Vikings Dispatch Seahawks 20-7
The Minnesota Vikings won a barn burner against the Seattle Seahawks 20-7 at CenturyLink Field on Saturday night after holding off a furious comeback attempt led by the Clipboard, soon to be Touchdown Jesus himself, Charlie Whitehurst.
Before Whitehurst's 'miraculous' play had even begun though, the Vikings had managed to build a bit of a lead for themselves despite the Hawks complete and total offensive domination of the first quarter (except for the score). The Hawks controlled the time of possession thirteen minutes to Minnesota's two. Two measly minutes of ball possession, ...scoff. Pathetic. The Hawks had 103 yards of total offense to the Vikings 3. THREE. Embarrassing. That's 3 yards of offense in the first quarter and the Vikings came out leading 7-0 thanks to a pick-six by Marcus Sherels off of a Golden Tate tipped pass.
So how did this happen? Seattle's special teams had forced a turnover on a punt return when Jeron Johnson managed to punch the ball free to Aaron Curry, who picked up the loose ball and was home free for a fumble recovery touchdown. Naturally though, the referees had called the play dead, claiming it was not a fumble. Even though it WAS a fumble. Assholes.
They were wrong, and the play was reversed by replay. So let's recap: the Seahawks' certain touchdown was eliminated and then a few plays later the Vikings picked off Jackson for a touchdown. It's the preseason, but that still pisses me right off.
The Vikings controlled the second quarter for the most part but the Seahawks' defense managed to keep them out of the endzone. Minnesota's Ryan Longwell, who happens to have the most appropriate last name ever (unless you count the oldschool names that represented what you did in life, like "Archer" or "Thatcher" or whatever... those were pretty appropriate too) hit field goals of 36 and 47 yards to put the Vikings up 13-0 at the Half.
Tarvaris Jackson finished the first half with 11/21 passing for 75 yards and an interception. He also ran for 12 yards on 2 attempts. He was running for his life most of the time behind a porous offensive line and the running game never really caught any footing.
The 3rd Quarter and early part of the 4th belonged to Charlie Whitehurst as he glamorously led the Seahawks on a 16-play, 89 yard touchdown drive capped off by a 3-yard pass to TE Anthony McCoy in the back of the endzone. On that drive, Charlie went 10 for 11 for 79 yards and looked very impressive in the pocket -- poised, confident, authoritative, and ballsy. It's all but guaranteed that, among fans anyway, a quarterback controversy is brewing. It's not fair to Tarvaris Jackson of course, but this is football, and us fans know better than any coaches or front offices could ever know.
One thing of note was that Pete Carroll kept Charlie in the game until late in the fourth quarter as the Seahawks were threatening on a drive late in the quarter while trailing 13-7. Apparently Big Balls Pete wanted to give Charlie a chance to cement his place in the Hall of Fame by completing the comeback but that storyline sadly went unwritten as the Seahawks' efforts were stonewalled by two key drops on 2nd and 4th down. On the ensuing Vikings possession, running back Tristan Davis broke open a 35-yard touchdown run to seal put Minnesota up 20-7, and seal the victory with 2:39 left in the game. Charlie's night was over at that point, and rookie Josh Portis came in to finish it up.
Portis can run fast. The Seahawks lost the game. No one got injured, and that's what's most important.
What did you guys think?!
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Typo in paragraph 4: That pick 6 was TJ, not Charlie
It looked to me like Charlie was limping a bit on the sideline before that big hit. I’m not sure what was bugging him, but he was still able to move around pretty well on the field.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Aug 20, 2011 11:14 PM PDT reply actions
He stepped in Jackson's pool of mediocrity
Hard to get that scraped off.
by Buster! on Aug 20, 2011 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hard to tell how mediocre the guy is
when the DL is in TJ’s backfield in the middle of a 3-step drop.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Aug 20, 2011 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
You're right, of course
Just me being PO’d about watching our O-line do their best collective impression of a sieve, and taking it out on an easy target.
Man I'm tired of listening to this
year after year. Hurry back, Okung.
by Wayward Llama on Aug 21, 2011 4:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Danny supports Tarv, not Charlie
Charlie played much better than Tarv
Thanks, fixed.
Proactive-like-Nonstop
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by Danny Kelly on Aug 20, 2011 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Pete says: "LEAVE TARVARIS ALOOOOOOONE!"
