Seahawks Sign FS Brett Johnson and RB Chase Reynolds, Cut FB/RB Chris Henry, Have Cap Left
by Thomas Beekers on Aug 2, 2011 5:33 PM PDT
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PrintBrett Johnson is a FS out of California we worked out last off-season, but did not pick up as a UDFA. Last season, he was picked up by the Rams, cut, tried out by various teams, then signed to the Buffalo Bills practice squad, a contract that expired now. Now we picked him up, per Curtis Crabtree.
Johnson is a workout wonder, the 6'1 194lbs FS turning heads at the Cal pro day with a 4.30 40, 42.5-inch vertical and a 10-foot-9-inch broad jump. Impressive numbers. He played 49 college games, with 22 starts, registering 3 interceptions and 107 total tackles. He contributed to special teams before starting in 2008 and 2009. Still 24 years old, he's worth a look as PC sifts through a ton of young DBs to find a gem.
We also signed Montana RB Chase Reynolds, per this report. The 5'11 201 lbs RB is a long shot due to size and lack of physical skills (specifically speed/quickness), but was an extremely productive runner and catcher in college. He started three years and rushed for over 1500 yards with 22 TDs in his junior and senior years.
Same day, we cut FB/RB Chris Henry. Henry was also a workout warrior and not very productive in college. His 4.40 40-yard dash, 26 reps of 225 lbs and 32-inch vertical leap convinced the Titans to take a shot at this athletic talent in the 2nd round. That was quite a reach, and like many of these athletes with little skills (Jameson Konz, for instance), he was a long shot with them and with us. I joke about liking the player, but after spending last year on the practice squad, he was always a bit of a long shot.
Finally, I've been offering guesses at cap remaining for a while, putting it at about $16 million with ESPN numbers after the Lofa release ($19 million including the buffer). Our FO are even better cap managers than I guessed, as PFT has a source inform them that we had over $21.2 million in cap left before the Zach Miller signing (including the $3 million buffer). Plenty left for another splash signing if we need it, though do note all these numbers are not official, just educated guesses. Also, as PFT notes, it seems there's no cap floor this year or next. We don't need to spend this money. A lot of confusion about, but Bucs GM Mark Dominik has stated as much too, so I assume it's true, no per-team cap floor.
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Hope we look hard at these guys if the price is right
Tommie Harris – DT
Kirk Morrison – LB
Rocky McIntosh – LB
Michael Bush – RB
Jerome Harrison – RB
Jared Gaither – OT
Not any decent kickers out there. Pretty sad when Jeff Reed is actually one of the better options. Coutu wasn’t at practice today.
Anyone know of any decent QBs out there? …jk
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by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Aug 2, 2011 5:42 PM PDT reply actions
Harris went to the Colts
Bush, Harrison and Gaither are way outside our needs
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 2, 2011 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Gaither went to the Raiders
At least I think so
Apparently Pete Carroll doesn’t like how Charlie Whitehurst holds a clipboard
Deal fell through
Raiders changed their mind, probably after Gaither failed his medical.
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 2, 2011 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions
If the price is right you have to capitalize even if it doesn't fix a need. Market inefficiencies are what they are.
To me it all depends on the price. These guys are all relatively young. Ronnie Brown just settled for a 1 year deal. I don’t really have a lot of faith in Leon Washington or Forsett… I think Jerome Harrison would be an upgrade… I know everyone on here loves “J-Force” but I’ve never been high on him.
I’m pretty nervous about our line-backing core. Sure people say Hill-Heater-Curry but Hill is going to last a few games next year. If Heater or Curry go down we are really screwed. McIntosh and Morrison would be upgrades over Hill maybe even over Curry.
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by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Aug 2, 2011 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Jerome Harrison couldn't even keep his job running behind by far the best O-line in the NFL
He’s a decent situational back. 28 years old. Meh.
I didn’t complain about your LB proposals. McIntosh would be boss.
Curry isn’t going anywhere.
