Seahawks Playbook: Looking Back At Charlie Whitehurst's 3rd Quarter Scoring Drive Vs The Vikings
In the third quarter of last Saturday's Vikings game, Charlie Whitehurst moved the chains for the Seahawk's only touchdown. It stirred up some controversy about who the Seahawks starting QB should be, and there were arguments on both sides of the coin about it.
He looked a lot better than Tarvaris Jackson, but was playing against second string players and with a very different set of playcalls.
Regardless, I tried to look at a few things: How much was Charlie blitzed? How many reads did Charlie make? These are the questions I wanted to answer. Here is what I found.
8:34 to go 3Q. Seahawks First Possession of the 2nd Half. Richard Sherman fields the punt and is dumped at the 11 yard line.
SNAP 1
1-10. 1RB, 2TE, 2WR. TE are unbalanced- both on the right side. Defense is in a basic 4-3 cover-2 look. Linebackers are reading run and it is a run.
Run right to Thomas Clayton for -3 yards. Defensive penetration kills this play. This drive is not off to a good start. Ball at the 8.
SNAP 2
2-13. 1RB, 2TE, 2WR. Initially the same look as snap 1. Outside TE moves in late motion to the left side of the formation (#82 Dominique Byrd). LB follows Byrd across. Defense in the same 4-3 cover 2. Safeties 11 yards behind the line. No blitz.
Charlie Whitehurst under center. 3 step drop. Golden Tate is the Z WR. Looks to be Whitehurst's first read. A linebacker collapses in coverage to assist the cornerback, but it's too late. The pass is on the money- designed to be low. Accurate with enough zip, but not the type of power that McNabb was displaying earlier in the game. Golden Tate catches it complete for 10 yards.
SNAP 3
3-3. 1 RB, 1TE, 3WR. TE is #85 Anthony McCoy left side. Slot WR is #84 Kris Durham right side. WR #15 Doug Baldwin is the Z WR and moves in late motion behind Durham in a stacked formation. No blitz. Defense still in that vanilla 4-3 cover-2 look.
Whitehurst in shotgun. Steps up nicely as the edges of the pocket collapse. It's a good throw and appears again to be his first read. Complete to Durham for 6 yards. First down. Accurate. Velocity is fine. I do believe Durham is his first read, but he has to move in the pocket a bit before he delivers.
SNAP 4 (6:47 mark 3Q ball on the Seahawks 24 yard line)
1-10. 1 RB, 1 TE, 3 WR. TE is #85 McCoy left side. Slot WR is #84 Durham right side. Defense is in -you guessed it- a basic 4-3 cover-2 look. Safeties 10 yards deep.
Run up the middle by Clayton for 3 yards.
SNAP 5
2-7. 1 RB, 1 TE, 3 WR. TE right side. Late motion by the RB moves Thomas Clayton out as the X WR. Defense brings a LB to the line of scrimmage to show a five man blitz.
Now it's an empty backfield. Shotgun. The LB at the LOS does indeed blitz leaving the TE open. Charlie sees the blitz and hits the TE McCoy for 9 yards. Throw is not on the money; it should be on the inside shoulder but he hits the outside shoulder. Decent velocity. Still McCoy hauls it in and its good enough for 9 yards and the first down. Appears to be his first read.
SNAP 6 (5:37 mark 3Q ball on the Seahawks 36 yard line)
1-10. 1 RB, 1 TE, 3 WR. TE right side. Slot WR on the left side. Defense in that same 4-3 cover-2 look. Safeties 11 yards deep.
Run up the middle. Defense gets penetration but somehow Clayton spins his way to 2 yards.
SNAP 7
2-8. 2 RB, 1 TE, 2 WR. TE left side. Fullback moves in late motion from right left. Defense is in a 4-3 cover-2 look.
Whitehurst under center. It's play action to the RB. First read is to the FB running in the left flat. #43 Dorson Boyce (Husky!) is open and the pass hits him in stride- not too high or too low. Complete for 6. Accurate. Velocity is where you want it for a very short throw.
