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Seahawks Lose to Vikings 20-7: Some Quick Reactions

SEATTLE - AUGUST 20:  Head coach Pete Carroll of the Seattle Seahawks looks on during the game against the Minnesota Vikings at CenturyLink Field on August 20, 2011 in Seattle, Washington. The Vikings defeated the Seahawks 20-7. (Photo by Otto Greule Jr/Getty Images)

Last night I put together a less than 100% accurate and less than 100% serious piece on the game so today I wanted to give some real thoughts. Pete Carroll was pretty morose about the whole thing during his post-game press conference, which I thought was sort of curious. The master of positivity and enthusiasm noted that there 'weren't too many bright spots' and whether he means that or is just looking to motivate, I'm not sure. I was frankly pretty surprised with that reaction, as I left feeling ok about the game, but my guess is that he's most keyed in on the first team and their lackluster performance. The starters have yet to put points on the scoreboard and the offensive line looked a little lost at times, but I think there are some things to take away from this game to build on. I haven't gone back and re-watched it yet, but at first glance here are some things I noticed.

The first team defense:

The defense held it's own in the first half. I'm not saying they looked awesome but they managed to keep the Vikings out of the endzone. They didn't give up many big plays outside of a 17-yard pass from Donovan McNabb to Kyle Rudolph and a 23-yard play to Jim Kleinsasser on back to back downs at the beginning of the 2nd quarter. They managed to limit the Vikings to a 36 yard field goal with 6:37 in the 2nd and a 34-yard field goal with less than two minutes in the half. The Vikings defense capitalized on a pick-six but I'm ok with the defense giving up a mere 6 points against Minnesota's starting offense, especially when the Seahawks offense wasn't clicking.

In general, they limited scheme and responsibility breakdowns and that's something you can take away and work with.

This will be a tight end oriented offense. 

The Seahawks tight ends caught 9 passes for 67 yards. Dominique Byrd had 4 catches for 32 yards, Anthony McCoy, 4 for 24 and TD, and Zach Miller caught 1 pass for 11 yards. The Seahawks wide receivers combined to reel in 10 passes for 78 yards. Whether this trend continues remains to be seen and you have to take into account the first team's pass protection struggles when looking at these numbers, but I think it's safe to say the Hawks will be utilizing the, arguably, most talented position group on the team prominently. 

Dominique Byrd is doing his best to convince this front office that he deserves a roster spot and Anthony McCoy has looked pretty good in the first two preseason games. You forget that these two guys are the Hawks fourth and fifth options (assuming Cameron Morrah's injury isn't long-term) and, most likely, will be roster bubble players. The Hawks could keep four or five tight ends on the 53-man roster - Zach Miller, John Carlson, Anthony McCoy, Cameron Morrah and Dominique Byrd, but many people think it will be four maximum. I suppose this is a good problem to have, though I'm not looking forward to them making cuts here.

Star-divide

The safety position is shaping up to be an interesting roster battle.

Earl Thomas and Kam Chancellor are the two main locks. Mark LeGree would mostly likely have a spot on the roster after being drafted in the fifth round but that doesn't necessarily protect him from missing the cut. Jeron Johnson has played well in the preseason and is making a case for himself to make the final roster. Josh Pinkard is his main competition most likely and both Johnson and Pinkard caused fumble turnovers in the game last night, further strengthening their causes on a team whose motto is "it's all about the ball."

With the newly added Atari Bigby in the action now, there's going to be an odd man or two out. Past those players Ron Parker, Rickey Thenarse, Roy Lewis and few others will be competing as well. Again, it's a good problem to have and you have to take your hat off to John Schneider and Pete Carroll for creating these kinds of roster battles. We'll have more on this later this week for sure.

I know it's preseason, but the Seahawks need to cut down on penalties. 

The Hawks false-started three times in the first half alone (Miller, Williams, and Moffitt), and had a few other boneheaded plays, most notably Aaron Curry ripping off Viking Ryan Cook's helmet and tossing it to the sidelines. My initial reaction to this play is that if it were during the regular season, I'd be mad, but since it's preseason, I actually kind of liked it. I don't want to say it's tone-setting, but considering it looked like Cook started it, Curry sure finished it. He was penalized but I like the idea of our defense having some attitude. I'm probably wrong to do so, but I found myself smiling when he did that. It's not that I want James Harrison style cheap shots, but nurturing the dirtbag culture on defense is ok with me. Now is the time to lay out that 'don't take shit from no one' type of attitude, while the win and loss columns don't matter. 