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 2, 2011 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I sure hope he doesn't go anywhere
I have a Curry jersey and my fiancee just got pissed cuz I like to make fun of people who wear jerseys of guys who used to be on the team and she has a Tatupu jersey
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by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Aug 2, 2011 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions
It's dumb to make fun of people who wear old jerseys
“Oh, you don’t want to drop another $150 because of organizational changes completely outside your control? Ha, what a tool”
by Stay Off the Flowers on Aug 3, 2011 7:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Buy a 12th man jersey if you can't afford to buy new jerseys every couple of years to keep up with the players
You can get shot wearing a “James” 23 jersey in Cleveland :)
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by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Aug 3, 2011 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions
What if I don't want a 12?
Look, I’m limited in funds and while I will be buying a new jersey this year, if you made fun of me for wearing my Tatupu I might just take offense.
"I swear I’m a closet masochist for being such a die hard fan of this team. Goddamn man." -- Raider Zealot (over at Silver and Black Pride). Heady days to be a Seahawk fan, ladies and gents. Optimism reigns supreme right now.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Aug 3, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
And then on the back, put "ME".
This would work even better if there was a number that sounded sort of like “Bane”.
I bought a throwback jersey this spring...
Jackie Robinson’s Brooklyn Dodgers outfit. Now THAT is a throwback. Wearing a 2004 uniform is just wearing an older jersey.
Otherwise, I pretty well agree. In the EPL across the pond they change their jerseys pretty much yearly but then most fans go ahead and either wear it blank or they have it custom embroidered. The thing that drives me f’ing crazy is that I’d like to get a jersey from time to time but am not particularly enthused with the prospect of wearing the starting QB’s or Lota Tatupu. Where is the love for the interior line!? I think I saw one Okung jersey last year (which I should have bought but didn’t).
Leon Washington is about to blow the doors off this season.
Think reggie bush at sc.
70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.
Bush
Let’s go sign Bush for the sole reason to piss off “Raider Nation”
by OG_Retro on Aug 2, 2011 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd rather sign players with the intent to improve our team and win games
by UW2010 on Aug 2, 2011 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ok Senor Serious.
I love how my comment was taken seriously haha. Go Huskies!
by OG_Retro on Aug 2, 2011 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
you didn't use the sarcasm font and I didn't think he had to with that sort of an obvious comment
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by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Aug 2, 2011 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions
What do you mean? People say the sarcasm font is italics? Or are you talking about in context?
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by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Aug 2, 2011 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions
test
test
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by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Aug 2, 2011 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions
haha, I knew that was going to happen
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by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Aug 2, 2011 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah what'd you do to perform that magic
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by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Aug 2, 2011 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Michael Bush, really?
The more other RBs we have, the less BEASTMODE we have.
I'm set with BEAST/Force/LW personally.
Once our OL starts gelling, defenses better look out for Da Lynch Mob! Shit is gonna get nasty.
by GriffinNW on Aug 2, 2011 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Bush averages more yards per carry than Lynch
has really low miles (only played in 3 seasons sat out rookie year, would have been a 1st round pick that year if he wasn’t going to sit out his rookie season)
If the price was right, I’d like the pickup
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by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Aug 2, 2011 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions
So you think we should cut loose BEAST'S best man for Bush?
I mean, I can’t really argue that Bush wouldn’t be a better backup than JF, but if Leon is actually back at 100%, would Bush actually see a lot of play time?
I just don't know how effective Leon Washington is going to be in the return game with the rule changes
LW and JF are basically interchangeable to me as to who has to go. I just know Bush is an upgrade over either. JF makes a lot less than LW.
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by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Aug 2, 2011 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Washington will not be cut
They just signed him to a 3 year deal
Apparently Pete Carroll doesn’t like how Charlie Whitehurst holds a clipboard
I nkow it is a very slim chance but that was before the rule changes that are going to make him less effective
He’s making $3M per, dunno how much would count against us in 2012 if he was released
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by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Aug 2, 2011 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions
It's not guaranteed the rules will make him less effective
Also he should get more snaps on offense now that he’s fully healthy
Apparently Pete Carroll doesn’t like how Charlie Whitehurst holds a clipboard
I'd put a lot of money on him beeing less effective with the rule changes
and my only argument is that if the price was right, I would rather give those additional snaps to someone like ghost or bush
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by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Aug 2, 2011 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Jerome Harrison
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7894/gamelog;ylt=AkR6eMlhmP79Te7pj4OftA.uLYF?year=2009
Look at 2009 season’s December 20, 27 and Jan 3rd games for what he can do when healthy…
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by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Aug 2, 2011 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Just because he's like the only decent Coug in the league...
