Warner VS Alexander: Speed vs Power
There is so much to look at in a running game. So much to consider in details, so much to see in terms of plays made that are so close to failure, but here, in this article, we will take away most of that detail and compare two great runners and how they specifically helped their running offenses succeed.
Now we will just compare the runners straight up with all the offensive line and stuff out of the way and I have four basic areas I looked at when judging them. Let's start with Curt Warner
1. Athleticism: Warner separates by a large margin here. His speed and agility are off the charts. I definitely admit Warner is more fun to watch because of this. He has one of the most wicked spin moves I have ever seen
2. Vision And Decision Making: Rarely gets caught in between, he sees a hole and attacks fast and his decisions are solid and quick and help extend good blocking and can help a broken play work by seeing and reacting to a bad block before it becomes a disaster.
3. One On One Vs The Defenders: Not really a dynamic tackle breaker he tended to take an angle and try to outrun a tackle. He doesn't have the power you'd typically want in short yardage but his lack of size was not a huge liability because of his quickness.
4. Play Making: His speed and vision allowed him to become a scary sight in the second level, it's typical to see defenders look frozen, as if unsure of which way to take Warner on and by the time they make the choice they look like they're throwing themselves at him trying to get in his way.
So now we bring in Shaun Alexander and I have to tell you, I found myself scratching my head a little with my own perceptions of this guy. Watching his game outside of being a fan, there are some things I really didn't appreciate and a few things I found aggravating. So let's break down his game.
1. Athleticism: Not very fast or agile, he's every bit his 4.55 combine number. He does a lot of his good work with unbelievable power. His ability to change direction in the second level without slowing down made him a nightmare to bring down for anyone. He has solid balance and great foot work that allows him to instantly change his momentum into short bursts of speed when he needs it.
2. Vision And Decision Making: Very solid football IQ, probably one of the most aware runners I've ever watched. He's always aware of his blockers and defenders, somehow always able to get an angle on a defender or setting up an angle so Mack Strong could get a better shot at a guy. Never late using good blocking and that allows him to turn shorter big gains into 40 and 88 yard runs.
3. One On One Vs The Defenders: Shaun shines here, it's the best part of his game. Though I'm sure some would disagree and that's where the perception comes from. When he breaks tackles it's not violent and therefore it's not memorable, but he often took them on in a way that allowed their own momentum to break the tackles for him. This is why you'd see guys slipping off of him like he had oil on his jersey, especially those helpless safeties in the redzone.
4. Play Making: Shaun was a little indecisive in both 2002 and 2003 logging 41 and 38 negative plays and most of the 38 in 2003 are on plays in which he gets himself caught up by trying to out think the flow of the defense. When plays break down he's not as good early as he eventually becomes though. When the offense is heaped on his shoulders in 2004 and 2005 and defenses start playing the run first Shaun puts up his best statistical years and his least numbers of negative plays.
Comparison And Conclusion:
Shaun and Curt are both high IQ guys, they don't miss big plays and always seem to be patient despite early failure or even mostly failing throughout a game. They both seem able to make big plays whenever they are presented by blocking. Warner and Alexander have opposing athletic skill sets, but both are physically dominating with their available tools. In one on one situations Shaun wins, but that doesn't mean Warner lacks ability he needs, just a component worth noting for the final analysis. In play making skill, Warner wins this battle because of Shaun's slow start to becoming good at it, though if we compared them during both their peak years it seems close to even.
So who the hell wins? In my own opinion that really depends on what you need. If you need a simple basic running game that depends on a runner to keep you on time Alexander is probably your best bet for a simple man to man blocking scheme. He's not really built for much else.
If you're looking for a guy that can provide a big spark and hit a few homeruns a game, Curt Warner is going to be your option. Warner's speed also presents a few more problems for the defense and so you can probably utilize toss plays more effectively. Also, he's probably the ideal fit for the flexibility of a zone blocking scheme, but in a man to man blocking scheme he would have some definite struggles.
So that wraps it up and I look forward to the debate and your questions. I tried to somewhat limit the scope of my article because, well, I'm a nerd for this stuff and I could go on and on forever. Also, please let me know if there is some historical topics you'd like me tackle with the Seahawks. I'm a little short on ideas. Thanks guys.
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At his peak, Shaun was a Judo Master
His hesitation move encouraged defenders to engage, and (again, at his peak) Shaun was quick enough to move out of the way to reach the second level. Losing Hutchinson hurt, but after 2005 Shaun was noticeably a step slower, and his hesitation move was more pronounced, so instead of slipping by tackles he was getting hit straight on (I believe this was apparent even before he broke his foot).
Warner was fun to watch
He had this amazing ability to cut and change directions when he was running. Defenders would frequently be left grasping at air. It’s too bad that spent his whole career running on the padded cement floor of the Kingdome. I wonder how much more productive he could have been if he hadn’t had that big knee injury…
Chris Warren had both
And gets my vote for best Seahawk running back of all time.
