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The Top 5 Best Duos in Seahawks History

So in my last fanpost here, I wrote about Walter Jones and his run blocking. I also seemed to come across as minimizing Steve Hutchinson's play while doing that. The truth is, I didn't mean to do that, I had simply pointed out in that article that Steve being out of the game for a half forced me to see what Walter was as a run blocker which was worlds above what most men, particularly tackles are. 

However, having realized the bias that exists in terms of hutch love for the running game only, and the passing game for walter, I decided to watch games with them both seeing how these two men worked together. I know I'm getting a bit wordy and you want the meat, so here it is. These are the Top 5 Duos in Seahawk history. These are the men that can be good or great by themselves, but you add in this other man and you get even better. So let's see if you agree with me.

#5 Jacob Green and Joe Nash: Jacob Green's breakout sack year was his fourth season in the league, it also marks the Second year he would share the line with Joe Nash. Jacob had speed and length and tenacity early in his career he was double and some times triple blocked. With the arrival of Joe Nash however, and a Chuck Knox pass rush scheme, centers and guards would quake in their boots. Joe Nash was mean and didn't ever mind taking a chop at someone's knees if he lost leverage. Joe Nash was a solid Nose Tackle in the Knox defenses that put up amazing sack numbers and Jacob Green was the man that most found his talents aided by Nash's arrival. These Two really shared the same heart on the field and watching them work in any games from the 80's was just a load of fun for a football nerd like me. 

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#4 Steve Largent and Daryl Turner: When you talk about best duos this one doesn't seem to get any press at all in Seahawks lore. However, these men were perfect opposites of each other. Turner was a speed man who burnt coverages and forced teams out of pinching Steve Largent with double and triple coverage. In a 1984 win against the broncos it was Turner who would help set up a 12 catch 191 yard performance by the great Seahawk.  In A wide open passing game that turned heads in 1984 and piled up 32 TDs for Dave Kreig, these two men were perfect for this flashy air assault.

#3 Shaun Alexander and Mack Strong: Lets be honest here and now. One of these names would have faded into obscurity without the other. Mack Strong wasn't flashy or big like Alstott. He was a guy who blocked well and broke down many star tacklers. Shaun Alexander had all the tools to be great, but he took what Strong gave him and became the best back Seattle has ever had. Mack Strong and Shaun Alexander were probably the duo that understood each other the best. Shaun was a redzone master, always playing a little bit faster when the defense was heels on the endzone. Shaun so many times worked against the grain or helped a block out by changing his angle but without Mack, half of these touchdowns don't even occur.

 Teams watched Shaun Work and as they became worn down, they would try to cheat into gaps or get the jump off Shaun's first move. Mack Strong would become a decoy often in redzone calls and defenses would rush to Mack only to realize Shaun had perfectly cut at the last moment . Mack would hit the pile leaving the defense too far wide to make up ground and stop Shaun from scoring. One of my favorite blocks though from Mack would come in the monday night massacre of the Eagles. It is on Shaun's second TD of the game and it's a power sweep at the goal line. Brian Dawkins has it sniffed out and Shaun realizes mack needs a couple of steps to get to dawkins so he taps his feet a moment. Mack is able to hook Dawkins just enough and as Shaun pulls wide of the block and scores on the left corner Mack puts Dawkins right down on the field leaving dawkins' to hopelessly call for a flag.

#2 Matt Hasselbeck and Bobby Engram: The stats aren't flashy enough here probably for most, but Matt Hasselbeck certainly would tell you that Bobby Engram was the man who helped him turn the corner in the offense. Bobby became the TE for all intents and purposes for the failure of Jerramy Stevens. Holmgren switched his base formations from 2 WR 1TE 2 RB 70% of the time to 3 WR  2 RBs nearly 68% of the time in 2003. Engram became the security blanket for Hasselbeck and they both became key center pieces to top ten offenses in 3 seperate seasons. This is a rare case of both guys really having a irrelevant career before finding each other. Their peak together was a 2007 season with a more pass oriented team. And it was no surprise that Engram would set Seahawk receiving records and Hasselbeck would set career highs as well.

