Seahawks vs Chargers: Preliminary Depth Chart Released By Team
by Danny Kelly on Aug 10, 2011 9:39 AM PDT
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PrintThe Seahawks released a early season depth chart yesterday via a Preseason Week One press release, and though it probably means nothing on several levels, it's fun to speculate. Big tip of the cap to Brandon Adams over at the excellent Seahawks blog 17Power for the initial find and article on it -- make sure to check out 17Power for that and more great Seahawks' coverage.
Just to start out, I don't think this depth chart is necessarily official and it's definitely set to change pretty much daily as we go forward. I wouldn't read too much into these ruminations, but it's more just a good conversation starter and a chance to look at the roster in toto. I've always wanted to say 'in toto' here but this is the first chance I had. Don't I sound like a lawyer?
Anyway, here is how the Seahawks set their roster depth. FIrst up, the offense:
• QB: Tarvaris Jackson, Charlie Whitehurst, Josh Portis
• FB: Michael Robinson, Ryan Travis, Dorson Boyce
• RB: Marshawn Lynch, Justin Forsett, Leon Washington, Chase Reynolds, Thomas Clayton
• LT: Russell Okung, Tyler Polumbus, Will Robinson
• LG: Robert Gallery, Paul McQuistan, Lemuel Jeanpierre
• C: Max Unger, Mike Gibson, Brent Osborne
• RG: John Moffitt, Paul Fanaika, Zach Hurd
• RT: James Carpenter, Breno Giacomini, Caz Piurowski
• TE: Zach Miller, John Carlson, Anthony McCoy, Dominique Byrd
• WR: Mike Williams, Ben Obomanu, Kris Durham, Isaiah Stanback, Chris Carter
• WR: Sidney Rice, Golden Tate, Doug Baldwin, Ricardo Lockette, Pat Williams
The first thing that you may notice here is the wide receiver group. Obviously, Mike Williams and Sidney Rice sit atop the depth chart at the two WR positions, but then as you go down you get a chance to see how the battle for that 5th and 6th spot is going. Right now, it looks like Ben Obomanu and Golden Tate are firmly entrenched in their spots, but past that you have Kris Durham, Doug Baldwin, Isaiah Stanback, Ricardo Lockette, Chris Carter, and Pat Williams all vying for a roster spot.
Not surprisingly, it looks like Doug Baldwin has the edge over Lockette, as Baldwin has had a very good camp (by all accounts) and the Seahawks really lack a true slot receiver. Kris Durham is ahead of Stanback and Carter, also not much of a surprise. While I'd love to see Stanback make the team, it's doubtful he'll leapfrog the Seahawks' 4th round draft choice in Durham, meaning he'll have to show the coaching staff more than Baldwin and Lockette are able to. Honestly, it's going to be tough, as both Baldwin and Lockette have impressed thus far.
Another position of note is the TE spot. Miller and Carlson are the top two, of course, but according to this depth chart Anthony McCoy still sits ahead of Dominique Byrd, despite Byrd's strong showing in camp and McCoy's case of the dropsies. Because Cameron Morrah is on the PUP, he doesn't appear in this group but I'd have to think he'd sit in front of Byrd and possibly McCoy too. Will be a positional group to watch tomorrow night, for sure.
The fullback group is of interest to me as well, as TE/FB Ryan Travis has been having a pretty decent camp, from what I've heard. As I mentioned before, he set all kinds of records at Division Two West Liberty State catching the ball (140+ yards receiving a game) so he satisfies my desire to have a pass-catching fullback a la Leonard Weaver or Marcel Reese. Since neither of those guys are available, I'm pulling for Travis to back up and complement Michael Robinson, though it's more likely he's a practice squad candidate. There's just too few spots, and I doubt we'll carry three RBs, two fullbacks, and four+ tight ends. Either way, it's not surprising he's ahead of Dorson Boyce, as Boyce has been pretty quiet in camp.
Past that, for me, I'm feeling pretty satisfied with the offensive line depth at the moment. They're young yes, but the way the depth chart sits, Polumbus, McQuiston, Gibson, Fanaika, and Giacomini are all serviceable - solid options. Polumbus and Gibson, in particular, are great to have as depth, and both played respectably in starting roles last season.
Color me impressed with what the Seahawks have done with their offense in only one year. It's a big improvement from what John Schneider and Pete Carroll inherited, and when I look at each position I don't feel a sinking feeling of despair, which is a nice change.
Defense
• LDE: Chris Clemons, Raheem Brock, Dexter Davis, A.J. Schable, Jameson Konz
• LDT: Alan Branch, Kentwan Balmer, Ryan Sims
• RDT: Brandon Mebane, Junior Siavii, Jay Alford, Pep Levingston
• RDE: Red Bryant, Jimmy Wilkerson, Pierre Allen
• OLB: Leroy Hill, Malcolm Smith, Neal Howey
• MLB: David Hawthorne, K.J. Wright, Michael Johnson
• OLB: Aaron Curry, Matt McCoy, Mike Morgan
• LCB: Marcus Trufant, Richard Sherman, Kennard Cox, Jesse Hoffman
• RCB: Walter Thurmond, Brandon Browner, Kelly Jennings, Byron Maxwell, Ron Parker, Marcus Brown
• SS: Kam Chancellor, Josh Pinkard, Jeron Johnson
• FS: Earl Thomas, Mark LeGree, Rickey Thenarse, Brett Johnson
The defense has some interesting player placements. Starting out at the LDE, or Leo position, you have Clemons, Brock and Davis, which is no surprise, and then past them sit AJ Schable and Jameson Konz. I wouldn't have guessed that Schable would be a Leo, but I kind of feel like he might just be a camp body anyway. Konz has more upside and athleticism (not to mention was drafted by the team last year), so I wouldn't be surprised to see him leapfrog from his position at the end of the line. In all reality though, he's a very long shot to make the team, unless he can do something spectacular on special teams. Perhaps they'll use him on punt blocking teams or as a gunner, but he'll need to find a niche.
