Five Noteworthy Performances in Preseason Week 1 - Offense
As meaningless as the final scores are for preseason games, these games matter a lot for individual players, whether it be drafted rookies with something to prove or fringe players trying to make the team. So here are five performances I felt were noteworthy from our offense. Noteworthy doesn't mean it's positive, just that they stood out to me.
John Moffitt: It was interesting to watch both Moffitt and James Carpenter play. I felt Moffitt played better than James Carpenter, who struggled a bit in pass protection (nearly giving up sacks while protecting Tarvaris, and giving up a third-quarter sack when being pushed back by San Diego standout Darryl Gamble, which was negated by a penalty). Moffitt moved really well as a run-blocker, relentlessly blocking through and moving from block to block to keep it moving. He held the point of attack as a pass-blocker, using his hands really well. The biggest but not surprising problem from the game was apparent confusion about his assignments, as several times he was needlessly trying to double-block or looking unsure in space. A matter of more time to learn.
Leon Washington: Thomas Clayton was used early and often but aside from one well-blocked 25-yard run he did very little with the opportunity. Pete was anxious to see how Washington would look on the field now that he's fully recovered and, well, he easily looked like our best running back out there. 8 rushes for 23 yards doesn't make for an impressive statline, but his skillset was on full display on several runs, Washington hitting the smallest hole decisively and fast for significant gains. With the kickoff rules being what they are, we should expect to see a lot more from a healthy Washington.
Doug Baldwin: With five of our WRs out, Golden Tate and Isaiah Stanback started, but Doug Baldwin was right behind them. He made four catches on four targets for 29 yards, and was in on kick coverage teams, and as the punt returner twice and kick returner once, returning the punts for 23 yards and the kickoff following the TD return against us for 41 yards. He showed his skills throughout the game, particularly in the scoring drive in the 3rd quarter, which opened with back-to-back passes to Baldwin, for 8 and 6 yards. He looks like he could be the real deal as a slot receiver, a good runner with good sudden moves to get separation, and is definitely an UDFA worth keeping an eye on.
Josh Portis: Portis' first drive started at the 41 thanks to Baldwin's aforementioned solid return, and he played horribly. His first three throws, Portis overthrew Chris Carter badly, underthrew Ricardo Lockette and then put another ball out of reach of Pat Williams. He scrambled on 4th and 3 to close his second drive, turning the ball over on downs after a 2 yard run.
Going into his third drive, he played out of the shotgun less, the Seahawks instead giving him a nice 3-step drop and quick out to get him comfortable. This resulted in three nice passes for 8, 23 and 16 yards to Carter, Byrd and Lockett. The 23-yard pass on a deep cross from Byrd particularly looked good, a well-executed play-action by Portis. He would target Anthony McCoy three more times to close the drive. The first went incomplete, but the second saw nice progression reading by Portis, finding his first read incomplete he went to McCoy on the cross for 16 yards on 3rd and 6. The final one saw Portis keeping the play alive while also keeping his eyes downfield, and then throwing across his chest to a wide-open McCoy in the back of the endzone. Portis showed surprising poise as a 3-step-drop, pocket passer, and while he definitely looked too uneven over the entirety of the game (including limited pre-snap reading, explained by lack of experience) to anoint him as anything, he did flash the skills that made us pick him up as an UDFA.
Tyler Polumbus: Polumbus didn't look ready when he came in to replace an injured Russell Okung, and immediately gave up a sack. He stayed in to protect Charlie Whitehurst (as did Moffitt and Carpenter, well into the 3rd), and steadily improved as the game went on. And don't think he was just defending against scrubs, the Chargers kept some names in there, particularly with Polumbus and Robert Gallery lining up opposite 1st-round DE Corey Liuget, and between the two of them they handled him well. He had a holding penalty at an unfortunate moment in the 2nd quarter, but honestly he held up well down the line. I still like him better as a guard than as a tackle, and wouldn't like to see him as our starting LT, but he didn't play as badly as his first snaps would indicate.
Speaking of Liuget, he and Darryl Gamble flashed at the end of the second quarter with two back-to-back tackle for losses on Leon Washington (resulting in a 4th-19 that was negated by a holding penalty), but rewatching it now, the first ToF was caused by a whiffed block by John Carlson, and the second by two bad blocks on both players by Carlson and Anthony McCoy. Need to block better than that to keep Cable happy. Carlson, with bad blocks and one reception on three targets, had a pretty bad game.
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Not trying to be hyperbolic or irrational here.
It just seems that we are often noting the plays Carlson does poorly much more often than the plays he excells at. I don’t have the knowledge & understanding to make an educated determination here, but it appears as if he is just not cutting it at blocking; at all. I can’t recall his catching being impressive either.
