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Scouting on DT Clinton McDonald, Part II

Joe Goodberry of Cincy Jungle was gracious enough to share his scouting report on the Seahawks' new defensive tackle Clinton McDonald yesterday, but I wanted to bring you another perspective. Derek Stephens runs The Blue Bird Herd, scouts for Lindy's, works with Rob Rang on other projects, and I respect his opinion highly so I was stoked to find out that he had a detailed scouting report on McDonald that included updated notes on his time in Cincinnati. Here's what Derek had on the player the Seahawks got in exchange for Kelly Jennings, Clinton McDonald:

Strengths:

Thick, powerful lower body and compact frame. Explodes off the snap with consistently low pad levels. Flexible hips and low center of gravity enable him to get into the chest of his opponent and gain leverage to knock him off balance or turn a tight corner around him.

Powerful punch to create space right off the snap. Possesses a powerful rip and impressive upper body strength to throw much bigger, heavier blockers off the line completely. Extremely high motor. Quick hands and good use of arm extension to disengage and close. Consistently plays through the whistle.

Good vision to spot runner in the backfield and maintain target while fighting off taller, bigger linemen. Can anchor well enough to play as a run-stuffing nose tackle, but possesses the quickness and motor to get up field from the 3 Technique spot as a pass rusher.

Weaknesses:

Not the biggest guy on the line, and doesn't have ideal nose tackle size. Can be overshadowed by taller O-linemen and erased completely when he doesn't get off the snap quickly. Inconsistent get-off leaves him having to simply hold position rather than advance up field at times.

Will stop moving his feet laterally on crash plays or runs to the outside, and will angle late to the ball carrier leaving him out of the play completely. Doesn't anticipate interior run consistently and will often get his arms out too late to be a factor in shutting lanes.

Doesn't use his punch enough, and tries to bull rush more than he should given his quickness and impressive spin move.

Opinion:

McDonald possesses burst, explosiveness, power and quickness to be a pass-rushing threat from the inside. He has several tools that he doesn't use enough, and needs to be more consistent coming off the line, but given the high-motor, he should be able to improve and be a consistent contributor at the NFL level.

Some upside to work with.

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Pretty positive report to go along with Goodberry's take. Overall, though expectations should be tempered, McDonald is an intriguing player that could have and play a specific role on the Seahawks: rushing the passer on passing downs. If he can use his skills effectively to get to the quarterback on 10-20 snaps a game, he'd be a huge steal considering it's likely we were just going to cut Kelly Jennings anyway. As Goodberry pointed out in the last report, McDonald had been the toast of Bengals camp this season, racking up eight tackles and one tackle for a loss against the Lions in preseason week one.

Thanks again to Derek and Joe for the scouting reports, much appreciated. 

 


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I still don't totally get why Cincy traded him.

Okay, he was going to be deep in the rotation. But he was still projected to make the 53 man roster, wasn’t he? You’d think they’d have gotten something better than Kelly Jennings for him. I mean, even if you only get a 6th or a 7th back from him, you get that and Kelly Jennings via that route. Or if he’s not worth a pick yet, heck, keep him. You still get Kelly Jennings in that scenario.

"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)

by Johnny Slick on Aug 31, 2011 8:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Bengals are desperate for a cb who can stat on the field for three downs.

They thought Jonathan Joseph was a done deal, and didn’t really try to get a quality replacement in the draft, then he bolted for a better team in free agency. Then an injury left them even thinner at cb. much like the Ravens last year were desperate for cornerbacks late in camp.

by Harvey Manfrengenson on Aug 31, 2011 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Or just maybe Jennings

is thought of higher than most hawk fans feel about him. Maybe they saw how greta he shadows guys when used in the right way?

Respect goes a long way....

by Mangolover on Aug 31, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's still somewhat mysterious to me, as well.

Maybe it really is a matter of questionable fit, volume and great CB need. I want to see him with my own eyes playing crappy NFC West ball first.

Head of catering.

by jacobstevens on Aug 31, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Because he's a talented, but fringe player

Not even guaranteed to make our roster. Let’s keep some realism in here.

Formerly Known As Vasilii

by Thomas Beekers on Aug 31, 2011 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

What, does this mean no Terrill?

No Terrill, no Jennings…awesome trade.
I love the report on him.
“Extremely high motor”. Exactly the guy OL want to face in the 3rd and 4th quarter.

by vertigoman on Aug 31, 2011 8:29 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

I dunno. How much more upside?

I’m excited about McDonald. In large part because of a perennial lack of interior pressure. If his skillset amounts to a situational & rotational interior rusher who can defend the run a little but will never be an anchor there, then Craig Terrill’s career is probably on the very high end of what we hope he’ll amount to. A fairly consistent amount of pressure, some play-making ability in sacks, fumbles, blocked passes & blocked kicks — the latter three of which Terrill produced an unusually high number of.