At the other defensive end position, RDE, also known as the 5-tech, Big Red Bryant is, of course, the presumptive starter after playing well last season, but the surprise 2nd stringer is DE Jimmy Wilkerson. I think most people assumed he'd be playing, or competing at the Leo spot but if he can catch on as depth at the 5-tech he'll have a better chance of sticking. At 6'2, 270 it might be a fit, though he's a bit light for the hybrid look the Seahawks were playing last season.
The depth at RDE is pretty tenuous, at best. Behind Wilkerson is Pierre Allen, and again, sticking him at the 5-tech makes sense. Some people believe, perhaps correctly, that he doesn't really fit the defense we run here because he's a little undersized for a 5-tech in Bryant's mold, but he's not fast enough to be a Leo.
Apparently he's got something that they like though, as they pursued him pretty hard in rookie free agency. I did a piece on Allen here and predicted that he'd be playing the 5-tech role, so he'll be one player to watch closely on Thursday night. He doesn't get a lot of jump off the snap, but he's been known as an effective 2-gap containment player, and that's essentially what the team asks for in the RDE position. He's a little more fleet-afoot than Bryant as well, so perhaps could be used in some zone blitzes, utilizing his abilities in zone coverage while a linebacker or safety attempts to get to the passer. My guess is that Red Bryant isn't going to be doing much of this, so Allen could possibly find his niche there as a situational DE.
The LDT position, AKA the 3-tech, undertackle, is manned currently by Alan Branch, which comes as no surprise. Behind him, sits Kentwan Balmer. I think this is another position to watch -- from what I've heard, Balmer has gained some weight from last season so perhaps that will help him generate some push into the pocket. He didn't excel at the 5-tech spot last year, but perhaps he can harness some of the potential that got him drafted in the first round and do some good on the interior.
Ryan Sims sits behind Balmer on the depth chart at the LDT spot. Recently acquired in free agency, he's likely to be depth and if he surprises in the preseason, could overtake the backup role from Balmer.
The RDT, or nose tackle (overtackle) position looks good. Brandon Mebane moves back to his natural position and is backed up by dependable and respectable Junior Siavii. Siavii quietly had a pretty decent season last year before getting hurt, and from what I understand has gained about 25 pounds or so. He should be quality depth at nose.
Behind them sit Jay Alford and, surprisingly, Pep Levingston. Pep was supposed to have been depth at the 5-tech spot, from what I remember, but it looks like they've moved him to the interior on the depth chart anyway. They may just be trying it out, but either way it's something to pay attention to. I've heard some good reviews of Levingston's play in camp, indicating he's been getting good penetration on the d-line, so let's hope he can play multiple spots on the line and secure a roster spot.
Notable linebacker positions: K.J. Wright at the Mike. Looks weird because he's so tall, but he's good in zone coverage so might be a fit. Matt McCoy at the Sam? Seems pretty small at 6'0, 230, especially for this defense (compare that to Aaron Curry at 6'2, 255), but we'll see. Malcolm Smith at the weakside spot. That makes sense. The linebackers will be fun to watch tomorrow.
Cornerbacks: Starters are Trufant and Thurmond, not really a surprise. Backing them up are Browner and Sherman, not a huge surprise there either. Jennings sits above Maxwell on this depth chart, and Kennard Cox, Ron Parker, Marcus Brown, and Jesse Hoffman will be fighting and scratching for those final few spots. Should be interesting to see how that shakes out.
The safety position is looking strong. Chancellor, Thomas and LeGree are locks. Pinkard has a chance to inherit the Jordan Babineaux role. I'd say Jeron Johnson could have a chance of sticking if he can play special teams. Past that, it's anyone's guess how Thenarse and Brett Johnson make the roster.
Specialists
• K Jeff Reed, Brandon Coutu
• P Jon Ryan, John Gold
• H Jon Ryan, John Gold
• PR Leon Washington, Golden Tate, Justin Forsett
• KR Leon Washington, Golden Tate, Justin Forsett
• LS Clint Gresham, Zach Miller
Not much of a surprise here. Zach Miller is the backup long-snapper? I would have thought it was Jay Alford but whatever works.
Looks like Reed has the edge on Coutu but that could change.
Man, I can't wait for tomorrow!!
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So I guess stemming roughly from West Coast terminology & concepts
I guess that means Mike is the X, the split end, and Rice is the Z, the flanker. Flanker being more of a possession guy, which doesn’t mean he’s not a deep threat. Means he’s more reliable and can be open in shorter windows since more personnel figure to be on his side of the field.
X being the split end, given more space to work with. Neither have speed but can bring the ball down due to height & body control. Rice more reliable. I think this makes sense.
Head of catering.
Terminology confusion for me....
It has been many years since I played so maybe someone can help clarify the slot for me. From my understanding the slot and flanker are generally both able to go in motion as they are off the LoS and much harder to press. As Jacob sort of implied I think, old days the SE was the deep threat and flanker was a little more a possession guy. A slot is your 3rd WR once you remove a FB. A TE can turn into a 2nd SE when stretched out toward the sideline. Remove the TB and you have another slot for 4 WR sets.
My main question is terminology per team and what makes a good slot guy. Old school was a quick flanker type WR but that seems to have changed depending on the scheme and particular play right? Anyways what type of WR does PC prefer for his O scheme regarding a SE, FL, and a slot and 2nd slot?