Pete Carroll says Seahawks need to “give Tarvaris a chance to play well,” a reference to pass protection and other miscues.
https://twitter.com/ChristianCaple/status/105158791502364672
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Aug 20, 2011 11:19 PM PDT reply actions
Only two weeks till that stops being an excuse.
by Benne on Aug 20, 2011 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
They'll give TJ a good enough string of games to sink or swim
and then we’ll probably see Charlie at some point (maybe 4 games, maybe 10 games in). If the line looks then like it did in the first half tonight, I don’t think either QB is going to be very successful.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Aug 20, 2011 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
First half of the schedule is pretty brutal
The hawks may look like they have “turned it around” after week 10 but really, it could be because of the softer schedule in the last 6 games.
couldnt have been more disappointed
with most of his offense weapons in minis okung and obamanu facing his former team for a full half. wow was expecting more. I’m not buying the pre season excuse here. facing your former team at c-link big disappointment. what was are line doing? was i the only one who saw gallery lost a several plays?
Look like most of them were
From what I could see from my vantage point, Polumbus was getting abused, along with Unger. But hey, its the preseason in a shortened off-season. I’m just damn thrilled to be able to sit in my seat at the Clink this year
by Mighty_Mouse on Aug 20, 2011 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Paragraph 3: I'm pretty sure it was Johnson who caused the fumble
not Malcolm Smith
That's what I thought too, but the NFL.com site listed Smith with a FF. I'll make the edit.
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by Danny Kelly on Aug 20, 2011 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions
CW concerns
I still do not like Charlie’s looping delivery. When the pockets get tighter if/when he faces 1st team D’s I can see fumbles being caused by this. On the bright side his progression reads have come along way from the giants and ram games. TJ beware the clipboards coming for you.
by CgHawk360 on Aug 20, 2011 11:56 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
They didn't punt
to end Charlie’s night. Pat Williams dropped an easy one on 2nd then Durham dropped a tough one on 4th. And yes, it was definitely Johnson with the FF.
Oh but...
Smith did have a FF on a swing pass that went out of bounds.
by sandtosound on Aug 21, 2011 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
OH yeah, that's where it was.
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by Danny Kelly on Aug 21, 2011 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Charlie's stats tonight were pretty great, BUT
many of the plays they ran with him were short throws with some easy reads. If I remember correctly they ran 3 straight play action roll outs with a dump-off in the flats to Dorson Boyce. Whitehurst did make one great throw that impressed me, which was the pass along the sidelines to Durham. Besides that I felt like he had open receivers short and was able to quickly get the ball in their hands with little to no trouble. Can’t fault him for it, he was working with what he had and in my opinion he had considerably more open receivers and time to work with than Jackson had (I was at the game so I had a good view of the receivers downfield). I’m not trying to say one is better for the team than the other, because that is hard to tell right now and I’m certainly not a professional scout. Just suggesting we do what is most difficult for us as fans to do…avoid overreacting to some things we see and making quick judgments. Cheers everyone.
He was nailing the slant all night.
I think I know enough of hate/ To say that for destruction Rice/ Is also great/ And would suffice.
by shams on Aug 21, 2011 2:11 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Panthers fan here...
Would you guys be willing to trade one of your DT’s(Bryant/Cole) for MLB Dan Connor? We need a DT, and I think that you guys need a MLB since you cut Lofa.
Guacamole <3
by mangoes52 on Aug 21, 2011 12:16 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
uhm..i don't know how to respond
Is it that you guys never make trades, or is Connor not valuable enough?
Guacamole <3
We are wary of trading ANY Defensive Line help.
But we very much like someone coveting the quality studs we do have.
by Great Sergios Ghost on Aug 21, 2011 1:15 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd for the guacamole <3
The avocado is truly a magical fruit.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Aug 21, 2011 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Straight player-for-player trades almost never happen in the NFL and I don't know why people still fantasize about them.
Rosanne's husband.
I don't have a gun, but if I did, I would shoot a baby deer in the mouth and feel nothing. Louis CK
Sign that fucker immediately.
One Terrill down, one Jennings to go...
