Seahawks on the Precipice: Golden Tate
In a regular NFL off-season, now would be the time to be all abuzz about your rookies. How each of them will be a starter, if not this year then next year. How your (list least favorite player here) will soon be replaced by the rookie who has none of the obvious glaring flaws that said player does, etc. We're not seeing much of that now, mostly due to the lockout, though no doubt also partially due to our draft, which I'd peg as "solid, but boring". There's not a lot of exciting debates you can hold about a right guard and right tackle, and a lot of the deeper picks are fairly obviously developmental picks.
I feel excitement about rookies often overshadows what really matters, especially for a rebuilding team like ours. More so than rookies contributing, what we need is key second- or third-year players showing growth and improvement. There are some players already getting buzz in this sense, despite the lack of open trainings, there are other players who are entering their make-or-break do-or-die seasons, and there are just some I'm personally curious to see develop. This series of posts, "On the Precipice", is about these players...
I have to start with Golden Tate. Other than Earl Thomas, Golden Tate is probably my favorite young player on our roster. When he was drafted 60th overall last year I was yelping with joy, as I personally considered Tate a borderline 1st round prospect. At that point our drop from pick 40 to pick 60 due to the Whitehurst trade seemed as good as irrelevant to me, as this is a player I think we could have taken at 40 as well.
What I love about Golden Tate is that he's a pretty unusual player. A running back out of highschool, Tate converted to wide receiver in Notre Dame and teamed up with Jimmy Clausen to break school records as a sophomore and junior in 2008 and 2009, before declaring for the draft. At 5'10 and about 200 lbs, he's not the biggest player out there, but his athletic abilities are through the roof. He's a stronger runner than you would expect for his size, using his lower-body strength to push forward through tackles for extra yardage. More than that, he has an open-field shiftiness which means he often avoids as many tackles as he breaks. In essence, Golden Tate runs like a tailback once the ball is in his hands, reminiscent of Percy Harvin or Carolina's Steve Smith.
The problem is getting the ball in his hands. Tate had to learn the receiver position in college. If I had to take a guess, I'd say this is the big reason he dropped as far as he did, as he had two major question marks: would his athletic ability translate well to the NFL considering his size, and would his rawness be a problem? The former hasn't been the problem from what we've seen in limited snaps, Tate's elusiveness and power translate well. But his rawness has been a big issue.
Now when I say raw the debate tends to focus on his route-running skills. Route-running is usually an issue for wide receivers coming out of college, as the NFL demands you to not only run much more diverse routes but also to run them much more accurately than you were asked to in college. Notre Dame's system isn't a bad one to come out of in this context, but it has become pretty clear that Tate's limited experience as a wide receiver means he has a lot to learn in this field, to the tune of making one mistake for every four plays in practice, as per Pete Carroll. However, focusing on this problem alone ignores another obvious weakness Tate had as a receiver coming out of college: he's not a great hands catcher. He tends to let the ball hit him on the chest and trap it with his arms rather than catch it with his hands, which creates problems as it is very hard to control the ball like that, especially if there is any defender closely covering you (and so far in the NFL Tate has shown little ability to gain consistent separation). To see what I mean, head to ProDraftParty's Highlights/Lowlights of Tate's college career and look at the plays at the 0:55 and 1:28.
The big thing about these issues is that both of them are very coachable, especially for someone willing to work on it like Tate. But they are problems that combine to make a wide receiver that is far from ideal, and one that Matt Hasselbeck in particular would not want to play with, preferring savvy veterans and precise route runners like any WC-offense guy would. And that's really the long and short of why Tate played so little last season, it's not just that he has weaknesses in his game, but that his weaknesses mesh up particularly badly with our quarterback's skills as a passer. Because of that, he spent a lot of time on the bench and did little when he was on the field, to the tune of a meagre 21 catches for 227 yards and no touchdowns. But what to expect this season?
Worst-case scenario: The shortened off-season means Golden Tate shows no progress at all in improving on his route-running skills or pass-catching mechanics. He's on the field more but doesn't make good use of his opportunities, either running his routes sloppily or dropping the ball, particularly when he's got a defender right on him. Similar numbers to his rookie season are the result.
Best-case scenario: Tate works hard at improving no matter how he's used, and Carroll and Bevell gratefully use this effort to put him on the field as much as possible, in special teams or on offense. Used as a runner (often out of the wild-cat) and a cog in the short passing game, and as a punt and kicker returner along with Leon Washington, Tate racks up between 900 and a 1000 yards on 70 catches and adds more than 400 yards in kick and punt returns.
