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Seahawks 4-3 Defense: Scheme Versatility

The Seahawks' gap assignments have always been a little muddled to me and I think that's because they probably purposefully change them from play to play, series to series, and situation to situation. The basic premise, as far as I understand it, is that the Seahawks ran with a mostly two-gapping from the nose tackle and 5-tech defensive end in the 2010 season, but switched to a more conventional 4-3 one-gapping scheme later in the year when injuries piled up and their defense struggled. 

A one-gap scheme is what Carroll did at USC but isn't necessarily what he had planned to do or plans to do going forward in Seattle. Based on the personnel available to him, he and Dan Quinn brought in a hybrid 4-3 with principles that he had learned from former 49ers assistant coach Bill McPherson. Carroll and (former Seahawks) defensive line coach Dan Quinn implemented a two-gap defensive line scheme that was aimed at stopping the run.

The two-gap strategy used last season basically involves the nose tackle and the strongside defensive end holding the point of attack and managing two gaps in defense of the run. In the case it's a pass, the defensive linemen then try to get at the quarterback, but with any two-gap system, the moment of hesitation really hurts the pass rush. The exception here is that the LEO is only responsible for the C-gap on his side, so he's rushing the passer like a bat out of Hades. 

With bigger men on the line you command more double teams from the offense and it frees up your linebackers to move in space and avoid getting hooked by the offensive linemen. With an aim at stopping the run, the idea is that you can force your opponent into down and distance that dictates a pass, then dial up blitz packages and the like to try and get to the quarterback. 

As Chris Clemons described last year's defense, "When we go into the game, our first objective is to stop the run. Once we get them in that position to be in a passing situation, it's not just about blitzes, we have a lot of four-man rushes too. It's just a matter of everybody up front being on the same page and being able to get to the quarterback."

While that tactic and schema worked for a time last season, it looks like the Hawks may be looking to try something different in 2011. First of all, they re-signed Brandon Mebane but immediately designated him as the new nose tackle, a spot held down by Colin Cole last season. The NT responsibilities are going to change as well. Per Brandon Mebane, in an interview on the Kevin Calabro show:

"It's going to be, basically, like when I was here with Rocky (Bernard). Me and Rocky, we basically both played the nose and the three (-tech), you know, we slid down the line, depending on where the strength was. I played the right side, Rocky played the left side. But this year, we're not doing any sliding, it will be more like, the coach will say "I need you to play the nose this series", you know, "I need you to play the three (-tech) this series", so I'm going to basically be playing both of them."

He continued, "Probably right now for the majority of the time I'm going to be playing the nose, which I don't have a problem with, I played it before, and I'm just ready to get back out there and just have fun."

"I (will be) shading on the center. Last year, I don't know if you've seen, we played mostly a two-gap. So in two-gap, the nose (plays) head-up on the center, straight up on the center. So last year we kind of did the two-gap thing, but towards the end of the year we played one-gap.

That one-gap system is apparently what the Seahawks plan to cycle into use more often. 

"I can't really say (why they're making the change). I can say that this system is effective. I think it's very effective. I actually like playing one-gap too. I mean, I can play two-gap, but you know with me being this young, I really prefer to play one-gap, you know just getting up the field, getting up into the gap, just causing havoc."

You have to think the change has something to do with the arrival of defensive line coach Todd Wash. Wash comes to Seattle via Tampa Bay, where the Buccaneers have been running a pretty traditional 4-3 defense. As John Morgan so aptly put it, "He's systems guy, pure and simple, from the wellspring, and to my knowledge free of any crazy notions about a hybrid defense. His ends are pass rushers, his tackles penetrate and his run defense is atrocious, damn it."

Well said.

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Morgan added, "Losing Quinn and signing Wash could mean an end to the unbalanced line. It was something Pete Carroll took on and ran with, but not something that reflects Carroll's greater coaching philosophy. In light of just how terrible Seattle's defense was, it wouldn't surprise me if some fundamental changes were made."

Predictably, Morgan's analysis seems to have some legs, as we've seen a little bit of the more traditional 4-man front in the Seahawks first preseason game with the ends manned by Jimmy Wilkerson and Raheem Brock. This could, of course, be due to Red Bryant's slow return and Chris Clemons' injury but there's a chance it could signal a move to eschew, to an extent, the hybrid unbalanced line with big Red Bryant for the use of pass rushing ends more often. It's anyone's guess at this point. 