Is he really any good, or is he becomming average at best? Perhaps, I’m much too early to be considering this, as the system is new and it’s early. I just can’t recall anything really positive about his play since Holmgren. Help me w/ perspective here…
He was drafted primarily as a receiving TE.
He has average speed for his size but gets off the line quick. JC displays above average hands but uses his body well to shield off smaller defenders. Route running is kind of where he stands out. He’s usually able to find the soft spot in the zone. The Hawks kept Carlson in to block on many occasions last year, therefore diminishing his roll in the passing game.
Thanks
That is what I’ve understood as his strengths and how he’s been used. Starting to wonder if the blocking issues we’ve seen are a real problem for him and the scheme. Suppose we will see and learn more as the season unfolds.
I think we'll see him bumped to wide receiver on the Y spot quite a bit
Miller and McCoy should be used to block more than Carlson.
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 14, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Interesting thought
If the WR talent we have is as good and deep as we suspect; it would seem this change would make it even more crowded. Thanks for the responses.
That's why there's been some talk of trading Obomanu.
Love the guy, but he’s slightly redundant with Rice and Beamer and Durham on the roster, and if Baldwin and Stanbeck stick then someone else has to go….would rather get something for Obo (or Carlson) than cut a youngster that proves worthy of sticking around.
He's got a varied skillset, PC likes that
But yeah, it’s hard to see
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 14, 2011 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Stanback just sat around camp today.
He doesn’t seem to be injured he just didn’t play
I soooo wanted him to catch that CJ pass late in the 2nd quarter.
Both for the Husky connection and for his versatility. It was a tough pass to handle but he could have gotten it. Sadly, I don’t think he’s got a route to this team either.
by Johnny Slick on Aug 15, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Isn't it time to ditch the "He was held in to block." refrain?
His rookie year was spent on team with no running game who’s top 6 WRs were injured, he was the only target so he got a lot of catches. We all fell for those inflated numbers and projected him as the next Jason Witten or Dallas Clark. He’s not at their level and he never will be. “He was held in to block” is just an excuse at this point, he also caught a really low % of the balls that came his way.
He needs to get better at blocking or he needs to turn into a draft pick.
We all do this, with almost everyone.
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by Brandon8 on Aug 14, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Because our team is bad.
Head of catering.
by jacobstevens on Aug 15, 2011 7:45 AM PDT up reply actions
I didn't particularly focus on Carlson so it was just a random observation
If someone did watch him closely feel free to make notes.
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 14, 2011 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Thanks for putting some of these offensive performances in perspective.
Of course it’s much easier for us casual fans who have only watched the game once on TV to notice the obvious things – Baldwin and Portis, for example, while not really appreciating the play of the line.
I also thought Washington looked really good, and if he plays more, he breaks at least one, maybe two, for big gains.
Nice to hear about Polumbus – not ideal, but something that can be worked with, anyway.
How about Charlie though!?
I felt he looked way better than he did last year. His whole disposition in the pocket was far more calm, he waited for the receivers to get open. I also recall on many occasions seeing him go through his reads rather than staring down a receiver like he used to.
by RawkEmHawkEmBirdbots on Aug 14, 2011 10:07 AM PDT reply actions
Honestly I didn't think the gap was that big
I watched a lot of Charlie W17 vs the Rams again to do my piece (not so much vs the Giants), and I think he played very similarly. He did look slightly better in pocket poise but that might have more to do with Bates designing more rollouts, so he isn’t supposed to hold in the pocket. Bevell seems more of a 3-step drop guy, but that might be more to do with the vanilla offense.
He did seem better on his reads but I don’t want to draw too many conclusions on that, you can’t really watch QB eye discipline from most TV angles.
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 14, 2011 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
I'll give him the benefit of the down considering his personnel
but he was way too check down happy for my liking. I’ll be watching for him to start going for it as the preseason continues.
Washington has definitely given us some RB depth.
Do you think he takes the 3rd down back duties from Forsett?
Yes
And I think we’ll see him used creatively, lining up as a wideout and the like.
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 14, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
I think that he will
How can he not? If we were to trade one right now – I suspect most teams would want him over Justin; given he is again healthy. I can’t imagine him being 3rd on the depth chart to Forsett given his play maaking ability. I don’t mean to suggest Justin isn’t valuable to us; I just can’t see us putting Justin ahead of him on the depth chart now that he is fully recovered.
I'm certain Forsett will get more carries (not touches) than Leon.
They both have similar skill sets with Leon being faster/more explosive & Forsett having better hole/field vision. It’s tough to argue with JForce’s 5 YPC.
They're not very similar
Force is much more of a bruiser in a small body while Leon is a speedster in a small body. Both have good vision and size to hit a hole hard but Leon will burst through it while Force needs a lot more space to get up to full speed.
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 14, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Forsett is a pretty darn good pass blocker
Which makes him quite valuable on 3rd downs
by southern oregon on Aug 14, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know that Leon is not
I’m not saying he is, I just don’t know. Anyone?
