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Scouting On DT Clinton McDonald Part I

There's not a whole lot of information out there on the Seahawks new acquisition, DT Clinton McDonald. Luckily Joe Goodberry, a contributor and scout for the SBN Bengals site Cincy Jungle, was nice enough to provide a scouting report on him for Field Gulls. 

Here's what Joe Goodberry wrote:

Strengths:
Clinton McDonald is a quick DT who is at his best in passing situations. He can get under the pads of opposing guards and push them into the backfield or use his agility to go around blockers. He gets a good jump on the snap of the ball and usually forces the offensive lineman to play in recovery mode. McDonald has a great motor and work ethic.

Weaknesses:
Clinton McDonald is small by most DT standards. He won't ever be great against the run because of his size. He can get engulfed by big offensive guards in the run game and won't be able to shed the blocks. Still is raw in terms of playing experience.


What the Seahawks are getting:
Coming out of Memphis in 2009, Clinton McDonald was labeled as undersized and raw by most scouts. He played NT in a 3-4 in college at his size but still found a way to be a penetrating DT. He needed to bulk up and get stronger while keeping his quickness and refining his techniques if McDonald wanted to stick in the NFL as a 7th round pick. In his first two seasons with the Bengals, he bounced between the practice squad and limited action on the 53-man roster. When McDonald wasn't active, he always met the team bus late at night after road games with words of encouragement or celebration. He became a fan favorite and a teammate that seemed to be well liked.

The first practice of training camp in 2011, McDonald was noticeably bigger and stronger. He didn't lose his agility and was playing with great leverage and technique. It was clear within a few practices that he was one of the best DTs on the roster. Not long after his performance vs. the Lions (8 tackles, 1 TFL), Tank Johnson was released from the Bengals. It looked as though McDonald was a lock to make this roster. Since then, Adam Jones has been placed on the PUP and the Bengals need for a CB became their biggest hole.

I hate to say that I feel like the Seahawks are getting the better end of this deal because Jennings was a former first round pick, but I strongly feel like Clinton McDonald has just come into his own in his third NFL season. He's now an NFL caliber DT with his potential arrow still pointing upwards. I'm not sure if he'll ever be a full-time starter at DT and I'm not sure how the Seahawks are going to use him, but if he's allowed to pass rush from the nickel packages, you guys should see results. You're getting a good player even though he's not well known.

It's good to hear coming from a guy who has watched McDonald closely this preseason. Goodberry mentions that apart from the improvement McDonald had displayed on the field, that 'when McDonald wasn't active, he always met the team bus late at night after road games with words of encouragement or celebration. He became a fan favorite and a teammate that seemed to be well liked.'

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This kind of thing isn't important if McDonald doesn't make the team but for an organization that doesn't have a lot of leadership from the top down due to youth, having good locker room guys never hurts. McDonald was elected as a team captain at Memphis his junior and senior years as well (apparently it's very rare for a junior to be elected captain at that program). If he can live up to some of Goodberry's accolades the Seahawks may have found a diamond in the rough. It's unlikely, but time will tell. 

As Thomas mentioned in his story yesterday, McDonald is a bit of an athletic freak -- he's gained about 15-20 pounds in the two years since his pro day, but as this story points out, "the 6-2, 283-pound son of Larry and Bonnie McDonald of Jacksonville, re-opened scouts' eyes with his 36 reps (in the 225-pound bench press), his 38-inch vertical leap and his average of 4.83 seconds in the 40-yard dash at the Memphis pro day camp. He was suddenly projected as a sixth-, fifth or even fourth-round prospect heading into last weekend."

Interestingly, (I guess), McDonald was chosen (249th overall in 2009) directly following the Seahawks choices of Nick Reed and Cameron Morrah at 247 and 248. There was a few brief minutes there where Clinton believed he'd be chosen by the Hawks and now two years later he has ended up with them. Here's to hoping he has what it takes to stick. 

