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53 Man Pick-Up: Projecting the Seahawks' Opening Day Roster

Under the new collective bargaining agreement, the number of players a team can bring to camp has been expanded to 90, a change no doubt welcomed by head coach Pete Carroll. Since taking over captaincy of the good ship Seahawk, Carroll has shuffled through his inherited roster like an over-caffeinated blackjack dealer, and the roster enlargement has allowed he and general manager John Schneider to bring even more potential players into the competition arena.

On Tuesday, that 90 must be trimmed to 80, and for ten hopefuls, the callousness of the NFL will be made quite clear. I'm not going to try and predict the ten players who will be let go tomorrow, mostly because anyone who is cut loose then wasn't going to make the final* 53 anyhow. Instead, I'm going to use it as an opportunity to predict the 53-man squad that Seattle will take into opening day in San Francisco.

*"Final" is not the most accurate word, per say. It is, however, a workable term for all intents and purposes related to this post (and is also alliterative if read out loud. I'm all about alliteration).

Any time an article like this is written, it involves a certain amount of risk on the part of the prognosticator. Roster management is not a science, and the number of players kept at each position vacillates from year to year depending on scheme, salary, and personnel. The 2011 Seahawks are no different, as the depth charts portend to be as volatile as can be. With that in mind, remember that the following predictions are subjective and neither my charming personality or gigantic biceps are indicative of my roster acumen.

Of course, these projections are subject to change should someone get hurt or traded. (Author's note: This was written pre-Kelly Jennings trade)

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Quarterback (3) -- IN: Tarvaris Jackson, Charlie Whitehurst, Josh Portis OUT: No one

~ Seattle has only considered the above trio as potential QBs and, barring injury, aren't likely to bring anyone new in to compete for a roster spot (although I still wish Nate Davis was given a chance). This will be the most boring positional group in the article, which is a nice change.

Running Back (4) -- IN: Marshawn Lynch, Leon Washington, Justin Forsett, Michael Robinson OUT: Dorson Boyce, Thomas Clayton, Vai Taua

~ I'd love to see Tommy Guns make this team, but with three proven halfbacks already fighting for touches, there's just no room for him. Robinson's versatility and knowledge of the system make him the de facto fullback, although I'm a little disappointed Seattle didn't bring in a bruising lead blocker to challenge for that spot. JS/PC have had Taua on a yo-yo throughout camp, which doesn't bode well for him sticking around, although I see him surviving tomorrow's chop. Dorson Boyce doesn't even sound like a real person.

Wide Receiver (6) -- IN: Sidney Rice, Mike Williams, Golden Tate, Ben Obomanu, Kris Durham, Doug Baldwin OUT: Chris Carter, Isaiah Stanbeck, Ricardo Lockette, Brandon Smith, Patrick Williams PUP: Deon Butler

~ Rice and Williams are no brainers, and frankly so are Tate and Obamanu. There has been a lot of rabble-rousing going on regarding the cutability of Tate, but I chalk that up as over-reaction to pre-season performance. Since that statement is likely to cause some commotion in the comments section, I'll take a minute to explain why I feel this way. While Golden has yet to approach his considerable potential, he is still a sizable investment hand-picked by the current front office. He is an extremely raw athlete who is still learning the nuances of his position, and attempting to do that at the highest conceivable level.

I'll admit that Tate seems to be in or around Carroll's doghouse, but there just isn't anyone on the outside of this group with the play-making potential that Tate possesses and there's no visible benefit to cutting him outright. Baldwin is the surprise of this group and his performance thus far seems to have solidified his spot on the roster. He and the recently extended Obomanu threaten to take playing time away from Tate, to be sure, but again, aren't likely to eliminate him completely.

Durham hasn't made much of a splash yet, but he seems to be doing everything that's been asked of him and offers the size and strength that Carroll values so highly. Stanbeck is a fan favorite with great athleticism, but is in the unenviable position of of fighting for a roster spot on a team that doesn't need him. I expect him to be snatched up by someone else. Lockette's athleticism will keep him in the fold on the practice squad, I would think, but he has yet to show legitimate receiving skills to compliment his fantastic straight-line speed.

Tight End (4) -- IN: Zach Miller, John Carlson, Anthony McCoy, Dominique Byrd OUT: Jameson Konz*, Ryan Travis PUP: Cameron Morrah

~ I'll be honest, I'd really like to see Seattle move forward with just three TEs, as that would open up a spot for an extra offensive lineman or defensive back, but Carroll's penchant for two-TE sets seems to necessitate a fourth. In theory, Miller and Carlson provide a quandary for opposing coverage schemes, and that alone is a benefit for the 'Hawks, but it remains to be seen if the O-line can provide enough protection for that to matter. McCoy is a guy that I really like, and he seems much more comfortable this year than last. Byrd has been very good this pre-season, and it's hard to make a case against including him on the 53-man roster. Also, I won't be shocked if Schneider works out a trade involving Carlson.

*Konz has been seeing time as a defensive end.

