL then he will and should be fine. Also if Carmi or Sherrord were better than Carpenter then why did both go 29th and 32nd? Sure Carpenter isn’t a flashy pick but it’s obvious the FO thought he was better than both Carmi or Sherrord.
I love the Durham pick...
FG called it a while back that we were interested, and after watching some film on him, I think he will make the transition pretty smoothly. There’s something to be said for a highly productive WR that plays at a high speed and against the best competition. Dude is not scared to catch in traffic, which is a great thing. All those late rounders we relied on in 2008 (Taylor, Payne, etc.) were so nervous to catch on the move, which led to dropped balls and ultimately injuries..
I guarantee he gets the field early and think he’ll be around for a while. Hackett type of player with more durability and (GASP) better hands?!?
Ka-Kaaa!
He and CW already have a repitroire as they have been working out together this offseason.
I think he could be a steal.
OOOOOH!!!!! That was NASTY!!!!!!!!
Really really surprised no one has thrown around Matt Jones as a comp to Durham.
He lacks the ‘true’ 4.4 speed and a couple pounds compared to Jones. Hopefully he also lacks the coke problem.
by SgtSasquatch on May 2, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Better comparison is Ed McCaffery.
He was 6’5" 217, as opposed to 215. And not blindingly fast, like Matt Jones was.
Matt Jones is a tough comparison in general, because he had little to no WR experience going into the NFL. Next year you may get to throw that one out with Terrelle Pryor if he gets slid to WR.
"When Pete first got here he said he wanted to establish the run and stop the run
Pete’s the architect and Cable’s the contractor." --Greetings from the Lord Humongous!
by Tyler Jorgensen on May 2, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
That's a good one.
I was going more off the tall, lengthy, speed (crazy speed in Jones’ case) lack of experience… I do like the McCaffery connection though.
Dick Sure and Moffitt are my favorite picks
Moffitt isn’t a high-upside player but I like his value there. Dick Sure’s got the highest upside, I guess together with LeGree but I think LeGree’s value is limited because he will be a bit-part player and depth. Dick Sure might be a starter, that’s his upside.
Don’t dig Lazarius. Or Byron Maxwell. But Lazarius in particular as a 7th round pick, eh, who cares if he’s just camp fodder.
Did I miss something? An inside joke, perhaps?
I am pretty sure we didn’t draft anybody named Dick Sure…ever.
by Chief Knockahomer on May 2, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Richard Sherman (CB)
Someone else can hopefully break down the transformation.
by SgtSasquatch on May 2, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
You don't get a nickname in this league....
until you’ve at least proven that you’ll be around when the season opens.
by Chief Knockahomer on May 2, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Bull shit.
You get a nickname when Field Gulls gives you one. Richard Sherman > Dick Sherman > Dick Sureman > Dick Sure/Cock Sure. And if you read his quote, you would see that Cock Sherman is very cock sure, man.
by DJ C-Raig on May 2, 2011 12:58 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Argh I went a step too short and forgot to convert dick to cock
Sorry for butchering your nickname, Craig.
(also the subject line of this post is not something I would ever have thought I’d type out)
by Thomas Beekers on May 2, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I go back and forth between what I think is more humorous.
Because, while Cock Sure is a real attribute, I see Thomas say “Dick Sure” and I laugh because it alludes to both the description and the name.
I feel like they’re interchangeable. I also like saying “Dick Sherman is Dick Sure, man.” because I feel like Jay-Z.
by DJ C-Raig on May 2, 2011 1:33 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
You are not in the US, so this bears questioning--
Is that some part of the metric system I’m unaware of?
"When Pete first got here he said he wanted to establish the run and stop the run
Pete’s the architect and Cable’s the contractor." --Greetings from the Lord Humongous!
by Tyler Jorgensen on May 2, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I like Moffitt the best cause the guy is funny as hell
Plus it was a double down on fixing the OL and I love that.
One or more of the DBs will not pan out at all and I will have wished we grabbed a D lineman, even if they were only depth.
Favorite pick: Carpenter
SEC
LT (that will play RT of Guard)
JC transfer (Like Walt, had to earn it)
Quiet hard working type (again like Walt)
I’m not going to pretend to be some kind of draft expert especially when it comes to grading OL. Going OL is what I wanted them to do at 25 and I’ll not spilt hairs over Carpenter vs. Carimi etc… I’ll trust Tom Cable on this one.
Also
have to say that if the plan for the Hawks was to go OL in the 2nd as well
Marcus Gilbert was the only OL to come off the board between 2-25 and 3-11.
Anyone crying over losing out on Gilbert?
Moffit + Durham vs. Gilbert….
Good trade to me.
Worst Pick: Maxwell
They almost have to be shipping him off somewhere otherwise we’ll lose one of these guys on the practice squad
It does seem possible on of those guys was picked "for consideration"
We’ll have to wait and see
by Thomas Beekers on May 2, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Deep route specialist.