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 14, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
I remember at least one snap where he stuck to his man like glue in the backfield
(from this latest game).
"It was a dream come true to be the quarterback in Seattle; Bigger and better than anything I could have dreamed of." -Matthew Hasselbeck
Polumbus played fairly well later on?
Why do I have only bad memories of him?
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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Aug 14, 2011 10:46 AM PDT reply actions
Dunno. Cite some examples of him blowing his assignment
He drew a holding penalty which got a lot more boos from the game thread but honestly he played like I remembered him to play. Looked better in pass pro than Carpenter did.
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 14, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
See I had the exact opposite reaction to Polumbus and Carpenter
I felt like Carpenter played pretty well and the tandem of he and Moffitt kept the pocket clean on their side, except for blitzes where they missed assignments (I also agree that is inexperience). I don’t think Polumbus played badly but if you look at the first two post-Okung series I think the left side of the pocket was collapsing faster than the right. Still, that being said I would say the line overall was a huge plus, there were two seperate plays in the first quarter where Jackson had 5+ seconds in the pocket, something that has been lacking in recent years. I saw the play where Gamble got under Carpenter, but Polumbus let two rushes get around him in the first before he got his feet under him. I think both played OK but had a better reaction to Carpenter (albeit in an easier position to play).
Those first two plays are skewing a lot of perspectives
You see an LT come in not ready and getting beat and you automatically go to “man he’s bad” and don’t watch him anymore. I didn’t watch him for the rest of the game so I came out with the same impression. Only rewatching the entire game, mostly for Moffitt and Carpenter, did it stand out to me that Polumbus performed better than Carpenter over the entirety of the game.
Carpenter definitely isn’t used to his position either, which is a good reason to keep him there considering it’s where his future is.
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 14, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I think fans are reacting to how Tarvaris reacted.
His happy feet got happier when Okung went out. Which drew more attention to Polumbus.
by Harvey Manfrengenson on Aug 15, 2011 5:43 AM PDT up reply actions
One other question...
Is Polumbus considered the long-term solution at LT if Okung becomes unable to play for long periods of time?
it's just that I really do just remember nothing good about him
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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Aug 14, 2011 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Whitehurst
Outplayed Jackson (after two weeks of practice in an offense Jackson’s been working in for five years), but gets no love from Beekers. I can already see how this’ll shape up: CW beats out TJ for the starting job, but no matter how well he does, it’ll be PortisPortisPortis all the time. Everybody loves the new guy. Somebody remind me again how the Hawks got into the playoffs…
Dude, Beeks has been trying to *slow* the Portis hype-train.
You know, before it picks up too much speed and cuts off the legs of little Timmy, tied to the tracks.
Anyway your comment seems a shade cynical.
I think I know enough of hate/ To say that for destruction Rice/ Is also great/ And would suffice.
Sorry about the cynicism
I’m a 56-year-old lifelong Democrat; it’s hard to be anything but cynical. Guess it’s carried over into my general worldview.
by Tigrrrl on Aug 14, 2011 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm terribly jaded myself.
Be careful even mentioning politics, they are strict about that here. And more and more I think they are right to be. Cheers.
I think I know enough of hate/ To say that for destruction Rice/ Is also great/ And would suffice.
Whitehurst played like I've seen him play before, or a bit better than that, I didn't think he was a noteworthy standout
Portis was because he performed better than you would expect from an UDFA, just like Baldwin and J Johnson did.
I’ve stated my view on Tarvaris and Whitehurst a lot, as in I don’t see them as very far apart skill-wise or level-of-play wise, T-Jax just has an advantage in knowing the playbook. Neither are very interesting QB prospects, I think they’re both as good as they’re going to get, and look pretty limited but well-suited to our system, which is good for our system. Picking up Tarvaris when you already have Charlie really seems primarily motivated by the shortened off-season, or at least I’d speculate so. I don’t think T-Jax’ job is anywhere as safe as they’re trying to publicly project, and Whitehurst might well be the best QB for the now simply because he seems to have better pocket presence than Tarvaris.
I’m still watching footage for that writeup though, so don’t quite me on that.
True story: I put a lot of research in some pieces. Those pieces are usually the ones with the least comments/praise. The ones I put out as filler like this one usually get the most compliments :P
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 14, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
After PC's latest comments on CW (something like he is coming along faster then he thought, really working hard...yadda yadda)...
…it got me to thinking that starting TJax might really have been a play PC (with all the justification in the world, mind) to light CW up. PC said at the beginning when naming TJax the starter that as soon as CW learned the playbook he’d get his chance – something like 1-2 months, if memory serves.
Sounds to me like that time-table may have been accelerated, based on the showing of both QBs on Thursday. If this trend holds (CW looking steady, TJax not so much) we might see a new starter sooner then anyone thought.
This is not a prediction – just an observation. Could be, TJax comes out Saturday smokin’ hot, and shuts everyone up about his starting status, and when CW’s time comes, he stinks up the joint.
But if I had to guess, based on history and current circumstances, I’d say TJax is in trouble, because I can’t think of any reason anymore to expect him to play any different then he always has.
I was thinking along the same lines
The only thing that doesn’t fit into that situation is PC publicly saying TJ didn’t get a fair chance with the Vikes, and that he got jerked around a lot. It would seem like a dick move to tell TJ “you’re the starter, go get em, here’s your shot” If it’s just a ploy to motivate some other guy. But, then again, football has never really been about polite courtesy.
I think PC is just trying to get them to compete for the job, to the best of their ability. If that means telling TJax that’s he a starter to get his confidence up, so be it. Maybe CW does well as the guy with “something to prove”
Pete's basically using the public space to motivate T-Jax
Whether or not that’s disingenuous remains to be seen, but it’s probably effective.
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 14, 2011 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
So both guys get motivated - and in the end, PC will decide which of them gives the team the best chance to win.
Sounds like a good plan to me.
It appears to me Pete is genuinely unexcited about Whitehurst, and has been for a while now.
Jackson is what is left, and was part and parcel of getting Rice. TJack will have to fail visibly and with duration (a number of regular season games) for Whitehurst to see the field as a starter. In My Opinion.
by Harvey Manfrengenson on Aug 15, 2011 5:48 AM PDT up reply actions
We just get a little excited seeing someone with
potential lining up behind center. Of course we are happy about Portis.
by Wayward Llama on Aug 14, 2011 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Solid observations and good stuff.
I enjoy factual, digestible articles like this. It largely clarifies some things I thought I saw and some things I missed. More of these, please.
2011: Building the Trenches.
Whitehurst has shown me something
I have to agree with tigrrl, Charlie Whitehurst is looking like our best option at QB. I understand the complaints, but he appears comfortable in the pocket and flexible enough to run. I think we underrate the advantages of not making mistakes. Orton, when he entered the league was always an afterthought because Rex Grossman had the big arm. Consistancy and mistake free football win games. I am not entirely sold on the “you have to have a Franchise QB to make it in this league” ideal. It seems like a idea started by agents to get young players big bonuses. Look at Philly, they have made a living out of retread QBs for many years. All of which have been much more effective in Philly’s system than in systems that were build around them(vick, cunningham, kolb,…). Rothesberger was little more than a handoff QB for his first two years(just take a look at his pass attempts). Don’t get me wrong, I would love to have a top tier QB, But teams that are built around a QB and not a line LOSE. I will happily take a Trent Dilfer year out of Whitehurst and see if he develops, to go along with a run based offense.
by attitudeof1 on Aug 14, 2011 4:44 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Whitehurst can't push for the job until his knowledge disadvantage is gone, though
That’s simply what it is
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 14, 2011 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Whitehurst also looked "better" against 2nd stringers.
Let’s not get carried away here.
by Johnny Slick on Aug 15, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm looking forward to preseason week 2. Feels so awesome watching football while watching the over-exaggerating comments at game thread.
Special teams need to improve (I am a disappoint with their performance).
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Polumbus is a great guy but I don't want another year with him at L.T.
I’m making a voodoo doll of Okung & making his ankles out of good quality grade 8 steel . I made a Bin laden doll a while back out of Swiss cheese and that worked-out pretty good . Figure I got this under control.
I've re-watched the game
-Moffitt was really good all around.
-Carpenter was pretty damn good in the run game.Destroyed Castillo on a 3rd and 1.
- Thought Gallery struggled. Missed and fell down a lot.
-Baldwin looked smooth and confident.
-McCoy is a really good blocker.
- Wasn’t particularily impressed with Branch.
- Liked what I saw from Browner and Sherman
- Leroy Hill was moving around really well.
-Chancellor covers a lot of ground once he sniffs out the play.
- Right now I’d give the edge to Johnson over Legree and Pinkard.
Browner really looked decent
Beekers basically put it really well though, seemed more concerned about mugging and less about locating the ball. That might be able to be remedied, however, and having a really tall corner who really can run would be invaluable to this team
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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Aug 14, 2011 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions
The mugging won't stop
It is his one genuine advantage on receivers, he is just plain bigger and stronger. He is also slower, so playing anyway but physical will be his downfall and put him in the chase position. I think it makes him a situational player most of the time, but could make him a situational starter against certain types of players.
by Harvey Manfrengenson on Aug 15, 2011 5:53 AM PDT up reply actions
There's a lot of reeivers that can't handle the mugging.
And, it seems to me, keeping a designated mugger in the first 5 yards when it’s legal, has been a very effective strategy.
by bleedshawkblue on Aug 15, 2011 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions

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