Offensive Line (9) -- IN: James Carpenter, John Moffitt, Max Unger, Robert Gallery, Russell Okung, Tyler Polumbus, Paul McQuistan, Mike Gibson, Paul Fanaika OUT: William Robinson, Zach Hurd, Brent Osborne, Lemuel Jeanpierre, Breno Giacomini (Giacomini remains in the running for the Most Italian Name Ever award)

~ The O-line is a positional group that has seen a lot of variation in the number of guys carried. Last season, the Seahawks kept 11 OLs, as injuries haunted the unit like the memory of a gravely sinful past. I'd like to see Seattle keep ten this year, but I don't really see an NFL-quality tenth OL on the current roster. The offensive line has been, well, offensive through three games and their collective inability to impose any sort of will on the opposition has kept us from seeing how good the rest of the offense is.

The rose amongst the thorns, however, is that this is a group (the starters, at least) that has been brought together with the next few years in mind. Okung, Gallery, Unger, Moffitt, and Carpenter are under contract for an average of 3.5 years, and I'd be willing to bet that Seattle is the only team that can make that claim. This season will see some ugly performances by the hogs, to be sure, but it's important to remember that this is a brand new group with the potential to grow and mature together. It's rare that a team can boast that sort of solidarity up front.

A lot of people be hating on Polumbus right now, and I'm not even going to defend him, other than to say that he is not being kept to be a starting tackle or guard. Rather, TP provides versatility to fill in somewhat competently at four of the five OL positions, and there is value in that. McQuistan and Gibson have shown enough to earn a spot on this team, at least, while I'll openly admit that Fanaika looks fairly interchangeable with Robinson or Giacomini.

Defensive Line (9) --- IN: Raheem Brock, Chris Clemons, Red Bryant, Brandon Mebane, Jimmy Wilkerson, Junior Siavii, Alan Branch, Pep Livingston, Dexter Davis OUT: Pierre AllenMaurice Fountain, Jameson Konz, David Howard, Teryl White, AJ Schable, Jay Alford PUP: Colin Cole

~ There is a lot to be gained by frequently rotating defensive lineman in and out of the lineup. Since the O-line remains fairly static throughout the game, bringing in fresh bodies to attack can give the defense an edge. Considering how much trouble Seattle has creating pressure without blitzing, they'll take every edge they can get, which is why I see them keeping nine D-linemen. Last year, Brock and Clemons showed some ability to harass opposing QBs off the end, and Red Bryant and Brandon Mebane can clog up a running game like a couple of stubborn bulls.

Whether all of that comes together remains to be seen, but regardless, those four are absolute locks for roster spots. The five depth positions are fiercely contested, but new deals for Siavii and Branch ensure their safety and Wilkerson has looked borderline explosive off the ball. Livingston and Davis are hunches (I originally had Fountain making it until a conversation with Danny reminded me that he's a 28 year-old rookie), based on my personal observations, but both are pretty expendable as well, I would imagine. Konz is an athlete without a position right now, and as much as I'd love to see him stick, I just don't see it happening.

Linebackers (6) -- IN: Leroy Hill, David Hawthorne, Aaron Curry, KJ Wright, David Vobora, Malcolm Smith OUT: Michael Morgan, Matt McCoy, Michael Johnson, Neal Howey

~ The first five members of this group seem to be locks, and to be honest, I could see Seattle opening up with only five LBs. However, Smith has been excellent so far and deserves a spot on the roster, if not meaningful playing time. McCoy is the heart-breaker here, as he provides sensational special teams coverage as well as linebacking versatility, but the acquisition of metric-sweetheart Vobora makes him expendable. I see him catching on elsewhere, however. As far as the regular rotation guys go, LB could prove to be a strength of the defense.

Even with Lofa Tatupu's departure, Seattle has a very high-ceiling collection of tacklers backing up the D-line. Hill's felonious past proved to be a blessing in disguise for the 'Hawks (I'm speaking purely in football terms, so don't get worked up), as Seattle was able to re-acquire him for a lot less money than his skills alone would demand. Curry, while restructured, is still the guy that was considered among the safest picks of the 2009 draft and if he can just figure out how to fit the last piece into the jigsaw puzzle, could be a heck of a player.

I love Hawthorne; the Heater is a missile hell-bent on making everybody regret everything and he is an absolutely sadistic joy to watch when he gets the ball-carrier in his sights. Wright has been arguably the most pleasant surprise of all the rookies, as his colossal frame hasn't hindered his nose for the football. In a few years, I could easily see Wright being looked back on as the steal of our draft. Vobora is custom-fit for playing OLB in a 4-3 scheme and I see him as a significant under-the-radar contributor this year. Morgan looks like the ideal linebacker on paper, but his inconsistent tackling / assignment-awareness will most likely relegate him to the practice squad until / if he gets his shit together from play to play. I'm not writing him off yet.

Cornerbacks (5) -- IN: Marcus Trufant, Walter Thurmond III, Richard Sherman, Brandon Browner, Byron Maxwell OUT: Kelly Jennings, Kennard Cox, Jesse Hoffman, Ron Parker PUP: Roy Lewis

~ Let me preface this by saying that I think that the constant bemoaning of Kelly Jennings is played out. Not quite Golden-Tate-doughnut-jokes played out, but overdone enough that I just roll my eyes whenever someone says that Jennings sucks. In my first draft of this article, I had Jennings making the squad because of his experience and athleticism, but I reneged after considering that JS/PC have no built-in loyalty to him and that he lacks the prototypical size that Carroll covets in his CBs. As Thomas reported last night, Trufant's contract encountered the cold, unforgiving blade of the current FO, effectively turning this season into a high-stakes contract year for the Truf.