Regardless, the Hawks finished the game with 10 penalties for a loss of 84 yards. That's simply way too much, but something that will likely improve with time. The offense still isn't totally on the same page but you can't be having false starts so often, especially while at home. Discipline will need to be addressed this week.

That's all I got for right now. I'll dive back in and revisit the game very soon and I'm sure I'll have a lot more to offer.

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I don't think I saw Legree play.

How did he do?

"Being number two sucks."-Andre Agassi

by dba on Aug 21, 2011 12:20 PM PDT reply actions  

He was in the last 2 defensive possesions

This doesn’t look good for LeGree, he seems to be the #6 Safety. All off-season it seemed like he’d have a role with the 1st team in certain situations but he hasn’t even been getting 2nd team reps so far.

by SeahawkNMD on Aug 21, 2011 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought it was strange

that after he was drafted, people were talking about Legree like a potential starter. He’s a division-II player, and those guys are lucky to get drafted. Still, I now find it strange that he isn’t getting many snaps at all in preseason. Who could have imagined we would have too many safeties on this roster??

"Football players are temperamental. That's 90 percent temper and 10 percent mental." - Doug Plank

by Stevo's on Aug 21, 2011 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why do you have Roy Lewis mentioned as a safety?

If you're not sure if there's a quarterback controversy, there is one.

by shams on Aug 21, 2011 12:25 PM PDT reply actions  

He's a corner but plays nickel... a lot of the Hawks corners are safey/corner hybrids.

Doesn’t really mean anything either way, he’s most likely PUP.

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by Danny Kelly on Aug 21, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I see the Curry penalty cited as if it is some kind of indictment against him

It was pretty boneheaded but ultimately meaningless.

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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 21, 2011 12:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Meaningless?

It’s just a continuation of how Curry plays: Boneheaded plays in preseason and the regular season. Same old same old. This guy doesn’t get it and won’t get it. So we can all be “cool” wiith it now, but when it happens in the regualr season, and it will happen in the regular season, don’t complain.

by Flahawker on Aug 21, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

No it's not

Curry’s problem has been with reading offenses and chasing blockers. Ripping off a guy’s helmet is a completely different kind of issue that we’ve never seen from him before or should expect to see again.

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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 21, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes, but isn't it great that

now that Aaron Curry is earning a rep as a bit of a bonehead, Leroy Hill is looking so much smarter in comparison! j/k!

"Football players are temperamental. That's 90 percent temper and 10 percent mental." - Doug Plank

by Stevo's on Aug 21, 2011 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Curry has always kind of had that intense streak to him.

During his debut game against the Rams, he got in it with Stephen Jackson several times after plays.

The beatings will continue until morale improves!

by HopScotch on Aug 21, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah, I remember that.

I was so pumped to see that.

One Terrill down, one Jennings to go...
Follow the llama tail

by Wayward Llama on Aug 21, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

2011: Building the Trenches.

by Misfit74 on Aug 21, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Miller seemed inconsistent blocking...

I know he blew the block that blew up Force on 3rd and goal, and also the false start. Think he whiffed on a block in pass pro.

It seemed like a bunch of calls (non-pre-snap reads, line calls) were a little too vanilla. Seemed like RBs and TEs rarely, if ever, chipped a DE. I saw the motion TE/WR hit the OLB/DE a couple of times, but not too often. I know they probably want to see how much the young OL can handle, but shouldn’t part of that be adjusting to more reads/realistic line calls?

by PerryCollective on Aug 21, 2011 12:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Inconsistent but not bad

Saw him hold one-on-one against DEs at times.

Formerly Known As Vasilii

by Thomas Beekers on Aug 21, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I remember reading once....

(and yes this is unsupported, from memory, and wouldn’t hold up in a logical debate)….
but….

I remember reading that behind QB, OL required the most cerebral players on the FB field (scheme notwithstanding). The sheer volume of adjustments and split second reads truly requires knowing the plays, adjustments, reads, and defensive disguises instinctively.

Looking at the current OL, and the number of miscues, it almost seems natural that they wouldn’t have gelled yet.

Carp and Moffit are both rookies
Miller has been with us all of a month?… max?
Unger… seeing game speed action for the first time in 2 years.