My personal take is that I don't think that the Seahawks will abandon the Red Bryant experiment. I think that with the addition of Wash, that could mean you see more 'traditional' sets where you've got two penetrating defensive tackles on the interior and two pass rushing defensive ends on the outside -- something they did with Raheem Brock and Chris Clemons later in the season last year -- but I think the Hawks will still use the unbalanced hybrid often as well. 

Either way, the system Mebane refers to above where he was playing next to Rocky Bernard netted him 5.5 sacks and featured his talents and abilities to consistently get pressure on the quarterback. Whether he's one-gapping or two-gapping, history tells us he'll have a better chance to collapse the pocket and cause problems for the offense by getting into the backfield from the nose tackle position. 

How they use newly signed DT Alan Branch, who will now be playing the 3-tech, in conjunction with Mebane will be something to watch closely. Junior Siavii and Colin Cole, if he gets healthy, will provide depth. The Hawks have added veteran depth at DE by signing Jimmy Wilkerson and Raheem Brock, but have also added Pep Levingston, A.J. Schable, and Pierre Allen.

They've moved Jameson Konz to the Leo to compete as depth behind Clemons and Dexter Davis (and Raheem Brock - who can play either DE spot). They'll likely move Kentwan Balmer to the interior and give him a chance to play one-gapping football, because he wasn't particularly effective two-gapping at the 5-tech last year (though he can if needed). Pierre Allen can two-gap and did so at Nebraska, but has also flashed some pass rushing ability in camp and in their first preseason game, getting a monster sack that caused a fumble. Jimmy Wilkerson can play the either DE spot but can also bump in to the interior when needed. Alan Branch is the starting 3-tech but can also play 5-tech DE (and NT in an absolute pinch). Brandon Mebane can play the NT or the 3-tech. Pep Levingston was originally thought of as a DE but has been playing on the interior a bit as well. Hell, even Aaron Curry can play as a down lineman. 

My point: versatility is king on this defense. Don't even get me started on the linebackers and defensive backs. 

In 2011, I would guess the Hawks will use situational packages that get different combinations of players on the field and make the defense less predictable. You could see packages with two big defensive ends and no LEO rush end, and you could see packages with two speed edge rushers going after the quarterback. The Hawks could rotate guys in and out and move players to different spots along the line or in the secondary.

It's all about down and distance, and creating confusion for the offense. It's something to watch. 


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Great read. A few thoughts:

1. “Base defenses” may be more complicated than we often give them credit for. A vanilla 4-3 defense isn’t just 4 guys rushing the passer on every down.
2. Many of the personnel moves on the DL seem to have been dictated by injuries, not necessarily evolving defensive philosophies. If Cole, Bryant and Clemons were all at 100%, I’m not sure that Branch would be starting or that Mebane would be playing at the 1-tech.

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Aug 18, 2011 10:48 AM PDT reply actions  

Yup

1: very true
2: It’s true. Bringing Wilkerson, Brock, Sims in late in camp indicates a reaction to injuries. Who knows whether they’d be moving Mebane back to the 1 or not - they SAY that they had planned to all along but you can’t believe everything this FO says. They tend to lie (or maybe that’s strong- mislead), or be overly polite.
3. did you get my email?

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by Danny Kelly on Aug 18, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

On the second point:

I see something similar with the way they’re treating LB KJ Wright:

When the Seattle Seahawks drafted Mississippi State linebacker K.J Wright in the fourth round of the draft back in April, head coach Pete Carroll talked about using Wright just about everywhere except middle linebacker.

Carroll and general manager John Schneider said they liked the thought of him as a strongside linebacker and believed he had the ability to even be a rush linebacker for them—similar to how Carroll used Brian Cushing(notes) at Southern Cal.

So it was a surprise when Wright started taking reps at middle linebacker from day one of camp.
"After looking at him we really think he’s an inside guy that could do that if we wanted him to. But right now we need the depth, we need the competitiveness in there and the competition on the inside, so we’re going to keep him there."

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-seahawks-wright

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Aug 18, 2011 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, exactly.

Same with Pep — brought in and everyone thought he was a 5-tech DE, including JS/PC. He’s now taking snaps from the interior.

I guess I shouldn’t say they’re misleading as much as they’re just open to moving guys around.