I will add that I agree BMW is very slow but Rice running around a 4.5 has good wheels. Size is great for certain routes like a fade, curl and slant but quickness is IMHO more valuable vs zones. I guess a nice mix is best. I am curious with all the tools we have now how they will be used. I am a little bummed Butler is not healthy as he seemed to be just ready to break out and show his quickness.
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You seem to have both the terminology and the understanding of the roles down well enough.
Things have evolved & diverged, it seems, and I don’t know in what ways. But the ol’ basic WCO concepts, yeah, a quick flanker for that slant was key. All I can really tell with Carroll is that he likes his wideouts big. Like he likes his corners. And safeties. And linemen. The split end could be outright quick or have vertical speed even if his long legs took a while to get going, but just had to have some deep threat ability.
He apparently wants his slot guy to be a moves guy, which is common for slot guys. Tate. Otherwise he likes em big. Maybe it’s more nuanced than that but that’s all I know.
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by jacobstevens on Aug 10, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Thats what i thought but...
I have heard several people suggest a slot should be a bigger WR so in my eyes I guess it depends how you use them and scheme. Basically what I do not get is that is the difference between a slot and a flanker in PCs O? Both are off the line, so I guess it depends what routes are designated for what WR as to who fits it better. I would love someone more familar with PCs offensive scheme to discuss this matter. Thank you anyone….
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I would, too.
I wonder if there is a philosophical difference. It may be that the slot is simply another weapon, just a 3rd guy. I should have elaborated above, moves & size aren’t completely opposing ideals, but being off the line it’s a little easier to get pass press with moves than size and a lot of bigger guys can’t move as well.
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by jacobstevens on Aug 10, 2011 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think Carroll has given us any reason to
believe he wants a “moves guy” in the slot. I think Tate is what he has, and it’s a good spot to get him on the field, but he signed Stokley last year and apparently likes what Baldwin is doing there as well. I’m guessing someone other than Tate will end up getting a good portion of the plays at that spot, whether it’s Baldwin, Obo, or another “cleaner” route runner.
Stokley's a subtle moves guy.
He doesn’t just get open by running crisp routes, he cuts well & has an ability to shake guys off coverage to get open. Tate’s best skill is his moves with the ball in his hand.
Head of catering.
by jacobstevens on Aug 11, 2011 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions
He's a route technician
You won’t see Stokely shaking guys up and breaking long runs after the catch.
Because he's not fast.
What do you think it takes to be a route technician?
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by jacobstevens on Aug 12, 2011 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions
That said, I always hesitate to put much stock in depth charts.
I get the feeling that teams publish them with an eye for how the public perceives it rather than true accuracy.
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Agreed - I tried to caveat it enough to the point where ppl just have some fun with it.
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You are a master distributor of caveats.
And I guess that does let us have more fun with things.
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by jacobstevens on Aug 10, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Indeed. Speculation is a blogger's only friend.
Otherwise we’d have to get hired by a newspaper.
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Danny good article thank you!
It is nice having an idea who stand where. I cannot see Jennings not being in the rotation but we will see.
I think maybe the LDE and RDE were turned around. Red is on the strong side (left) and Clemons is alone vs the LT so a RDE.
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Maybe I am confused
on the left and right sides since I have seen several people call Clemons a LDE and Red a RDE… Has terminology changed about left and right on the defense? I see Tru is still a LCB….
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It hasn't changed
Clemons usually plays offensive left and Bryant the offensive right, so that’s how they’re listed. They shift if the offensive line shifts, so it’s just a bit of terminology, not where they actually play.
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 11, 2011 3:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Ok thanks but then how come
Trufant is listed as the LCB when from the offensive point of view he would be the RCB? What do you mean if the OL shifts? Are you talking about the TE?
I did not see all the games last year as i was out of the country til the end of November so pardon this question but, I thought Clemons was 98% off the LT or the TE if it went strong left.
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The TE, yes
Clemons plays the weak side, Bryant the strong side. It doesn’t really make sense to use left and right terminology for such players, yet they do.
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 11, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah that seemed weird to me too.
Are they being called out from the QBs perspective?
Clarification?
If anyone could clarify this I would appreciate it…. Thank you
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WT3 is playing?
Or that’s the whole point… it’s pointless.
Doubt he's playing. He hasn't practiced.
And yes, it’s more to just get a broad look at the roster.
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by Danny Kelly on Aug 10, 2011 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions
One Thing Noticed
Was the amount of versatile players that are there. Multiple positional depth. This was an issue in the past and I’m glad that PC/JS have made that move as well putting in people that can possibly start at multiple spots.
Good write up.
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Agree. There isn't as much "oh man, that position looks weak/shallow" as there was last year.
Good stuff.
Always up for some Twitter action @nandron. I only talk NW sports, though.
by Nick Andron on Aug 10, 2011 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Good write up
but saying “Polumbus, McQuiston, Gibson, Fanaika, and Giacomini are all serviceable – solid options” is a bit of a stretch.
While Polumbus might have developed into a serviceable back-up I can barely describe the rest of this group as questionable. The offensive line is THE question in my mind. Zero depth (considering Giacomini, Gibson, and Fanaika are practice squad pickups and McQuiston has been released by three teams after starting as a rookie).
Fair to doubt Fanaika and Giacomini, but Gibson played in 14, and started 8 games in 2010...
Including our two playoff games, and I thought he played well. I’m not saying that I’m hoping to see the others start, but having two players with starting experience and, in my opinion, ability, (Polumbus and Gibson) doesn’t qualify as “zero” depth. Just my opinion.