My take: Golden Tate's been getting some off-season hype courtesy of Pete Carroll. And I expect him to wow again at mini-camp much as he wowed as a rookie in camp, because he's just the type of player to wow in those situations. But I don't think Tate's flaws are that easily fixed, and realistically we knew that when he came out of college. Little in how he's played has surprised me so far, positively or negatively. What I find interesting is the idea of Pete Carroll using him more extensively. While Tate is not yet ready for the traditional WR role, he is the kind of player where if you get him the ball, something happens - usually something interesting. For that reason I think he should see more time both on offense and as a punt returner. End-arounds and screen passes are the most obvious ways to expand his role as well as a few short routes that maximize his strengths and minimize his weaknesses, like simple drag or hitch routes. Additionally, he played as a runner out of the wildcat at times in college, and I'm curious to see if he could do the same in the NFL. Utilized enough, I would expect him to double his rookie numbers for about 500 yards from scrimmage, and add a healthy dose of return yards as well. In quality of play, I fully expect to see him drop balls and botch routes, but to also show marked improvements in this area. Not blowing anyone out of the water, but for a raw wide receiver like Tate two years strike me as the minimum buffer to grow into his role in the NFL.
On the long term, I think Tate is the best receiver prospect we have. Mike Williams is probably too much of a WR/TE tweener to be a WR1 (he's comparable to Marques Colston in that sense, but I I don't think he's as good), and guys like Butler or Obamanu are more situational supplements, great for multi-receiver sets, which I think is what we should expect out of Durham too. More than any of these guys, I have real hopes for Tate to be the WR1 - albeit a very unusual one, who plays better in the short than in the long passing game and will always be more of a yards-after-reception type guy. For me to cling to that hope, I'll want to see real improvement both in his catching technique and route-running skill this season.
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I always felt bad for Tate...
Because there were a BUNCH of passes thrown his way along the sideline that were JUST out of bounds. He’d run his route and the ball would be there…he would go up and fight a defender for the ball and he’d make a pretty awesome sideline catch or at least an awesome attempt…but all of the passes would be too far out of bounds for him to even attempt to get his feet in bounds…
There were a few that were beautiful and he really went up for it and did great beating the defender or doing an acrobatic catch…just that it was too far wide…
So many of his passes were on the sidelines and were also poorly thrown by the QB…so his opportunities were cut down even more so
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I'm excited to see his progress
I just hope the lockout hasn’t held him back too much….I think those 2nd year guys are the most effected by the lockout because it’s such an important progression period
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Yeah - I did a post about Tate a while ago which forced me to go back and watch almost all his receptions
Towards the end of the year, it seemed like the ONLY times he ever got a pass thrown his was was when the Hawks wanted to run a sideline fade.
It seemed to be the only route that him and Hass could get on the same page about. I think Vasilii hit it on the head when he pointed out that Tate is not the kind of WR for Hass, and probably never will be.
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by Danny Kelly on Jun 29, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think fade routes are ideal for Tate anyway
It’ll be problematic again if Beck is back next year, I’m afraid. Which would be a shame.
by Thomas Beekers on Jun 29, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree.
Hass won’t help in his development most likely. Like you said, he loves guys that run precise routes and are exactly where he knows they’ll be in the WCO. Hence, the rapport with Engram and Stokley.
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Tate couldn't run a route to save his life
The problem with the sideline routes, in particular, was that he didn’t allow enough space on the outside to catch the pass. This left a very narrow window for the QB to through the ball where Tate could get it but the DB couldn’t. I’d rather the QB err on the side of caution in those sorts of cases and toss the ball a little out of the reach of both guys than to give up an interception.
There’s no way any QB can get the ball to the guy when he’s barely in-bounds and hasn’t earned any separation from the DB.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Jun 29, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly
Part of the reason why I indicated his route running would ideally focus more on short route, and often going over the middle, like hitch (in) routes. He did a lot of it in college but I think PC and our OC might’ve had too many concerns about his ability to catch in traffic, which really isn’t spectacular.
Still, maybe I’m being a homer but these aren’t issues that really concern me for the long term.
by Thomas Beekers on Jun 29, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
One reason they may have kept him out of the slot
is that a few wrong steps running the route could put him on the wrong side of the ball and the defender and that area can get pretty crowded. You put your best route-runner in there for a reason.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Jun 29, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I say give Tate the old Jerry Rice brick workout
it does wonders for hand strength, and you learn very very quickly to catch the “ball” away from your body when it is a tumbling rectangular 8 lb rock.
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Works for me
To be honest I find his development as a hands catcher hard to track when he’s not thrown to that much, so this story was for a good chunk based on the college scouting I’d done before last year’s draft.
by Thomas Beekers on Jun 29, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I bet we see that play again this year
But they’ll be throwing it to Durham.
