Seattle Seahawks Training Camp Notes Part IV
In my last piece detailing Tuesday's training camp practice, I talked a lot about the defense so I thought I'd add some of my notes about what the offense was doing.
First of all, as many other bloggers/writers have noted, the Seahawks quarterback position is a little concerning. Charlie Whitehurst hasn't been overly impressive (read: not impressive) and Josh Portis is exceedingly raw as a passer and decision maker. Portis has impressed me enough to think that he may have a chance of sticking, at least on the practice squad, and he could be one of those diamond in the rough guys down the road.
But for now, we should concentrate more on Charlie. He made a few good throws for touchdowns, including a nice pass to a seam-route-running John Carlson for a touchdown to end the day. Before that though, he was a bit erratic. He made a nice touchdown throw on one play and then got picked off in the back of the endzone by Kam Chancellor on another. He checked down quite a bit -- whether that's by design to get the running backs into the action or just because he didn't see anything open, I don't know.
One thing that I liked, that probably a lot of other people might not like, is that he didn't show a fear of throwing the ball away. He threw two balls deep out of play instead of forcing a ball into traffic, and to me this is a good sign. You'd love to see him throw a TD pass every down (because they're practicing plays from the 15 yard line), but in reality that's not going to happen with anyone. It's good that he can recognize it's not there, and instead of trying to force it, just throw it out of bounds and live to see another down.
Now, that's the eternal optimist in me talking, but I'd add I did point out that he hasn't impressed (though only threw one interception on the day). It will be interesting to see how Charlie reacts when Tarvaris Jackson takes the field today and he isn't running with the first team anymore, but I'm hoping to see him take it in stride and pick up his game.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: the tight end group on this team looks very, very good. And Zach Miller hasn't even gotten here yet. Cameron Morrah has been sitting out, but the combination of John Carlson, Anthony McCoy, Dominique Byrd, and even UDFA rookie Ryan Travis have been making plays for the offense.
Chatting with Doug Farrar at camp, he pointed out that Darrell Bevell liked to run a lot of sets last season with a tight end in-line and another lined up in the backfield as either an H-back/fullback or set just off the line as a wing-back type role. Don't be surprised to see this type of thing utilized by the Seahawks a lot in 2011, and like I said before, I could see them keeping a TE or two more this season than last (4 last year). With the lack of vigor they've taken to signing a free agent fullback outside of Michael Robinson, this theory gains strength.
The wide receivers have also looked very good. Doug Baldwin in particular has looked the part as a slot receiver and has caught everything that comes his way. Judging on how many snaps he's getting and the success he's had, he could be a real option to make the 53 man roster. In front of him are Sidney Rice, Mike Williams, Ben Obomanu, Golden Tate, and Kris Durham, presumably. I think that Deon Butler will be placed on the PUP and Ricardo Lockette, Isaiah Stanback, and Dominique Edison will be fighting for a spot on the roster as well.
It seems like Patrick Williams and Cris Carter are getting the least amount of looks, which doesn't bode well for their chances.
The trio of running backs in Marshawn Lynch, Justin Forsett, and Leon Washington have looked great. Michael Robinson will take the field today presumably so it will be fun to see where they put him. The new UDFA signing Chase Reynolds will be of interest, though he's most likely just a camp body. Dorson Boyce is still in the mix, but will probably lose snaps now that MikeRob is back.
As for the offensive line -- I'll try to take a better look there but to be quite honest it's pretty difficult to judge from afar when they're not in full contact mode. Just watching the second and third team units work though, I have seen some impressive work by Breno Giacomini and he certainly looks the part as a big, tall right tackle. Uses his hands well, looks very mobile for his size. He could turn out to be good depth.
Overall I think the line is in decent shape when you compare it to last season. Obviously you have your presumptive starters, but you also have Mike Gibson, a guy that can and did start at right guard but can also slide over to center in a pinch. You've got Paul Fanaika, who, according to rumblings, could challenge Moffitt for his starting job at least to start the season. You've got Tyler Polumbus, an excellent back-up that can come in and start at guard or even left tackle if need be and it wouldn't scare the crap out of me if he did.
Anyway, those are my thoughts for the moment. I'll try and not get too jacked up and pumped up by all the Navy Blue Angel VMAC fly-bys today and actually pay attention to what's going on. I'll be tweeting a little but I'll also be sitting with and or in the vacinity of 30AcreFortress, Hawkblogger, and DavisHsuSeattle so give them a follow for updates as well.
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Has anyone seen or said anything about Unger?
God I’m worried about Unger.
Always up for some Twitter action @nandron. I only talk NW sports, though.
You are really worried about him arent you? I can tell. You seem stressed.
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Yep. And he was away from football and training for over a year due to injury and lockout.
I really do think he’s going to suck =/
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I'll try and look but it's tough to gauge in practice. You know.
Think it’ll be a trial by fire type of situation.