SNAP 8
3-2. 2 RB, 2 TE, 1 WR. Both TE on the right side. RBs in the I formation. Only WR is in the left slot. Late motion TE #82 Byrd moves from right to left. Everything here is screaming run- from the down and distance to the heavy package and unbalanced look. Defense is crowding up with 9 in the box.
Whitehurst under center. Defense creates a sort of run blitz. Play Action to Clayton. Fullback Boyce fakes like he is hitting the hole then bounces outside right for the pass in the flat. Charlie hits Boyce for 3 yards on the right side. First read. Ball is on the correct shoulder and accurate. Velocity is fine.
SNAP 9 (4:01 mark 3Q ball on the Seahawks 47 yard line)
1-10. 1 RB, 2 TE, 2 WR. TE both start out on the right side. Late motion moves TE #82 Dominique Byrd from the right to left. Defense still in basic vanilla 4-3 cover-2.
Whitehurst under center. Play-action to the right. Charlie bootlegs left and TE Byrd is wide open. This is his first read. Ball is on the money and has a "Catchable" velocity. Charlie is not trying to gun it in there. These throws are mostly layups so far but at least he is making his layups. Byrd runs for a few yards after the catch for an eventual 14.
SNAP 10 (3:21 mark 3Q ball on Minnesota 39 yard line)
1-10. 1 RB, 2 TE, 2 WR. Both TE unbalanced on the left. This is a mirror image of Snap 9 without the late TE motion. Defense still in base 4-3 cover 2.
Whitehurst is under center. Play-action again. This time its to the left but the backside LB does halt. Whitehurst is rolling right. He reads two possible targets in the middle but decides against it. Defense in a zone that may have collapsed. Charlie moves right and finds his mate- Kris Durham on the right sideline. This is the longest throw of the drive. 14 yards. It is very slightly under-thrown with enough velocity. It is not gunned in there. Good catch by Durham, but it's not a bad throw by any means. It looked slightly less impressive on replay than live.
After grinding for 8 snaps to crawl from the 8 yard line to midfield- the offense rips off two semi-chunk plays back to back and now knock on the red zone door. Both plays are for 14 yards, both play action, same personnel package with 2 TE, with one to the left and the second to the right.
SNAP 11 (2:38 mark 3Q ball on the Minnesota 25 yard line)
1-10. 1 RB, 1 TE, 3 WR. Slot WR on the left. Base Defense. No blitz.
Whitehurst under center. Three step drop. Very similar play, probably the same play, as Snap 2. This time it's Pat Williams at the Z instead of Golden Tate. This may be a bad decision. Williams drops it but the ball is slightly behind Williams and the converging linebacker is much closer to pinch the play than in Snap 2. Also, the corner may have gotten his hand on the ball. Almost like a "You can't fool me twice play". Again, this is Charlie's first read and may have been a bad decision: he perhaps should have progressed through the play. Instead, it's an incomplete pass.
SNAP 12
2-10. 2 RB, 1 TE, 2 WR. The X WR is actually the TE #85 McCoy. RBs are in I formation. Slot WR on the left side. TE McCoy moves toward the center in late motion. Defense is still in the base 4-3 cover 2.
TE Anthony McCoy comes back to crash into the DE. Whitehurst under center. It's a toss to the left to RB Thomas Clayton and is good for 6 yards. Best run of the drive. The key block is the LT, I believe it is Will Robinson, who wipes his man off the map.
SNAP 13
3-4. 1 RB, 1 TE, 3 WR. TE on the left side. Slot WR on the right. Defense is showing a 6 man blitz. The Z WR (Baldwin) moves in late motion behind the slot WR in a stacked formation.
Shotgun. It is a blitz. Six defenders rush, one on a delay. Protection holds up, but it's one read to the man that was in motion, WR Baldwin running in the right flat. Ball is on the money and correctly thrown on the outside shoulder. Baldwin makes a nice hands catch and gets 11 yards. Velocity is perfect for what it is.