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by Wayward Llama on Aug 21, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I would but he doesn't roll on Shabbos
I don't have a gun, but if I did, I would shoot a baby deer in the mouth and feel nothing. Louis CK
by Lo Pann on Aug 22, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think this highlights the fact that this season is gonna get hideously ugly.
At least the mini experiments Carroll was executing (the 4 up the gut runs in the red zone, the constant returning of kickoffs instead of safe touchbacks) gave us some feedback on the potential our team actually has.
I didn't realise that the end result of the preseason game was so important
In fact, it might be a sound wake up call for our team, “Hey, we are actually not that good!”
Nice to see that everyone got out of the game uninjured, with some concerns with RSherman’s knee.
As for the QB situation, I’m resigned to the fact that TJax is gonna be the starting QB come week 1, barring injury. And he will stay there at starter this year. Better not start assuming at I’m a Tarvaris apologist, that really boils my brains. Neither QB (Jesus/TJAx) is a decent starting QB. I also doubt that Charlie will get a chance to start in any of the preseason games because of Carroll’s preaching of ‘continuity’, although it would be nice to experiment a but. It does feel eerily similar to how the FO handled the QB situation last season.
Awesome to see JM again, now to hunt down Shrug…
"Beware challenger
Thou hath angered Hawku fan
COME AT ME THOU FOOL"
by RagingAlot on Aug 21, 2011 1:19 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
It was nice to see CW step in
and leave the deer-in-headlights impression on the sideline. I get the sense he’s not having a ton of trouble with the new offense, albeit in slow motion against the 2nd/3rd string. Hill looked sharp and Kam is still looking pretty good. Saw a couple nice lanes open up on the right for the oline but they weren’t amazing in pass pro, and man did Polumbus get worked. I’m sending Okung’s ankle a get well soon card.
Wasn’t too impressed with Michael Robinsion. Ditto to the usual headaches, Jennings and Curry, and Tate. At this point I’d be happy to see Browner (or hopefully WT3), Wright and Baldwin run with the 1’s and forget those three ever existed.
There were definitely a lot of things to take away from this game.
Curry’s awareness is seriously lacking, both in coverage and when trying to remember whether or not it’s a good thing to tear another player’s helmet off and throw it away. That was pathetic.
Once again, Jenning’s had some serious mistakes that we can confirm were his fault. “Sticking like glue” and whatever positive points you might have to say for him are negated by the fact that he doesn’t know where the ball is when it’s thrown.
I’m not sure why people are confused that our OLine is sieve-like considering we have 2.5 rookies (Unger counts as the half) starting. The 9ers did this last year and we (or at least I) laughed at how poorly they played together for the first part of the season. We are doing it with lesser talent.
Poor tackling is an issue…again. On the 35 yard TD run, I’m not sure if you all noticed but one of our players flung himself in front of the guy right when he made the cut back to the right side. This says that he was expecting the guy to run straight into him. He should have trucked the ball carrier.
Hawthorne and Hill seem solid together. They appear to have a good rapport.
I’m liking our Safety positions and the talent we have there, but, like last week it seemed as if there was a time or two when someone should have had coverage over the top when there wasn’t. No specific examples come to mind, but if I go back I can try to find the examples. Also, I’m a fan of J. Johnson. I hope he sticks.
Earl Thomas + Mark Legree = Earl Gree. A new flavor of safety coming to you on Sunday's this Fall. They're gonna wake you up!
by Bobby Cink on Aug 21, 2011 2:08 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Curry played fine for the most part
The fact that the only times he was noticed was when ripping off a helmet (and returning a fumble) shouldn’t be used to judge his level of play.
Formerly Known As Vasilii
by Thomas Beekers on Aug 21, 2011 6:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Jeez
you’re up early.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
by dcrockett17 on Aug 21, 2011 6:21 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Definitely up late
It’s 4pm here now.
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 21, 2011 6:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Review his play again
He missed some signifigant situations. There was a missed read in the back field at one point, McNabb faked him hard w/ run and he missed McNabb roll out while pursuing the back of a RB. McNabb sweeps wide and past Curry, then dumps it off for a 1st (I believe). Going from memory at the game here, so don’t have Qtr/drive/down. It was a horrible play that shows his liability with being able to follow a football and anticipate situations. We saw this a fiew times last night. I expect you’ll notice this stuff more, as you rewatch the game for specifics. Look forward to your findings.