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We'll find out
durin Preseason. I wasnt happy they let Chris go. You cant ask a center to do much more than he did when he was here
by dankfranks on Aug 4, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agree. I was hoping we'd re-sign him.
Unger is such a risk. I really do LIKE Unger, too. Just hope he can develop NFL-strength.
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Centers
Don’t have to be as strong as Kruetz, but it helps.
Hopefully the center in this offense is more of a type like Birk, who wasn’t the strongest guy in the world either.
Guards seem to be the main point of attack on mammoth DTs and Noseguards, so hopefully he’s going to be the “chip” guy.
Spencer was a terrible guard, but a decent center. Hopefully Unger is the same way. Terrible guard, but above average with hands on his butt.
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Don't be surprised if in the long run
we end up with a new right guard and Moffit at center.
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by hazbro24 on Aug 4, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rosters aren't infinite
Keeping 6 receivers and 5 tight ends is a big no go. At most, we have 10 slots to spread over there, with Morrah being a kind of swing guy between TE and receiver (hell, that’s how he was used anyway), I can see us go 6 WR and 4 TE, but even that’s pushing it (we went 5 WR 4 TE at the start of last year unless I’m mistaken). 11 on those spots? Only if we drop the FB position entirely :P
PUP is a pain in the ass too. If he comes back healthy he can victimize someone else’s spot. Really more of a bandaid unless you just PUP him all year.
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This might be just more of the "new guys are new... and exciting and shiny" thing...
But how safe is Ben Obomanu’s spot?
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No spot is safe under PC
But I’d be very surprised if he doesn’t make it onto the 53-man roster
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 4, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Especially with what Obo adds on special teams.
It’ll be interesting to see if that has as much influence on their roster decisions as it seemed to last year.
Yeah he's still at least the 3rd best receiver and at least 4th best pass catcher including TEs.
Head of catering.
by jacobstevens on Aug 4, 2011 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Besides the PUP list till week 6 max
Im thinkin Butler is as good as gone.
He could hang around on PUP, including the buffer post week 6
Just in case someone else suffers an injury. Dirty business, but it’s how it’s run
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 4, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
And, they just signed him to a three-year deal (I think).
Honestly, he’s one of the most underrated players on the team.
Here's how I see it panning out..
TE:
Miller
Carlson…Need a moment to gauge how awesome this do is.
Morrah
McCoy
WR:
Rice
Williams
Obomanu
Tate
Durham
Lockette
Baldwin – PS
Butler – PUP
So, 4 TE’s, 6 WR’s on the final 53. Whatchuthinkaboutthat?
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by JerryNice on Aug 4, 2011 11:54 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
*duo - Damn auto-spell
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by JerryNice on Aug 4, 2011 11:55 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Also..
Baldwin and Lockette could be interchangeable. All depends on preseason.
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by JerryNice on Aug 4, 2011 11:57 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
It seem like Baldwin would be a heada Lockette
But overall looks pretty good. Woulnta been able to predict havin so many weapons back in 2009. Of course a couple ar question marks
by dankfranks on Aug 4, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Baldwin got 16 offers
He wouldn’t make it to the practice squad. That’s the rub.
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Insert oligatory "We shouldn't have got rid of Josh Wilson" thread and subsequent argument thread here.
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Could replace Wilson in a pinch, right?
Higher vert too by about 8 inches.
Wouldn’t want to see him return kicks though.
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Charlie Whitehurst.
As I began to read your thoughts on Whitehurst, my first thoughts were “What did PC and JS see in Whitehurst when they decided they had to go get him and where did they see it?” These guys seem smart enough to know that the QB position is more than just about having the right size, strength, agility, etc. And most everything I’ve seen him do in games has been “What or who are you throwing it too dude?” Sounds like that still hasn’t changed, but its really early and there’s been a long layoff, though he was practicing during the lockout.
Then I read what you said about him making a few good decisions and I started to think about Matty. His main issue from what I remember when he first came to the Hawks was his sometimes horrible decision-making. He had the tools and accuracy, but all you had to do to beat him was fluster him and he’d make a stupid decision. He tried to be Favre on the fly and Favre was so unique in making that work. Then in 2005 he started making incredible audibles at the line, he made very few mistakes, he didn’t get flustered, and he threw the ball away, even if it was 3rd down, rather than try to force it.
Maybe in one regard CW is progressing faster than Matty did, but obviously he’s still a ways away. If he can figure out how to get the ball to an intended target, that would be a huge first step.
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If you thought we had a QB controversy brewing here....
Check out how far it’s devolved on the Mile high report.
It’s come down to this:

Miss Cleo is pullin’ for Tebow.
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Reading the Tebow thread at MHR
has been a joy. Classic case of lots of fans valuing potential far too much and consistency not enough.
It is really funny, but not surprising.
We’d have the same situation here given the circumstances.
People are always looking for the big saviour (COUGH Luck COUGH).
Someone give the Redskins a QB, please!
Eddie Izzard ran 43 marathons in 51 days with 5 weeks of training. What's stopping you?
