Softy Mahler sez we offered 1st + 3rd for Kolb.

He's not citing any sources, just something he "heard," but according to him the Seahawks offered the Eagles a 1st round and 3rd round pick for Kevin Kolb before the lockout began.

I'm not posting this because I think this rumor is legitimate, but because (a.) If the Seahawks want Kolb, that's probably the price they'll have to pay, and (b.) I want to get a reaction from the Field Gulls faithful. Until the lockout is over, all we can do is speculate.

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I don't trust the rumor

Softy cites no sources and everything sounds like a composite of “common knowledge” sort of rumors that have been circulating for awhile (we looked into Kolb, they were asking for a 1st+3rd last year, etc).

It would be nice to have the QB position settled but I think the price is a little too high for a guy that’s still unproven and about the same age as Charlie.

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Jul 2, 2011 3:17 PM PDT reply actions

Totally agree on all counts.

To be honest, I mainly posted this because I doubt much will be going on this holiday weekend, football-wise, and this is something somewhat interesting to talk about.

Although this price is too high, with Palmer off the table I could easily talk myself into Kolb.

by J.L. White on Jul 2, 2011 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions

I could probably talk myself into Kolb as well

but on paper, emotionally-divorced from it, I don’t like the trade for us.

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Jul 2, 2011 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions

No! Bad!

SMASH!

And could we PLEASE keep and use a 3rd round pick already? It’s been years.

by Thomas Beekers on Jul 2, 2011 4:41 PM PDT reply actions

Yup

I wonder how many 3rds we spent between Carlson, Unger and Butler.

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Jul 2, 2011 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions

We had a 3rd this year.

Moffit :)

by bonecruncher on Jul 3, 2011 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions

Not our own 3rd

The last time we used our own 3rd was Mebane. The last time we hadn’t traded away a our 3rd prior to the draft was 2008.

by Thomas Beekers on Jul 3, 2011 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions

Just messing around.

Hope eveyone has a great 4th! Sorry for the chat speak.

by bonecruncher on Jul 3, 2011 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions

I mean shit...

Just get me some solidarity at QB whatever it takes. Kolb would actually benefit being on the Hawks, especially since we’re committing to the run game. He gives me more confidence than CW, and if the rumor is true, they think he’s our long term fix.

Just end this lockout already!

Ka-Kaaa!

by JerryNice on Jul 2, 2011 5:41 PM PDT reply actions

What has he done in his career to inspire confidence

A record of consistently playing well?
The ability to make lessor talents look better?
Anything other than a pumped up image?

He has been inconsistent over a few starts on an incredibly talented offensive team.

by stufr on Jul 3, 2011 5:39 AM PDT up reply actions

Doesn't mean I'm advocating Kolb, just talking about the QB situation in general...

More than likely this is all smoke anyways.

Ka-Kaaa!

by JerryNice on Jul 3, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions

But the question still stand. Where does he inspire confidence?

He is great with the first read, bad after that. He is about CWs age. He doesn’t have the gun that CW has and has had injury issue when he attempts to roll out and keep plays alive. I just don’t see how you wouldn’t give CW a chance and use the draft choices for anything else.

by stufr on Jul 3, 2011 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions

I don't think he's bad after the first read at all...

…at least no more than any inexperienced QB. That was an early take on him, but he made plenty of clean second and third read throws as he gained confidence.

Where he inspires confidence is A) the look on Andy Reid’s face when he talks about him, B) the huge games he’s already produced, C) the gorgeous deep ball he throws, D) his 5 years of experience in a WCO, and E) the fact that he beat out McNabb.

by FWBrodie on Jul 3, 2011 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions

Are you sure that Andy Reid didn't eat a brat before you saw the look on his face?

He has also produced flops. CW throws a great deep ball. WCO is really a nebulous term that doesn’t mean much when you change teams, unless the coaching staff goes with you. McNabb isn’t good. Thats more of a compliment of Reid and CO, who had the guts to make a bold move. I hope we do that this year and not resign Matt.
Don’t get me wrong. If we get him I will cheer like crazy and hope it works out, but anything but a thirdish type price, would be overpaying and disappoint me.

by stufr on Jul 4, 2011 4:22 AM PDT up reply actions

That WCO comment is BS

but I’ll buy the rest of what your selling as the coined flipped versions of what I said and equally possible.

Playing in a WCO that is different in terms of terminology is still loaded with similarity.

by FWBrodie on Jul 4, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions

Oh, God, I hope this isn't true.

by djafrot on Jul 2, 2011 11:42 PM PDT reply actions

Burn it with fire.

by Modrik Zutar on Jul 3, 2011 1:28 AM PDT reply actions

He is worth a third and only a third

Anything more would be overpaying for his apparent talent level.

by stufr on Jul 3, 2011 5:40 AM PDT reply actions

What if Philly

asked for Aaron Curry and a third round pick? Would you pull that trigger?

(Speculation based on recent belief that Eagles would prefer an “impact player” rather than a draft pick)

by FWBrodie on Jul 3, 2011 12:44 PM PDT reply actions

in a heartbeat

That would be phenomenal…I think Kolb has shown a lot more potential than Curry ever has and obviously a potential franchise QB is more valuable than a OLB (especially a draft bust OLB). I could part with the 3rd too

by Dialectic on Jul 3, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions

Curry's just being wasted

The KJ Wright pick was odd. Not because the Hawks didn’t need LB depth, but because he’s got almost identical skills to Curry. Doesn’t seem like Carroll asks a whole lot from SLB anyway.