Does not mean we should sign him.
by Woodinville_12thMan on Aug 2, 2011 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Tru is a Coug i think
And he’s already signed but there’s a few I suppose. I think Western Oregon U only has 1 (Kevin Boss) but he’s not at Tru level. But WSU is a Pac-10 school (PAC-12 is still weird to me like Century Link).
by SGT Lenny on Aug 3, 2011 12:12 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Husain Abdullah started at SS for the Vikes last year.
"If you want your dreams to come true, don't sleep in."
Erik Coleman was decent with the Falcons and is a Lion now
but yes there are very few Cougs in the league
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by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Aug 3, 2011 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions
How much would Bush even go for anyway?
I still think LW is more useful to this team than Bush, unless he also returns kicks and I didn’t know that.
I really don't know I just thought Ronnie Brown was probably better and he just signed a 1 year deal
This whole argument is dependent on what Ghost and Bush would go for
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by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Aug 2, 2011 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions
RFA!!
Michael Bush is a Restricted FA. Meaning we would potentially lose draft picks to get him. Definitely not worth it!!
You sure that didn't go out the window when the CBA came out?
He was drafted 2 rounds after Zach Miller and we didn’t give up anything to get Miller who was also a RFA before the CBA
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by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Aug 2, 2011 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions
This article that came out today confused me...
The Falcons still have to secure restricted free agent Brent Grimes, who has a first-round tender. Another team has until Aug. 20 to make an offer to Grimes.
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by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Aug 2, 2011 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Evidence?
I know the amount of season accrued dropped from 6-5, but I don’t think the draft pick compensation went away.
My B for talking about Bush haha
Ghost > LW
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by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Aug 2, 2011 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I like Bush
Big nasty motherfucker. I like JForce more though
Apparently Pete Carroll doesn’t like how Charlie Whitehurst holds a clipboard
i know what you mean
But out of context, that would…
by SGT Lenny on Aug 3, 2011 12:14 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
He is an RFA
He was on the PUP for all of 2007 due to a broken leg. So he didn’t get an accrued season that year.
Oh yeah 3 years of time is RFA, 4 years isn't anymore
I bet Grimes’ first season didn’t count…
Well forget the Bush stuff… But I liked Ghost more anyways!
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by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Aug 2, 2011 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions
LW and JF aren't remotely similar
Force is a power runner in a small body. Washington is shiftier, quicker and faster.
All the kickoff rule change means is that Washington should see more time on offense rather than special teams
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 2, 2011 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I know they aren't similar. I said they are interchangeable as to who has to go
in other words, I am indifferent in who has to go, don’t have a preference
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by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Aug 2, 2011 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok. Neither one is going anywhere
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 2, 2011 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
If he wasn't a better option than JF last year on offense I don't think a rule change is going to make him a better option all of a sudden
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by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Aug 2, 2011 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Forsett and Washington aren't similar players, so they don't replace each other as offensive options
Washington’s lack of usage had more to do with lack of rushing opportunities because our offense couldn’t stay on the field and protecting the banged-up player. PC loves him.
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 2, 2011 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I think they do replace eah other as offensive options mainly because Washington only had 27 rushes...
Washington had 27 carries all of last year… Jerome Harrison had 4 games with more than 27 carries in 2009 when he was fully healthy.
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by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Aug 2, 2011 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Harrison is a mediocre starter who garnered stats behind the best O-line in the NFL
I’m done with this “discussion”. Out.
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 2, 2011 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Ghost wasn't even healthy last year
Weeks 15, 16 and 17 of 2009 he had 106 carries for 561 yards
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by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Aug 2, 2011 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Cleveland had the best offensive line in the NFL in 2009?
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by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Aug 2, 2011 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, he is also 100% heading into camp this year.
I think PC will find ways to get him going in our offense.