Meant to reply to Beekers w/r/t Curry playing well
failed in the reply…
I dunno if I'm going to do some footage review for the defense this game
I might.
Formerly Known As Vasilii
by Thomas Beekers on Aug 21, 2011 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Thanks for the thoughts tho
Will be something to keep an eye on if I do
Formerly Known As Vasilii
by Thomas Beekers on Aug 21, 2011 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Gnarly, I saw the same
More than once, Curry bit hard on fakes and crashed hard to the middle, providing zero edge containment, as the Vikes easily went around the vacant edges for good gains.
After watching the first team offense last night, I see why we got Jackson.
The line looked worse than last year last night, and we need a QB with the ability to run for his life because he’s going to need to.
Its quite likely
That you are correct.
I keep trying to remember that this is preseason and that we have a red shirt sophomore at center with two other freshmen on the same unit.
It could well get pretty ugly but the process of becoming great is going through the tough times.
Sadly these are likely to be ours this year O line wise.
by ChucklehutCynic on Aug 21, 2011 7:44 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Its like buying a car for a new driver
You get something that will be relatively safe but also that you wouldn’t mind collecting a couple of scratches.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Aug 21, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
The QB acrimony in the game threads seems misplaced to me
All the available evidence says that the ceiling for both TJax and Clipboard Jesus (Carlson, btw, is white Jesus) is league average starter, and that’s being gracious. Both these guys are placeholders on short-term deals, and both will see “meaningful” snaps in all likelihood.
The decision to declare TJax the starter makes perfect sense in a vacuum, and the decision-making context this off-season is as close to a vacuum as you’ll ever see. Theoretically, starting TJax means that the entire playbook is open from day 1. And since the backup QB sees so few reps during a normal season, much less a season where almost the entire o-line is new, most any coach would go with the QB who has experience in the offense. The talent/potential gap would have to be enormous to consider the other guy.
That’s not the same as a get out of jail free card for TJax. But right now, the o-line play is so terrible it’s difficult to evaluate him fairly. What he theoretically brings to the table is a pretty good arm and some improv playmaking ability. We haven’t had a chance to see that really because we can’t even run basic stuff yet. On the downside we know his reputation for not reading the field well, and we have seen that.
TJax’s a bit like having an all-bat, no glove right fielder. It only takes one inning in the field to see that his glove is gonna hurt you. But you need a much bigger sample of at-bats in game conditions to know whether he can hit his way past his defensive shortcomings.
For the record, I’m hyped that Charlie is playing well. As I said, both guys are gonna play.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
by dcrockett17 on Aug 21, 2011 6:28 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I know T-Jax needs the reps...
but I would like to see Charlie with the first team. Just to see if there is some hope there. That would also mean he would get to practice a bit with the first team. However, I would hate to see T-Jax get “jerked around”.
I don’t know, it’s pre-season. I am going to hold back all judgements until they get their asses handed to them by the 49ers in the first week. Just kidding.
The thing about Whitehurst
Is that he still appears to be very much a one-read QB. I actually think he’s doing a better job of delivering the ball now than he has in the past, but if you watch the replays, there’s almost never a second read for him. Now, I agree with you that we need to see him with the first team, but I suspect that he’ll be a little bit exposed if he starts taking those snaps.
In the interest of good QB play this season, I would be ecstatic for him to prove me wrong, though.
TJax on the other hand, has definitely been playing middling-to-poorly, but you can see him make more than one read (provided he has more than 2 seconds) when he drops back. I don’t know that that inherently makes him the better choice, but it’s something that’s been pretty clear between the two players. Portis actually seems capable of making more than one read also, for what it’s worth.
To my eye
it appears that CW is outplaying TJ.
Then I remember that CW is not playing the 1st team defenses that TJ is.
I would like to see this be flipped for a game just to see the outcome, but ComPete has spoken.
Bleh
by ChucklehutCynic on Aug 21, 2011 7:47 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm not seeing this
Over their careers, but have struggled making reads. Over these past two games, Charlie has looked better at it. It’s not the strength for either QB.
Formerly Known As Vasilii
by Thomas Beekers on Aug 21, 2011 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions
It still looks as though Charlie is locked eyes onto his receiver right now
Or at least the half of the field that his receiver is on. Due to tape delay I didn’t see as much of Jackson this week, though I certainly wouldn’t claim it’s a strength of Jackson’s either. Just that he seems to actually look at both sides of the field when he’s not running for his life. CW wins the pocket presence battle in a landslide though.