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by Danny Kelly on Aug 10, 2011 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Gibson is nice depth
I was surprised we cut him last year when he seems solid. I guess they were just trying to see what they had maybe.
Respect goes a long way....
Gibson would probably outperform Unger and Moffitt at this point.
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Aaron Curry seems taller than 6-2
I know that’s what he is listed as though. Also happy to see Jennings moved back on the CB depth chart, tired of seeing him get burned.
Looking down the depth chart, lots of new young guys, good thing IMO. Just hope they make the best of their opportunity.
I have a GREAT idea....
Let’s cut BOTH Coutu (no leg) AND Reed (just plain ass) and sign our old buddy John Kasey. The Panthers just released him, and, being the class guy that he is (ala, the anti-Jeff Reed), he wrote a letter thanking the Panther fans for 16 great years. He was good for us for 4 years before the Panthers took him in the expansion draft.
by Chief Knockahomer on Aug 10, 2011 11:00 AM PDT reply actions
20 years experience!
What could be the downside?
I think I know enough of hate/ To say that for destruction Rice/ Is also great/ And would suffice.
by shams on Aug 10, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
A lot of your arguments are just
“suck”, “ass”, “shit”, “hate”, “not good”
and you want to replace Force with a UDFA and two kickers with one who looks one kick away from retiring for his “class”?
by Stay Off the Flowers on Aug 10, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Somebody handle this guy for me.
I can’t. I’m one smartass retort away from being banned from an unauthorized Seattle Seahawks fanpost site. Then I’ll be discovered and have to produce my greencard.
by Chief Knockahomer on Aug 10, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Seems like an easy enough comment to handle anyway.
Coutu’s lack of leg matters a lot less what with the new kickoff rules and Reed is coming off a solid stint with the 9ers. Coutu is also pretty accurate at field goals. Kasey is very old.
The argument aside, your choice of words was less than appealing.
"It was a dream come true to be the quarterback in Seattle; Bigger and better than anything I could have dreamed of." -Matthew Hasselbeck
What...? I can't even...huh?
"It was a dream come true to be the quarterback in Seattle; Bigger and better than anything I could have dreamed of." -Matthew Hasselbeck
why at LB?
just curious michael of what you are thinking? LB Depth worries me, but I like the potential of Smith. I hope we stay injury free at LB.
Respect goes a long way....
I believe that we may have the best starting three
LB’s in the West, even though as you point out, our depth could be better.
by Michael Harp on Aug 10, 2011 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions
This group of linebackers (Curry, Heater, Hill)
is a big, strong, no-bullshit front that is going to be really tough to block. With the increased size up front (Branch, Red) these boys might have some big years. I think Heater might be a pro-bowler either this year or next.
I hope we don't (as in DO NOT) keep...
McQuistan or Sims (old and shitty)
Chris Carter (cause, well, I HATE that name)
Balmer (showed us nothing last year in his “second chance” – ala the anti-BMW)
Forsett (I know I’m gonna hear about this one from everybody, but I never thought he was any good and he would probably be taking away a position from Travis cause I don’t see us keeping 3 RBs and two FBs and Lynch, Washington, and Robinson are LOCKS)
Jennings (not sure what the FO was thinking when they chose to resign this guy)
Anthony McCoy or D Byrd (because I like Morrah and I don’t see us keeping more than 3 TEs – we need all available free roster slots for DEFENSE, since that will be our weak area; along the same line, put Portis on the practice squad – we can activate him if TJ or CW gets hurt, right? – so that he doesn’t take up a much needed depth slot for our defense)
by Chief Knockahomer on Aug 10, 2011 11:18 AM PDT reply actions
Forsett?
Care to explain why you dislike my favorite RB? lol
Jennings provides a guy who can stick with the quicker WRs out there so we can let ET do his thing.
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Little known fact...
Forsett also plays a great at strong safety and MLB.
was that in HS?
Forsett has heart so i could see that…. I love his instincts and heart as a RB 10x more than i ever liked Alexander. I guess thats not saying much since I never liked Alexander. i do give him credit for being good in the red zone which is also sort of why I disliked him.
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Balmer is More than Nothing
Versatile backup can also play end, where he started last season
in place of Red Bryant. Posted a career-high 43 tackles (28 solo)
Yes, he’s not Big Red, but give the guy SOME credit.
Guy has put on weight and is working towards getting stronger inside. He’s also VERY young. 24 years old!
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Balmer was horrible last year
While he was able to produce some pressure on a handful of plays, he was just awful at stopping the run (which was his main job). The only reason he saw a bunch of playing time was because Red/Cole/Bryant were all injured for a bunch of games.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Aug 10, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Which, again he's young and we're not looking at him as a starter
So that’s kind of okay unless there’s someone clearly better than him for depth, right?
I see him as a 3rd-stringer with upside
He’s marginally better than a replacement player and may not always suck, but you don’t want to see him taking too many snaps. If he’s starting, there’s something seriously wrong.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Aug 10, 2011 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
And he would vanish on running plays.
But as I posted above, he did do something, just not very well.
If he gets stronger, and competes in the system again this year, who knows?
It is strange to see a guy his size 6’5" 315 get manhandled at the point of attack though.
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Plus
just imagine havin another thing to rub in San Fran fans faces if he becomes a decent player wit Seattle
I don't mind if Forsett is gone
As long as the guy who replaces him is cheap and better. I have yet to see where that guy is in camp. Explain to me how Forsett is taking a spot from a superior player and I will get on board.
by Harvey Manfrengenson on Aug 10, 2011 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I think we'll see a few backs picked up off the waiver wire as cuts come in
Forsett will have to fend them off.
Isn't Portis gone if we try to put him on the PS?