Anyone else see it this way?

by iverson2169 on Aug 21, 2011 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

You what I can't remember though....

is whether or not it was thought to be a prerequisite for the two positions or merely a statistical coincidence.

by iverson2169 on Aug 21, 2011 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

It also might be an artifact of other stuff.

My thought is that because the line doesn’t require as much extra training in terms of hours and hours of practice (it does require you to be big and to work out a lot but everyone in the NFL works out a lot), it brings in guys who spent some of those hours and hours doing something else. Getting smart for example. It wouldn’t surprise me if it turned out that if you compared the IQs of, say, centers in basketball, LOOGYs in baseball, and heavyweights in boxing, all those guys would on average be smarter than their cohorts.

I will say this: offensive linemen nearly always give the best interviews. I’m honestly a little surprised there aren’t more former O linemen who went on into broadcasting. Dan Dierdorf and John Madden spring to mind, and I am waiting for Pete Kendall (that guy was pretty damn funny when he first came into the league) but I would almost expect something like FOX Sunday to be dominated by QBs and offensive linemen. And yet those annoying skill players get in there a lot.

by Johnny Slick on Aug 21, 2011 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

regarding your second paragraph, i agree about the skill position TV, but it probably has most

to do with the attention seeking behavior that is exhibited by prima donna DBs and WRs, which makes for more exciting and/or divisive opinions, even if they are not necessarily logical statements.

Smashmouth is the new sexy!

by pqlqi on Aug 22, 2011 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Curry is nurturing his own culture of being an overdrafted knucklehead

That play doesn’t make the D look tough, it make it look vulnerable to baiting.

by lemonverbena on Aug 21, 2011 12:40 PM PDT reply actions  

As much as the big plays are fun to watch and memorable

There’s also a lot that goes on in the defensive backfield that we don’t see. Are the DBs staying true to their assignments and playing solid coverage? Are the safeties making plays because they’re in the right position and have good ball skills or because they’re taking too many chances and making risky plays? Big plays are fun and exciting but they, alone, didn’t keep Babs in a teal uniform.

Just one more thing to keep in mind as the roster cuts near.

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Aug 21, 2011 12:47 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't care about the penalty, but I do care about Curry's play.

He needs to play smarter and locate the ball better. I get frustrated when he engages blockers when his job is to get past them and when he follows the player w/out the ball as he did on the mis-direction play that he was burned badly. Pretty sure he had ZERO tackles in the game, too. I have high hopes for him but would like to have seen more by now.

2011: Building the Trenches.

by Misfit74 on Aug 21, 2011 1:17 PM PDT reply actions  

He's played Sam for years

And his job as our Sam last year was exactly to engage blockers. Now he’s asked to play Will, a relatively block-free position in our defense.

I’m not sure about the switch. Hopefully we’ll see a writeup about it later.

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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 21, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought he was staying SAM to use his power vs. TEs on the end of the line?

Is he playing both? I also look forward to learning more about this.

For clarity, the play I was referring to was on a wide, outside run/swing well away from the line. He did ‘contain’ but seemed content to be blocked rather than shed and tackle or pursue. It’s a theme, or sorts, for Curry that I’d like to see changed.

2011: Building the Trenches.

by Misfit74 on Aug 21, 2011 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I almost missed it too

Duke pointed it out last week, it looks like Hill plays Sam and Curry the Will. It’s an experiment worth keeping an eye on.

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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 21, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Speaking of penalties

Does anyone else think it kind of cheapens the stat to be adding preseason infractions to the ‘false starts since 2005’ tally at the stadium?

by bdf128 on Aug 21, 2011 1:38 PM PDT reply actions  

At least it is consistent

That thought ran through my head when I was sitting there but I assume they are counting them everywhere during preseason so it’s probably a wash.

by Brian Welcker on Aug 21, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Keep going Curry

I like the way Curry did. If Seahawks do not play strong and violent, SB will never go to Seattle

by seahawkgo on Aug 21, 2011 1:42 PM PDT reply actions  

maybe not dumb. (though some say Harrison is pretty dumb)

But ask the Steelers about violent and strong. They’re known for cheap shots and they’re regularly one of the best defenses in football. that’s why I didn’t mind what Curry did. Not saying he’s elite at this point though…

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by Danny Kelly on Aug 21, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

They can be cheap shot artists

but Dick LeBeau is on a whole different plane of reality than Gus Bradley.