My feelings exactly, not sure why he never gets the respect he deserves
by Maverickngoose80 on Jul 5, 2011 5:14 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed 100%
Warren tied Alexander for YPC @ 4.3 (Warner 4.0), had more total yards than Warner, and played on some terrible, terrible teams. He was a 4th round pick versus the 3rd & 19th overall, and was the Seahawks all-time leading rusher (not Warner) until Shaun took that in ’05. His ’93-95 seasons were incredible.
Honestly, I have no idea why Warner is in the Ring of Honor and Warren isn’t, they both deserve a spot after contributing so much to the franchise. The fact that they got so much out of a 4th round pick and everyone seems to skim over him surprises the hell out of me, you would think he would rank as one of our top draft successes of all-time.
overall stats certainly support this argument, but not watching him game to game.
Wildly inconsistent, is a term I would use to describe him. Mythologies about his talents have erupted based on stats and excuses provided by a limited quarterback position. However watching him in a full season can make one’s brain bleed. His awareness is terrible, he had pretty horrendous games after break out performances. There was no level of consistent expectations that could be garnered from him.
I’m sure that the QB argument is a consideration, but he had a pretty decent line from the eye test of games I’ve watched and he never equaled the value of say a Ricky Williams or a Jamal Lewis, two runners who are a solid benchmark in running backs who had consistency despite huge limitations in their passing games.
by Joshua Kasparek on Jul 5, 2011 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd never thought about Curt in a ZBS
but just stopping a moment to imagine what he would have done in Gibbs’ system in Denver . . . he would have made DC’s eyes bleed, trying to scheme ways to stop him.
by The Ancient Mariner on Jul 4, 2011 8:39 PM PDT reply actions
Something that crosses my mind every so often
Would Shaun have been nearly as successful without our godlike left side?
It seems to me that with Jones and Hutch working our line side by side, any fair to middling RB could have racked up 1,000 yards and 15+ TD’s in 2005. Shaun did much better than that, but was it because our line play gave him the extra half second he needed to make his cuts? Or did his akido moves give the line the chance to set up blocks in the secondary?
Losing Hutch going into ‘06 was, for lack of a better term, devastating. It left Jones out there by his lonesome on a line that was suddenly aging, expensive, and degrading. But could a more aggressive RB have still made it work? I’d think you can still rack up ~4 yards a carry running in Jones’ wake, which is still above average. But Shaun, with his hesitation style of running, didn’t have that margin of error to work with anymore.
To sum it up, a large part of Shaun’s production came from an awesome O-line. And a good portion of that line’s production came from a RB whose style took advantage of what they gave it. A very symbiotic relationship that with any other running back, or any other line, would have generated a 1,000 yard, 15 TD season in ‘05 rather than, 1,600 or so yards and 27 TD’s. Very respectable Pro Bowl numbers, but not record-setting or MVP worthy.
by Clendy on Jul 4, 2011 8:51 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
That's the standard argument.
I agree with it to a point, but eventually you have to realize that Shaun was a special type of running back. His ability to break long gains was pretty amazing.
What bothered me about Shaun was his constant dilly-dallying in the backfield. It felt like we were in 2nd and 10 (or 12) constantly, and when your QB isn’t exactly Dan Marino in terms of arm strength, that’s a major issue.
It's definitely why I talked about play making in terms of Shaun coming to that particular skill late.
He got himself caught in between on a lot of his cutbacks or bouncing it outside. By ‘04 he has those plays handled better, just going with his first instincts instead of seeming to double check his choice. He becomes more aggressive on plays in which he takes the edge as well. it’s almost bi-polar when you compare this Alexander in ’04 and ’05 vs the one in ’02 and ’03. I understand much more where some of that negative sentiment came from.
by Joshua Kasparek on Jul 5, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you forget that Shaun was carrying the offense in both '04 and '05 Injuries and inconsistency at WR created that.
He was facing nine in the box a lot of that time. Shaun’s ability to beat one or two defenders in that particular setup on any run becomes one of the key reasons the blocking becomes so devastating. Defenses spied him a lot as well because of his ability on screens, this creates lots of options when using him in play action or on delay runs.
These are looks that aren’t there if say Mo Morris is the half-back. Though I think your right that some pretty decent numbers are to be expected behind this line. However, this doesn’t disqualify Alexander’s importance to that line specifically. Ironically if Warner were to run in Holmgren’s offense and Alexander’s in Knox’s they would both struggle from what I could see.
One of the things people forget about Alexander
was the crazy string of games where he had a run of 10+ yards in. He broke Barry Sanders record for that little known stat.
But the 06, 07 pillbug is hard to forget. It made the soft label stick.
by Harvey Manfrengenson on Jul 5, 2011 5:51 AM PDT reply actions
I don't know that I consider 06 that bad now looking back on it.
He played in 12 games had 1000 plus yards and 11 TDs which is still pretty decent. It was the reasoning most people used to assume that he would bounce back with a full season under his belt the next year.
Of course that didn’t happen, but you can’t really look at the 06 season as completely terrible because it wasn’t.
by Joshua Kasparek on Jul 5, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Preinjury no comparison
Prior to Curt Warner’s knee injury there is no comparison. Warner was an every down back. A solid receiver and a willing blocker. shauns catches dropped every year and was a liability as a blocker.

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