I don’t think they signed him to a 3 year deal because they wanted to risk him on the PS.
Dont all UDFA's sign a 3 year deal?
well I guess it would depend how he plays in the pre-season. He was not Drafted remember… I cannot imagine a team playing the guy as he is a total project.
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He is a project
but damn do I wanna see what he can do
I hope we DO keep...
Baldwin (cause, like everybody else, I’m on the Baldwin Bandwagon)
Konz, Pinkard, Levingston, Sherman, Cox, Browner, Maxwell, and Brown (cause there’s a gem or two in that list and I don’t want to take a chance that we threw away one of the gems)
by Chief Knockahomer on Aug 10, 2011 11:27 AM PDT reply actions
Marcus Brown over Justin Forsett?
That’s crazy talk!
"It was a dream come true to be the quarterback in Seattle; Bigger and better than anything I could have dreamed of." -Matthew Hasselbeck
I look forwad to seeing more of the "Super Curry Mode" this year
and nobody is happier than me, that they moved Jennings back and gave Walter Thurmond the nod. But I’m not looking forward to watching Trufant again this season. However, he really only has a couple of rookies and a career practice squad CB behind him.
I’d really like to see home town boy Jesse Hoffman makes a huge splash in pre season. I’m tired of watching Trufant get burned.
by Moose Knuckles on Aug 10, 2011 11:29 AM PDT reply actions
I agree with you on Tru. Tru = False, in my opinion.
But when I suggested awhile ago to trade or cut his sorry ass, I was ripped up and down…so I let it go and resigned myself to the fact that I’d have to live with him and his overpaid, underperforming self.
by Chief Knockahomer on Aug 10, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I've read a few reports (pro and fan) that indicate Tru's having a good camp
Evidently stuck like glue to Rice yesterday, and disrupted some potential plays. His quality of play may improve by being able to practice against top receivers.
Resign = give up, retire, quit, concede
Re-sign = Sign again (referring to your first comment with cutting Forsett)
Not everything is resign, just FYI.
Sorry, it’s a pet peeve
by Stay Off the Flowers on Aug 10, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
I believe this was correctly used, however
in the sense of “resign” to mean “reconcile oneself to.”
by SmartAssCoug on Aug 10, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks, SmartAss.
I wasn’t gonna rub salt in Captain Grammar’s wound, though.
Surprised he didn’t call me on my butchering of the “Douggie” spelling, however, or my excessive and often inappropriate use of the parethetical phrase.
by Chief Knockahomer on Aug 10, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
As I said, I was referring to his comment about Forsett
Jennings (not sure what the FO was thinking when they chose to resign this guy)
I know he used it correctly the second time.
by Stay Off the Flowers on Aug 10, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
True, but you responded to this message rather than to the incorrect usage in the Jennings comment.
I know you knew the above was correctly used.
It’s been so commonly mis-used around here lately, I wanted to make sure others were aware that Chief did use it correctly in this instance to avoid even further confusion. Plus, Chief and I have gotten off to a bad start before, so I figured I should back him up at least this once. :)
by SmartAssCoug on Aug 10, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Who's there?
It’s Gramma
-Gramma who?
It’s Gramma whom
-whatever, Gramma nazi.
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by hazbro24 on Aug 10, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yes I know
But I apologized, so that absolves me from any criticism.
by Stay Off the Flowers on Aug 10, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
But it's NOT "Gramma whom"!!
I think I know enough of hate/ To say that for destruction Rice/ Is also great/ And would suffice.
I laughed and I'm stealing it.
I think I know enough of hate/ To say that for destruction Rice/ Is also great/ And would suffice.
I hear that
the resign being used instead of re-sign has bothered me for years as well… I have tried not to sweat the little stuff but damn it aint easy….. I think at the age of 40 we all should take an English refresher course with stuff like this who or whom, to or too, etc… I know there are a bunch more but not important.
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Um, excuse me
“Ain’t” is supposed to have an apostrophe there. That’s one of the more sacred words in my lexicon, please be careful about abusing it.
by Stay Off the Flowers on Aug 10, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
i still cannot believe
LOL and OMG are in the dictionary. What have we become?
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I'm alright with it.
Language evolves, and it is a Brave New World. It’s the misuse of established language that I find annoying. Sometimes I can barely surf the internet without my eyes bleeding from all the borderline illiteracy.
Literally...
is being figuratively butchered to death.
by Stay Off the Flowers on Aug 11, 2011 7:22 AM PDT up reply actions
I was open minded about cutting Tru
But we did not grab a FA CB…. Lets see how he does and the other guys in the mix. We do not have much experience there so we need to give him a shot. Just maybe his back still bothered him last year…..
Respect goes a long way....
Has a decent player ever been more hated by his own team's fans?
Aside from ’09, I think you can do a lot worse than Tru.
I hate to say it, but I think to make room for Dougige...
…and, by the way, he already overcame a HUGE prejudice for me, because every Doug I’ve ever known has been a COLLOSSAL PRICK…
is to cut ties with Butler (one way or the other). That makes me sad, because I love Butler, but I don’t see Baldwin making it with Butler still there.
by Chief Knockahomer on Aug 10, 2011 11:40 AM PDT reply actions
I'm glad Baldwin overcame the hurdle of your hatred of the name Doug.
I personally agree with you on Butler. Not because he doesn’t fit the system, but because he spells ‘Deon’ without the ‘i’. What a terrible football player.
by Stay Off the Flowers on Aug 11, 2011 7:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Butler
What’s up with Deon Butler? I know he’s still recovering, but is he in the plans for this season? Who gets cut when he comes back? I love our WR corps…
Butler starts on the PUP list
for the first 6 weeks and then see how it goes. A WR injury would open up a spot or just keep him there all season.