One Terrill down, one Jennings to go...
Follow the llama tail

by Wayward Llama on Aug 21, 2011 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fair.

And to be clear I’m not advocating we all just learn to be cheap shot artists, simply saying the culture of badassness and intimidation is something to strive for.

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by Danny Kelly on Aug 21, 2011 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tossing an opponent's helmet is intimidating?

I think an opponent sees that and thanks the idiot for 15 and a first. Not to mention that it probably gets Curry tossed in a regular season game.

by lemonverbena on Aug 21, 2011 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Come on now. It wasn't like Curry just came out of nowhere and tore the guy's helmet off.

They were jawing at each other and Curry escalated things. Yes, that still gets you a PF and maybe tossed out of the game. That’s not, like, just full-on thuggery or something though, it’s standing up for yourself so that guys are less likely to do cheap crap at you during the regular season.

by Johnny Slick on Aug 21, 2011 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

malcom smith

played pretty well last night. Raible and Moyer were hypin him up on the radio broadcast.

by Hawkituptoexperience on Aug 21, 2011 1:59 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Random observation that kinda irked me

On the punt after the Vikes first possession, you can hear a coach shouting “you got room, you got room!” Golden Tate catches and wants to run back but is immediately swarmed.

Maybe it’s just me, but our special teams have been kind of unimpressive so far

Formerly Known As Vasilii

by Thomas Beekers on Aug 21, 2011 2:36 PM PDT reply actions  

It's not just you. I've had the exact same thought throughout both preseason games.

Earl Thomas + Mark Legree = Earl Gree. A new flavor of safety coming to you on Sunday's this Fall. They're gonna wake you up!

by Bobby Cink on Aug 21, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Something that bled through all the strings of the defense was god-awful play recognition.

Which by and large I understand. This is a really inexperienced defense that’s bound to have some growing pains. I swear if an opponent throws more than three screens at us a game I’m going to blow an artery.

by SgtSasquatch on Aug 21, 2011 2:59 PM PDT reply actions  

Doctors do not recommend the 2011/2012 Seahawks season if you have a family history of alcoholism

Seriously, I have a feeling you can take my 2010/2011 average beers consumed per game metric and multiply it by 1.333 this season. Pencil it in.

by jhmg16 on Aug 21, 2011 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

A few observations:

- a Seahawk was tackled late near the Seattle side-lines and Red takes a swipe at the guy.

- Hill looked good – a couple of pretty tackles on Peterson

- both Wright and Browner missed key tackles that would have prevented first downs

- you have to wonder about the goal line offense – 3 straight running plays taking the ball out of TJax’s hand. If this was the regular season, that would scream a lack of confidence on your QB. Yesterday, I don’t know what it means. It would have been a good opportunity to quiet some of TJax’s critics (me, for instance) by calling some kind of PA with a roll out and maybe run it in for a TD.

- CW was throwing to Durham, a rookie in his first NFL game, Pat Williams, a practice squad guy, and as Danny has already pointed out, a TE way down on the depth chart. That straight up drop by Williams was disappointing, and won’t help his case. That last slant for an incomplete to Durham should have been called for holding – the DB was clearly hanging on to his jersey as he attempted to make the reception.

by Hawksince77 on Aug 21, 2011 4:07 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Carroll is racking up some weird (and unsuccessful) short yardage/4th down calls

But I honestly don’t see this as lack of confidence in the QB. Not in preseason. My guess is he wanted to prove a point to the offensive line: you have to be able to bang it in from 1st and G at the 2.

by lemonverbena on Aug 21, 2011 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I feel like..

Marshawn should be our goaline back. Then I saw his interview and was like, this guy should not be allowed to play or drive a car right now.

by dogsho on Aug 21, 2011 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

The Penalties

Curry’s penalty, and the others in the game, will drive Pete nuts. That’s a big part of what he was referring to in his presser when he commented about the Hawks making it easy for the other team. He was NOT happy with Curry at all.

by sc85sis on Aug 21, 2011 5:08 PM PDT reply actions  

The trouble with starting CW next week...

…is that he won’t be playing against the same two defenses that TJax did, and therefore, any game comparison won’t be valid.

Just for argument’s sake, what if San Diego and Minnosota field the two finest starting defenses in the league, and Denver one of the worst. CW lights up mile high, and everyone thinks he is better, but it wouldn’t be a fair comparison.