SNAP 14 (1:17 mark in the 3Q ball on the Minnesota 8 yard line)
1-G. 1 RB, 1 TE, 3 WR. TE on the right. Slot WR on the left. Defense still in that base vanilla.
Under Center. Two step drop. Charlie throws behind Doug Baldwin in the slot. It's a form of bubble screen. Charlie does not lead him correctly and it is good for about 2.5 yards. Missed throw, but caught.
SNAP 15
2-G from the 5. 2 RB, 1 TE, 2 WR. RBs are in the I formation. TE is on the left side. The Z WR is actually in the right slot. Base defense. Corners are rolled up on the line of scrimmage as the field is condensed.
Under center. It looks like a run and it is a run to Clayton for 2 yards on the left side.
SNAP 16
3-G from the 3. 1 RB, 1 TE, 3 WR. From the left hash. All 3 WR on the right side. TE on the left. Defense does not show blitz. WR #81 Golden Tate moves in late motion from the right side to the left.
Shotgun. Snap is low. Charlie looks left while fielding the low ball, almost showing that the play is designed left if the snap was good. He secures the ball and begins to roll left to buy time. He fires a perfect ball in the corner of the end zone to TE Anthony Mccoy. Good velocity. Good placement. Touchdown.
All in all- very few blitzes and very few reads. It was a "simplified" drive in the words of OC Darrell Bevell. Nevertheless, Charlie executed a simplified offense and throw short balls with accuracy. He didn't do anything wrong despite his naysayers. He does look like he is improved since his beginnings with the Seahawks in 2010. I am not saying he is better than Tarvaris, but he moved the ball down the field and took what the defense gave him against a very vanilla defense. That's a good thing.
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Its his footwork that is so much better than TJs right now
As he steps up, something TJ doesn’t appear capable of, or around he keeps his feet under him and ready to throw. He doesn’t move his feet as a runner, but as a QB trying to get in position to throw. If TJ can’t figure that out then he will continue to have issues because even the best lines need their QB to move around some.
Hass was about 28 when he finally got it.
Not saying history will repeat itself, but I agree he’s looked better than TJ so far. I would like to see him fare against blitzes though.
"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)
by Johnny Slick on Aug 31, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
It's possible I was being a sarcastic prick.
If you're not sure if there's a quarterback controversy, there is one.
WHICH IS WHY I RESPONDED TO THE POINT YOU MADE SARCASTICALLY AND NOT THE ACTUAL POINT.
I AM YELLING NOW! Unless you were being double reverse Russian sarcastic, in which case well played, sir.
"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)
by Johnny Slick on Aug 31, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I read your post three times and couldn't figure out which way it went.
I have failed at internet.
If you're not sure if there's a quarterback controversy, there is one.
btw you can really hurt yourself with the double reverse Russian.
I’m not a young man anymore.
If you're not sure if there's a quarterback controversy, there is one.
He minored in tap dancing.
He should know better.
Tarvaris Jackson is possibly a worse decision maker than Seneca
Honestly I think he gets by on athleticism. Otherwise, from a footballing standpoint, he’’s really really stupid. His athletic ability can get him to avoid sacks — possibly better than CW — but everything else he does is comical. His footwork sucks, his decision making is horrible, he’s thoroughly unimpressive.
At this point it’s quite clear he never got a raw deal in Minnesota, why do you think after a playoff appearance they dumped Jackson’s ass and got Brett Favre?
I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.
I haven't seen him run out of bounds to take a sack yet so no, I can't say he's worse than Seneca.
So far he hasn’t done a lot to impress me though, I have to admit. Bret Favre is still available!
"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)
by Johnny Slick on Aug 31, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Well it depends
Do you prefer drive-killing out-of-bounds for a loss of 5 or drive-killing intentional groundings?
I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.
Don't they basically add up to the same thing?