#1 Walter Jones and Steve Hutchinson: What can you say but wow. When you see these two side by side on the field these two aren't just imposing, they changed your approach if you were a defensive coach. Together with the smarts of Robbie Tobeck and the tricky finesse of Chris Gray this team was unbeatable on offense. However it all began with those two. It seems that the wisdom in Seahawks land is that Walter Jones was a pass blocker and Hutch was a run blocker, This robs each man of key aspects of what made them the best match for each other.

Walter Jones didn't giive up a sack for three years and only 2 in 4 complete seasons. Some of that credit can be thrown at the the fact that Walter Jones could afford to use a wider range and peal off the line more often knowing that Hutch could handle the middle pressure well, particularly 1 on 1 with the nose Tackle. This made blitzes hard to launch and Hutch and Tobeck and Gray were all great and seeing blitzes early if they did come. While Hutch helped Walter set the bar for Tackles Walter helped Hutch become one of the most dominant  downfield gaurds in football. When a DE is consistently moved by a tackle 3 yards in whatever direction the tackle wishes, assignments on the D-line have to change drastically to try and control the gap that gets left. This means that a DT might not be able to be as aggressive as he'd like to be, trying to control two and perhaps even two and a half gaps on any play. This left Hutch with fewer grinding battles to fight during the game and allowed him to get out in space where he did his best work.

Without each other we've seen Walter and Hutch both had to work harder for success and in Hutch's case teams now just sit their Nose tackle right on top of him to take away his best skills. Walter's Run blocking while always good was now not as impactful without someone to take advantage of it. I never realized until thinking about this piece just how much these two men's careers were enhanced by the other.

So what do you think? 

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Fun list but I disagree that Mack Strong would have faded into obscurity without Alexander,

at least not to Seahawk fans. Before Alexander, he led for Warren and Watters 1000+ yard seasons 4 times, in 6 seasons. He was achieving cult status in the Erickson days. (At least for me…)

Cool read, nice.

I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.

by Dukeshire on May 9, 2011 10:15 AM PDT reply actions  

What about Zorn and Largent?

From what I remember, they were pretty good together…

Ka-Kaaa!

by JerryNice on May 9, 2011 10:15 AM PDT reply actions  

Fun list!

I agree Zorn to Largent is my #1 followed by Easley/John Harris

Respect goes a long way....

by Mangolover on May 9, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Best duo that never was?

Fredd Young / Brian Bosworth

I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.

by Dukeshire on May 9, 2011 10:36 AM PDT reply actions  

Great reference...

both were great players who got injured up, but man were they fierce when healthy.

"When Pete first got here he said he wanted to establish the run and stop the run
Pete’s the architect and Cable’s the contractor." --Greetings from the Lord Humongous!

by Tyler Jorgensen on May 9, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Olindo Mare and Jon Ryan!!

Recently engaged! Best. Off-season. Ever.

by Cheddar28 on May 9, 2011 10:59 AM PDT reply actions  

Quit it you!

Recently engaged! Best. Off-season. Ever.

by Cheddar28 on May 9, 2011 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Although, I deserve that.

Recently engaged! Best. Off-season. Ever.

by Cheddar28 on May 9, 2011 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Excellent!

"When Pete first got here he said he wanted to establish the run and stop the run
Pete’s the architect and Cable’s the contractor." --Greetings from the Lord Humongous!

by Tyler Jorgensen on May 9, 2011 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nick Reed

And Chuck Norris.

by TrynZushi on May 9, 2011 11:19 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

John L Williams and Curt Warner?

Largent and Zorn?

I just can’t see a list complete without those two tandems.

"When Pete first got here he said he wanted to establish the run and stop the run
Pete’s the architect and Cable’s the contractor." --Greetings from the Lord Humongous!

by Tyler Jorgensen on May 9, 2011 11:22 AM PDT reply actions  

I probably whiffed on Zorn to Largent more because they aren't as familiar to me.