Point being, the coaching staff has a (re)decision to make, assuming this trend continues (TJax plays poorly, CW plays well). And I see no reason for the trend to change. All of TJax’s exuses from last week didn’t come into play yesterday: he had Seattle’s super-studs on the field (BMW, Miller, Rice); the o-line practiced together; TJax had an entire week and presumably most of the first team practice snaps; he was playing at home (a real plus); and finally, the reason he was named the starter to begin with had to do with his familiarity with the playbook and his rapport with Rice, all of which added up to very little on the field.

by Hawksince77 on Aug 21, 2011 6:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Did you watch the same game that I did?

TJ probably had less time this week than last. The OL played considerably poorer against the 1st team defense this week than it did last week. He may not have played well or even average, but you can’t say he had no excuses.

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Aug 21, 2011 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Excuses can continue to be made, they can be found every game (see last year)...

…but at some point it will become apparent that TJax cannot consistently play the position at an average NFL level.

Until then, let the excuses continue to fill blog-space.

by Hawksince77 on Aug 21, 2011 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he was pressured a lot.

But let me ask a question… and this is hard given the way TV games are presented, rarely showing downfield coverage… but has T-Jax executed a play to his first option yet? or even his second option? it seems like the minute he feels pressure, he’s checking down or scampering out. i can’t remember seeing a 3- or 5-step drop and then THROW. That is some thing i’ve seen Charlie (and Portis, even) doing. of course, they’re doing it against 3rd team secondaries. but really, had T-Jax had one play executed that wasn’t a check down? how is it possible that nobody is EVER open? this offense isn’t about dropping back and waiting for options is it? maybe it is, maybe i’m missing the boat. Thomas, can you set me straight here?

Beast Mode, fo' real.

by Lucas Cervi on Aug 21, 2011 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes.

Second play of the game had a clean pocket, T-Jax threw it to Miller for 11.

Second play of the 2nd drive, McCoy breaks letting the pass rusher come free, by design, T-Jax hits him for 8.

Dunno off the top of my head if either was a 1st read, but neither was a checkdown

That’s from the first two drives I happen to have notes on. There are more examples available if you want to look for them.

Formerly Known As Vasilii

by Thomas Beekers on Aug 21, 2011 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with the dropback and release methodology.

but it seems that TJax is not the 3-5 step quick release guy yet. Whitehurst looked much better just dropping back and releasing as soon as the back foot plants. I haven’t seen this much from TJax yet. You guys do make some good points about the offensive line and the secondary that Whitehurst is throwing at instead of 1st team. Going to hold judgment on Tjax till I see a complete game against an average D.

by Seahawk_Superbowl on Aug 21, 2011 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

All due respect

but your posts about the QB controversy are a little hard to take seriously at this point. You started with a conclusion based purely on your opinion (CW is a better option that Tarvaris), and you’re working backwards from that conclusion to find evidence that supports it at the expense of logical and rational analysis.

I like reading your take on things, but I can’t help but point out how lopsided your approach to this has been so far. Again, no disrespect intended.

by jhmg16 on Aug 21, 2011 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's really more of a thought process then a logical argument, and it was prompted by some fan's call to have CW start next week.

I am suggesting that starting CW against Denver won’t provide conclusive support for one QB or the other.

Even if CW starts the game with the firsts and plays well against Denver, that won’t conclusively prove he is the better QB.

In two games, CW has played well. In 2 games as the starting QB, TJax has played poorly. I am asserting that this pattern is likely to continue based on the nature of TJax’s poor play, along with his professional history. I am also pointing out that all of the excuses for his poor showing last week no longer apply (or apply to a far lesser degree). It also seems that CW has turned a corner of sorts, and is showing consistent competency he hasn’t shown in the past (although we have seen flashes before).

Bottom line: whether CW starts next week or not, the coaching staff has the same (re)decision to make. They have to judge what they have seen, how the players have performed, and place that judgment within a complete context you and me don’t have (game situation, play called, full-field analysis, commitments made, etc. etc.)

by Hawksince77 on Aug 22, 2011 6:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

So my first impulse is to respond to the football substance of this comment. My second thought was WTF?

“…but your posts about the QB controversy are a little hard to take seriously at this point.” “I can’t help but point out how lopsided your approach to this has been so far.”

