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Worth a future 1st rounder? I don't think so but someone might.

Piggybacking on the QB poll from yesterday, I wanted to take a stab at predicting where each of the major QB players in free agency will wind up. Jason La Canfora, a respected and typically pretty accurate reporter for NFL.com recently weighed in on this. He said:

If I'm handicapping the quarterback derby, I'd give Kevin Kolb to the Seahawks, Marc Bulger to the Cardinals, Donovan McNabb to the Vikings, Alex Smith to the 49ers and Matt Hasselbeck to the Dolphins. Still wonder if Vince Young makes sense for the Redskins as a developmental guy to go with John Beck, who is a developmental guy himself at this point. Rex Grossman could find himself back in that mix as well once McNabb is traded or released.

Most of those choices make sense and I really won't venture far from that, but I'm not completely sold on Hasselbeck to the Dolphins. I'm leaning more towards seeing Matt in a Titans uniform next season. Tennessee still wants a veteran to mentor Jake Locker for a year or two and Matt Hasselbeck might be the best option for a run-first team with a solid line and a few good receiver targets so that's where I'd place him. Matt's a high-character guy, a solid professional and is the antithesis of Vince Young and his immature antics and fits the profile that Bud Adams and Mike Munchak will be looking for as a bridge to Jake Locker starting. Furthermore they have shown they don't mind running with older veteran quarterbacks like Kerry Collins and those two in Tennessee could really impart some wisdom on young Jake Locker. Now, that being said, I could see a situation where Tennessee doesn't want to pay Matt and Jake the money they'll command, and they go with a cheaper option - whereas Matt could end up in Miami, Minnesota mentoring Christian Ponder, or even Cleveland - reunited with Mike Holmgren and Seneca Wallace.

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I'd say the Marc Bulger to the Cardinals prediction makes a ton of sense because he's a much cheaper option than Kevin Kolb and still gets the Larry FItzgerald stamp of approval. I'd be pretty surprised if this doesn't happen, to be honest. The Cardinals went without drafting a QB as well so they'll be looking for a veteran QB to bridge the gap until John Skelton is really to take the reins. I believe they think he can be the future there but with Ken Whisenhunt in a bit of a make-or-break situation according to some people, they'll use a veteran this year rather than hope Skelton can get his act together this year.

I'm on board with the Vince Young to the Redskins train because Young seems to fit the profile of a Shanahan QB in his versatility and ability to run. Washington missed out on Locker for a second straight year but Vince Young has a similar skillset and would come relatively cheap. The Redskins are a run-heavy ZBS team that's been stockpiling running backs, including my personal favorite Roy Helu Jr, and Young could be a good option to run their offense if John Beck doesn't win the job. The other place I could see Young landing is possibly in Baltimore, taking the place of departing Marc Bulger as Joe Flacco's backup. The Ravens will need a quality backup until Tyrod Taylor gets up to speed and on a veteran heavy team with a take-no-shit coach like John Harbaugh Young could work out. If the Ravens would take a guy like Taylor, Young has a similar skillset and might be an option.

As for McNabb, I can see him ending up with the Vikings but wouldn't be surprised to see his name thrown into the hat in Miami either. Miami has invested heavily in their receiver corps and will want a strong armed guy to throw to them. McNabb is a reasonably athletic, veteran QB that could offer depth behind Chad Henne or even come in and start for the Dolphins. Miami were rumored to be after Ryan Mallett, another strong armed QB but instead invested in their offensive line, run game, and receiver corps in the draft so they'll need someone to distribute the ball. Where they'll find their QB remains to be seen but I have to think a cheap option like McNabb is still on the table. 

As for the Alex Smith to the 49ers thought, I wouldn't be surprised to see that happen, but would hope for more of the same in terms of production. I have to believe Harbaugh will get better production from Smith than Mike Singletary was able to do, but it's still a gamble. I honestly don't see any other team taking Smith with the starting job in mind other than San Francisco so Smith will have to weigh his options: go back to a team whose fan base booed him viciously or try and catch on as a backup somewhere else. 