Washington wasn't fully healthy last year too
Apparently Pete Carroll doesn’t like how Charlie Whitehurst holds a clipboard
Ghost wasn't healthy last year either and will cost less and is better in my opinion
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by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Aug 2, 2011 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't see how he would be cheaper
Leon is due $3.5M guaranteed. If you cut him for Harrison, you’d be paying that plus whatever you were paying Ghost.
I love Harrison for what he did in college, but I wouldn’t replace one of our current RBs with him at this time.
Where did you read $3.5M was guaranteed this year?
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by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Aug 2, 2011 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah but how much of that was paid last year?
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by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Aug 2, 2011 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think any of it has been paid yet.
Doesn’t matter how much was already paid, anyway, as it’s counted against this year’s cap.
The contract was signed March of this year. It covers his 2011-2014 seasons. He’s scheduled to make $2M + $1.5M signing bonus for 2011. That’s the $3.5M guarantee.
That's not how it works
We dropped Tatupu and he’s going to hurt us a little next year, but not this year… That is what would happen with LW too…
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by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Aug 2, 2011 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions
If we get Harrison for less than LW's $2m than it'd be worth it as I see Harrison as a better player
The $1.5M signing bonus for 2011 is what we’d pay next year to Leon I think
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by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Aug 2, 2011 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions
LW hasn't had 100+ rushing yards in a game since his rookie season when he had 2
Ghost doesn’t return kicks, and mark my words, Leon Washington will not return a kick for a TD next year, the new rules will hurt his value dramatically. There’s a reason LW only rushed the ball 21 times last year and it isn’t because he was returning kicks, there are a lot of players who return kicks and rush more than 21 times.
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by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Aug 2, 2011 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, he was still recovering from his leg injury...
If you remember a short time ago information came out about how good LW looked and felt in camp so far in comparison to the physical pain he was in during camp last year.
Earl Thomas + Mark Legree = Earl Gree. A new flavor of safety coming to you on Sunday's this Fall. They're gonna wake you up!
I think you're the only one that believes he's a better player
And regardless of where the cap hit takes place (2011 or 2012) it’s not worth the negligible (if any) upgrade you’d be receiving in Harrison.
And yes, we’re going to take a hit next year from Lofa, but that wasn’t the plan the FO had. We’re taking that hit to do Lofa a solid.
That's fine
I still think LW will be released before his Seattle contract is up
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by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Aug 2, 2011 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think he will either
But based on what I’ve seen of PCJS’s style, I don’t think anyone is guaranteed to live out their contracts, including Mebane/Rice/Miller. Once the guaranteed money is off the books, they’ll actively look for upgrades and move on from a player, fan favorite and sentimentality aside. And I for one am all for it.
Miller will be 30 when his contract is up and I am pretty sure it is frontloaded
I could see him being the one guy that’d live out his contract here.
Trufant is the only guy left from the Superbowl team and I bet he’ll be gone by the start of next season. I am all for it too.
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by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Aug 2, 2011 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions
It's possible, but I wouldn't bet on it
Assuming Carroll and Schneider are still around, if they can find a better option and it doesn’t hurt the budget after 3 years, I can see them moving on from Miller.
Hill is also left from the Super Bowl team, but I think you’re right, they’ll both be gone after this season. Shame, I’ve had my Tru jersey since Jan. ’05 (got it for my birthday the week before the Redskins playoff game).
by SmartAssCoug on Aug 2, 2011 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm almost positive that would put a $750k hit on the books for this year.
I think that the way things work is that when you cut a guy, the remainder of his signing bonus which hasn’t counted against the cap yet goes against this year’s and next year’s cap numbers, along with anything you’ve already paid the guy (I am all but positive that the NFL simply does not do guaranteed contracts). Washington hasn’t received a paycheck yet and won’t until the season starts, so the signing bonus is all.
That being said, I find it highly doubtful that the team is going to cut a guy right after they signed him to a multiyear contract just because of a rule change which will have unknown effects. It’s entirely possible that Washington could become more valuable – if the rest of the league stops returning kicks but Washington continues to give the team a chance to start at the 40 instead of the 20 every 5 kickoffs, that added field position is going to be standard deviations above everyone else.
Correct, prorated salary bonuses accelerate
And correct, Washington and Forsett aren’t going anywhere. This whole thread is incredibly vapid.