It was kind of frustrating for Terrill to keep sticking around, and other intriguing tackle prospects didn’t. Part of that problem — and hence, part of the best solution — lay in the lack of consistent pass rush ability from the established, keeper tackles in the rotation. If more of them developed into complete DTs like Rocky Bernard, rather than being remarkable in one way and adequate in the other, we probably wouldn’t have needed Terrill and we wouldn’t have built up this disdain for him.

But if you want the best out of Clint McDonald, realistically you hope he can come close to duplicating what Craig Terrill gave us.

Head of catering.

by jacobstevens on Aug 31, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

It makes me think of Clemons last year

A guy that didn’t do much before we got him, but when put in the right scenario he really shined.
I can’t wait to see passing downs with Clemons, McDonald, Mebane and Red. This plan might actually work.

by stufr on Aug 31, 2011 8:37 AM PDT reply actions  

Preferably

Wouldn’t Brock, bane, McDonald, and Clemons be the best 3rd down lineup? I love big red, but a guy that is little quicker like Brock would be better for te situation. Clemons and Brock had 20 sacks together last season i think.

by Savage Seahawk fan on Aug 31, 2011 8:45 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Like this

But replacing Curry with McDonald.

Formerly Known As Vasilii

by Thomas Beekers on Aug 31, 2011 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I'd buy that

I am really optimistic about this, but I am a Husky, Mariners and Seahawks fan.

by stufr on Aug 31, 2011 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sigh...

I miss Babs, Herring, Tats, Milloy, and Lewis… Problem with the NFL and Carroll’s teams in particular is just as you get all attached to these guys they usually leave.

"It was a dream come true to be the quarterback in Seattle; Bigger and better than anything I could have dreamed of." -Matthew Hasselbeck

by Cheddar28 on Aug 31, 2011 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm irrationally optimistic about McDonald

Maybe it’s because I’ve been beating the drum of getting a pass rushing 3T for a while and I want that opinion to be validated, but I really like everything I’ve read about this guy. There’s certainly a place on this roster for a someone with his skillset, I hope he makes the most of it.

by creid on Aug 31, 2011 8:42 AM PDT reply actions  

Scout speak

Can someone define “motor” for me?

by jhmg16 on Aug 31, 2011 8:52 AM PDT reply actions  

A motor or "high motor" player is a relentless player

Who drives throughout the play with a fairly consistent effort, even if they are seemingly out of the play. It’s essentially the same thing as “play to the whistle”, as far as I know.

Formerly Known As Vasilii

by Thomas Beekers on Aug 31, 2011 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks TB

One of those things I’d expect from any professional athlete, but I guess if you stand out in that area compared to a thousand other professional athletes, that can’t be a bad thing.

by jhmg16 on Aug 31, 2011 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's expected but one can still stand out in it

Aaron Curry is a good example of a high-motor player, too be he’s often high-motoring in the wrong direction.

Formerly Known As Vasilii

by Thomas Beekers on Aug 31, 2011 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Yes and sometimes -- but certainly not always -- motor can be a left-handed compliment.

Sometimes players stand out in motor partially by virtue of lacking in standing out in other ways, like burst, power, awareness or speed.

Head of catering.

by jacobstevens on Aug 31, 2011 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yip

Branch looked like a high-motor pass-rusher to me, in flashes. Working hard, lots of effort, but no pass-rushing moves, not winning leverage, not bulling through.

Formerly Known As Vasilii

by Thomas Beekers on Aug 31, 2011 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

I remember seeing that a few times last year and being in awe while cringing

There’s Curry, charging towards the left side of the line, determined, about to blow someone up. oop, there goes the running back running off the right side. And the two ships pass in the night.

by B.B.Finnegan on Aug 31, 2011 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Gus Bradley already tried that technique..

He also tried using a laser pointer and a ball of yarn to train Curry.

(did we just find our new favorite punching bag?)

by goatweed on Aug 31, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's short for "internal combustion engine".

Your car probably has one.

"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)

by Johnny Slick on Aug 31, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree on the Terril comparison.

At best, a good role player, but one I hope we don’t have to rely on as a starter.

by Highwatermark on Aug 31, 2011 11:33 AM PDT reply actions  

His punch looks stronger than Terrill's to me

“Motor” also refers to consistent effort from play to play, as well as effort during a given play. High motor players don’t take plays off.

by Hawkdawg on Aug 31, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can we please use that term more often?

As in, “Due to Golden Tate’s recently acquired fringy-ness, Carroll may have to throw away a 2nd-round pick.”

"It was a dream come true to be the quarterback in Seattle; Bigger and better than anything I could have dreamed of." -Matthew Hasselbeck

by Cheddar28 on Aug 31, 2011 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

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