As for Kevin Kolb, he's definitely the wild card. I could see him going to the Cardinals, the Seahawks, the Dolphins, and now even the Browns are in the picture per Rob Staton. I'm thinking if his demand is this high that hopefully the Hawks will stay out of the bidding war (like they ultimately did with Brandon Marshall, thankfully). With so many teams vying for his services, the price is likely to balloon and Kolb is still an unproven and probably overrated commodity. Because the Seahawks apparently have options A, B, C and even D I would tend to believe they won't give up too much but that remains to be seen. I'd prefer we bide our time a bit and not spend too much on Kolb as I'm not super sold on him, but we'll see how PC & JS feel about it.

The other QB that La Canfora didn't mention is Matt Leinart: Because Houston drafted developmental project TJ Yates in this years draft, it looks like Leinart may be on the outs in Houston. This isn't confidence inducing considering they didn't see enough in him to place him past 3rd on the depth chart, but he's still a option for teams like Minnesota, Tennessee, Seattle or any other team looking for a stopgap measure and hoping to strike gold.

Ok, that's all the rambling I'll do for today. Maybe. 

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I don't feel sure about anything until it happens

Even if a deal is in place now, which is presumptive, anything could happen between now and the end of the lockout, whenever that is.

Don’t count your chicks before they’re hatched. Whitehurst looks to be our starter. Which I certainly prefer to giving up a 1st for Kolb.

by Thomas Beekers on May 8, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Palmer will cost a 1st and probably a 5th

I think that is way too expensive for the Hawks. The first would probably turn into a top 10 pick.

by Patches Pal on May 8, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Bengals have no leverage

There is no way they will get a 1st for Palmer

by Flamefox111 on May 8, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

No F-ing way somebody pays that price for a QB who’s just threatened to retire and gone way out of his way to let it be known he’d be totally satisfied never playing again.

by FWBrodie on May 8, 2011 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree.

I think 3rd at best. He’s old, a little broken, and is fine with retiring in lovely Seattle if the bungles don’t trade him. Kolb will command a first… Palmer I don’t think so

by insidetheparker on May 8, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

If they want a 1st for Palmer

We don’t bite, pure and simple.

It’s also possible and oft-mentioned that having already invested a pick in a RFA will make the FO gunshy to do so again, especially for older players.

by Thomas Beekers on May 8, 2011 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

No way they get a first for him straight up.

I could see a conditional 3rd or 4th round pick that could be upgraded based on performance, similar to the Favre trade to the Jets. I believe the Packers got something like a 4th that could become as high as either a 1st or 2nd if the Jets went to the Super Bowl.

by Mind of no mind on May 8, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

This sounds like a realistic option.

However I would prefer if it were a conditional 4th/5th. It sucks not having a 3rd round choice…

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by Bobby Cink on May 8, 2011 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

What was the McNabb trade?

A 2nd then conditional 4th or 5th? IMO that’s much closer to Palmer’s market, maybe less because Palmer has more leverage. But I don’t see anything happening, because Brown really is that stubborn and moronic. .

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by jteckmann on May 8, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

The rumors are that an agreed upon price for acquiring Palmer would be a 5th round pick and a conditional pick that could end up being a third round pick.

First Round Wishlist (in order): 1. Mark Ingram; 2. Mike Pouncey; 3. Jimmy Smith; 4. Jake Locker
Other rounds: Rodney Hudson, Justin Houston, Owen Marecic, Ras-I Dowling, Joseph Barksdale, Tyler Sash, Shareece Wright, and Taiwan Jones.

by Carl Shinyama on May 8, 2011 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

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by RolloTomasi on May 8, 2011 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hope the rumors that a first rounder is too rich for our blood...

…are founded in reality. I’d rather spend a 1st next year on a QB (I know that can’t be set in stone) than a first on a former 2nd round quarterback who may or may not have been developed well in Philly.

Bite the wax tadpole.

by Chirp on May 8, 2011 9:15 AM PDT reply actions  

I'll throw up in my mouth if we spend a 1st on Kolb.

Because, looking at our schedule and his lack of experience, it WILL be a top 10 pick.