For what it's worth, Tank Johnson, who was just released by the Bengals, had this to say about McDonald:

"Bengals sent a helluva player to Seattle! Must be hurtin at CB, that's a big move! Clint McDonald is that deal! Seahawks came up Fasho!"

It's a good sign anyway.

I reached out to Derek Stephens of The Blue Bird Herd as well (Derek scouts for Lindy's and works with Rob Rang, so he's an excellent resource) and he had an in-depth scouting report on McDonald as well that included updated information since McDonald has been with the Bengals. I'll break this out into two posts so it doesn't get too long and I'll follow up later on today with Derek Stephens take, so stay tuned. 


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I'm starting to like this trade more and more

Admittedly, I never liked Slim much, but I wasn’t thrilled about giving him up for someone who sounded like they were destined to be cut. But if all of this about his preseason/training camp is true, it could be a great deal for us.

by Longhammer on Aug 30, 2011 8:22 AM PDT reply actions  

Wow

Surprisingly positive report

by jhmg16 on Aug 30, 2011 8:27 AM PDT reply actions  

Might be worth it just for the attitude

you can never have too many upbeat, positive guys in the locker room.

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by Ryche And Roll on Aug 30, 2011 8:42 AM PDT reply actions  

Another specialist

How are all these specialist going to fit on the roster?

by LostLeader on Aug 30, 2011 8:44 AM PDT reply actions  

Wasn't Jennings a specialist

posing as a CB? “Specialist” coded word for one-dimensional or not a complete player or every down player.

by LostLeader on Aug 30, 2011 8:50 AM PDT reply actions  

Oops!

forgot to hit reply first.

by LostLeader on Aug 30, 2011 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not many teams have "every-down players" at a high number of positions

A lot of game situations require specialists. QB, #1-#2 CB, #1 WR, FS are the only ones I can see that we would want on the field almost all plays.

by Stay Off the Flowers on Aug 30, 2011 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

3-4 Nose?

If you're not sure if there's a quarterback controversy, there is one.

by shams on Aug 30, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm aware, but thought you were speaking globally.

Now I see you snuck a Seahawks term in there, “…we would want.”

If you're not sure if there's a quarterback controversy, there is one.

by shams on Aug 30, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

And the entire Oline

But yeah, if you look at our game charting from last year, the only guys who played 100% of the snaps would be the QB, the Oline, Earl Thomas, and occasionally Trufant and Tatupu.

I don’t think any NFL team has full-time starters on the Dline. Suh played an insanely high number of snaps his rookie season (a lot of his production is due to that so he’s bound to slip) and he didn’t play all snaps.

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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 30, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Makes sense. Those are big guys putting out a ton of energy on each play.

If you're not sure if there's a quarterback controversy, there is one.

by shams on Aug 30, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yip

And their communication/cooperation doesn’t neat to be quite as in step as the offensive line, which means that where the offensive line needs to remain intact as much as possible, the dline doesn’t miss a beat switching stuff up.

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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 30, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think we are mixing DL depth and specialist.

These DL boys use lots of energy and therefore switch out regularly, but the switch is an depth issue. Not specialist issue.

My point is we need more depth, not more specialist (unless of course that is providing the depth)

by LostLeader on Aug 30, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Now it comes back to McDonald being an unnecessary trade

since McDonald appears to be a pass-rushing specialist. I still think we could have gotten more value from KJ then McDonald, since we have a few pass rushers. We could have traded KJ to the Cards now that they are down a starting DB.

by LostLeader on Aug 30, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

We don't have any interior pass-rushing specialists

That’s why we used Curry for that in 2010 (amongst other reasons).

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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 30, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

McDonald and Curry play different positions

but you already knew that. McDonald is position on the DL is one where we do have lots of options. Where we need depth more then a specialist.

by LostLeader on Aug 30, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Curry moved into the interior line on passing downs last year

Herring and Tatupu would play nickel linebacker while Curry moved to a pure pass-rusher. He was in as a DT on almost every bandit (3-1-7) snap last year. Since Curry is the nickelbacker now and stays in on such downs, we need someone else to come in and sub for Branch on obvious passing downs.