Actually, I prefer the grounding penalties because at least then it looks like he’s doing something. I swear, the running out of bounds just made me say “OH COME ON SENECA ARE YOU ACTIVELY TRYING TO DESTROY THIS TEAM???”. At least with TJ I get the sense that his failures are the result of him being shellshocked.
Of course, this comparison is basically the same as asking if I’d prefer to be kicked in the groin or punched in the mouth, so please to take with a grain of salt.
"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)
by Johnny Slick on Aug 31, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Well no because it would be 10 and a loss of down
Compared to Seneca’s runs that ranged from 1-7 and a loss of down.
TJ is not shellshocked. He’s just a really awful QB.
I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.
The obvious answer is you prefer the punch in the mouth
That way there’s a chance the other guy breaks his hand
by SmartAssCoug on Aug 31, 2011 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
You havent seen my groin.
"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)
by Johnny Slick on Aug 31, 2011 3:03 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Sun-shine, lolli-pops and--
rain-bows…
If you're not sure if there's a quarterback controversy, there is one.
I can't decide who I want to win this QB competition?
I want the best thing for the Hawks which would be Whitehurst it seems. But I love mobile Qb’s cause they’re fun to watch so then I choose Jackson plus he knows the playbook. I know Portis isn’t in the discussion but he is my favorite.
by luciuswolfey_96 on Aug 31, 2011 2:05 PM PDT reply actions
I really don't like this "know the playbook" thing
He knew the playbook in Minnesota and blew ass. Brett Favre, at 40 and completely banged up and coming off a horrible collapse in New York with the Jets, came in and became one of the most productive QBs of that year.
Gus Frerotte used the same playbook and outperformed him. Joe Webb was a rookie and put in respectable numbers.
I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.
A component of the playbook thing
may be that nobody knows the playbook. All your examples everybody less the QB knew the playbook. Maybe PC et al are thinking thing in an LO year they would like to have at least one person know the playbook, and when the others get to know the playbook, THEN open up QB for comp.
Favre never knew the playbook
He won because he was competent
I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.
Favre didn't know it or use it.
all right Shank, go deep on three. Rice, Imma chuckin’ it up.
70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.
That's because he was a gunslinger
Not because he was overrated
Dont get me wrong, I was all in for starting CW
prior to the TJ signing, and still am, just trying to parse why PC and co want to go with TJ.
Seems:
1. Not comfy with CW
2. Playbook thing
3. See something in TJ and are sailing the ‘he got shafted’ ship.
Unfortunately now that they have showed their hand on TJ, the whole ‘build conf in QB’ thingy needs to play out, otherwise CW would be looking over the shoulder as well (if you dump TJ after a couple weeks, who’s to say the next guy gets a decent shot)
In other words
TJ needs to confidently suck, or suck confidently, to give the Jesus a chance.
Yeah, they'll be getting over that "he got shafted" bullshit
soon enough so they can sit his ass and shaft him themselves.
70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.
Charlie is a mobile QB
Why do people keep pretending he’s not? Just because he’s white doesn’t mean he can’t move.
Formerly Known As Vasilii
by Thomas Beekers on Sep 1, 2011 5:37 AM PDT up reply actions
He is not significantly less mobile than Tarvaris Jackson
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by Thomas Beekers on Sep 1, 2011 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, but he's significantly scrappier!
white stereotypes
"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)
Might be picking nits
But Tavaris has impressed me with his quickness and elusiveness. I would contend that overall he is significantly harder to tackle than Whitehurst.
by Spin Forever on Sep 1, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
That's not the same thing though
Tarvaris is more experienced at dodging rushers, for, uh, obvious reasons, which has also made him more prone to run. I don’t think he’s significantly more mobile than Charlie. More, yes, but it’s not a difference maker. I don’t think mobility is a major factor in high-level QB play anyway.
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by Thomas Beekers on Sep 1, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Nobody who has seen me dance can ever again doubt this proposition
If you're not sure if there's a quarterback controversy, there is one.
What competition?