With all due respect, why make any personal comments at all? Even if you have read every post I have ever made regarding the QB position with the Seahawks (highly unlikely) you would be hard pressed to find any that are simply unsupported assertions or pure hyperbole. For the most part, I don’t write anything unless I think I have something new to contribute to the (football) discussion.

I am a long-time fan who lives a long ways away from Seattle and claim no more authority then the next casual fan who watches the games and reads internet articles and blogs, and occasionaly comments. Does it matter to me (or anyone else) how seriously or not seriously you take what I write, or how lopsided you think my comments? The answer would be no. I want to read and write about football, as do most people here. Am I ever right about anything? Maybe, who knows. It doesn’t matter to me, one way or another. I don’t have to be right, and won’t ever take offense to a disagreement, especially one that has been reasonably argued or that brings new facts/observations to the discussion. I welcome it.

The personal simply seems out of place.

by Hawksince77 on Aug 22, 2011 6:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

biggest thing i took from the game:

I’m not sure that Carrol’s players and bradley’s scheme fit together. The big, physical guys that fill defensive roles are more suited to a strong and powerhouse defense not a bend-dont-break one. The players we’re getting might have specific rols but the also are big and physically superior to most at their [position. This leads me to think a defense more similar to a hard nosed, line-in-the-sand type defense would be better. I’m thinking we see a new coordinator next season. Pete’s got to have someone in mind….

by PA hawkfan on Aug 21, 2011 6:39 PM PDT reply actions  

As I understand,

Bradley is calling the plays but the scheme itself is Carroll’s. At least it explains why there are familiar failures such as the usual 7-deep MAX PREVENT on every third down, that have carried over since before Pete was here.

One Terrill down, one Jennings to go...
Follow the llama tail

by Wayward Llama on Aug 21, 2011 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you think there's such a thing as "7 deep max prevent"

that’s been here since before Pete, you’re not paying attention. In the base defense, the goal is to have big corners that play aggressive man press coverage with ET (or maybe Legree) playing deep middle field. When we played soft zone coverage last year it was because (a) we didn’t have the personnel for it and (b) the personnel we did have were often injured (Nate Ness started a game for us). You can’t play aggressively with your corners when they suck.

The 7 DB “bandit” package is one of the more exciting elements of the scheme. It allows for complex blitz schemes and coverage packages, enabling the defense to play aggressively.

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Aug 21, 2011 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was talking about how Bradley has been playing soft zones

for quite some time, especially on third downs which result in the oh-so-unsurprising enemy team gaining 8 yards on a 3rd and 7 multiple times a game. That will hopefully change this year, kind of like how the Seahawks sniffed out a screen play for the first time since 2006. Yes, I’m quite aware (and fond) of the bandit package

The max prevent thing is obvious hyperbole on my part, since I apparently have to explain that.

One Terrill down, one Jennings to go...
Follow the llama tail

by Wayward Llama on Aug 22, 2011 4:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

I suggest both of you lighten up.

 if you can’t see sarcasm without that idiotic font, then I can’t help you.

One Terrill down, one Jennings to go...
Follow the llama tail

by Wayward Llama on Aug 22, 2011 3:54 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

im thinking him surviving the cut from last season

and bates not is because we knew we could get bevell in here, and T.jax knew the offense. Nobody on defense would know the new odefense (cause no top defensive coaches were available willing to be defensive coordinators and also having a good/young couple players to bring in.) I’m thinking a new coordinator will be in store. If not, i have no hope for our team no matter the roster changes. Bend dont break defenses dont work. Theladt one to make it to the superbowl using it was the hawks in 2005 but it mainly worked cause of the domination presented by the offense making other teams one dimmensional as they played catch up. I love Pete and J.S, but the smashmouth, line-in-the sand defenses are the ones that win. Pats, Steelers, Ravens, Jets…. they all have wonderful defenses, none are “bend dont break.” In my opinion, a “bend dont break” scheme sounds like “We’ll let you march down the field, but once you get in the redzone, good luck.” the problem is, with the developing talent in the league within wide outs, tight ends, and Qbs, defenses cant shut everyone down when they’re giving up the short passes. There’s too much ability after the catch to effectively use this type of defense. It might have been effective in the past, but the N(ot)F(or)L(ong) is changing and a defense that can make a big play to turn the tide AND consistantly force 3 and outs and quickly end drives is a must. We’re developing the athletic freaks to be able to do that so i cant see the bend dont break staying.

by PA hawkfan on Aug 21, 2011 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

where are they

two years ago you knew the team than we got a new coach who said i am not here to make
over the team 90%of the players from than are gone and a lot of the main player’s why please some one tell is this not makeing over the team in just two years

by cws on Aug 21, 2011 11:37 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Because those were just words?