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by Danny Kelly on Aug 18, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not sure if all this shuffling of positions is incredibly helpful

It might well provide versatility, but is it at the cost of more reps at a single position?

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by rex92 on Aug 18, 2011 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Its not ideal, but you have to fill out the depth chart somehow

If Hawthorne goes down, who replaces him? If Hill goes down, who replaces him? We’ve got very thin depth at LB and DL right now and the coaches are just trying to make the best with what they’ve got.

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Aug 18, 2011 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope we're running a hybrid 4-3 still

Not the unbalanced hybrid 4-3, but a 4-3/3-4 that flexes in and out personnel based on situations and opportunity. Like the Patriots do, basically.

We seem to lack the talent to have a really good D-line, regardless of scheme.

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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 18, 2011 10:59 AM PDT reply actions  

Halle-fuckin'-lujah:
My personal take is that I don’t think that the Seahawks will abandon the Red Bryant experiment. I think that with the addition of Wash, that could mean you see more ‘traditional’ sets where you’ve got two penetrating defensive tackles on the interior and two pass rushing defensive ends on the outside — something they did with Raheem Brock and Chris Clemons later in the season last year

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by Nick Andron on Aug 18, 2011 11:13 AM PDT reply actions  

I don't think they can abandon the Red Bryant "experiment" at all.

It’s been too successful, both at run D and pass rush.

Heck, for a couple of games before he got injured, teams weren’t even bothering to run to his side.

by Groundhog on Aug 18, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hurry up offense

It seems like the strength of the line comes from the ability to rotate guys in and out always being unpredictable. But when it comes to something like the 2 minute drill or a hurry up offense when the d can’t rotate people do you see us having a lot of problems with that? And if so what would be the solution/counter to that.

by Ironbob on Aug 18, 2011 11:15 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

That's a good question -

Logic would dictate that because guys can play at multiple positions on the line it offers scheme versatility (hey that’s what the article was called) without having to substitute guys in and out. They can run a variety of things out of their base (or whatever) personnel because each guy can do a variety of things. Move guys down the line, the linebackers are all very versatile and fungible, the corners are all very versatile, the safeties are all very versatile, can play the slot guy or blitz, etc.

Will have to see that idea in action though to get a real read on it.

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by Danny Kelly on Aug 18, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

The hurry-up offense would likely dictate a pass-heavy offense

You’re probably going to have more pass-rush and pass-coverage relative to the base offense. These guys might not need as much rest as the bigger 2-gappers.

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Aug 18, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

wow

all of these variables seem like they’d be tough to manage for our defense, let alone the opposing team’s offense.

canadian eh

by Unidentified flying orgasms on Aug 18, 2011 12:05 PM PDT reply actions  

I can see that Pete is fundamentally tied to the 4-3

but not the smallish 4-3 some of the Monte Kiffen disciples seem to like to run. It seems to me Pete wants players that can just plain beat the guy in front of them physically, creating some sort of mismatch. Schemes be damned. Over the next two years, as he gets his players, we will see more of his philosophy and less of his making do.

That is why I am sure that when healthy, Red will be a two down staple.

I still haven’t figured out how Branch fits, though.

Maybe somebody can explain how his linebackers are fungible. I understand the term, I just don’t see how it applies to this group. Their skills seem pretty specific to me.

by Harvey Manfrengenson on Aug 18, 2011 2:49 PM PDT reply actions  

The KJ Wright move is the main example.

He was drafted and originally thought of as a Sam linebacker. There were people that thought he could play the Will as well. Then there were people that thought he’d be a backup LEO. Then they moved him to the MLB position. The skillsets needed for each position, Mike, Sam, and Will, aren’t as distinct as in some defenses.

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by Danny Kelly on Aug 18, 2011 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, Curry's lack of success when put in the wrong role at LB certainly doesn't make him fungible

And Wright was reputed to be good in coverage in college, which would seem to translate to MLB. And if they are trying out Bigby at the Nickle Will, well he certainly isn’t fungible.

Answer me this: Does the skillset of a backer need to change dramatically if the lineman in front of him is two gapping?

It seems to me that we have the personnel for lots of packages, but not the personnel for any one scheme.

by Harvey Manfrengenson on Aug 18, 2011 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Branch

I see Branch as a rather large (literally) question mark. Any ideas on why he didn’t succeed in Arizona and how he fits into our scheme? He is a player I am really intrigued by since he did so well in his time at Michigan.

by jgettman on Aug 18, 2011 3:16 PM PDT reply actions  

Branch has me flummoxed as well

He does not seem like he would be any better a 3 tech than Red was, and for the same reasons. And yet that is where he is supposed to play. He seems like a natural to share time at Red’s defensive end position, though.