If Marcus is truly healthy, I fully expect him to be the veteran leader this young group requires him to be. I believe that Trufant can still be a league-average #1 CB, and never underestimate the value of a league-average #1 anything in the NFL. Furthermore, I think WT3 is totally capable of negating big contributions from opposing #2 WRs as long as he stays healthy. Dude's got the quicks and instincts of a 2nd or 3rd round draftee and could be one of the better investments this team has made if he can remain uninjured. Sherman, by all accounts, is a workout junkie bent on proving that he can hang, and I see him making at least a couple of noteworthy plays this season.

Perhaps the biggest curiosity of the 90 guys invited to Seahawks Camp has been Browner, who looks like a WR that accidentally lined up on defense when he's out there. Still, his footwork has been clean and his wingspan must be a nightmare for opposing receivers when the ball is in the air. I have to think that Carroll gets a bit giddy when he sees his 6'4" CFL corner showing the agility of a 5'11" NFL cover man. As far as Lewis is concerned, I think that his return will mean the automatic removal of someone in the current secondary.

Safety (4) -- IN: Earl Thomas, Kam Chancellor, Josh Pinkard, Atari Bigby OUT: Mark LeGree, Jeron Johnson, Ricky Thenarse

~ No positional group will see the elimination of more talent than safety. This was far and away the most difficult list to decide on for me, as I see tremendous potential in Johnson and Field Gulls sweet`heart LeGree. It's almost too cruel that my projected roster only includes four safeties, but with the coaching staff's confidence in Pinkard to play the nickel, I just don't see room for Shaft LeGree or Johnson starting this season on the 53-man. That said, my guess is that both will be kept on the practice squad and will be one play away from snagging a game-day spot.

We all know and appreciate what we have in Thomas, and from everything I've heard, Chancellor has made enormous strides as a strong safety in the past year. While Pinkard definitely has a sense for forcing the issue, which is a great asset, I'd like to see him shore up his tackling a bit. Bigby is the guy I'm not totally sold on in this group. I get that he has experience, and that Schneider is familiar with him from his time in Green Bay, but when i watch him play, I see an exaggerated version of Jordan Babineaux -- a guy so eager to make the big hit or pick that he's often out of position to do either. Still, if LeGree or Johnson were doing enough in the coaches' eyes to justify a roster spot, they wouldn't have bothered bringing Bigby in in the first place.

While I'm here, let me just say that the most underrated aspect of the lockout is the stacking of the deck against late-round draft picks. Early-rounders are enough of an investment that they are generally granted clemency, but later-round picks and UDFAs are the ones most hurt by the lack of OTAs and early access to playbooks. It is my genuine hope that the borderline guys get a chance to prove themselves with increased exposure and education throughout the season.

Kicker (1) -- IN: Jeff Reed. OUT: No one who's still in camp.

~ I might have said this here before, but Seahawks fan Jacson is dismayed that Jeff Reed is Seattle's kicker; Seahawks writer Jacson, however, has found his muse.

Punter (1) -- IN: Jon Ryan OUT: John Gold

~ They're punters. Ryan's good. As long as he's good, no need to sweat it.

Long Snapper (1) -- IN: Clint Gresham OUT: No one

~ Long-snapper is the one position that makes you wish another positional player was good enough to handle it. Long snapper is akin to being a referee, in that you're never noticed unless you screw up. From what I can tell, Gresham doesn't screw up much, ergo, he gets an NFL paycheck.

Practice Squad (8) -- IN: LeGree, Johnson, Morgan, Hurd, Lockette, Taua, Osborne, Parker OUT: Everyone else

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Well, Jennings is gone.

I can’t believe we got something for him.

by BrianL on Aug 29, 2011 11:35 AM PDT reply actions  

Welcome to the Bungals

Where it’s all fun and games.

I'll say it again; BamKam will surprise this year.

by S_o_Smith on Aug 29, 2011 11:47 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

To be perfectly honest...

I’d rather see Jennings’ replacement(s) get burned than Jennings. At least there will be some hope for said DB(s) to get better; show a shred of ball-awareness/skills.

2011: Building the Trenches.

by Misfit74 on Aug 29, 2011 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jennings will do well in Cinci...

He needs a fresh start with a team that uses more man than we have the last few years. ET will be playing on a slot much more I believe due to this. Good luck to KJ

Respect goes a long way....

by Mangolover on Aug 29, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

You have Dexter Davis as both IN and OUT.

Does Pierre Allen make the PS?

Beast Mode, fo' real.

by Lucas Cervi on Aug 29, 2011 11:53 AM PDT reply actions  

They may very well go with Allen over Parker

For the practice squad. Your guess is as good as mine on that one.

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by Jacson Bevens on Aug 29, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nice article Jacson!

I think Allen makes the PS but I agree Safety will be a tough decision!

Respect goes a long way....

by Mangolover on Aug 29, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

In the light of day, I now see either Allen or Konz making the PS over Parker.

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by Jacson Bevens on Aug 29, 2011 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

However your final 53 is way better than 99%

would do i think. I include myself in that as well… It’s sort of like building your own custom house from scratch. After you were finished I guarantee you would have done a few things differently. Kudos to you for being cool enough to critique your own thoughts.