What did you want him to say? “Well, the Holmgren regime was fine and all but I’m going to strip it bare. I figure we’re going to go 6-10 the next 3 years. By the way, I hear season tickets are the same price. Man, sucks to be you guys.”

by Johnny Slick on Aug 21, 2011 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rec'd for the funky structure of this comment

As for the content; regardless of PR statements, this has been a rebuild since Pete walked in the door. Two years ago we knew the team: they sucked and were weighted with vet contracts. Now they’re young and cap-healthy. I’ll take it.

by lemonverbena on Aug 22, 2011 7:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hey, all. My observations after watching the Hawks//Vikes are as follows:

If the regular season was going to be played in its entirety by every teams’ 2nd and 3rd-string players, we would be 16-0.

Unfortunately, the season is going to be played with 1st-stringers, so we will likely be 0-16. The first-team, especially first-team offense, sucks big donkey dick. When are we going to end the pain that is watching Jackson play? The only way to solve this once and for all is put CW in with the first-stringers (like TJ has been doing – and stinking it up) and TJ in with the second/third stringers (playing against 2nd/3rd string competition like CW has been doing – and lighting it up). If CW shines and TJ stinks, there should be no more QB controversy – period. If CW stinks and TJ shines, then we will defer to Pete’s observation that what we have here are two very mediocre QBs where – all other things being equal – TJ should start because of the “familiarity with Bevell” card.

Pete should make his final cuts NOW and play his starters the rest of the way, because MAN, do they need the practice.

Mike Williams, Rice, and Gallery just look like they are going through the motions. This looks bad, going forward. The only “guaranteed roster-makers” that looks like they give a shit are Brock, Bryant, and, ironically, Hill.

by Chief Knockahomer on Aug 22, 2011 5:20 AM PDT reply actions  

????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

If you are going to disagree with me…fine. Something…anything…would have been better than this nonsensical attempt….at….humor?

I would have even preferred the standard retort that I usually see here..you know, the old feigned optimism in the face of cold, hard, reality…something probably like..“Dude, were you even watching the same game as everybody else? TJ is awesome, and don’t you dare question the heart of BMW, Rice, and my boy Gallery!”

by Chief Knockahomer on Aug 22, 2011 7:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dude, were you even aware these are pretend games?

TJ isn’t awesome but he could be all right. Take a breath and give it longer than 16 days in uniform before writing him off.

by lemonverbena on Aug 22, 2011 7:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Better. Better.

BTW, cancer is not a funny response to any comment. My girlfriend has liver cancer. Not funny…..dude/bro/homes…whatever.

by Chief Knockahomer on Aug 22, 2011 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sooo, you're saying..

…there’s a chance?

Confuscius say- "Baseball wrong. Man with four balls cannot walk."

by Outside Contain on Aug 22, 2011 5:23 AM PDT reply actions  

Gosh darn it!

I gone and made a reply fail all of a sudden.

Confuscius say- "Baseball wrong. Man with four balls cannot walk."

by Outside Contain on Aug 22, 2011 5:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

I found myself a little impressed with that Minnesota squad.

I really liked their draft, but like everyone else from a distance their offseason & chances look like an old team that lost a lot of key free agents. How can you lose Rice & Edwards and not get worse?

By playing the Seahawks, that’s how. The level of our play probably made them look good, but in the immortal words of AC/DC, Who Made Who? You just can’t be sure. But they looked good to me. I know Football Outsides doesn’t project them to do very well, and yeah it could fall apart with so much age, but until those veterans start to get IR’d, they’re a very solid veteran squad and they could have a pretty good year this year.

Head of catering.

by jacobstevens on Aug 22, 2011 12:29 PM PDT reply actions  

So of course I'd constrain whatever kind of implications that has on our squad.

Bottom line we all saw it, the line is far, far from a finished product. In the regular season that would hamstring the entire team and make the average-at-best defense look like a bottom feeder to match the hapless offense. There’s still time to improve by week 1, but the first half of the season will probably play differently than the second half.

Head of catering.

by jacobstevens on Aug 22, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

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