And hasn’t Branch spent the last few years as a two gapping player? Signing him would hardly seem to signal the return to a 1 gap penetrating 4-3, at least as it is usually defined.

by Harvey Manfrengenson on Aug 18, 2011 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think

I’d rather want to see him shooting the gap quick and using his power and mass to disturb the offense than two gapping, but that also depends on what our other d-lineman can do.

by jgettman on Aug 18, 2011 3:51 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Seems like they're just sticking two big bodies on the inside,

Then alternating their roles/gap responsibilities. I don’t think it’ll work unless Branch can beat 1-on-1’s with consistency.

by Groundhog on Aug 18, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't like the focus on the run. I'm just gonna say it.

Seattle has been decent at stopping the run for the last two years and it hasn’t done any good. Countless times they’ve stuffed the run and dictated a pass, only to have some Pro Bowl QB shrug and make another infuriating 3rd-down-and-long completion with little effort.

Part of the problem is that our back seven lacks the coverage skills to close their end of the deal. The rest is accounted for by the fact that modern NFL QB’s and the rules and schemes that surround them are just too good to be overcome by a lack of rushing assistance. Research bears that out. Brees didn’t need a rushing attack to hang 36 points on this D.

The answer is interior pressure. Flush QB’s out of the pocket and you slice their playbook in half, help the coverage, and rattle the QB. This needs to come from the interior, not just the ends, which would be a purely opportunistic and thus ineffective form of pressure.

I’m also still not convinced by the Red Bryant experiment. It succeeded against terrible opponents and did nothing to stop the only good QB it’s faced so far. Still needs a lot of confirmation. I’m glad to see Mebane back to two-gapping and the traditional dual pass-rushers. No one else in this league has ever needed any fancy-schmancy hybrid crap to sack the QB. They just go get talent. In the draft. Make it happen, Pete.

Sorry, I’m stressed right now.

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by Brandon8 on Aug 18, 2011 3:52 PM PDT reply actions  

"No one else in this league has ever needed any fancy-schmancy hybrid crap to sack the QB."

That’s not really true at all. When I think of the great pass rushing teams I mainly think of Philly and Pittsburgh. Both of those teams are noted for extremely creative blitz packages. Dick LeBeau is one of the greatest defensive coordinators of his era because of his “fancy-schmancy” zone blitz crap.

The Patriots might not be a great example because their defense hasn’t been very good recently, but even in their prime Belichick was using a wide variety of defensive fronts. Everything from a 4-3 to a 3-4 to a stampede formation. Maybe the greatest defense of all time, the ’85 Bears, were using the 46, a completely new formation, to attain much of their success.

I don’t know that what Pete’s trying to build is going to produce results like any of the above teams, but I don’t think we should necessarily knock him for trying to be innovative. All of those teams have had talent and Pete’s going to have to find his, but so far he’s been able to essentially manufacture sacks and an effective run defense (questionable as it was).

by Nate Dogg on Aug 18, 2011 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Alright, I resorted to hyperbole out of pissy frustration.

You guys are right. But every guy you mentioned was/is also uber-talented and made an impact on Seattle’s overall pass defense. I’m trying to figure out whether Pete is trying to scheme his way out of a lack of talent or whether he really does have something revolutionary up his sleeve.

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by Brandon8 on Aug 19, 2011 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Mebane said in an interview he'll mostly be 1-gapping as a 1-tech.

You make a compelling case for your views, aside from the thread above.

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by jacobstevens on Aug 23, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Versatility and depth are everything.

A lot of those 3rd and long completions were given up due to lack of both. When the QB can step into a nice, comfy pocket and wait all day for his deep guys to get open, then it’s lights out every time.

Versatility will allow guys to step in and cover injuries at multiple postions and nullify attempted mismatches aimed for in the hurryup offense, and depth will allow constant rotation of personnel to keep everyone fresh, thus reducing injuries and allowing fresh legs to rush the passer. I counted a lot of near misses that could easily be chalked up to all those 40 second 3 and outs by the offense, too.

by bleedshawkblue on Aug 19, 2011 9:48 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

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