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 2, 2011 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
How many inexperienced safeties does a roster need?
Thomas and Chancellor are the only safeties on our roster who have ever played in an NFL game. How about signing someone with some experience?
"Football players are temperamental. That's 90 percent temper and 10 percent mental." - Doug Plank
I'd sign Jordan Babineaux
But hell. Youth movement. PC is high on his own ability to scout DBs. He’s probably right. Lets hope he finds some gems, but it’ll still be ugly this year. Our secondary actually looks worse than the 49ers’s
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 2, 2011 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Darren Sharper
Isn’t Darren Sharper still available? I mean come on, Darren Shawpuh one of da hardest hitting safeties in da leeeague. But in all seriousness just sign him to help Earl Thomas, and Kam, and play him as a role guy.
by OG_Retro on Aug 2, 2011 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Donte Whitner
Still available, decent SS, good for depth, again would help if Kam goes down, or just doesn’t pan out at SS.
Rec'd for the "Greg Jennings" quote.
But seriously, how old is Babs? I think he would be a good sign. Knows the system, can play safety or situational corner if needed.
Holmadiiiii!
I think I know enough of hate/ To say that for destruction Rice/ Is also great/ And would suffice.
Anyone seen Rocky Bernard play the last year
Does he still have it? Mebane’s best year was beside him
Apparently Pete Carroll doesn’t like how Charlie Whitehurst holds a clipboard
You are correct sir!
Yeah I didn’t see him on the FA list, but you are right.
does that 16 - 21 million in available cap space also include
the 12 million that will show up when we cut the roster to 53 players? i mean with a minimum salary of 375K, and needing to cut 37 players, we potentially could spend up to 40 million more right? that seems like an insane amount to me…anyone know the answer?
Smashmouth is the new sexy!
No player can practice with out a contract.
All contracts count against the cap.
cuts clear cap space.
70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.
I think they factor that into the estimates.
And they have to leave room for bonus clauses at the end of the season.
70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.
We definitely need depth at LB
so our starters are Curry, Hawthrone, and … Hill? KJ Wright? Matt McCoy? Dexter Davis? I mean seriously who is our other OLB… why didn’t we look at Lawson, or Sims? We have 3 veteran LBs on our roster.
Malcolm Smith is running with the 1's in camp at WLB
Apparently Pete Carroll doesn’t like how Charlie Whitehurst holds a clipboard
Because Leroy Hill can't practice yet
Hill’s our starting Will.
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 2, 2011 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Gotcha
So Hill got his job back, good for him, I mean that. I liked the dude, made some poor choices off the field, but when he’s on, he is on.
Also we just worked out LB Chris Wilson, don’t know anything about him, but its good to see some LBs being looked at. Still wish we had signed Tulloch, or Ruud.
Because Leroy Hill can't report yet
Hill’s the starting Will
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 2, 2011 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions
The focus has clearly been on the offense.
They better score a lot of points, because we aren’t going to stop anybody.
4-3 linebackers aren't that important.
I think I know enough of hate/ To say that for destruction Rice/ Is also great/ And would suffice.
I'm just disappointed that he's 6'.
I wanted him to be a scrappy, short little white dude, a la Danny Woodhead.
After all the reports anyone else find it funny that...
Brandon Mebane said that he was never talking to Denver. He thought he was going to go to either the Seahawks, Bears or Saints… Saints settled on Aubrayo Franklin and Bears got Okoye… He said this on the Kevin Collabro show
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by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Aug 2, 2011 6:16 PM PDT reply actions
That explains the average contract
If the Broncos and Rams were just rumors and not actually involved then he was basically signed once the Saints dropped out.
Many of us were expecting a 5 year 35 million type contract like cofield got. But instead it was 5y/$25.
All makes sense now.
by The Great Googly on Aug 2, 2011 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Leonard Weaver
Anyone else think we should take a look at bringing Leonard Weaver back? Or is his knee injury bad? I still think we need a better FB than Michael Robinson, who was a former QB.