Obo and BMW are bigger guys, more physical than most receivers and can go downfield and get a ball but they’re not really deep threats at the same time. Durham is tall with long arms that can get downfield on posts and seams and high point balls. Pretty sure this comparison isn’t allowed because Durham can only be compared to other white receivers, but if he pans out we’re talking about a Nate Washington kind of guy.
Nate's not that big, is he?
But we should count our blessings if we get that kind of production out of a 4th rounder.
by Thomas Beekers on May 2, 2011 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
How about Miles Austin as a comparison?
He’s only 6’2" but that’s closer ht-wise…
"When Pete first got here he said he wanted to establish the run and stop the run
Pete’s the architect and Cable’s the contractor." --Greetings from the Lord Humongous!
by Tyler Jorgensen on May 2, 2011 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Miles Austin is a running back playing wide receiver, he's what Golden Tate hopes he can be.
I’m guessing that Durham will work exclusively deep down the field. That was Kip Earlywine’s projection and I that matches up pretty well with what I’ve seen and heard as well.
Well, I can't see comparing a skinny 6'1 177 guy either.
Miles is also 215… there’s just got to be a better comparison than a 6’1 177, though I don’t know who it is.
I’m hoping it isn’t the guy down in AtL though, Michael Jenkins. He’s 6’4" 217, but has had an underwhelming career and just got pretty much replaced in the draft this year.
"When Pete first got here he said he wanted to establish the run and stop the run
Pete’s the architect and Cable’s the contractor." --Greetings from the Lord Humongous!
by Tyler Jorgensen on May 2, 2011 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
And that's a realistic possibility
It’s why I haven’t fallen in love with the Durham pick. He seems to be kind of a size-speed guy. Good hands, but little else going for him right off the bat.
by Thomas Beekers on May 2, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Theres more to playing football than height and weight though.
I’m talking about similar skill sets. Durham is probably going to be used in a way similar to Washington but if a poor man’s Vincent Jackson works better for you visually you can go with that. And unfortunately, yeah, Michael Jenkins is another guy that might comp well. Jenkins might have disappointed as a first round pick but if you’re expecting more out of Durham’s career than what Jenkins has been able to do you’re setting yourself up for failure.
Austin works underneath a ton. They use him in bubble screens, quick slants, curls, stuff where he can catch the ball and use his bulk and YAC abilities to get a big gain. According to NFL stats only 20% of his targets were deep, 17th lowest in the league. Washington, Jackson and Jenkins are up in the 40% range. Bigger guys with speed to get downfield quickly that can box out corners and use their length to high point jump balls. Thats not to say that Durham can’t develop into a more complete receiver, or even that he can’t have a nice career with just that skill set, but thats likely how he’ll be used early in his career.
And he could be a huge upgrade as a deep route specialist.
This is the stuff Mora was trying to have little Deon Butler do. They saw speed and sent him on fly routes all the time, but he doesn’t run DeSean Jackson routes and can’t fight a DB for the ball. They were asking Tate to do the same kind of stuff last year, lots of stuff down the sideline, and he’s able to jump well enough to make it work from time to time I think. Just not with Hasselbeck throwing him the ball.
Nate/Vasili
Thoughts on Butler in general? I am not sold on him (even if he does end up recovering fully from his broken leg) – seems like he can’t beat the jam, can’t get deep, drops a lot of passes, and isn’t physical. The only thing he’s got going for him is his speed but he hasn’t been able to transfer that into a DJack/Mike Wallace type threat.
Interested to hear what people think of his chances in 2011…
He showed flashes of being able to translate his physical tools into production last seaosn
of course, his most valuable tool is entirely tied to his legs, so there’s reason to be concerned with his injury.
John had basically the same opinion but I've always kind of liked Butler.
He’s never going to be Mike Wallace for all of the reasons you listed. He can’t take the beating to live underneath and create with his speed. He’s fast enough to get deep but not big enough to battle DBs down field. He’s not physical enough to go up over the middle and catch balls and he doesn’t have great hands. He seems to have oodles of talent but everything is countered by a weakness and he ends up being unable to fill any particular role on an offense.
But he’s fast, he’s quick, he’s agile and he runs decent enough routes. I think on a team with other threats that can take the attention of the defense he can be someone that makes teams pay in a big way for neglecting him. We saw it a couple times last year like against Arizona. But I doubt thats something he’ll ever be able to do consistently. A nice player but I’m not going to be surprised when Durham beats him out for the last receiver spot.
Great comments on the comparisons Nate, Vas.
On the height thing, I know what you mean about skillsets, but there is such a difference between a 6’1" and 6’4" rangy guy that I was having a hard time with the comparable.
Good example on the other “bigger” possibilities. Also, Durham seems sure handed and a big part of Jenkins issues are skillset based due to his shaky hands.