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by Tyler Jorgensen on May 8, 2011 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

With Schefter beating the Kolb-to-AZ drum

That’s tough to bet against. Schefter is as reliable as they come in this business. He’s not 100%, but there’s got to be some solid substance there.

by SeahawksFanInNY on May 8, 2011 9:27 AM PDT reply actions  

No Kolb please

I think Reid really F’ed himself in trying to max out the value for Kolb, and it wouldn’t surprise me at all to see him not be traded now. I definitely do not want to see the Hawks hand over a 1st rounder or more for a guy who SHOULD be more valuable to Philly than Vick.

by TacomaHawk on May 8, 2011 9:43 AM PDT reply actions  

I agree

Considering the way we’ve used the draft, I’d like to think that whoever comes in is going to enjoy a bit more protection, with a properly functioning running game to take the pressure off him. So I’d be happy to take a flyer on Leinart, and an UDFA to vie with Charlie. Okay, not particularly inspiring, but I wouldn’t want to see the FO give up a future 1st rounder hoping on a ‘maybe’.

by JohnnyLondon on May 8, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kolb is getting traded.

His contract is up at the end of the year and he won’t resign. They’re gonna get whatever they can get for him right now.

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by hazbro24 on May 8, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kolb

Love to see him here but thats going to be a bidding war, I dont think just a 1st is going to do it. The Hawks should at least bid it up to make the Cards pay like they did to us with Charlie. A 1st rnd pick at QB next year may be us either way, Rookie or Kolb, same contract same pick same learning curve just a little less with Kevin. Were not going to be bad enough to get Andrew Luck.
cant see Shannahan dealing with Vince Young unless he really puts him in his place, but Young’s ego has been proven pretty fragile with his suicide attempt or whatever that deal was and then his and his coaches demise in Tennessee. That guy could be a good QB but he’s a train wreck.
I think Hasselbeck stays with a 2-3 year contract instead of Palmer< just dont see the upside there.
All we can do is speculate at this time, at least that has some entertainment value.

yea dude

by dirtyktm on May 8, 2011 10:51 AM PDT reply actions  

Agree on Young to WA...

I’d be a little surprised to see Shanny take that risk after the Haynesworth debacle, but what do I know?

by TacomaHawk on May 8, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

VY is not the headcase nor has anymore ego than most QB

Fisher play big part of the problem VY had in Nashville VY took a team that was 0-6 and went 8-2. Its very hard for a player to play for coach that does not want him. Fisher threw VY under bus every chance he got.
 http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/jeff-fisher-vince-young-tennessee-titans-cruel-game-112910

by Alway Learning on May 10, 2011 7:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

My predictions

Kolb to Cleveland (per Staton)
Bulger to AZ
McNabb to Minn
Hasselbeck – wild card, who knows where he is going just as long as it’s not I don’t give a fuck!
Palmer to Seahawks – And if the Palmer trade doesn’t go through. Don’t be surprised to see ….
Vince Young to Seahawks – PC loves the guys and probably feels he could right the ship for a season or 2. Plus Young has a 60% winning percentage.

by cthunder on May 8, 2011 12:04 PM PDT reply actions  

I hear Charlie Sheen has a 120% Winning percentage

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by EequalsMc2 on May 8, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Hate to be "that guy", but

Young’s winning percentage was bolstered by his offense (run game) and the culture of that team. Kerry Collins’ even had a decent year there.

Beam yourself up

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by jubelthebear on May 8, 2011 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oops

On Hasselbeck – Just as long as it’s not Seattle.

by cthunder on May 8, 2011 12:06 PM PDT reply actions  

The best fits for Hasselbeck seem to be Cleveland, Cincinnati and San Fran.

Not sure what the point in keeping Alex Smith around is, especially since Hasselbeck is a pure WCO quarterback (thus a better fit for the Niner offense). The Bengals also are running a version of the WCO, and they may want an insurance policy behind Andy Dalton.

I could also see Washington and Tennessee essentially flip their QBs, with McNabb mentoring Locker for a year or two.

by J.L. White on May 8, 2011 12:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Hasselbeck may or may not be a scheme fit for the Titans

but the connections in the FO are really strong and they should be in the market for a well-mannered vet to teach Locker.

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on May 8, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think it comes down to money.

Miami will have the most to spend. Titans will have less to spend than we do, so why would he go there for the same or less than here?

If we don’t get Palmer, I expect Matt to resign here.