League average starter is a asking for a little much
We should just hope these guys are better than league average backups.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Aug 21, 2011 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
My take-aways
1. Using Forsett instead of Washington/Lynch on the goal-line series is something that won’t happen in the regular season, so while frustrating, I’m trying not to let it bother me.
2. The defense looked pretty dang good all game. Active, getting to the ball. Couple bad penalties hurt them, and Curry obviously needs to not get an unnecessary 15 – sure the OL was locked onto his facemask, but the ref didn’t actually call anything until he tossed the helmet.
3. Bryant looks healthy, mean, and ready to go. Good to have him back. Brock looks good too, and I think he spelled Bryant a couple times at end to good effect.
4. I’m starting to come around a little bit on Thomas Clayton, he hit the hole with some authority when he carried the rock, but I LOVE the way Vai Taua runs. Hopefully we see more of him this preseason.
5. Dorson Bryce looks somewhat like the return of Leonard Weaver.
6. I’m very worried about Tate’s place on this team considering the presence of Baldwin and Durham, both of whom have wildly outplayed him this preseason.
7. BMFMW. We missed you buddy. Don’t ever change.
Baldwin sure, but Durham?
“Wildly outplayed”? I’ve heard Durham’s name mentioned like four times in camp.
If you're not sure if there's a quarterback controversy, there is one.
Durham hasn't impressed
Practice squad maybe. I haven’t been huge on the guy in general, though
Formerly Known As Vasilii
by Thomas Beekers on Aug 21, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Still cant believe
They took em so early in the draft. And if he does get on the practice thatll jus reinforce that kinda thinkin cause hed clear waivers.
He made a couple good looking catches last night
But it was perhaps a little hyperbolic. I wouldn’t say Tate has stood out above Durham, how about that?
Baldwin looks like the real deal.
Durham's name hasn't been mentioned because he's been injured until recently
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Aug 21, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, he's had a bad hamstring.
I doubt they are going to release a guy they just spent a 4th round pick on. If any receiver is facing the firing squad right now, it’s Tate.
One Terrill down, one Jennings to go...
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by Wayward Llama on Aug 21, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Thoughts on your RB points
At the game, me and those around me were perplexed why we ran the Forsett goal line plays the way we did. Clearly not the player of choice for that play, and unlikely you run that play repeatedly. So what were they doing?
It was a deliberate test is all we could think. Then we saw the play of the other RB’s they recent;y brought in. Is there more to this than meets the eye? I suspect we will see some change in the RB position. I don’t think the coaches are happy w/ their short yardage options yet – despite oline play.
I think I saw something from Carrol in the post-game that said something like "it was just his turn"
So, yeah. I think the presence of Clayton and Taua show that their trying to find a short yardage option.
Washington, honestly, has looked pretty good in limited time though, I wouldn’t mind giving it to him on a short yardage play at this point.
One thing to notice about Charlie
is that you will see him throw the first 3 throws pretty high, as he did in this game. I distinctly remember his first two completions being close to not caught because he put so much zip on a ball that was placed too high. Past that though, he really did look quite solid. It seemed like the rest of his throws were pretty on point. Just worried that he might be prone to throwing picks at the beginning of games.
Earl Thomas + Mark Legree = Earl Gree. A new flavor of safety coming to you on Sunday's this Fall. They're gonna wake you up!
They need to be applauded for the way they've hung onto the ball.
Is it Wednesday ? As in turnover Wednesday. Seems to be working.
Jackson
I am so sick of people hating on our new qb…………….guess what Matt sucked at the end………it was time to move on…………big time! my daughter still wears his jersey and I will always love him…………but please people grow up………Jackson is here and regardless if its just for a season or 10 seasons the important thing is we are trying to get better…..we need a qb end of story…………..do people not remember matt getting sacked a million times last year cause he cant move?………..and no it was not his fault……but yes it is his fault for being old and slow runner…………now at least we are moving in the right direction……….we are trying to find a new qb………….is Jackson it? i dont know but……..the kid has a great arm and great legs give him a chance!
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Let's go ahead and
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One Terrill down, one Jennings to go...
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