Respect goes a long way....

by Mangolover on Aug 29, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Good catch

As noted in the DL section, Fountain was a last-minute scratch from my list and replaced with Davis. I just forgot to remove him from the “OUT” list after the switch.
I’ve gone back and fixed it, thanks.

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by Jacson Bevens on Aug 29, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's Quantum Mechanics.

Scientists at UC Santa Barbara put Davis into two quantum states simultaneously, one on the team and one having been released. A second attempt appeared to have a third quantum state where he was sacking 2011 Seahawks QB Matt Hasselbeck as a situational pass rusher for the Cardinals, but the results were inconclusive.

Head of catering.

by jacobstevens on Aug 29, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I am a little disappointed...

that no one brought up the most credible possibility. The “Back to the Future” Phenomenon. The Dexter Davis you see in the OUT column is from the future when he is released.

by goatweed on Aug 29, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

But Dexter left the keys in the DeLorean

and so Tom Cable’s grandson came back, too. During practice after a blown block Biff Cable was knocking on Paul McQuistan’s helmet: “Hello, McQuistan!”

Head of catering.

by jacobstevens on Aug 29, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Paul finally gets the courage..

… to punch Biff in the face, who lands face first into a pile of Aaron Curry’s tweets. He hates Aaron Curry’s tweets.

by goatweed on Aug 29, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Craig Terrill's band stars at the Enchantment Under the Sea dance.

Ok boys, it’s a blues riff in G. Watch me for the changes, and…try to keep up.

If you're not sure if there's a quarterback controversy, there is one.

by shams on Aug 29, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

My favorite part

is when Dexter is trying to convince a younger Pete Carroll that he’s the coach’s star Leo pass rusher in the future. Carroll asks him, who’s the starting quarterback in the future.

Head of catering.

by jacobstevens on Aug 29, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd for knowing that the Center for Spintronics and Quantum Computation is at Santa Barbara.

Catering my ass.

If you're not sure if there's a quarterback controversy, there is one.

by shams on Aug 29, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I mean, I would have guessed Stanford.

They famously have their own supercollider. (And people say endowments grow too large.) I didn’t know this about UCSB. I also didn’t know their mascot— who can name it without googling?

If you're not sure if there's a quarterback controversy, there is one.

by shams on Aug 29, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Banana Slugs?

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by Jacson Bevens on Aug 29, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's Santa Cruz.

Good call though.

If you're not sure if there's a quarterback controversy, there is one.

by shams on Aug 29, 2011 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Watermelon Slugs?

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by Jacson Bevens on Aug 29, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Gauchos".

I’m too lazy to look up what that means, but I don’t think it’s Spanish for “steakhouse”.

If you're not sure if there's a quarterback controversy, there is one.

by shams on Aug 29, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hey thx man. I just remembered it from the

big story at the end of last year about the first quantum device visible to the eye that Aaron O’Connell & others produced last year. Pretty remarkable stuff.

Head of catering.

by jacobstevens on Aug 29, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is such a weird sub-thread.

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by Jacson Bevens on Aug 29, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

By definition.

“Anyone who is not spooked by Quantum Mechanics has not understood it.” — (not shams)

If you're not sure if there's a quarterback controversy, there is one.

by shams on Aug 29, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I think that was the same guy who came up with the Copenhagen interpretation.

Niels Bohr. So the new work seems to confirm that interpretation, but though I know little of this stuff, understand little of it, I’m still a little skeptical. I get that logic is fallible and it’s somewhat natural to doubt things that defy our intuition when our intuition may be the thing that has it wrong. I accept that the team did what they did with the quantum “paddle,” and it’s a remarkable achievement no matter what the interpretation is.

I just think the way it was sold at TED & in all the pop-sci media was about the implications, which I think are an inference we can’t be certain of. I would hope they’d not infer so much about the results, but Aaron O’Connell has high aspirations of being a Silicon Valley startup billionaire in the quantum computing field so they want to make a big deal about it. I know there’s a lot of possibility that they are correct, I just don’t think it’s been “proven” for lack of a better term, to the extent that it’s suggested.

Head of catering.

by jacobstevens on Aug 29, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

We've had stranger.

Most of them initiated by Scruffy!

by BrianL on Aug 29, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

WTF? My cat just died!

Hey guys— knock off the quantum experiments please!

by Kryten on Aug 29, 2011 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Actually, there's a 50% chance he's still alive.

It’s cool. He’s just existing in both a dead and an alive state for now.

"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)

by Johnny Slick on Aug 29, 2011 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

You should ask Deepak Chopra to resurrect him, then.

He knows all about quantum mechanics.

"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)

by Johnny Slick on Aug 29, 2011 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Haaaaaah

I friggin love Field Gulls…

Confuscius say- "Baseball wrong. Man with four balls cannot walk."

by Outside Contain on Aug 30, 2011 12:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah what's the status on Dexter Davis?

I’ve been wondering if they’re still high on him this year as I haven’t heard his name a lot.

Nice write-up.

by Fumanchuchu on Aug 29, 2011 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pete said in in an interview last week

That Dexter has a mysterious hip thing and they’ve been holding him out. He might have contracted hip scabies from Rice…I think you can find that on the Seahawks blog.com

Efren Herrera is my spirit animal

by BeaverBird on Aug 30, 2011 3:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Overall, pretty impressed with this list.