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by hazbro24 on May 8, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Kolb goes to AZ.

“Cardinals general manager Rod Graves said Monday the team is not opposed to trading a 2012 high draft choice in order to bring a quarterback to Arizona. "

http://www.arizonasports.com/?nid=40&sid=1411166

The Cards will offer a first for Kolb, and possibly one of their corners (Philly needs one) since they picked up Peterson.

Player wise, Seahawks have little to offer the Eagles, and the cardinals will outbid us (like we did to them in the Cholly trade). I don’t mind hearing Seahawks rumored to be in Kolb picture because that will just make AZ overpay. I will mind if we overpay.

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by hazbro24 on May 8, 2011 12:30 PM PDT reply actions  

That, and Orton is plan B for the cardinals if they don't get Kolb.

Bulger has to be plan C or D.

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by hazbro24 on May 8, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

The very realistic possibility that Schneider trades a 2012 first for Kolb scares me

It wouldn’t be the first time he’s overpaid for a player. I just hope his negotiation skills have improved since his dealings with A.J Smith.
I’m for going with Palmer in addition to a Leinart/Young and doing whatever it takes to get a franchise QB in the 2012 draft

by hawksfan1401 on May 8, 2011 12:36 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm in the minority, but I actually think Schneider worked AJ Smith

‘Hawks had no leverage. Whitehurst was a 3rd round tender – we didn’t have a 3rd round pick, ARZ did. SD didn’t even have to talk to us, and it made no difference if Whitehurst preferred our offer, because given the choice of ARZ or stay in SD, he would’ve picked them. We were always going to have to offer something SD valued more than ARZ’s 3rd rounder.

So it was either swap spots in the 2nd or give up a pick in the 4th or 5th. the “value chart” says it’s better to throw in the late rounder, but that chart is antiquated, and doesn’t reflect the reality that some classes are deeper in the middle than others. Smith was so fixated on the supposed value of moving up in the 2nd, that Schneider was able to give him something that wasn’t much of a loss to us, and Smith acting cocky about it later reflects poorly on him, IMO. Would you rather have Tate, Thurmond and Chancellor, or give up either Thurmond or Chancellor for your choice of the 15 guys that went above Tate? Personally, I think it’s an easy call – only 2 guys went ahead of Tate that I was mildly bummed about (L. Houston & T. Cody) But if Tate develops and T3 and/or Chancellor become adequate starters, we came out of the deal way ahead. At the very least, it’s a close call and not nearly the “fleecing” the media made it out as.

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by jteckmann on May 8, 2011 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Your argument ignores the fact that we still gave up a 3rd rounder

Just a year later. That was a terrible decision. Only crappy FOs discount future picks.

by Thomas Beekers on May 8, 2011 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Really?

What if CW starts this year and has a good season? What if we win the division with him at QB? What is he shows that he can be a good starting QB for years to come? Would it still be a terrible decision then???

A lot of “what if’s” but the point is we still don’t know…CW was essentially our 3rd round pick this year and very well could be our starting QB. If he does start, plays well and the team wins, then that trade will have been a great deal for us! Let’s throw CW out there and see what he can do. Bring in another vet to compete with him and sign one of the UDFA QB’s to hold down the third string/practice spot.

Just seems really hard to pass judgement on the CW trade until we actually give the guy a shot…

by Rob4Q on May 9, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Huh?

I was just arguing his statement ignored how we still gave up a 3rd rounder. I said nothing on how I see the trade. I defended it quite a bit when it happened, here on FG.

by Thomas Beekers on May 9, 2011 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

PLEASE NO KOLB FOR A FIRST

PLEASE NO KOLB FOR A FIRST
PLEASE NO KOLB FOR A FIRST
PLEASE NO KOLB FOR A FIRST
PLEASE NO KOLB FOR A FIRST
PLEASE NO KOLB FOR A FIRST

by stufr on May 8, 2011 1:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Agreed.

And honestly, I don’t think it’s much of a possibility that he would. That is way too much of a wild card to gamble. A third round and swapping seconds with San Diego isn’t nearly the same kind of investment especially for someone you are hoping is going to to be pushing for the starting gig.

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by Bobby Cink on May 8, 2011 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

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