I think the Curry plus 3rd might be a little steep considering that Kolb has one year remaining, but Curry would definitely be on the table for me. Philly is shallow at LB too so it makes sense on their end.

by FWBrodie on Jul 3, 2011 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions

It'd probably be well-received because of how we perceive Curry

But we have 0 LB depth and I wouldn’t be shocked to see Curry break out while Kolb fails. I wouldn’t like it.

by Thomas Beekers on Jul 3, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions

$$$

No way Philly takes on Curry’s huge 4th overall pick salary.

by J.L. White on Jul 3, 2011 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions

Rob Stanton said on twitter

that he believed this happened before the draft…and honestly, the way this Fo values draft picks, I have a hard time believing we would give up so much for Kolb. I’m sure the Whitehurst experiment is still a bitter pill for them to swallow.

Offseason 2011: Kelly Jennings, Craig Terrill, and Matt Hasselbeck...good riddance.
Shut up about Andrew Luck already.

by Wayward Llama on Jul 3, 2011 3:39 PM PDT reply actions

I've seen too much bad from Kolb to want him at all.

Not saying Charlie or anyone else is better, just that we wouldn’t profit much by obtaining him from what I can see. This is my measured, civil response which is usually usurped by, “Please no. No no no no.”

Recently engaged! Best. Off-season. Ever.

by Cheddar28 on Jul 3, 2011 4:30 PM PDT reply actions

Have you seen the Atlanta game?

Kolb has a handful of starts under his belt, but the fact that several have been very good (2X offensive player of the week) already shows that he has some big upside. Even the greatest quarterbacks usually start their careers with some rough games.

In Kolb I see all the tools of Charlie Whitehurst, but with refined accuracy on all levels. There’s risk with any unestablished QB, but I don’t see how you can base an evaluation of a young quarterback off a couple bad games when he’s had just as many really good games.

by FWBrodie on Jul 3, 2011 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions

If this were true, Kolb would already be a Seahawk.

No way Philly turns down this deal.

by Wilder. on Jul 3, 2011 5:22 PM PDT reply actions

Kolb is more valuable than most second-stringers though

Vick still runs too much, doesn’t slide, and he’s old. Much like Schaub was “the most valuable back-up in all of pro football”, Kolb represents more value to the Iggles than most second-stringers do. I doubt Vick will start 16 games next season.

by Thomas Beekers on Jul 3, 2011 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions

Teams couldn't trade with each other before the lockout.

They could talk, though….it is possible a deal had been worked out in principle. But considering we’re just now hearing about it 4 months later, even if it was true back then it might not be true now (and a team like Arizona could still outbid us for Kolb’s services).

by J.L. White on Jul 3, 2011 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions

Too high a price, IMHO.

by thebyron on Jul 3, 2011 9:58 PM PDT reply actions

I'm sure there have been times that persistent and numerous rumors all point to one thing

over the course of two offseasons, yet never once was there any truth to them.

I don’t think this is one of those cases. I don’t know if all the details are true, but I basically believe it. I can’t imagine all this time, after all this, that Schneider & Carroll never once inquired about Kolb. I can’t imagine they have not had some serious interest in him.

They’ve shown themselves very eager to entertain all sorts of moves, and it seems they don’t value the players they do have to the extent that we think they should. But they’ve gone after players and draft pick trades they strongly wanted and ended up not making a move. They have a ceiling to the deals they’ll make, and they have shown themselves comfortable with not making the move they want to make.

This fits. Our 1st rounder was late. I could easily believe we offered a 1st & 3rd.

Head of catering.

by jacobstevens on Jul 5, 2011 9:47 AM PDT reply actions

But...we didn't have a third

by Thomas Beekers on Jul 5, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions

Ah well there is that hole in the theory.

There was also an inability to trade players, was there not? And then we speculated the extent to which teams may or may not make trade agreements, waiting for the ability to execute them. They seemed to have had a plan to acquire a third prior to the draft. Nonetheless, the detail can’t be 100% accurate.

Head of catering.

by jacobstevens on Jul 5, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions

A majority of draft picks are traded on draft day.

It’s conceivable that the Seahawks and Eagles agreed in principle on the trade (before the lockout began), with the condition that the Seahawks would at some point acquire a 3rd rounder, and then consummate the trade on the day of the 1st round.

Possibly.

by J.L. White on Jul 5, 2011 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions

Teams are prohibited from trading players until a new league year starts

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Jul 6, 2011 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions

I know, that's why I the Seahawks and Eagles (possibly) had a "handshake" deal.

They knew a lockout was looming, but it was also possible the courts could have lifted it before the draft, so maybe, juuuuust maybe, both sides discussed the particulars before March 1st, so that if a new league year began before the draft, they’d be ready.

Since the 2011 draft has come and gone, I doubt the Seahawks would be offering a similar deal if and when this fucking lockout ends.

by J.L. White on Jul 6, 2011 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions