Seattle Seahawks Wish List
by Jacson Bevens on Jul 22, 2011 8:00 AM PDT
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PrintThe NFL lockout has been described as a journey down a "long and winding road", among other things. Bullshit. It's been a slow, bickering meander down a short, taupe-colored hallway with stern, douchebaggy portraits hanging on the walls and a gorgeous boardroom filled with sexy free agents (and even sexier NFL games) at the end of it.
Now, despite their best efforts to the contrary, the owners and NFLPA have seemingly trundled to within a few short steps (or a couple giant steps, depending on who you ask) of ending this impasse and getting back to doing the things that made us care about them in the first place.
Make no mistake, the new CBA will have some changes when it comes to roster construction, not the least of which will be the institution of a "salary floor." There is still some haziness surrounding the new salary cap/floor structure, but no matter how the final pieces of bologna are sliced, the Seahawks are sure to have lots of room on their plate. It remains to be seen whether Pete Carroll and John Schneider are big-game hunters when it comes to free agency, but their hand, like everyone else's, will be forced to some degree as the free agency/trade market promises to be wilder than a Snookie/Steve-O sex tape.
Recently, Danny, Vasilii, and I had a discussion over cognac and fine cigars (Twitter), the topic of which was the players Seattle is most likely to sign/trade for. There were a few names that came up more than once; among them were Johnathan Joseph, Alan Branch, Cullen Jenkins, Brandon Mebane, and of course, Carson Palmer. As always, I left the conversation impressed by the football acumen displayed by both Danny and Vasilii, but I also went away thinking about my dream acquisitions for Seattle.
I'll reveal those in the comments section but I want to know what you, the learned members of the 12th Man, would like to see the 'Hawks do. The feedback was a huge success with the "Perfect Draft" article a few months ago, as you guys came out in full force with your wish lists. It is in that spirit that I turn the discussion over to you. Who would you like to see Seattle sign in free agency? Who do you want them to re-sign, trade for, or let go?
Let your voices be heard!*
*Read quietly online by other people in their offices.
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Hasselbeck and Mebane
certainly are at the top of the list. I expect the Hawks to resign both. The players will not fool around much with free agency. They want to get on with their short careers. After those two I would look for a guard to replace the loud mouth Chester Pitts. Gallery would be okay but there are other choices. A speed WR may also be in the plan. The Hawks should be flush with cap space so I expect they will be big players in FA in the days ahead.
Isn't it interesting that Chester needs to do all the talking when discussing the lockout and his play on the field says nothing...
Earl Thomas + Mark Legree = Earl Gree. A new flavor of safety coming to you on Sunday's this Fall. They're gonna wake you up!
He's the Seahawks team rep for the negotiations
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Jul 22, 2011 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm aware of this but I'd like for the player reps to be decent at their real job.
Earl Thomas + Mark Legree = Earl Gree. A new flavor of safety coming to you on Sunday's this Fall. They're gonna wake you up!
He was hurt all year. The guy can play when healthy.
by Billy Showbiz on Jul 22, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Its still not clear that he'll ever be "healthy"
Recovery from microfracture knee surgery isn’t a sure thing for NFL linemen.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Jul 22, 2011 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Everyone is going to go D so I'll pick some O
V. Young-LG Mankins would be nice but their are other players in FA that are serviceable.
by Redzone59 on Jul 22, 2011 9:00 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
I would avoid Vincent Jackson and Mankins on principle.
They refused to play per their existing contracts. They held out until it would hurt their status.
There are different ways to deal with the business side of the business – I just wouldn’t want these guys on my team, as a fan or a team-mate, no matter how talented (and they won’t come cheap).
W/ $38mil to spend
QB: Need to move on from Hasselbeck. He had the unseen audacity to hold out on a new contract for more money. Late on Signing, “No Fruit-Cup”!
Pitch Carson, Vince Young, or even Kolb etc.etc.
CB: Johnathan Joseph would be perfect
DL: resign Mebane, and or still acquire more beastly Line ie A.Branch.
DE: Osi or Mathias of NYG, if we dont resign Brock.
OL: Dahl
Yeah I know, prob. over budget
I don't expect there to be a tremendous blizzard of free agent activity between teams
I think this close to the season, unless there’s some truly pressing need, most teams will be happy to stick with what they have or what they can swipe on short notice. Most new free agents I expect will angle for short one or two year deals and just get the season underway with their “home” team or somewhere similar. Then, in the 2012 off season, there will be a free agency period of musical chairs-like quality.
That said, I’d be super happy if Gallery made it to us. A successful veteran on a mostly young line would definitely ease up on fears that the talented but inexperienced crew would fall apart.
A good veteran QB to a short-term deal would be good. Whether or not the front office wants to go with CW as our man for this year, the fact remains that he’s the only QB signed on the roster, so either resigning Hasselbeck or getting hold of some other durable backup QB is almost a certainty.
I’d like to go after a sturdy defensive lineman or two, but I’d have no idea who to target or who’s available. There might be some talented undrafted free agents floating out there that’d fill in nicely.
Everywhere else I think we’re pretty well stocked on halfway decent starters and some very promising prospects. Making a big splash going after a free agent safety, for example, would be pretty redundant. Same with WR.
In order:
1) Palmer
2) Joseph
3) Mebane
4) Gallery
WEEEEEEEE!
Ka-Kaaa!
by JerryNice on Jul 22, 2011 9:43 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Well, he's certain to be a cap-casualty of the Jets.
I've got ridiculous upside.
by Jacson Bevens on Jul 22, 2011 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I doubt it
I mean, he’s one of their highest-paid players, and they can’t reneg him under the new CBA, but they’re not ready to admit defeat like that.
by Thomas Beekers on Jul 22, 2011 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
You think they would cut their starting QB after just two years?
That would be beyond harsh, especially considering they don’t have any other potential starters lined up and having drafted him fifth overall.
Since it seems we're likely not going to re-sign Spencer, Bane and Hasselbeck
1) Jenkins
2) Joseph
3) O’Dowd (UDFA)
4) Ian Williams (UDFA)
5) Terrance Toliver (UDFA)
6) Gallery
7) Devlin or Tolzien (UDFA)
I don't think the Seahawks will allow a UDFA to be the backup QB to Charlie.
Even if CW is our starting QB, we’ll sign some veteran to be his backup (even if it’s Tavaris or Leinart).
I completely concur
Pete is ballsy but not to the point of unreasonableness. But I don’t really have a hankering for Tarvaris or Leinart or any other veteran FA QB specifically so I left ’em off the list
by Modrik Zutar on Jul 23, 2011 1:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Like two Oompa Loompas having seizures on top of each other.
I've got ridiculous upside.
by Jacson Bevens on Jul 22, 2011 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Since we do not know the status of Franchise Tags
I would go for Ngata. I would be happy getting some of these.
QB: Carson Palmer or Kyle Orton
FB: Leach or Reece
WR: Sydney Rice
OL: Evan Mathis, Yanda
DE: Osi, Paul Soliai, Stylez G White (just because is there a better name in the NFL?)
DT: Barry Cofield, Resign Mebane, Aubrayo Franklin, Vickerson, NGATA
CB: Nmandi, JJoseph, Rhoutt
S: Weddle, weddle, weddle, Mikell
K: Mare or Crosby but truthfully i do not care that much
Gallery, Leach and a good DT: be it Mebane or someone else
Also a project QB like Tavaris or Vince Young (no matt or carson). My wish is that the Hawks add pieces that will help them in the future, while performing fairly poorly this year and getting a top draft pick and a new QB, leading to a decade of glory. Its not cool to hope your team loses, I know, but that is where I’m at
Within the realm of realistic possibility, I'd like to see:
Alan Branch, Robert Gallery, Brandon Mebane, Carson Palmer, Johnathan Joseph in that order.
Dreamy Jacson drools over Nnamdi Asomugha and Logan Mankins. And Emmanuelle Chirique.
I've got ridiculous upside.
List of wishes:
1- Joseph
2- Mebane
3- Kyle Orton + Vince Young
4- A veteran Guard that fits the scheme but isn’t expensive.
5- Randy Moss (going to catch shit for this). This only makes sense if we get someone to throw the ball to him. Wouldn’t make sense if we have Charlie or Tarvaris.
If we still have money to spend, get as much competition/depth on the d-line as we can get. Similar to what we did for the secondary in the draft.
so why does Orton get such a bad rap?
it seems he puts up excellent numbers. Perhaps he lacks leadership, being clutch in the right moments, or what?
by RawkEmHawkEmBirdbots on Jul 22, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't say excellent
He puts up game manager numbers. Low YPA, low comp percentage, low TD numbers. Even in the Broncos’ explosive offense he survived by his smarts (he’s a great no-huddle guy and quick underneath passer), and that’s about as good a fit as I can imagine for him.
Orton is all poise and football intelligence. But he shies away from forcing the ball even when it’s needed, has never been a great long passer and isn’t very athletic. I can see what McD saw in him, but if you want him be realistic about him, he’s not a franchise-caliber guy. He’s a “solid starter”, and would probably be an upgrade over options like Whitehurst, Tarvaris, Leinart or Young, but I don’t think there’s a lot of upside to him and his role for us would be a game manager. His contract is hefty ($8.9 million) and lasts only one year more. Orton’s a solid option for a team that has a lot of pieces in place in the offense otherwise, but he’s not a QB who’ll make your team that much better. So if we want him, it has to be at the right, really low, price.
by Thomas Beekers on Jul 22, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Thanks,
So basically he’s too expensive for someone who wouldn’t be much of an upgrade from what we have.
by RawkEmHawkEmBirdbots on Jul 22, 2011 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
His career has taken such a weird path...
The thing that worries me the most is the word “average” which seems to be associated with him a lot. He wasn’t able to oust Rex Grossman in Chicago and was benched for Tim Tebow development. In both cases it seemed like he deserved the playing time but the team priorities were different. However, he could really be just that, average.
Money wise, I think his contract would be restructured anywhere he goes. Add a couple more years and level out the contract (3 year 18-20?).
Agreed, he is probably a better fit with a more established team. Maybe I wish we could be considered established.
Orton was the Bronco's explosive offense,
they didn’t run the ball at all last year. Orton’s stats last year were very good, and was better deep last year than he has ever been. All while playing from behind the majority of the time. Had he played the whole season, he would have eclipsed 4000 yards. 42 touchdowns and 21 interceptions over the last two years is pretty good, and is substantially better than you know who. The idea that he doesn’t throw the mid/deep ball is off base, Lloyd averaged 18.8 yards per pass last year with Orton feeding him the ball. You don’t get that average from YAC. Brandon Marshall who? 281 yards per game is hardly game manager. Neither is the over 7 YPA that he put up last year. All with no running game to speak of.
I still don’t want him. They were 2-11 with him starting last year, with his two wins including the win over us, when the punchless Seahawk offense gave him a gimme. He almost never throws over the middle, which is why his completion percentage suffers. He has always been a much better first half quarterback than second, and has never been much of a road winner. He is not the ingredient Seattle needs to progress.
by Harvey Manfrengenson on Jul 22, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Stats can be deceptive. Orton's production came primarily from the system, not from his skillset.
by Thomas Beekers on Jul 22, 2011 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
True
Just like Cutler, his performance would likely suffer if he wasn’t playing in the ideal system.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Jul 22, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree that the system helps him
and Denver’s very decent offensive line gave him the time to find Lloyd as well. But the lack of a running game didn’t help him, and he still threw for over 280 yards a game. You said he put up game manager numbers, and said his YPA was low. I guess either your standards for what constitute a game manager are extremely stringent, or you were referencing his career stats more than last year’s.
by Harvey Manfrengenson on Jul 23, 2011 5:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Career stats, yeah
I consider last year an outlier he is very unlikely to reproduce.
by Thomas Beekers on Jul 23, 2011 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Randy Moss
I wouldn’t be bad to bring him in if he is willing to “buy in” and compete. Could be a very big pay off and it would not be that big of a deal to cut him if it doesn’t work out.
by Nathan Dart on Jul 22, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I dont see Randy Moss being a good option for us.
He’s been around this league too long to come to a team that is growing. I think he would just complain about our offense if it were to struggle rather than buck up and buy in.
by RawkEmHawkEmBirdbots on Jul 22, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
he had Brady throwing to him
Some people just won’t be happy EVER no matter what. That’s not true, he’d be happy to bring the people around him down. He’s a very talented WR like T.O. was but I don’t think the Hawks even consider him in the plans. Don’t need him in the locker room yelling at caterers and the QB. IMO
by SGT Lenny on Jul 22, 2011 12:23 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Plus remember his stint in Minnesota this year...
I don’t think Bevell would be willing to bring him in after that.
by Billy Showbiz on Jul 22, 2011 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Defensive line is your last priority?
We have a bigger need at defensive tackle than we do at quarterback.
So many needs...
I consider Mebane to be part of the D-Line and we have so many needs. Sure I would love to get Osi and Alan Branch but I was trying to be realistic. I like my wishes to come true sometimes.
Another reason is, we keep mentioning the word “rebuilding” when we talk about QB but we are willing to splurge when it comes to other positions. We need to sign the people in need and then sign some to develop.
People know what I think, but...
Johnathan Joseph is my favorite player of the FA pool, though Cromartie or Nnamdi would also be good fits. The secondary needs an upgrade, and I think an upgrade at CB1 would improve the entire field more than an upgrade at SS would. The other Joseph would be the ideal guard but the Bucs have the most cap space of all teams, there’s no way they’re not re-signing him.
Other than Joseph I don’t have a lot of favorites. I think we can’t afford to let Mebane walk. Other players we should look to re-sign/extend are Polumbus (he’s an RFA and could start at LG), Willis (might not be the best fit), Spencer (better than Unger), Herring (can’t have this LB group backed up by just two rooks) and maybe Babs (who would work the SS rotation with Chance and LeGree). A lot of these guys will want to look for starting positions/money elsewhere tho.
I don’t like the idea of investing much in the QB spot for a long-shot or old player. Kolb’s not worth it, let the Cards sink or swim with him. Orton’s fine if the Broncos cave and give him up easy, but don’t oversell him, he’s distinctly average, not a franchise QB level guy. Taking a shot on Leinart out of this FA pool or Young if he’s cut is worth a try. Putting a lot of money in any old FA is folly for a rebuilding team unless it’s a really short contract. That’s true for Hasselbeck as it is for Palmer. Would love to see Palmer in a Seahawks uniform but cash and pick price has to be right.
We need to sign more interior DTs even if we re-sign Mebane. Re-signing someone who knows the system like Siavii or Jay Richardson is a must (not Craig Terrill, by preference). Alan Branch is someone I’ve advocated for a while as an interesting system fit. But I expect the FO to have their own scouting at the ready and to take some shots we don’t expect in this field. I don’t mind as long as we get some depth. The same is true for OL. Expect signings you don’t expect, which is all good as long as they get their guys.
I also think we can and should take a few shots at cast-offs. This includes Vince Young when/if he’s cast-off, though he’s almost a lost cause as unpolished as he is at his age, still not capable of running anything but a run-option offense. I’m also interested in Vernon Gholston. He’s as big a bust as we’ve seen in the past five years, and I don’t have high hopes for him if the Jets can’t make him work, but his production in college did come from playing a Leo-esque position and he might fit in better here. His upside is through the roof. I say bring him in, try him out. No need to invest anything high in the DE spots right now. We have some depth at the 5-tech and the Leo end seems set as well.
UDFAs are a separate matter but there are a lot I like, including Matangi Tonga, Kris O’Down, and Terrence Toliver. We should see a ton of them rotate in with the expanded roster space.
by Thomas Beekers on Jul 22, 2011 10:34 AM PDT reply actions
Funny you mention Gholston - I listed him as one target as well, I think the piece will be up later today.
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FIELDGULLS
by Danny Kelly on Jul 22, 2011 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
I couldn't agree more on Gholston
by Redzone59 on Jul 22, 2011 6:01 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I like that you touched on DL depth
That is one position that I’d love to see Seattle start to stockpile. DL allows for much more rotation that other positions and having a fleet of hungry big-guys coming in fresh every few downs could be a huge pain for opposing OLs.
I've got ridiculous upside.
by Jacson Bevens on Jul 22, 2011 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
It'll will be interesting how many high ceiling/small name players will pop up
when PC is allowed to have 90 players at camp. It seems that a talented DLineman can come from anywhere. They may find several players with the goods through FA and UDFA’s that fit our scheme and can turn into top line players.
by RawkEmHawkEmBirdbots on Jul 22, 2011 10:45 AM PDT reply actions
The scheme decides how well the players do, not the other way around
I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul - Invictus
One can set up their scheme around their players, or find players that fit the scheme.
by RawkEmHawkEmBirdbots on Jul 22, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
The latter is what PC has been doing though
I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul - Invictus
I'd be totally okay with that too.
I mean, a good cup of coffee isn’t as exciting as a milkshake but there’s a reason I drink coffee every morning and not a milkshake.
I've got ridiculous upside.
by Jacson Bevens on Jul 22, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was voted "Most Analagous" in high school.
I've got ridiculous upside.
by Jacson Bevens on Jul 22, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
If you had the choice between coffee and a milkshake why would you choose the former?
by Coach Owens on Jul 22, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Excitement =/= Value
I've got ridiculous upside.
by Jacson Bevens on Jul 22, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Wishlist
Tried to put together a list of the players I want the most and a comparable from a past FA class to get an idea of how much they’d get paid.
1. Jonathan Joseph: 6 years, 57 million (25.5 million guaranteed) – The market tends to overpay for young, talented corners. This is what Dunta Robinson got a few years ago.
2. Vonta Leach: 3 years, 11 million (7 million guaranteed) – What Leonard Weaver, and he wants to be the highest paid FB which currently belongs to Weaver.
3. Robert Gallery: 5 years, 26.5 million (I couldn’t find a good comparison last year, 2 years ago there was Derrick Dockery who at the time was pretty good, and around the same age as Gallery. It’s probably not the best comparable but I wouldn’t go any higher than this for Gallery.
.. and of course, re-sign Mebane.
Seems a little long for Gallery (31)
Guess that all depends on guaranteed money and a variety of other factors that could make him an easy cut down the road.
I could see the Hawks taking a younger route though.
I wish, I wish...
1. ME! BANE!
2. Johnathan Joseph
3. Another DT; I’d be open to Haynesworth
4. Gallery, or some high tiered OL
5. QB- McNabb* or V.Young
6. Spencer; Maybe Unger will do better at C than G, but I’m not sold on him.
7. Polumbus; I like him as solid depth, perhaps Willis too.
8. Milloy or Babs; I don’t expect to see both back, but I’d like to have some senior presence in or backfield.
9. High tiered FB; It would be a nice addition, but I’d rather resources be put elsewhere. Robinson is adequate as a blocker, just stop trying to pass to him. In fact, let him try and pass.
10. Randy Moss; I would take a flier on him any time.
*He hasn’t been mentioned with us at all, but he has always been my favorite non-Hawk. I’d argue one of the most underrated QBs ever.
Wishlist
I would like to see the Hawks sign a good, stable QB. I’m not sure if Hasselbeck will be back or not, but we need some youth on offense. I would like to see Vonta Leach in a Hawks uniform. I think our secondary is horrible. If I had my way I would do whatever it takes to get Nmamdi Asomugha up here. Cromartie would be nice too.
Time is the key issue here...
Camp battles will be much more difficult this preseason considering the scramble to even get players on the field. I feel like this front office used last season without the salary cap and cap hits to juggle in as many guys as possible in year 1 to test their new system and find gems. That being said I think we’ll pick up a few key guys to spend the money and sign as many undrafted guys needed to fill the roster up to 90. Big names we should target:
1. Jonathan Joseph…only 26
2. Robert Gallery…solidifies our line making Okung even better
3. Brandon Mebane…talented young DTs don’t grow on trees
4. Matt Hasselbeck…I just don’t see him leaving. It’s obvious there is no QB out there worth picking up. Sign Matt and draft a QB next year to compete this year. Any new QB will set us back even further. Orton… Young… Palmer? Really any better than Matt? Not enough reward for the risk…
Palmer is better than Matt
Look at the numbers. You can count on close to 4,000 yards from Carson. Matt is a 3,000 yard guy. He’s also 5 years younger, has a better arm and the same leadership qualities. I wouldn’t break the bank for him but I’d take him over Matt in a second.
by Billy Showbiz on Jul 22, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Can't just "take" him...
Carson Palmer’s numbers aren’t that much better actually. His passer rating is quite terrible actually. Granted the AFC North is head and shoulders above the NFC west but giving up a draft pick for a guy that’s 30+ to be in the same predicament 5 years from now doesn’t sound appealing hence the risk/reward statement. Orton is a complete product of a pass happy offense which we will not be so he’d be closer to his days as a Bear ( no thanks ). And Young is talented but a terrible fit for our new scheme. Vince’s only credit is that he’s a winner but I counter that as Chris Johnson and that offensive line is a winner. I say get the franchise guy next year. The lockout made any other option a crapshoot for this season…
Young is a great fit for a run-option offense, including our offense from last year
Are we assuming hiring Bevell indicates a big change of direction? I’m not so sure.
by Thomas Beekers on Jul 22, 2011 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
That's exactly why we fired Bates...for change
Now I agree that Young is good for a run first offense but our talent level is a far cry from who the titans have. We’d be betting on not only Young but our line to develop at a rapid pace starting 2 rookies and 2 second year guys ( assuming Unger will play center and his entire second year was wiped out essentially due to injury). Honestly it’s tough to say with a Bevell/Cable led offense. The dynamics of the two coaches appear different. Tavaris Jackson is a fair comparison to Young, though less talented, and Jackson looked mediocre at best running a loaded Vikings offense. And the Raiders have less talent on their line but still fielded an above average run game. I get that Hass is old news and may have worn out his best play but this season is a terrible time to toss a new QB out there with essentially 4 weeks to prep and lead the team. If not Hass then go with Charlie. To me that’s our best option considering the circumstances.
Eh, that's pretty debatable
As far as I could tell it was more about Bates resisting Carroll’s influence. How that manifested is unknown for now I think.
I'm pretty sure it was a mixture of
- building an offense around having two tight ends that suddenly weren’t there.
- Not being able to do anything with the run game.
- Calling a fade route on 4th and 1 like clockwork.
It's PC offense no matter who the OC is IMO
by Redzone59 on Jul 22, 2011 6:06 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Agree 100% - I think Bevell will run PCs offense, not his own offense.
It will probably have Bevell’s terminology and some of his plays, but by and large it’s going to be what Pete wants to run (and what Cable does too). The play calling aspect is going to be interesting I think.
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Second
Palmer is a better QB than Matt who has plummeted to Marc-Bulger levels of terrible. At least with Palmer you can pencil him in for more than a season.
I agree...
Palmer had his worst season yet last year, and threw something like 26 TD’s. I think Matt’s only reached that level once in his career.
We need a vet behind our improved line, since we’re emphasizing the run anyways…
At this point (and I hate to say it), I would trust Palmer to lead this team more than Matt. Matt singlehandedly wins or kills games for us. Lately, it’s been more of the latter.
Ka-Kaaa!
Maybe the Saints will keep Bush and trade their new shiny RB they just drafted...
(just effing with ya)
Wishlist:
1. Johnathan Joseph
2. Alan Branch
3. Sidney Rice
4. Vince Young
Palmer & Gallery.
I don’t like the value of the available DTs.
It’s gonna be a rough year.
Head of catering.
Here we go, not in order
Vonta Leach should be a priority coming out of the ZBS in Houston. Remember when we used to be able to run the ball, that was before Mack Strong retired.
Sidney Rice – I’m dreaming here but he’s an elite player and Bevell know how to use him.
Joseph or any other good corner I’d steer clear of Cromartie, the guy is a primadonna.
Gallery or another OG, I like that he’s coming from Cable’s system
Cullen Jenkins, Cofield, Branch, etc. I like Mebane but I really don’t think he’s suited for our system. I don’t really know who is though.
Carson Palmer is my preference at QB. If he’s not available I’d give Leinart a look. Vince Young I’m not so high on but maybe he’d come around with Pete keeping him up. I say no to Matt and Tavaris. I’d welcome Orton too.
The year of "the run"
My list will sort of keep in theme with what Pete Carroll has been preaching both verbally and in the form of draft picks all offseason, building the run game is priority #1. So while a flashy WR and the best CB available are attractive options, I expect the boys upstairs to remain disciplined and try to achieve their top goal first.
1.OG Davin Joseph, best left side in the division
2. FB Vonta Leach, All-Pro lane creator
3. DT/DE Alan Branch, upgrades two positions currently occupied by shaky (health) starters
4. CB Jonathan Joseph, big, young, athletic #1 potential, injury prone though
5. QB Tarvaris Jackson, if Palmer’s unavailable
6. DE Vernon Gholston, likely cheap, upside remains
I like this list - except for #5. Don't like Tavaris Jackson at all. We know what he can do - very unimpressive.
Change the name to Leinert – with the idea of likely going with CW as the starter, based on how the quick competition goes.
Leinart really doesn't fit
the picture that Pete Carroll has painted for the position. However, Leinart vs Jackson is splitting ugly hairs so I won’t argue further. I think we all know what those two players represent for next season.
Also Mebane probably makes my list just above Branch
out of necessity and lack of other options. For that same reason he could get PAID somewhere else though.
1. Joseph, new #1 CB would do our D well, Tru isn’t the same.
2. Joseph LG, he would solidify our o-line for years to come.
3. Branch DT/DE, More beef up front and he can backup Red.
4. Willaims or Martin (UDFA) some young DT’s to come in to compete
5. Leach FB, make Mack Strong happy and sign a classic blocking fullback.
6. Palmer QB, only if we get him cheap. Could bridge us to our QBotF.
7. Aquib Talib CB, I think we can get him cheap. Trufant would likely be gone for this to happen tho.
8. Gholston DE, could be a cheap Leo type end if Brock isn’t resigned.
Here Goes Nothing...
Samson Satele C Oak
Gradkowski QB Oak
V Gholston LEO NYJ
E. Wright CB CLE
D. Stanton QB DET
J. Jones WR GB ( I don’t know if this is realistic)
M. Bush RB OAK ( I don’t know if this is realistic)
B. Cofield DT NYG ( I don’t know if this is realistic)
by bdeviled11 on Jul 22, 2011 3:19 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Dream.
Barry Cofield DT
Justin Blalock OG
Alan Branch DT
Antonio Cromartie CB
Samson Satele C
Marcell Reece FB
James Jones WR
Vince Young QB
I really do not think this can happen.
by BATSUPER on Jul 22, 2011 3:26 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd for officially being the first person to ever dream about Samson Satele.
Not that I wouldn’t mind seeing him on the roster…
I've got ridiculous upside.
by Jacson Bevens on Jul 22, 2011 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
You're probably right.
I’m all for OL and DL depth. Build around the ball and work outwards from there.
I've got ridiculous upside.
by Jacson Bevens on Jul 22, 2011 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Sign Branch, lose Mebane. Bryant and Cole combine for 20 games. Chris Clemons disappears
Sign Gallery to a 6 year deal. He gets crippled 3 games in.
Charlie and Tavaris battle for a starting job at QB after Hasselbeck signs a 2 year/$12M deal with TEN. The run game never gets going and the “RB vs OL” debate resumes for the 4th year in a row (someone finds a way to blame it on Hasselbeck or Brian Russell).
Trufant gets traded for a 6th. Jennings is resigned to a 1-year deal and starts alongside WT3.
Herring leaves in FA. Tats get injured, Hawthorne slides over to MLB, Curry slides over to WLB and KJ Wright steps in at SLB. The LB corps racks up a bunch of flashy stats (6-8 combined sacks, 6 ints) but blows a lot of tackles.
SF somehow signs Andrew Luck, ARI gets Kolb and STL’s offensive production explode. After a very painful we season we realize we’ve won the division with a 6-10 record. The NFL strips us of HFA in perpetuity and are forced to play all future road games at 10AM EST.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Jul 22, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
...I think he meant for FAs/trade, not a season projection, but cool
I don’t think we make the cap in your projection. At least, I don’t see how we do.
by Thomas Beekers on Jul 22, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
It wasn't quite explicit
but we blow it all on Gallery and Branch (Mebane ends up signing with STL for about 30% less than what we end up paying Branch).
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Jul 22, 2011 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Those two might amount to $20 mil together if you badly overpay
But by any measurement that still puts us below the required 99% expenditure.
by Thomas Beekers on Jul 22, 2011 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I was exaggerating for (attempted) humorous effect
I don’t have high expectations for FA because I don’t want to get my hopes crushed.
I expect we’ll sign Gallery, a couple of 2nd-tier DTs (letting Mebane walk) and some mediocre QB (Hass or TJ). We’ll find a way to spend the rest of the cap but won’t inspire.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Jul 22, 2011 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, realistically, how do we see FAs working out in Seattle?
Thought Gallery for a long time, but thinking now perhaps someone younger. Even so, wouldn’t be surprised to see him signed.
I think it’s 50-50 whether or not Leinert gets signed. All depends on what PC thinks of him.
I think Hass is gone – just a feeling that he passed up his offer to remain a Seahawk – but this could be wishful thinking.
I think Mebane is gone – he thinks he is worth more then PC/JS think he’s worth, and in this market, he may be right.
50-50 Leach gets signed. Both he and PC have indicated mutual interest.
I bet a bunch of UDFA gets signed – a lot of guys we have already discussed.
No way Asomugha comes to Seattle – too expensive, too old, and he is looking for a contender (I believe).
Jonathan Joseph is a dream – I give it 90-10 against.
No on Palmer (don't see it happening). No on Kolb (way too expensive).
No on Orton (too expensive for a mediocre talent).
No on Young (I don’t believe he has the necessary character to play for PC)
Who was that other USC WR who played after BMW left and came to Seattle for a try-out? Danny did a piece on him. Wouldn’t be surprised to see him in camp.
As far as I can tell, all the rumors about Tavaris Jackson are related to his relationship to Bevell. Hopefully that’s it. Unless PC is playing for draft position.
With this front office who knows.
I think we will see the same thing as last year. So I really dont even want to try to guess who. DT, QB, DB, OL. And hopefully a FB. DT now more than ever. What a weird off season.
I'm sticking with a tackle combination that put heat on the quarterback!
Those memories or big John Randle terrorizing the backfield are sooo good !
That's (of big John)
But what’s up with Tavaris Jackson as a Seahawk ?
He played in Minnesota. Bevell coached in Minnesota.
I think its just Clayton throwing a bunch of shit against the wall and seeing if any of it sticks.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Jul 22, 2011 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Turns out it's pretty sticky shit.
It’ll fall off the wall soon, though (I hope).
I've got ridiculous upside.
by Jacson Bevens on Jul 22, 2011 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I know I'm not the only one who clicked on the link to Steve-O and Snooki.
Oh, I was?
Offseason 2011: The purge of Ruskell's Boy Scouts continues.
by Wayward Llama on Jul 22, 2011 6:08 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Pete Carroll and John Schneider
have demonstrated a willingness to stand pat or settle for a more temporary lesser version at a position rather than reach and overspend for the best available non-fit (see QB, WR). I could see them doing that with the 3 tech position as well as QB this year.
If they went out and signed OG Davin Joseph, FB Vonta Leach, and DT/DE Alan Branch that would be an extremely successful off season that would go a long way toward changing the identity of the Seahawks from soft to hard.
My Offseason Plan
UDFA
Adam Froman, QB
Mario Fannin, RB/FB
Matangi Tonga, FB/DL
Ricardo Lockette, WR
Schuylar Oordt, TE
Kris O’Dowd, C
Stephen Schilling, OG
Adam Grant, OG
Michael Huey, OT
Cedric Thornton, DT
Sealver Siliga, DT
Ugo Chinasa, DE
Mario Harvey, LB
Michael Morgan, LB
Ryan Donahue, P
Trade for Carson Palmer (Deon Butler, 4th rd pick in 2012 & conditional pick for 2013)
FA
QB Vince Young
FB Vonta Leach
OT Tyler Polumbus
OG Davin Joseph
C Olin Kreutz
DT Barry Coefield
NT Brandon Mebane
NT/DE Alan Branch
DE Junior Siavii
LEO Vernon Gholston
LB Will Herring
SS/FS Tanard Jackson
SS Atari Bigby
CB Jonathon Joseph
PK Conor Barth
Release Stacy Andrews & Colin Cole
My stab at it.
1. Trade for Palmer.
2. Sign OG Gallery.
3. Sign DT Branch.
4. Sign CB Eric Wright.
5. Sign WR Malcolm Floyd.
UDFA’s:
OT Michael Huey Texas, LB Jeff Tarpinian Iowa, WR Ricardo Lockette Fort Valley St., DT Ian Williams Notre Dame, WR Andre Holmes Hillsdale, S Rajric Coleman W. Athletic, FB Matangi Tonga Houston.
Glenn Dorsey
He’s out of position in KC. Looked like a pure 3 tech coming out of LSU. That could be an option via trade.
Maybe Curry for Dorsey and a pick?
Two guys making more money than they’re worth being held back by poor scheme fits. Sounds like a fair swap to me, although I believe Dorsey’s contract is even more ridiculous than Curry’s.
seahawks are perfect
…for this off-season. we are ready for the revolving door of players that will come and go (as evidenced last year).
matt-will stay with a team option for next year
mebane-stays albeit over paid
gallery-signs because of tom cable
a corner-not sure how much we a willing to spend so i dont know who we will get
DL help- UDFA heavy here and possible a banch will fall into our laps
next year goes well and we get our QB of the future in the draft with matt to mentor him.
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