His injury was very serious and he was cut failing a medical
He’s likely going to need a year rehabbing, if he ever comes back to the NFL
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 2, 2011 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions
He likely won't play this year
Apparently Pete Carroll doesn’t like how Charlie Whitehurst holds a clipboard
Walking without a limp is his first goal.
He’ll likely never play again.
"I swear I’m a closet masochist for being such a die hard fan of this team. Goddamn man." -- Raider Zealot (over at Silver and Black Pride). Heady days to be a Seahawk fan, ladies and gents. Optimism reigns supreme right now.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Aug 3, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Cosell agrees with me almost word-for-word on Tatupu
Greg Cosell
Tatupu not same last year as previous yrs. Looked slower on film. He’s now a question, not a certainty. ILB not in demand in passing league.
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 2, 2011 6:27 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
With you?
You mean with nearly every Seahawk fan that isn’t living in 2006
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by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Aug 2, 2011 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions
On slowness, yes
I don’t think everyone has quite gotten how fungible the LB positions have gotten on defenses like ours
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 2, 2011 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought it was Heater that kinda helped that, you're thinking it's more our scheme than Heater?
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by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Aug 2, 2011 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions
OLB, definitely, but I still like to think of the MLB as the "QB" of the defense.
Responsible for line calls, all that jazz. Lofa was smart. I think we may miss that.
No one out there to take that role though
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 2, 2011 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Raheem Brock
Visiting the NE Patriots apparently. I still would rather have him and Jay Richardson over Osi. Only because Osi is going to cost way too much.
Wow, sorry to hear about Weaver.
He was our best back when he left .
$16M in cap space
I think we have several signing yet to go. They are not going to be as expensive as the previous ones. Alot of quality players will sign for $1 or $2M just to get on a roster. The Hawks, as one of the few teams with cap space will have their pick of alot of guys that can fill in the depth chart and start when called upon. It is going to be sweet. PC a JS played this off season well.
I wouldn't mind that if that's how it works out
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by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Aug 2, 2011 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Kirk Morrison would be sufficient too
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by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Aug 2, 2011 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions
He used to be one of the Raiders best defenders...
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7254
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by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Aug 2, 2011 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions
A tackler with noteable problems shedding blocks
Would fit our Will well. Solid but unspectacular player.
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 2, 2011 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Morrison had an awful year with the Jags, Hill was out all year
Both players hard to say much about.
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 2, 2011 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions
One thing I do kind of expect to see...
…is the Hawks saving up a bit of this cash for bringing guys in after final cutdowns. The league hasn’t had the opportunity yet to do the cut/restructure thing in June in advance of July and August. Teams have for the most part had to make snap decisions on whether or not they want to retain someone (a la the Seahawks with Lofa) instead of working for a while on figuring out a deal beneficial to both sides. I think that means that there as many guys out there about to be cut as there already have been cut for cap clearance purposes. Others will be cut not because the team needs the money but because the player’s salary doesn’t fit into the pay structure of the team or (in the case of Osi Umenyora) they’re disgruntled.
Umenyora in particular isn’t necessarily a guy I feel a great affinity for due primarily to his insistence that he wants to get paid a lot of money. Maybe that will change in a month, though. Or heck, maybe Lofa looks around, doesn’t find anything, and agrees to return as a backup. It’s a crazy year.
If Lofa returns it would probably be to start
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 2, 2011 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd rather have KMorrison or RMcIntosh over Lofa, but Lofa would probably be my 3rd choice
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by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Aug 2, 2011 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions
lofa first simply for leadership and coaching on the field.
he’d have to come cheap though, especially since he’s already getting money from us cutting him
If he comes back it probably means other teams are scared of his knees
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by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Aug 2, 2011 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, I'd be okay with that, too, in a restructured deal which allows the team to bring in a quality replacement the second he gets too hurt to be effective.
Which is the real point of the funds allocated his way, isn’t it? Money they’re spending on Lofa is money they can’t spend on the guy who plays when Lofa sucks with hurtitude. Or, for that matter, the guy they bring in to push Lofa if his knees really are as shot as people say they are.
If Lofa were to come back under a lower contract, would that negate the cap hit we're taking?
Would it be the same as had we renegotiated in the first place, or is there some other formula that takes place?