The D-line works with starters, but depth isn’t the same thing as O-line depth, which never plays except in case of injury. D-line depth has to be able to play, and has to have a role to fulfill on our defense, regardless of injures.

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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 30, 2011 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

In other words

1 for 2? Curry had a role in the bandit package that will now go to McDonald (speculation). So now someone else has to lose their job for this additional specialist.

Thomas, I’m trying to understand McDonald role in the big picture. I say that he is a specialist that we don’t need or have place for. You say that he is needed, but haven’t quite placed a role for him, that doesn’t already have a player better or adequate at that position.

by LostLeader on Aug 30, 2011 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

We're only just guessing at this point

but we need more pass-rusher (especially in the interior). We don’t know that McDonald will even stick on the 53-man roster but finding a spot for a guy that will play 30% of the snaps (and may start in case of injury) isn’t a bad use of a roster spot.

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Aug 30, 2011 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

And we'd want to trade a guy in the division because...

why?

"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)

by Johnny Slick on Aug 30, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think you do that because Jennings stinks

and trading him to the Cards would make it easy to pick on twice a year, not once every 4 years.

by Ratman44 on Aug 30, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Well, then you're hoping that the Cards, as desperate as they are, actually want KJ.

Which, really, no. You need to be the worst owner in the league to give up actual talent for him (which, amazingly, is what it appears Brown has done). And if they do want KJ, I’d become extra suspicious. What do they know that we don’t?

"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)

by Johnny Slick on Aug 30, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

be careful

I have a feeling some people might eat crow about Jennings this year. Cinci plays a scheme that much better suits his man skills.

Respect goes a long way....

by Mangolover on Aug 30, 2011 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're calling Bidwell a good owner?

he’s been known to be a cheap owner, until springing for Kolb and paying for Fritz. The Card haven’t been known for the best decisions over the years, but Whiz seems to have changed things over there.

I never believed KJ to the Cards, but I could always hope.

by LostLeader on Aug 30, 2011 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not calling him a good owner, no.

I’m calling him a better owner than Mike Brown. Matt Hasselbeck was a better quarterback last year than Jimmy Claussen. Did that make him a good quarterback?

"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)

by Johnny Slick on Aug 30, 2011 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

What compensation do you want from the Cards?

Do you want them to be better? Is there any indication they want him? You can’t just send him over.

by Stay Off the Flowers on Aug 30, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Trade Jennings for a 5th to the Cards

What do you mean that’s an unlikely trade the FO might well have taken if it were available? What is this, reality?

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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 30, 2011 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can't wait to see the guy in action.

At the very least, he’ll be more popular in Seattle than Jennings. Of course, with the possible exceptions of Clay Bennett and Bobby Ayala, everybody else was.

by Magnificentbutcher on Aug 30, 2011 8:55 AM PDT reply actions  

If McDonald is this kind of prospect it's kind of puzzling that they'd trade him the week of roster cutdowns.

They that hard up for cornerbacks? Mike Zimmer likes big linemen, but even still I have a hard time believing he’s a guy who could make a big impact but they simply didn’t want him because of those 2 factors. Maybe he’s easy to stonewall even in pass pro, because of the size, maybe he doesn’t have strength to make up for it. I’m still a little hopeful because it figures we’d only give him 1 gap and surround him with big guys, but more and more it makes less and less sense that there’s much potential here.

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by jacobstevens on Aug 30, 2011 9:06 AM PDT reply actions  

How does that not apply to us too?

As a side note, I like the move. I would have traded Kelly Jennings for $5 and a Yoda action figure.

by biju on Aug 30, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

What do you mean?

We’re not going to be behind at all this season, especially in the first six games.