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Butler was put on the PUP prior to camp starting, he can come back at any time prior to the start of the regular season.
If he is still on the PUP at the start of the regular season he must sit, at minimum, the first 6 weeks.
I'm not against giving Trufant another shot, after all, he's given the Hawks some great years
But I don’t want to still see him and his $6 mil. smile on the field 8 games into the season if he’s not doing his job.
Pete Carroll’s very high on rookie CB Byron Maxwell. Says he’s really picked things up the last few days, he’s tough, he tackles well, he’s got a nose for the football, he’s really bright and very competitive.
Sounds like a pet project to me, hope it turns out well
by Moose Knuckles on Aug 10, 2011 11:55 AM PDT reply actions
Really?
I thought Sherman would be his PS project…. Where did you hear the Maxwell info? Anyone stepping up there is a good thing and even more so with WT out.
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Read it on an ESPN page an NFC West article
by Moose Knuckles on Aug 10, 2011 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
What about my Kasey idea?
Given the disgustingness of the Reed signing..
I half expected to win some kind of prize for this brilliant idea.
But…instead…nothing. Not a single post congratulating me on my brilliance. (I am joking, right here. No need for posts telling me what an ass I am…and you know who you are out there). Seriously, though. I DO like this idea alot. Maybe Mr. Subliminal can talk to Pete and John about it.
by Chief Knockahomer on Aug 10, 2011 11:55 AM PDT reply actions
Kasey huh?
Since Kickers can kick til they are like my age why not throw him in the mix and see who ends up on top… It seems every year during the season a few kickers have a bad game or 2 and they have a massive try out. I sort of expected us to do that this pre-season after Mare left….
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There is a very touching article on his classiness
that was posted on the Panthers’ blog. Panthers fans, in return, sound generally classy in return.
by Chief Knockahomer on Aug 10, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
That was from the Department of Redundancy Department
as Stuart “I Dress Like a Pimp” Scott would say.
by Chief Knockahomer on Aug 10, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Kasey
seemed like a class guy when he was here. With the way some fans treated Matt and Lofa I am not sure we deserve a classy guy….. I guess everyone has their share of no-class fans huh? Does kasey have any leg strength left for 50 yard FGs? Kickoffs are not as important with the change…
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I don't know. I don't have the stats in front of me.
I don’t DO the stats thing anymore. Reformed baseball fan, you see. Baseball Fans Anonymous tells me you never really cured, however. Just try to take it 1.675 day at a time…
But I know he has a better leg than Coutu. And do I really need to explain everything that was wrong about the Reed signing in the first place? This just makes sense.
I kind of agree with you about Matt and Lofa…except you gotta remember that, when it comes right down to it, they CHOSE to leave. Granted, it sounds like we set money limits on them, but they both didn’t want to stay on a great organization (although, admittedly, not on a great team) for MONEY. That’s not very classy on their part, either, given the fact that both of them could buy and sell little regular-job Joes such as myself. What’s a few million less to stay to two people who could already buy their own NFL team with the money they’ve made over the years…assuming they didn’t already blow it all on wine, women, and, in Matt’s case hair regrowth tonic?
by Chief Knockahomer on Aug 10, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I was talking about
the fans who have said they both suck without really knowing what was going on. But then again are they true fans? I understand moving on but i feel they still deserve respect.
I am stoked for the game and see how the guys battling for spots do….
Respect goes a long way....
It's not for any of us to decide the merit of another's fanhood.
Classiness is irrelevent here. If Jeff Reed still has ability and can contribute to the team, I’m glad he’s here.
Hey, MT
I just meant that Kasey has the same ability…without the baggage.
by Chief Knockahomer on Aug 10, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I was little afraid the reports he doesn't have the leg strangth are true
But he did make 18 field goals from 40+ last year. It’s not a bad idea, honestly, I just doubt the FO cares enough about the kicking situation to get another one if the current ones are performing. It’s not really a spot where chemistry is a big priority.
Why is a player's 'class' suddenly the only reason for signing them?
Are you Tim Ruskell in disguise?
by Stay Off the Flowers on Aug 10, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he was just saying...
that kasey had class not saying anything more….
Respect goes a long way....
This is what he said further up in the post
Let’s cut BOTH Coutu (no leg) AND Reed (just plain ass) and sign our old buddy John Kasey. The Panthers just released him, and, being the class guy that he is (ala, the anti-Jeff Reed), he wrote a letter thanking the Panther fans for 16 great years. He was good for us for 4 years before the Panthers took him in the expansion draft.
by Stay Off the Flowers on Aug 10, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
A little jest
I think it has a half joke…. I am pretty sure we all agree that the best players available should be on the team as long as we are not having a Michael Vick discussion.
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He keeps defending the signing of Kasey though
I think he’s serious. Either way, it’s way too much thread to be talking about a kicker. I’m going to leave this discussion at the numbers I presented below and stop ‘antagonizing’ Chief.
by Stay Off the Flowers on Aug 10, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
We gotta let go of that.
I’m sure Rams fans were able to when they got the kicker that put a couple game winners against them through the uprights. Living well is the best revenge.
by Stay Off the Flowers on Aug 11, 2011 7:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Thanks for defending me against Flowerchild, Mangolover.
But no, I also meant that Reed has no class. I was not aware that this was not common knowledge to everybody…including Jeff Reed.
by Chief Knockahomer on Aug 10, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
You're kind of aggressive
I don’t really care, but if we look at who will help the team more, I’d say a classless kicker with some years left in the league is higher on the list than a good guy who played with us when I was 6 years old (I just graduated college).
by Stay Off the Flowers on Aug 10, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
thanks for making me
feel old dude! It’s all good fellas we want the best players possible.