Think this year is going to be super tough for the front office in terms of deciding on positional number groups. LBs, OL, DL… gonna be tough.

Proactive-like-Nonstop
FIELDGULLS

by Danny Kelly on Aug 29, 2011 11:57 AM PDT reply actions  

To which I add;

Nice job Jacson, well done.

Proactive-like-Nonstop
FIELDGULLS

by Danny Kelly on Aug 29, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks.

I’m glad I don’t have to do it for real.

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by Jacson Bevens on Aug 29, 2011 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ya, I bet

Well thought out roster Jacson! I want us to keep Johnson and Legree but at least one of them. The Jennings trade threw me for a loop. There is a chance with ET being stud enough to play CB in situations that we keep a 5th safety rather than a CB.

Respect goes a long way....

by Mangolover on Aug 29, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd be okay with that

It would essentially be choosing LeGree/Johnson over Maxwell/Sherman. No clue what basis that decision will be made on, but it might be the toughest choice they make.

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by Jacson Bevens on Aug 29, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

How sure is Bigby?

trading Jennings is a move that help in the future not in 2011. So, that makes me think why keep Bigby over one of the rookies as well?

Respect goes a long way....

by Mangolover on Aug 29, 2011 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

What do you think Beekers?

Does Bigby make the final 53? It is cool seeing both Sherman and Maxwell showing some abilities.I was worried the lack of a normal Training Camp would hurt Legree but Johnson looks solid playing at a higher level at Boise St. I still think he makes it since he wont make it to our PS I feel…

Respect goes a long way....

by Mangolover on Aug 29, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm thinking Bigby doesn't last

But I’m very unsure about that

Formerly Known As Vasilii

by Thomas Beekers on Aug 29, 2011 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Watch none of them make it

and we pick up someone new on the 53 man cuts… I doubt it but who knows. I will be shocked at this point of both Legree and Johnson do not make the 53 man. CB is cool now too see Sherman and Maxwell both likely making it. I loved seeing when we jammed all 3 wideouts on the same play last game. I wana see more aggressiveness like that please!!!

Respect goes a long way....

by Mangolover on Aug 29, 2011 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would say "not a certainty".

Personally, I’d much rather see Johnson or LeGree snag the last safety spot, as I’ve been underwhelmed by Bigby thus far. Still, tough to discount the value of his familiarity with Schneider and the fact that he’d be the only safety who’s been in the league for more than a year.

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by Jacson Bevens on Aug 29, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jacson (again, where's the "k")....

I agree with you mostly. However, I don’t see Fanica or McQuistan (isn’t it Paul, not Pat?) making it in favor of the Itailian Stallion, Giacomini. Jeanpierre will make the practice squad. Morgan, Hurd, Osborne, and Parker are NOT going to even make the practice squad. Legree and Johnson WILL make the practice squad, as you predict (although it pains me, too, cause I love those two guys…but, never fear, we are gonna suck so bad that these guys will get “called up to the show,” to use a baseball term).

Forsett is trade bait, so Travis, Tau or Clayton makes the team, with the other two going to the practice squad.

Carlson is trade bait, too, thereby allowing Konz to stick around (until Morrah gets healthy, then Konz goes on practice squad) because, of his, as Derrick Zoolander would say, “versatility.”

We pick up a 5th and a 6th (along with a year’s supply of Top Pot doughnuts and some racy photos of Jessica Simpson doing what appears to be the nasty with Justin Timberlake) for Carlson and Forsett…the last two bastions of the Ruskell fiasco.

by Chief Knockahomer on Aug 29, 2011 11:58 AM PDT reply actions  

Carlson and Forsett as Ruskell screwups?

I’m afraid I just don’t see it.

We seem to have a lot of potential at TE, but I like the idea of having Carlson and Miller as a one-two punch. Same with Forsett. We have a collection of fair-to-middling RBs, but none are so good that it makes Forsett seem expendable. I suppose we could trade him for the right offer, but I don’t see that happening.

by Clendy on Aug 29, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Being drafted by Ruskell doesn not mean one is devoid of value.

Trades are always possible, but Carroll seems fond of Forsett and Carlson.

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by Jacson Bevens on Aug 29, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Really?

Pete and John would seem to want to beg to differ. Take a look around you. They are cleaning house. As Ben Franklin said, “Fish and visitors stink after three days.” With Carlson and Forsett – as far as Pete and John are concerned, anyway – it has been three days.

by Chief Knockahomer on Aug 29, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why on earth do you think that Carroll and Schneider are tired of Forsett and Carlson?

Besides the fact that they didn’t bring them in?

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by Jacson Bevens on Aug 29, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did you flag that comment?

Is the Ruskell hate so deep that even granting him the slightest reprieve gets the dreaded pink-slip?

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by Jacson Bevens on Aug 29, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was a flag of affection.

But on a serious note, you are absolutely right. Just because Ruskell drafted someone doesn’t mean they’re without value. That seems to be a point lost on a lot of people these days.

Clearing out everything Ruskell ever did isn’t necessarily a good thing.

by BrianL on Aug 29, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Is Ruskell responsible

For that awful glowing green eye graphic they play at the stadium on 3rd downs? Can we trade that?

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by Jacson Bevens on Aug 29, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Paul Allen still owns this team right?