Bandit Package every play baby! Who’s with me?!!?

Buehler?

by Stay Off the Flowers on Aug 30, 2011 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is Yoda still in the box?

If you're not sure if there's a quarterback controversy, there is one.

by shams on Aug 30, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

here's why...

Bengals are actually deep at DT & interior pass rushers.

At DT -& Domata Peko, Geno Atkins (Starters) and Pat Sims all rotate at DT.
Pass Rush Situations – Atkins is their best interior rusher.They pair him with DEs Jonathan Fanene, Frostee Rucker and Robert Geathers inside in Nickel packages.

So as far as McDonald has come as a prospect, there isn’t consistent playing time for him here.

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by Joe Goodberry on Aug 30, 2011 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

plus pacman just went down, creating a hole at cb

(obvious comment from the article, i know)

It was just intense, and it was ball, and it was juice. The juice level in that room was high, and it was awesome.

by mister bunny on Aug 30, 2011 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

This makes me Feel Better

I was a little worried about this pick another undersized guy, but when you think about it, I’d rather have this guy rushing the passer than Branch on third down.

Intriguing. I would say this guy is strong enough, as evidenced by his 36 reps, he could wreak havoc when rushing the passer. He’s got a DT’s Strength in basically a bulked up DE’s Body, and does have some quicks. Imagine in a pass rush package, having Clemons, Brock, McDonald and whoever they have at the Nose rushing the passer.

Playing press coverage on the outside with a tremendous push by the line will cover up some of the inexperience in the secondary.

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by JRock419 on Aug 30, 2011 9:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Highest Cap room and couldn't retain JJ...

Now they have KJ.

I am Shocked that Carson wants a trade.

by goatweed on Aug 30, 2011 9:17 AM PDT reply actions  

Mike Zimmer must be near the end of his rope.

If you're not sure if there's a quarterback controversy, there is one.

by shams on Aug 30, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I swear this is a dream.

Too many good things happening. Can’t possibly be real.

by Tokyo Slim on Aug 30, 2011 9:41 AM PDT reply actions  

The more I see of our O line this year

The more I doubt that Matt would still be alive, were he QB for the Seahawks. I’m 99% positive that an unblocked Jared Allen would have likely ended it all for poor Matt two weeks ago.

That being said, without Kelly Jennings on our team, I think our O-Line should start playing better.

by Tokyo Slim on Aug 30, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

AWWWWWWWWWWW... now I'm excicted.

despite your repeated attempts to dampen my enthusiasm.

Beast Mode, fo' real.

by Lucas Cervi on Aug 30, 2011 9:45 AM PDT reply actions  

That is the first time i've ever seen an emoticon rec'd

THE SKY IS FALLING DOWN WHAT ON EARTH HAVE WE BECOME

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Thou hath angered Hawku fan
COME AT ME THOU FOOL"

by RagingAlot on Aug 30, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, I slept on "Fasho" and the answer came to me this morning.

God, I’m such a white boy.

If you're not sure if there's a quarterback controversy, there is one.

by shams on Aug 30, 2011 10:51 AM PDT reply actions  

Here's the pure penetrater up the middle

the roster lacked. Branch comes off the field on third and long and he comes in. I think he’ll have no problem making the team given that he has almost no competition for that role.

by FWBrodie on Aug 30, 2011 11:48 AM PDT reply actions  

I was looking for info on him yesterday on their D.T. stock.

Somebody wrote that they had 3 D.T.s rated in the top 44 in the NFL .

by Richard fg7 on Aug 30, 2011 12:41 PM PDT reply actions  

If we would of drafted him....

He would most likely be playing for Tampa Bay now.

by Richard fg7 on Aug 30, 2011 3:34 PM PDT reply actions  

In fairness, Ruskell would have drafted him in the early 2nd round and he would have been dogged by high expectations.

"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)

by Johnny Slick on Aug 30, 2011 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

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