If you want to add them to your own list at number 1 or wherever, that’s the kind of input I want and am interested to get.

by Joshua Kasparek on May 9, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess that shows your age, more than anything...

but think historical, always.

Nice summary on the ones you included though.

"When Pete first got here he said he wanted to establish the run and stop the run
Pete’s the architect and Cable’s the contractor." --Greetings from the Lord Humongous!

by Tyler Jorgensen on May 9, 2011 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

By the way, somehow I mis-read and didn't catch Largent/Turner.

Not sure how/why that happened, but glad to see a little more historical bent in there.

Actually, I know why. First reading was on my phone… didn’t re-read when I logged in computer wise and went to the comments.

"When Pete first got here he said he wanted to establish the run and stop the run
Pete’s the architect and Cable’s the contractor." --Greetings from the Lord Humongous!

by Tyler Jorgensen on May 9, 2011 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Really

Krieg played at a time when Seattle had a prolific running game. He put up good numbers but never great numbers. Zorn played at at time when his arm was the only offense that we had. With little to no running game Zorn still posted 3 consecutive 3000 yard passing seasons amd was AFC Offensive rookie of the year

by eohawkfan on May 14, 2011 1:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was trying to find a link to the Zorn-Largent milk commercial

♫ “Show your stuff and drink milk! It has lots of calcium… protein and vitamins…” ♫

If anyone’s got a link that would be spiffy.

Funny how they both went on to short-lived jobs in Washington D.C.

by Suburban Shocker on May 9, 2011 12:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Milk and Eddie

Yeah, they did the whole “Moo looks good on you” thing.
Do you remember the Eddie Bauer commercials where Jim Zorn and Steve Largent were in a store, and Zorn would throw a shirt to Largent, who was standing next to the cash register? In ’84 Eddie Bauer redid the commercial with Dave Kreig.

by neurocell on May 9, 2011 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

How'd you do the music notes??

Recently engaged! Best. Off-season. Ever.

by Cheddar28 on May 9, 2011 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Magicians don't give away their secrets

Lucky for you I’m an amateur. In Word: insert symbol, it’s there as an available symbol; copy and paste.

by Suburban Shocker on May 9, 2011 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not really a whiff here.

Easley/Brown were in my opinion not really impacting each other’s performance on the field. Though they were great when put together, I didn’t in my opinion see how they enhanced each other’s play. Maybe they did, but it’s harder to judge when you can’t see the secondary as much.

by Joshua Kasparek on May 9, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, now I'm confused.

You recall Brown/Easley but not Zorn/Largent… close to the same era there.

"When Pete first got here he said he wanted to establish the run and stop the run
Pete’s the architect and Cable’s the contractor." --Greetings from the Lord Humongous!

by Tyler Jorgensen on May 9, 2011 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

So as I was in about mile 2 of my daily jog an hour ago, it struck me...

No wonder our team has, for the bulk of it’s history, pretty much sucked.

A die-hard fan just said that the number 2 tandem in our 35 year team history is a mediocre WR who was a flanker and a QB that was only elite for a max of 2 of his years in the league. I mean, no wonder, right?

Jerry Rice Joe Montana, Dante Culpepper Randy Moss, Tom Brady and fill in the blank, Kurt Warner Torry Holt, Kurt Warner Larry Fitzgerald, Peyton Harrison, Peyton Wayne….. hell— a team that’s about 10 years old has Matt Schaub Andre Johnson.

And we have “Matt Hasselbeck Bobby Engram.”

Hell, I bet EVERY TEAM in the NFL has had a better QB/WR combo the past 35 years that we could come up with on the top of our heads, and several have had 5-10 better combos, even over a longer duration of time than the “Hass/Engram heydey.”

We’re fucking terrible.

Please, Pete Carroll, fix this debacle of a professional football team.