He’s still a pentillionaire technology mogul right? Surely we can do better with our graphics…

I've got ridiculous upside.
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by Jacson Bevens on Aug 29, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Was everything Ruskell did wrong?

No credit for revamping our 2005 defense to help us go to our ONLY Super Bowl ever as well as our best 3-year run in franchise history? Just curious…

Respect goes a long way....

by Mangolover on Aug 29, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did Brian Russell help us go to our only Super Bowl?

We rode the Walrus to Detroit, man. One hand on each tusk, hanging on for dear life.

If you're not sure if there's a quarterback controversy, there is one.

by shams on Aug 29, 2011 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mora was all Ruskell.

If you're not sure if there's a quarterback controversy, there is one.

by shams on Aug 29, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Holmgren handed him a 4-12 team with Ruskell, remember?

And hired in him the first place.

Not saying it’s all Holmgren’s fault either, but there seems to be a tendency to place the failures of the last half decade on Ruskell and ignore how important Holmgren was to the equation.

by MT Olson on Aug 29, 2011 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Holmgren's drafting hurt what should have been the core of those Ruskell teams.

It’s not black and white. Both Holmgren and Ruskell played into what became the 2008 and onward Seahawks.

by BrianL on Aug 29, 2011 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

That is very fair

I give them both credit for the good years and credit for things going downhill. Our Drafts before Ruskell arrived were pathetic.

Respect goes a long way....

by Mangolover on Aug 29, 2011 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Neither seriously nor unseriously, nor in any other way, did I say that.

If you're not sure if there's a quarterback controversy, there is one.

by shams on Aug 29, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes you did.

Saying we rode Holmgren to Detroit is saying Ruskell wasn’t a factor. That’s inaccurate

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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 29, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, the "riding" thing is a silly all-or-none metaphor, I shouldn't have used it.

But mangolover— a poster I’m a fan of— uses our trip to the Super Bowl to block any Ruskell criticism, it seems. I think there is a case to be made that Ruskell fundamentally misunderstands the nature of the game as it’s played today. I think our success arrow tilts more towards “in spite of Ruskell” than “because of Ruskell”. But I tell you what, I’ll drop it.

If you're not sure if there's a quarterback controversy, there is one.

by shams on Aug 29, 2011 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I see both sides of things

Ruskell surely made mistakes as all GMs do, but I will forever remember the Super Bowl season and he was a large part of it. I guess I just get tired of people blaming Ruskell and jennings for everything bad football related…

Respect goes a long way....

by Mangolover on Aug 29, 2011 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Th Shams

I appreciate that and also appreciate your posts… Much love brotha… It’s cool to debate things on a fair level.

Respect goes a long way....

by Mangolover on Aug 29, 2011 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well...I may have implied it. But I don't think that's the case.

I think his tenure was mediocre to awful, but of his many moves of course some of them worked out.

If you're not sure if there's a quarterback controversy, there is one.

by shams on Aug 29, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Really only average his 1st 4 years?

1st year our best ever followed by 2 more strong contending teams which made our best 3 run ever. Then, we had more injuries anyone could ever remember any team having. The crappy thing Ruskell will be remembered for was the Hutch poison pill fiasco which the NFL never should have allowed and forever changed the way contracts were dealt with.

Anyways that is the past now PC definately has his own team and let’s get behind them and hope for our 2nd Super Bowl in 2013 or 2014 right?

Respect goes a long way....

by Mangolover on Aug 29, 2011 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Will you give me an "I'm sorry, Chief; you were right and I was wrong" if I'm correct?

I’m a man, here. I’ll do the same if both are on the opening day roster. If one is on the roster and the other is not, we call it even and give each other a fist-pump. Deal?

by Chief Knockahomer on Aug 29, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Anybody who thinks anything otherwise doesn’t get it," Carroll said. "I think those guys will play together in tandem. They’ll be on opposite sides. We’ll be moving them around for matchups and all kinds of stuff. I think it’s a great asset for us now."

I don’t think Pete has soured on Carlson that quickly, and Forsett has been getting his normal playing time for the preseason.

In fact, were Forsett to be kicked to curb (which I still don’t think will happen, but) it would almost assuredly be the re-emergence of Washington that made him expendable, not his individual failings or who drafted him. By contract, Forsett has been a pretty incredible value for the Hawks, wouldn’t you say?

by Kingdomer on Aug 29, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kingdomer (and, if you ARE bald, kudos to you cause that name is awesome),

There is so much wrong with your statement it is not funny.

First, your quote from Pete. I am not denying that Pete said exactly these words; I am denying that he was sincere when he said them. Consider what he said at the end of last season…something like…“re-signing Matt is our number one priority.” OK, Pete, tell us another one.

Second, I counted 21 snaps that Forsett was a part of all pre-season so far. Somebody correct me if I’m wrong (and I know you will), but that not a whole helluva lotta snaps for a roster “sure thing.”

Third, Washington has yet to re-emerge from anything other than a broken leg that would have made Randy Cotoure cry like a baby. Having Washington on the roster does not make Forsett expendable…Forsett’s lack of size, instincts, and one-cut-ability makes him expendable on a team whose offense line is likely to open up a hole for a maximum of 0.4 seconds a play…IF we are lucky.

by Chief Knockahomer on Aug 29, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not YOU again. Danny! DANNY!

BrianL is bothering me again! Make him leave me alone, please?

by Chief Knockahomer on Aug 29, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously, Danny....