Respect goes a long way....
Sorry man
I’m sure you still have a better kicking leg than I do.
by Stay Off the Flowers on Aug 10, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
No way bro
I was the worst of the worst as a Kicker. once in practice i tried an XP and nailed my center right in the bum as well as almost breaking my holders finger. never was allowed to try again….
I could punt a little and I mean a little. I once had a 70 yard punt in a game (age 13 maybe?) no lie. About 50 yards was after it hit the ground. Total luck….
Punting/Kicking not my thang unless you want me to teach soemone what not to do…
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I like peace bro!
In these discussions sometimes it seems there are misunderstandings and things get taken wrong. I guess that is bound to happen when we all like and dislike certain players. I am certainly not perfect. You both make good valid points and we all want our team to succeed…. I am trying to be politically correct which is new for me hehe
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John Kasey is the Panthers third all-time scoring leader
and, I believe, was our scoring leader while with us. Reed, on the other hand, is the all-time leader in public drunkenness, paper towel abuse, and several other categories for which his mother must be very proud.
by Chief Knockahomer on Aug 10, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Reed is the Steelers 2nd all-time scoring leader (they've been around longer
Also….
Field Goals Made 213
Field Goals Attempted 259
Field Goal % 82.2%
Long Field Goal 53 (twice)
by Stay Off the Flowers on Aug 10, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Reed is also 10 years younger (32 vs. 42)
But you’re right, he leads the league in classlessness, so should be cut.
by Stay Off the Flowers on Aug 10, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Steelers cut him
He got too drunk and didn’t fit their prick’ish ‘workmanship’ attitude. Anti-Steeler? I dunno, I’m grasping at straws – but I just don’t care about a kicker as long as he doesn’t cost us the game. WE SHOULD NOT BE WORKING OUR ASSES OFF FOR A KICKER TO MISS, I NEED A DIRTBAG.
by Stay Off the Flowers on Aug 11, 2011 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Dude, they're an expansion team.
It’s not like he’s third all time for the Packers or Giants. He’s been there as long as they’ve existed.
70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.
Haha I wonder who beat Kasey out?
Steve Smith? Mushin Muhammad? Kerry Collins (drunk)?
Nick Goings?
by Stay Off the Flowers on Aug 10, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
The Seahawks didn't want to keep Lofa at his salary
for MONEY. Does that make the Seahawks classless? Therefore we deserve Reed.
by Stay Off the Flowers on Aug 10, 2011 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
out of context friend
I am sorry I brought up matt and lofa but i did not mean it in that manner. We all want the best players possible. I was referring to a few loudmouth fans who slammed Matt and lofa whenever they could. I was joking about the class thing after he mentioned Kasey.
back on track- who are we most excited to see play this thursday?
For me I say Tavaris, Rice and the DBs
Respect goes a long way....
I kinda want to see what ALL the young guys on defense can do.
I am really worried we are gonna get torched by a bunch of teams again.
by Chief Knockahomer on Aug 10, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think we'll see much TJ and Rice
I want to see our aggressive D. Q/PM brought in the personnel to run the press coverage, and hopefully that’s being instilled.
by Stay Off the Flowers on Aug 10, 2011 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree
but I am still excited to see them connect a couple plays maybe. tate is a good one also…
Respect goes a long way....
Carroll has been talking up Portis
So I’m curious to see him in action. Some of the new receivers as well…Lockette, Durham…I want to see what they may be bringing to the table.
Portis- yessss
There is a chance he shows enough to just let Tavaris be the QB in 2012 and let this guy take over in 2013. Ya we need to keep an eye on this guy. Perfect PS guy…
Respect goes a long way....
You beat me
Thats actually who i was thinking of…. there were 3 of them and only 2 Zendejas right?
Respect goes a long way....
Only kicker, also only Montanan, in the HOF.
Head of catering.
by jacobstevens on Aug 10, 2011 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
So Joe Montana doesn't count?
He’s more Montanan than Montana.
70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.
At least he's not our starting QB
It would be pretty embarrassing if Seahawks fans (or sports journalists) got his name wrong.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Aug 11, 2011 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm super stoked to see Browner at second string.
Since signing him I’ve had very, very high hopes for his not only making the squad but kicking some serious ass.
Earl Thomas + Mark Legree = Earl Gree. A new flavor of safety coming to you on Sunday's this Fall. They're gonna wake you up!
by Bobby Cink on Aug 10, 2011 12:25 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
I've been high on him as well
Wanna see him jam a tiny receiver into the second row.
"(Mark LeGree) corners the other team's quarterback before games and makes him apologize for being born".
What's not to like about Jeff Reed?
I’m expecting {{BIG}} things from that zany little turd. Like “public urination” and overall nonsensical over-the-top “drunken debauchery.”
I can’t wait until he shows us some of the inebriated, good-time drunkeness only Jeff Reed can bring to the table
Yeah
I am kind of jealous of Colts fans who have a punter that gets so hammered he goes swimming in an aquaduct. That was effing hilarious.
by Stay Off the Flowers on Aug 10, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
The photo of this article does not match the caption
It looks to me like Tate does a good job of getting a hand on a sure pick by Browner who is in perfect position. Just thinking out loud….
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Correct
We don’t write the captions though, AP/Getty provides them with the photos.
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 11, 2011 3:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Right on
I thought it was from elsewhere…. just a little misleading huh?
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The length of that Kasey subthread above is hilarious to me for some reason.
by jhmg16 on Aug 10, 2011 2:36 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
ZOMG via Oxford Dictionary:
abbreviation
informal
(used especially on electronic message boards as a sarcastic comment on an inexperienced or overenthusiastic poster) oh my God!:
ZOMG! ! I finally managed to reformat the file
the airport was hot and big, but there was really nothing that made me stop and think ZOMG FOREIGN COUNTRY!