"When Pete first got here he said he wanted to establish the run and stop the run
Pete’s the architect and Cable’s the contractor." --Greetings from the Lord Humongous!

by Tyler Jorgensen on May 9, 2011 2:36 PM PDT reply actions  

This is where you probably miss what I was doing here.

This isn’t about stats alone. If I were looking for that Darrell Jackson would have been in that slot and not Bobby Engram. However, when you looked to key plays and these two working so well in those situations Engram takes the spot easily.

The #2 spot actually speaks to how much these two set the rest of the passing offense in motion in these top offenses. Bobby never lead the team in receptions until his final season in Seattle, but that doesn’t mean he didn’t have the biggest impact on how things shook out over the seasons he spent here.

by Joshua Kasparek on May 9, 2011 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wasn't missing what you were doing here.

And I’d take John Taylor and Joe Montana in that construct, given my first example in my list above from other teams.

My point is, we’re talking about great combos on one hand and great players on the other— for instance, Shaun Alexander and Mack Strong were, for several years, two of the best in the league at their position. Hutch and Jones two of the best all time at their positions… and yet, number 2 overall is two “Seahawk guys” — i.e. scrappy and limited in overall potential.

I just wish that we had the kind of storied franchise where instead of being in the conversation of “Top 5 Duos in Seahawk History” they would have been a conversation in the “Top 5 Most Underrated or Forgotten Duos in Seahawk History.”

"When Pete first got here he said he wanted to establish the run and stop the run
Pete’s the architect and Cable’s the contractor." --Greetings from the Lord Humongous!

by Tyler Jorgensen on May 9, 2011 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Homer.

"When Pete first got here he said he wanted to establish the run and stop the run
Pete’s the architect and Cable’s the contractor." --Greetings from the Lord Humongous!

by Tyler Jorgensen on May 9, 2011 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

You clearly are to young to remember Zorn to Largent

Or you never would make that statement. They made a expantion team into team that was contending in 2 years and they were the Offense.

by eohawkfan on May 9, 2011 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jacksonville.

Ready go.

Recently engaged! Best. Off-season. Ever.

by Cheddar28 on May 9, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ummmmmm

Mark Brunell and Jimmy Smith

Beer, its not just for breakfast anymore.

by Dougula on May 9, 2011 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

MJD and Fred Taylor.

Or… even better….

John Henderson and Mike Peterson. Henderson and Peterson were catalysts on a great defense for several years, anchoring the middle.

Which reminds me, as great as Ray Lewis is, he probably wouldn’t be half the player he is today if he didn’t have a steady stream of 330 lb DT’s lining up in front of him the majority of his career.

"When Pete first got here he said he wanted to establish the run and stop the run
Pete’s the architect and Cable’s the contractor." --Greetings from the Lord Humongous!

by Tyler Jorgensen on May 9, 2011 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah I misread and was thinking QB/WR combos.

Fair enough. A quick wiki-search tells me Dougula is being sarcastic.

Recently engaged! Best. Off-season. Ever.

by Cheddar28 on May 9, 2011 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Has everyone forgotten Marcus Stroud?

Henderson and Stroud were a hell of a DT duo.

Jimmy Smith and Keenan McCardell were pretty bitchin’ in their day too.

by Suburban Shocker on May 9, 2011 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Jacksonville's D was great for several years, and the middle was why.

Stroud/Henderson with Peterson behind them… there were others too. But it was a great D.

And I didn’t really think a Brunell/Smith combo was all that bad, really.

"When Pete first got here he said he wanted to establish the run and stop the run
Pete’s the architect and Cable’s the contractor." --Greetings from the Lord Humongous!

by Tyler Jorgensen on May 9, 2011 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brian Bosworth

& Bo Jackson … oh, wait.
Never mind.

Sorry, guys.
As a lifelong Nebraska fan who never liked Bosworth in college or the NFL, I couldn’t resist. :)

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and they ask me to pick up a piece of paper.
You call that job satisfaction?
'Cause, I don't."

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by NorthStarr on Jun 5, 2011 11:54 PM PDT reply actions  

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