I want you to forbid BrianL from talking to me…ever.

In return, I promise NOT to call him any of the names befitting him.

by Chief Knockahomer on Aug 29, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

.

Can’t we all just get along? (I’m going to go watch Barney).

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by Danny Kelly on Aug 29, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't see this as jerky.

Knockahomer had his lands forcibly taken away. He can be a little captious.

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by shams on Aug 29, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Forsetts lack of instincts?

Where the hell does that come from? Having played the position I find that to be a crazy statement since his instincts are off the chart. He gets the extra 2-3 yards 80% of the time compared to a guy like Alexander who lost 2 yards at the end of runs.

The only thing Forsett lacks is great breakaway speed but that is a luxury sort of like having a top closer in baseball. Being short is actually very beneficial in many ways for a RB but he is not small which is sort of why he is probably our best pass blocking RB we have.

Respect goes a long way....

by Mangolover on Aug 29, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Harvey?

I loved the Oilers (Pastorini,Kenny Burroughs, Ken Houston, Earl) back in the day but I am drawing a blank on harvey can ya refresh my memory?

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by Mangolover on Aug 29, 2011 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Didnt everyone play both

sides of the ball until at least High School? You can always tell the 1st year a guy plays RB as he runs too straight up. Hopefully he learns quick or shifts to another position.

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by Mangolover on Aug 29, 2011 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

What, high school?

Awwwwwwright then

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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 29, 2011 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Too small to play TB in College and was the wrong color….

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by Mangolover on Aug 29, 2011 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm fine with that

Mango colored people should all be gassed, I say.

Efren Herrera is my spirit animal

by BeaverBird on Aug 30, 2011 4:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rebutting with more courtesy than you seem to desire

First, the Seahawks did try to re-sign Hasselbeck. In good faith, I think, based on the reported amount of the deal. However, Hass wanted a multi-year deal, and the Titans were willing to give him one. Neither you nor I can speak to Carroll’s absolute veracity or what’s in his heart of hearts, but I don’t think he says things just to say them. Nor do his action indicate that he does so.

Second, I’m assuming your “Forsett snap totals” take into account he didn’t dress for the first game? Looking at touches so far amongst RBs: Clayton 29, Washington 25, Forsett 15 (2 games), Lynch 8.Forsett’s workload has been in line with everyone else except for Lynch. I guess Lynch is on his way out the door too, then?

I’m not even really sure what you’re trying to say with the third point. Forsett’s running style and pass blocking suit him just fine for a change-of-pace back on this team, which is what he is. Washington would fit a similar role were Carroll and Schneider to dump Forsett, which again there’s zero reason for them to do, especially with Forsett making about a half mil this year.

by Kingdomer on Aug 29, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not to mention Forsett is about as close to "veteran leadership" as it gets on this team.

And teams generally give their more important RBs the fewest carries in preseason for obvious reasons.

I don’t know where people are conjuring this image of him as an ineffective back. He’s gotten the job done about as good as you can expect running behind a historically terrible Oline.

by Fumanchuchu on Aug 29, 2011 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

We traded the k to Cincinnati for a z.

So it’s actually spelled Jaczson. Pronounced the way you would imagine Samuel L. Jaczson pronouncing it.

Head of catering.

by jacobstevens on Aug 29, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

That was just a rumored trade.

The “z” was the letter-to-be-named-later in the original deal, but I reneged, shipped the “k” to Cinckinnati, and kept the cap space for naming my first kid.

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by Jacson Bevens on Aug 29, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Zach Miller as a longsnapper?

I could see this happening to keep a 10th OL or 10th DB. He has longsnapping experience from Oakland and was listed as the backup to Gresham last time I checked the depth chart. It’d be a shame to keep a pure long snapper over a talented DB like Jerron Johnson.

by ba_edward on Aug 29, 2011 12:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Part of me hopes that would work as well.

But it just doesn’t seem likely that they would run one of their more valuable skill position players to knock heads with big D-Linemen for every punt.

Especially since there’s probably going to be quite a number of them this year.

by Kingdomer on Aug 29, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Longsnappers don't knock heads as much

since players are not allowed to line up directly over the top of them. Plus when was the last time you heard of a longsnapper injured on the play? Good point though that such an expensive player may not be an ideal candidate for dirty work.

by ba_edward on Aug 29, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah, right. Good point about lining up

It’s not so much that there’s commonly injury, so much as that you might be exposing the player to injury unnecessarily. But like I said, I’ve thought about this too. It’d be great if you could hang that specialist hat on a player that also played a position.

by Kingdomer on Aug 29, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I really wish one of the other 52 guys besides Gresham could long-snap. A lot of good players are going to have their faces pressed up against the outer glass of the roster.

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by Jacson Bevens on Aug 29, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

PS expanded to 10

IIRC. However, I don’t expect this to go down like this as the trade of Jennings will attest. I expect other players to come in.

by Seafan1 on Aug 29, 2011 12:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Nope, PS is still 8
Art 33. Se c ti on 1. Practice Squads:
(a) The League may elect in any League Year in accordance with this Article to establish Practice Squads not to exceed eight (8) players per Club. The League’s election in any one season shall not determine or affect its election in any subsequent season

Rosters are the same. 53 man, 8 man PS. The only difference is the active gameday roster has been changed from 45+emergency QB into 46 flat.