"When Pete first got here he said he wanted to establish the run and stop the run
Pete’s the architect and Cable’s the contractor." --Greetings from the Lord Humongous!
by Tyler Jorgensen on May 2, 2011 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I think his speed is overrated
For someone with supposed 4.3 speed he doesn’t get much separation. Fast but not quick. I think he’s on the bubble and is anything but a sure pick to make the roster. The face he doesn’t contribute on special teams won’t help him either.
Not a fan
He’s a very long shot to start with us or anyone else. Speed types like DJack and Mike Wallace make people go all starry-eyed without considering that straightline speed isn’t the whole story. Same reason I never liked T Young as a prospect this draft.
I think Butler’s lack of size and strength (and hands, to some extent) will always limit his pro upside. He can be valuable but only in specific offensive sets and formations, and only in roles designed specifically for him. That said, like Nate mentioned, the role he had with Hasselbeck (aka “run deep and don’t get targeted”) wasn’t conductive to anything.
by Thomas Beekers on May 2, 2011 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed.
He does have a little better chance now (assuming Hass is not back), however it’s still a longshot.
"When Pete first got here he said he wanted to establish the run and stop the run
Pete’s the architect and Cable’s the contractor." --Greetings from the Lord Humongous!
by Tyler Jorgensen on May 2, 2011 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions
That's right
Pretty sure this comparison isn’t allowed because Durham can only be compared to other white receivers, but if he pans out we’re talking about a Nate Washington kind of guy.
He’s the second coming of Jurevicius and I won’t here another word on the subject.
if only he had the shuck move..
That shit was so violent, yet amazing at the same time.
by Seahawks4life on May 2, 2011 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Our receivers were a surprising strength on the team
And a pretty diverse to begin with (maybe not by design).
More of the same would be fine with me.
Plus if Whitehurst wins the QB battle Durham is his instant fav.
Durham compared CW to Stafford, that’s gonna get you a few looks.
I don't know if he adds anything knew, but I think we're seeing a theme develop.
I think this may be what PC was talking about when he said he wanted the QB to be a point guard who distributes the ball more than the focus of the offense. When he first said that I wasn’t sure what he meant, but now I think its about getting big bodied, physical receivers who can use their size and strength to go get the ball. So the offense is less about the QB threading the ball into tight spaces the way Payton Manning or Brady do and more about throwing up jump ball and letting the receivers do the work. I don’t know if it will work, but I’m certainly interested to find out.
Favorite/Least Favorite
Favorite: None really. This draft kinda taps out at solid starter at best. I don’t anticipate watching anyone develop into a star.
I’m rooting hardest for Carpenter though, because people are dogging him because Seattle selected him. Neither Carimi or Sherrod project to be significantly better than Carpenter. Had New England, KC or Pittsburgh drafted him, and had Seattle taken Carimi he’d be be “too tall” like former Badger Aaron Williams. Or, had we selected Sherrod we’d be hearing that he’s wasted on the right side.
Least Favorite: Kris Durham. I really don’t want to kill this kid because I think he can contribute on special teams, but I live in SEC country and have seen a LOT of Joe-juh football. I’ll be shocked if he can get on the field and contribute in a meaningful way. I have watched him play extensively and he does not play the way he times. He has not had even a single game of dominant play—not against Vanderbilt or Kentucky, not against Idaho State. Never. His career high for receptions in a game is five. He’s good for the occasional big play (which is why I don’t buy the "he was hurt by AJ Green argument at all). He looks resplendent in his uniform, but he can’t play.
At WR, college production may not tell us who can play but it does tell us something about who can’t. I struggle to think of cases where a WR with so little college production has ever had much impact at the position in the NFL. TE? Different story. LB? Different story.
Oh, and to top it off Durham has struggled to stay healthy. He missed 2009 with a torn labrum. He also missed games with a broken hand and ankle problems.
It’s one thing to go get the guy you like, but the floor for this kid is somewhere below Joey Kent.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Impossible.
Even if he’s not that good, he’s not Jordan Kent not-good.
Offseason 2011: Kelly Jennings, Craig Terrill, and Matt Hasselbeck...good riddance.
by Wayward Llama on May 2, 2011 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions
And the rest of my comment that mysteriously disappeared:
Even if he’s not that good, he can’t possibly be worse than Jordan Kent.
Offseason 2011: Kelly Jennings, Craig Terrill, and Matt Hasselbeck...good riddance.
by Wayward Llama on May 2, 2011 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
But he said below *Joey Kent*
Joey Kent had a significantly better career that Jordan Kent. Which isn’t saying much.
But then, he was a 2nd-round pick, so expectations were higher. Kris Durham falls right in the middle (2,4,6) so we can expect him to catch half of one touchdown pass in his two-and-a-half-year career. Math!
Sure does tell us who can't play.
Watched a bunch of tape and that Joe-juh QB is a pile.
70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.

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