Nope, you have to swallow the cap hit and his new contract
That’s why renegotiating is superior to cutting and resigning in most situations
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 2, 2011 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Teams dont need to hit the 89% cap min untill 2013
Theres no reason to push the cap to max unless theres somebody we really wanna get still.
If the Hawks do decide to push the cap then I hope its because the last 13 or so million is because of 1 year contracts.
There will be some great FA next year as well so it would be nice to keep some space for that as well as the 2012 rookies. There doesnt seem to be a bunch of new contracts we can restructure for Cap room outside Trufant and Curry next year so saving some space now would probably be a smart move.
by The Great Googly on Aug 2, 2011 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions
maybe we renegotiate and add more to certain players contracts for this year to save space next year
The contracts we've signed are probably frontloaded
Considering we cleared a total of 50 million in cap space (seemingly) and spend 30 of it (supposedly), I’m thinking Rice, Gallery, Miller are pretty frontloaded.
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 2, 2011 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Thats true
Didnt occur to me if they could renegotiate to frontload to save cap next year but thats possible.
One thing to remember is both Forsett and Lynch are both FA next year and unless we plan to replace them its likely they will both command pay raises so that will take up some more cap room as well. Luckily they are really the only two significant FA we have in 2012.
by The Great Googly on Aug 2, 2011 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Forsett is a significant FA?
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by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Aug 2, 2011 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I missed 2 major ones
Red Bryant and Hawthorne will be FA as well.
Add Lynch and Forsett and 2012 could be kind of expensive. Saving cap space could be more important than I thought. Especially if a couple of these guys have good or better seasons.
by The Great Googly on Aug 2, 2011 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Should renegotiate them now
But they’re young runners so they want to hold out for their prime contracts
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 2, 2011 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Rookies don't cost more than 6 mil tops for an entire class
Don’t need to really plan ahead for such an insignificant number
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 2, 2011 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions
That agrees with what Clayton tweeted 3 or 4 days ago.
The new cap floor does not start until 2013. This would make sense though, instituting a real cash floor immediately woyld generate a wave of over-inflated salaries this year.
I'm interested in seeing what effect the cash floor will have.
It’s a dumb idea in baseball because a bad team should be spending its money on its farm system, not necessarily the guys on the field. I have a fear that the floor will just slightly inflate the salaries of everyone but pull the space between contracts in, which in turn is going to mean that guys will no longer follow the money to new teams, which in turn means that that NFL parity we all know and love might go away (which wouldn’t kill me, but I’m just saying).
It's unclear how the 99% cash spending minimum works
Admittedly, it’s cash not cap, so prorated signing bonuses are spread out in cap but all go in this year in cash.
Still, what if the league doesn’t hit 99% league-wide? I guess the teams gather up the missing amount of dump it all in performance bonuses.
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 2, 2011 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought that was the difference between the old and new floor.
Previously teams would have unattainable performance benefits rolled into contracts. I had read that, again from Clayton, this would no longer be an acceptable method to reach the floor.
There is no floor
But yes, that will be true for the 89% for that will hit in 2013. Right now, there is no per-team floor.
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 2, 2011 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Or rather
In 2013 and to 2020 it is fixed by having a 89% cap floor and a 95% league-wide cash minimum
Right now we just have the cash minimum, at 99%
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 2, 2011 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions
So we have 116m in cap left?
Can this get any better? Anyone remember when the raiders mauled us last year? Payback is a bitch!
Roughly 16
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by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Aug 2, 2011 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions
They backloaded all the contracts
Everyone gets League minimum this year.
Once they start getting expensive its the Carrol Cut for them!
by The Great Googly on Aug 2, 2011 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions
This is awesome
Seattle will probably suck this year but with a good QB this offense at a minimum will be lethal.
I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.
Does Jim Harbaugh know that free agency started a few days ago?
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by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Aug 2, 2011 8:26 PM PDT reply actions
SSHHHHHH!!
Be quiet, he’ll hear you! :)
by Unbroken International on Aug 2, 2011 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Osi
If we were to get him, would him and Clemons start on opposite sides, or would him and Clemons split snaps while Red starts on the other side?
Osi would probably start at Leo with Red on the other side but Clemons would get a lot of snaps.
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