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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 29, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

9 actually - if you count the fact you can have one international guy on your PS

Article 133, Section 1 of the CBA:

(b) The League may elect to allow some or all Clubs to add to their Practice Squads one additional player, who shall not count against the limit above, whose citizenship and principal place of residence are outside the United States and its Territories ("International Player"). The League’s election in any one season shall not determine or affect its election in any subsequent season. Such International Players shall be subject to the same terms and conditions of employment that apply to other Practice Squad players except that they (1) may not, during the term of their Practice Squad Contract, negotiate or sign an NFL Player Contract with any Club; and (2) may not practice with any Club following the last Conference Championship Game unless both Conference Championship teams have such a player. In addition, notwithstanding the provisions of Section 4 below, such International Player shall be eligible to serve on a Practice Squad for three additional seasons after the completion of the player’s year(s) as an International Player. As set forth in Section 3 below, the weekly salary for such International Players shall not be included in the employing Club’s Team Salary and shall instead be deducted from the calculation of the Salary Cap in the same manner as any Player Benefit Cost.

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by Danny Kelly on Aug 29, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

What about that rugger star we were wooing last summer?

Sure looked like a one-that-got-away.

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by shams on Aug 29, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah -- I had irrationally high hopes for him.

I’ll look that up, I’m blanking on what happened there.

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by Danny Kelly on Aug 29, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

We were one of several suitors...

sounds like he had enough money and enjoyed being king kong playing in the same hemisphere his fans live in.

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by shams on Aug 29, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

How is our Bhutanese WR project coming along?

As long as he’s happy, that’s all that matters, really.

If you're not sure if there's a quarterback controversy, there is one.

by shams on Aug 29, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Taco Wallace is international?

No? dammit.

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by Danny Kelly on Aug 29, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I bought a sampler pack of cigars once

And one of them was a “Ron Mexico”. The label showed what appeared to be a Hispanic gangster carrying a football. I wonder how many cigar connoisseurs got the reference.

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by Jacson Bevens on Aug 29, 2011 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Typically, I'd agree with you

But it was in a fairly high-end sampler and actually smoked quite well. But to your point, I don’t think it was ever released on it’s own.

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by Jacson Bevens on Aug 29, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe its like the Jerry Garcia ties

or the goofy art/names that are sometimes found on some high-end New World wines. But on the face of it, they sound like cheap novelty sticks.

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Aug 29, 2011 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did the cigars come pre-sliced with a long vertical cut?

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by shams on Aug 29, 2011 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree.

Golden Tate does have a lot of cute-ability.

by nucleard on Aug 29, 2011 12:48 PM PDT reply actions  

Seeing both Baldwin and Maxwell making the team would make me very happy.

Sometimes guys you expect to make it don’t. The surprise on this list for me are both LeGree and Jeron Johnson. I like both and hopefully they can develop on the PS and not be poached by another team.

2011: Building the Trenches.

by Misfit74 on Aug 29, 2011 1:04 PM PDT reply actions  

^ This.

Like I said, the roster decisions in the secondary are going to require some ruthlessness on JS/PC’s part.

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by Jacson Bevens on Aug 29, 2011 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not surprised to see LeGree out but Johnson does raise an eyebrow.

LeGree was a gamble with a lot of upside, but has been pretty unnoticable in the preseason. Johnson however seems to have made at least one or two plays a game and has shown even better coverage skills than I was expecting.

I get the veteran presence thing and all, but I would rather keep Johnson than Bigby.

Aside from the timely ball punch out the back of the endzone, I haven’t seen a whole lot from Pinkard either. However, in his case he seems to be a Carroll pet-project and one case of where his USC history just might keep him around.

by Dizzy Saturn on Aug 29, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Until our jaw locks up from cramp.

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by shams on Aug 29, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

My god

I squealed with delight!

Efren Herrera is my spirit animal

by BeaverBird on Aug 30, 2011 4:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

The man is finally gone and not one hurrah did I hear.

So: Hurrah! No more targeting Kelly Jennings.
Seahawk adversaries must exploit fresh vulnerabilities.
No sweat, I know, but , still, hurrah.
(And good luck, Kelly. And don’t you dare suddenly acquire ball skills).

by broadbill birdwatcher on Aug 29, 2011 4:10 PM PDT reply actions  

There's an entire post full of hurrah's in the post above this, haha.

I’m just happy I don’t have to hear people complain about him anymore.

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by Jacson Bevens on Aug 29, 2011 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thats why I did not go into that thread

I knew I would have a hard time behaving myself…

Respect goes a long way....

by Mangolover on Aug 29, 2011 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

David Vobora

Not getting the assumptions on him. He got cut from an awful Rams LB Corp didn’t he? I would rather we kept Johnson, legree, or heck mike Morgan over a literal mr irrelevant.

by dudeitscool on Aug 29, 2011 5:58 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

He's swing depth plus special teams player

We need someone like that, either Vobora or Matt McCoy. One of the two will stick

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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 29, 2011 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks tomas

That was the answer I needed

by dudeitscool on Aug 29, 2011 6:57 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Plus, he'll last long enough that he fills the OC in on what defensive packages the Rams run the first time we play them.

A la Isaiah K.

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by Johnny Slick on Aug 29, 2011 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

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