I'm not too excited for Durham
Unless Charlie is starting, in which case he might do a bit more. But I don’t see much in his near future but running outs and catching jump balls.
by Thomas Beekers on Jun 29, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't get me going on Durham
Suffice it to say I wouldn’t get my hopes up.
It’s just so rare that a guy who wasn’t particularly productive in college, who really couldn’t get on the field much until his last year, becomes a productive pro WR. College production is no guarantee of pro production. But for RBs and WRs I think it’s a necessary-but-not-sufficient condition.
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He wasn't productive his early years due to injuries
so they say…
so when he was healthy he was then playing behind AJ Green…which would stifle most anybody…but when he went down for a few games and he actually got to play he then broke out…actually took advantage of his opportunity
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Wasn't he playing OPPOSITE AJ Green?
That should make production pretty damned easy.
Durham was a super skinny kid his first couple years of college
and then he redshirted his fourth year due to a shoulder injury and surgery. He kind of went through a transformation in that year from a high school beanpole to a SEC built receiver in that year off during rehab. Durham’s senior year was the first year he played at over 190 lbs.
In 2010 Durham had 659yds in 11 games and AJ Green had 848yds in 9 games, and AJ Green was one of the two most heralded WR leaving college. I am very impressed Durham was as productive as he was. I recommend watching AJ Green highlight videos on youtube and pay attention to Durham; he shows up quite a bit downfield making blocks for Green.
If he had been at the combine, he would have tied for fourth in the 40 (4.43) and sixth in the 20yd shuttle (4.09s), runs good routes, catches ball away from the body, goes in traffic, probably a steal in the fourth round. I expect him to be a significant contributor in 2012 (receiver almost all take a year or two to figure out the NFL).
interesting info on the georgia bulldogs website
http://www.georgiadogs.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/durham_kris00.html
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I think your estimate of about 500 yards is pretty accurate.
My personal hope is somewhere closer to 600 or 700. It is almost important to note that Tate was injured for multiple games this year, and was a healthy scratch for another couple. I would expect him to be active for all 16 games provided he doesn’t suffer any injuries. I think he will have significantly more opportunities to have opportunities (make sense?)
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Love this
I feel excitement about rookies often overshadows what really matters… what we need is key second- or third-year players showing growth and improvement.
This. This. This.
I’m looking at you Tate, Kam Chancellor, Earl Thomas, Dexter Davis, and Anthony McCoy.
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I believe you are selling BMW short.
I see an elite receiver in his skill set and fully anticipate pro bowl numbers from him.
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I’m not sure how to respond to that since you’re not proposing any arguments to consider BMW a pro bowl receiver. He isn’t particularly fast though he can get a good head of speed once he gets going, he’s got good but not great hands. He doesn’t run crisp routes, and he is very slow coming in and out of breaks. His size and body control are his only outstanding assets, but barring a miraculous increase in speed I don’t see where you’re getting pro bowl from. I’d be surprised if he ever hits Marques Colston numbers, and Colston’s no pro bowler.
by Thomas Beekers on Jun 30, 2011 3:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Hi Vas...
I can’t argue with anything you’ve said about BMW. But I have this completely insane thought that last year was more like a pretty good rookie season or first year coming back from an ACL surgery, and I think there is maybe a 30% chance we see a big sophomore bounce. I mean, he was totally out of football and 40lbs (?) overweight. He spent two years actively not being explosive or particularly athletic. Not sure if he can get it back, but he is reportedly working out 6 hours a day this summer on regaining his explosiveness, and if he did wouldn’t it just make him just a whole hell of a lot of fun to watch.
Well ok, this four fingered backhanded catch against Arizona while fighting off the DB was pretty darn probowerlish
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72-e0Qscw3w
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Honestly it's a moot point
As in open to discussion. He’s shown flashes of greatness and flashes of suckness. I’m pegging him down the middle, some will peg him in either extreme.
Now I’m going to do a set of articles on it. So there!
by Thomas Beekers on Jun 30, 2011 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think anyone could honestly call him a bad player
but all this “BMW is an elite #1 WR and we don’t need to upgrade the position” talk really needs to be tempered with reality.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Jun 30, 2011 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
He's slow, has dropped plenty of would-be TDs and got out-muscled by midget CBs in the last playoff game
He’s probably a great #2 but there’s no way he’s “elite”.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Jun 30, 2011 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
He wasn't elite last year
But I wouldn’t start throwing around definitives like "no way he’s "elite"". Like many talents out there, if the system and the players around him are right, who knows. He will definitely have to improve, but if he gets some good QB play, he could be elite.
by stufr on Jul 1, 2011 4:28 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
There's no way he's elite
right now. He could put up elite production or become an elite WR, but there’s no way you could call him one based on the available evidence (but that doesn’t stop people from doing so).
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Jul 1, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions

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