Origin:
early 21st century: perhaps in reference to fast or careless typing of OMG, during the course of which the shift key is missed and the ‘z’ key pressed instead.
WHAT IS THIS WORLD COMING TO?
Bitches. Aussie Homer Looming.
"Beware challenger
Thou hath angered Hawku fan
COME AT ME THOU FOOL"
I challenge any NFL team to be real men
by RagingAlot on Aug 10, 2011 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just re-sign yourself to the fact that nobody is going to get things right anymore.
“I really hope we resign this player”
I feel you in pain.
by Stay Off the Flowers on Aug 11, 2011 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I saw a few tweets today that Charlie has been awful in camp the last few days.
Apparently Doug Farrar said he could miss the 53-man at this point. Anyone hear anything about that and/or able to expand? Very worrisome.
Interesting news..
I was very against the CW trade but we do not a decent backup QB. On the Psych game of declaring Tavaris the starter, I understand it helps his confidence and that is needed. However, looking at the other side I could see it wrecking Charlie. As long as Tavaris does not get injured it was the right decision in my eyes.
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Makes total sense.
Portis’ long stint tomorrow is an audition for backup QB.
I think I know enough of hate/ To say that for destruction Rice/ Is also great/ And would suffice.
Portis is the player I'm most looking forward to watching tomorrow
There is something kind of awesome about the notion that the Seahawks’ QB of the future is already on the team.
Every camp photo I've seen of him...
…makes me think he doesn’t have the “It” factor that a QB needs. He just doesn’t look like a leader, dunno, maybe his shoulder pads are just too big.
The dude looks like he genuinely hates football
Like his Dad made him play in high school and never let him quit, so he just went with it and stumbled into somehow having a football career.
That said, his poise and play in Week 17 told me enough about him to think he can be a successful QB in the right environment.
I think he's got the tools...
…I just wish he’d be a little more aggressive about his role on the team.
Me too. I completely agree.
But he’s been a career backup. When has he had a real opportunity to be The Guy? I think if PC named him the Week 1 starter at the start of training camp, we’d be seeing what CW is really made of. Instead, he’s been sitting behind a brand new #1 QB on the depth chart without being given the chance to compete for the role.
There are a lot of alpha male, rah-rah starting QBs out there who wouldn’t be so rah-rah if they had traveled the same path that Charlie has through the NFL.
Just sayin’.
There are a bunch of those
Then there’s Rodgers (Favre), Warner (fucking grocery store), Schaub (Vick), and our very own Hass (Favre/Dilfer).
It ends up being on who the QB is, no matter the path they take. Charlie doesn’t have it.
by Stay Off the Flowers on Aug 11, 2011 7:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Wait, but listing those guys as examples kind of makes my point for me.
Eventually those guys got a shot. Charlie hasn’t yet.
I feel like Charlie missed his chance...
…to make this his team when Force had to be the one to get the workouts going. I would have been showing up at Revel’s house in the middle of the night looking for a playbook instead of hanging out at home playing catch with Durham. He should have made them take the job from him rather than waiting and hoping for it to be given.
But right now I’ve got a massive steel blue rager for Portis as QBOF. (not exactly rational, but words like “confident” and phrases like “command of the huddle” really get me going.)
Yep - Charlie had his chance
But he showed during the lockout, he still lacks leadership skills.
When your potential starting quarterback hangs out clear across the other side of the country and fails to take the initiative role to come back into town and help his teammates workout and get ready for the season, then your GM goes out and hires a guy your coach tags as starter ahead of you – that’s never a good sign.
by Moose Knuckles on Aug 11, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Can someone tell me why I should be more excited about Portis
Than I was about the Charlie Fryes of our dark past? I’m not writing this in the cynical font, I’m genuinely curious. Usually, I read the phrase “project QB” and I basically tune out. What should I be watching for tomorrow night?
Portis' upside is higher, at least as all physical tools would project.
I think I know enough of hate/ To say that for destruction Rice/ Is also great/ And would suffice.
Physical talent maybe?
He is more raw but has all the talent (strong arm, good build, and good wheels) in the world and not being a starter until recently at a small school likely has not received the best coaching.
Respect goes a long way....
Of interest to me
Is Gibson being listed at C, Pinkard at SS and Pep at the 3-tech. Pierre Allen is indeed a 5-tech, which was discussed following my preliminary look. I’m guessing the same as the site in a lot of ways.
Malcolm Smith has always been a Will, and similarly Matt McCoy’s natural position is the Sam. He won’t be making the team tho
Formerly Known As Vasilii
No McCoy?
Barring someone else being brought in, I think he easily makes the top 6 LB’s. I think preseason games will only help him too based on how well he played last preseason.
I doubt it
Unless we really worry about depth or need him in special teams. We ran with only 5 LBs last year. Might be different with more rookies in and no versatile depth like Herring.
Formerly Known As Vasilii
by Thomas Beekers on Aug 11, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
LBs and FBs are traditionally great ST guys
it is just in their make-up. That is why I think we keep only 9 DBs. Last year we started with Curry, Lofa, Hawthorne, Hill, Herring, McCoy and D, Davis right? Hill went on the IR right away. I consider Davis sort of a half/half guy rather than a real DE. That is one nice thing about PCs style having guys who can play different roles. In a pinch Kam could be used as a WIL. The main difference this year is we do not have an all around back-up LB like Herring so expect to keep 6 not 5 IMHO. That is without D. Davis counting as a LB
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