Carroll said that TJ is the starter because of his familiarity with the offense Bevell is running. Well just because you know an offense, doesn’t mean that someone else can’t execute it better. Also, how can you call it a fair competition when Whitehurst isn’t even allowed to go up against a number one offense? Clipboard Jesus looked way better than TJ but we’ll never know if that’s because he’s better or because he was going against secondary players.
Correction
Whitehurst needs to go up against a number one DEFENSE, not offense.
He did go against a number one defense
And Seattle won the NFC West.
I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.
I'm talking about this pre season
and this particular competition between TJ.
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I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.
After watching replays of that TD
It looked like Whitehurst could have passed to any option. Vikings’ D was everywhere except actually covering the receivers. Terrible zone.
Yeah, the coverage was terrible
Still some good escapability.
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by Thomas Beekers on Sep 1, 2011 5:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Makes you wonder though.
If the D can’t cover anyone in a short field zone, is that indicative of what Charlie was facing for the entirety of the drive?
This analysis should have stopped at "Will Robinson wipes his man off the map"
any play against competition that gets wiped off the map by Will Robinson cannot be evaluated objectively.
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
Remember when we started Brandon Frye and Kyle Williams at LT?
Man those were the days…
"It was a dream come true to be the quarterback in Seattle; Bigger and better than anything I could have dreamed of." -Matthew Hasselbeck
I like many things about Whitehurst.
Particularly his calm, cool under pressure and ability to stand in the pocket and deliver the ball instead of ‘think’ ‘think’ ‘scramble’ ‘look’ ‘think’ ‘take sack’…
2011: Building the Trenches.
And his long, flowing locks.
"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)
by Johnny Slick on Aug 31, 2011 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions
So basically, there wasn't a single successfull play in which he threw to someone who wasn't the first read...?
Earl Thomas + Mark Legree = Earl Gree. A new flavor of safety coming to you on Sunday's this Fall. They're gonna wake you up!
That is to say, it looked like Tate was his first read in the slot on a slant.
Didn’t see him, he rolled left, improvised, and found McCoy floating to the corner. But otherwise, yeah, easy peezy reads for the most part.
Proactive-like-Nonstop
FIELDGULLS
Sure, he's not going to be Matt Hasselbeck...
…but isn’t the big knock on TJ right now that he’s just looking for the dump-off guy once he senses a rush, period? I don’t get the sense that Tarvaris is ‘checking down’ either, if by ‘checking down’ you mean ‘actually looking to see if multiple receivers are open’.
"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)
by Johnny Slick on Aug 31, 2011 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Its not like the defense forced him very often to go through all his reads
If the first read is open then go there. That’s how the timing of the play is usually designed.
by Edgar for Pres on Sep 1, 2011 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Exactly: if the first read is open, then making a quick, decisive throw is the A+ play
In contrast, it just feels like Tarvaris likes to hold on to the ball and wait for somebody else to get… more open? It’s always hard to tell without being able to see downfield whether everybody is actually covered, or whether he’s just not pulling the trigger when he could/should.
I think that’s the main thing: to the naked eye, Charlie seems way more decisive, because he’s getting the ball out quickly. We just don’t know how much of that is better pocket poise and how much of that is worse competition/coverage. Could be all one, all the other, or somewhere in between.
Yeah, which is why I for one would *really* like to see him face blitzes.
Just start him for Game 4. Tell TJ that he’s still safe and even start TJ Week One anyway, but I have half an inkling that CJ will look a bit beleaguered facing the blitzes 1st team Ds have been sending at TJ as well.
"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)
Even Madden 12 thinks Charlie is better than Tavaris
i happily changed the depth chart to have CW #1. I pray Pete does the same in real life
I line up in spread formations and run nothing but 40 yard bombs in Madden.
I pray Pete does the same in real life.
"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)
I pray Pete sets the difficulty level on Rookie
by SmartAssCoug on Sep 1, 2011 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
My gosh, it's Mike Martz!
Did you trade for him in Madden?










