Keep the joy going!
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Jeff Reed’s recent signing gives Seattle more players who scored points against them in that Super Bowl than players who scored points for them.
Ouch.
6 years is a long time, especially in the NFL.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Aug 4, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Something gives me a really good feeling about this regime...
When we hired Mora and Knapp, I knew what we were getting.
PC and JS are great football minds, and I see a lot of wins in our future. Once that QBOTF gets inboard with those weapons, we will be a threat.
Oh, and I’d rather have Cotou. Steeler and 9er? My teri most hatred teams.
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by JerryNice on Aug 4, 2011 12:02 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Shit, again - *onboard
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by JerryNice on Aug 4, 2011 12:02 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Wow - *two
Really need to look at these before posting.
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by JerryNice on Aug 4, 2011 12:03 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Hope we win this one!
John Boyle
The agent for Jordan Babineaux, @JRRickert, says the safety will soon choose between the Seahawks and Titans
(off-topic and just posted it in the wrong thread, woopsie)
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 4, 2011 12:02 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Itd be nice to have him back...to possibly cancel out the
jennings signing. haha.
by Bruiser89171 on Aug 4, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
It looks like Babs or LeGree for the nickle role..
Kind of want to see what the kid can do. Babs is great in the bandit and a true team guy, so it wouldn’t hurt. He better come cheap though.
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by JerryNice on Aug 4, 2011 12:06 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
He's going to the Titans
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 4, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Is someone at FG going to give us a detailed writeup of Bevell's offense?
I guess it would primarily have to be based on his previous work, but maybe also on what is seen at camp this year.
Then again, we’ll be seeing it on the field pretty soon.
I'm writing up another story now
But will then take a look at some of the 2008 and 2010 Bevell offense. Skipping the Favre years. I might have some notes, but nothing as insightful as what JM did last year for Bates, obviously.
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 4, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Randy Moss sighting in Indy... I knew he would not stay retired.
Yes I have a beer in my hand... and I'm ready to watch the Hawks smash the 49ers in week 1.
Just a rumor
Yes I have a beer in my hand... and I'm ready to watch the Hawks smash the 49ers in week 1.
Bahahaha silly 49ers
Via @AdamSchefter:
49ers sent out a mass email this afternoon to teams around the league to try and trade safety Taylor Mays.
Anybody that can bring that much wood at that speed is worth considering.
Interesting to see where he ends up.
I think I know enough of hate/ To say that for destruction Rice/ Is also great/ And would suffice.
I can bring that much wood.
Just not that quickly…
Eddie Izzard ran 43 marathons in 51 days with 5 weeks of training. What's stopping you?
Just play safe and wear a helmet.
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by shams on Aug 4, 2011 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
i wouldnt mind having him, hes got good
size and hes quick
6’3 and ran a 4.4
by Bruiser89171 on Aug 4, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
They will get a 7th for him... I love how the 49ers are having a crappy off season!
Yes I have a beer in my hand... and I'm ready to watch the Hawks smash the 49ers in week 1.
it's effective for what he wants to do - stockpile picks for next year's draft and
clear out cap space to do a complete roster rebuild. looks like Harbaugh os pulling a Carroll and gets his own players top to bottom, but he arguable is being more effective. The new rookie cap structure actually helps out teams at the top of the draft, or rather doesn’t penalize them like the old system.
Smashmouth is the new sexy!
by pqlqi on Aug 4, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wonder who the Raiders are gonna dump to get under the cap
theyve got 24 hours to do so and about 16 million to dump.
I read on Twitter today that R. Seymor(sp?) was going to restructure his contract
Or that they were talking about him doing that.
I’m sure they could trim some $$ just from his contract.
So they sign Seymour to a huge deal for a DE on the wrong side of 30...
and then they immediately restructure the deal.
Keep it up, Al Davis.
re: Taylor Mays
I think Taylor Mays might fit for the Seahawks as a Will linebacker.
See Danny Kelly’s write up on Caroll’s 4-3 under defense,
For linebackers: http://www.fieldgulls.com/2011/7/12/2266929/seahawks-4-3-pete-carroll-tatupu-hawthore-aaron-curry
As opposed to safeties: http://www.fieldgulls.com/2011/6/27/2231133/seahawks-4-3-under-player-types-safeties
Note Pete’s explaination of the linbacker roles:
"The Mike linebacker is a traditional middle linebacker. He is instinctive and makes a lot of calls for the defense. He may be the guy with the most experience or the best feel for the game.
The Will linebacker can be a smaller player. He is generally protected in the defensive schemes and will not see as many blocks. All you want him to do most plays is flow and chase the football. We want our fastest linebacker at this position.
The Sam linebacker has to be a good containment player. He has to be big and strong enough to play on the edge of the tight end. He has to be able to run in pass coverage also."
At 6’3", 230lbs., 4.3 40 speed, but not the best coverage instincts, Mays may be a better fit at Will for the Seahawk’s defense.

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